Forum Post: Should We Reinstate the Draft.....Yes
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 31, 2011, 3:19 p.m. EST by puff6962
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A military draft should be reinstated, one that would require equal numbers of draftees from each 10 percent increments of income levels in our population. This would provide a military that is representative of each cross section of our population. It would mean, however, that those who came from families in the upper 20% ranges would more likely be asked to serve. I think that this stipulation, alone, would place a damper on any more foolish wars (I could be wrong). But, the powerful don't usually like to send their kids off to war. Also, it would revive some semblance of service and shared sacrifice to our country. It's simply disgusting that many GI's have went through 14 deployments in Iraq or Afghanistan, or have been "stopped out." This is a forgotten army....it has served admirably....but this can simply never be allowed to happen again.
What a stupid idea. Firstly the illegal wars where these people are sent to their deaths, then making their part mandatory? How stupid. A government does not own it's citizens.
That is the point. If there was a shared sacrifice on the part of all classes of Americans, then there would unlikely be any more illegal wars. Don't mistake your own stupidity for the fallacy of an argument.
Well at least we agree the wars are illegal, but answer this, does a government own it's people?
its hard to believe anybody would be insane enough to propose a draft in this information economy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA
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High unemployment keeps a ready supply of cannon fodder available. A draft would put an immediate end to all wars.
This is the real lesson of Vietnam, and why there is no draft. That, and not to publicize the war(s) and body counts on television every night.
"High unemployment keeps a ready supply of cannon fodder available"
You don't know what the HELL you are talking about.
I appreciate that your son is serving this country, but I suggest that he would be better serving it by not participating in actions designed solely to benefit corporate interests at public expense. I also suggest that if you wish to argue against a point of view, that you do so with logic, reason and information rather than emotion.
We went to war in Iraq because of daddy issues. Saddam had attempted to kill George the first when he was on a good will trip to post war Kuwait. George the second did not forget this.
It is very Freudian, but the man even admitted it once....once.
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-27/politics/bush.war.talk_1_homeland-security-senators-from-both-parties-republican-phil-gramm?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS
Iraq has the world's 2nd or 3rd largest oil reserves. Bush II went after that and profits for the military industrial complex, energy companies and financial institutions such as The Carlyle Group (H.W. Bush's defense and energy investment firm, in partnership with the Saudis), as directed by Halliburton CEO and acting president Cheney.
Oh, ya, that one too. Daddy issues, greed, incompetence.....your average neocon.
The military doesn't want or need people who have to be legislated into service.
machine machine will scrub them clean
The military doesn't run foreign or domestic policy, nor does it really have any interest in what is best for our society. The military's role is to defend this country. They have done just fine with a draft in the past.
And, most importantly, do you really believe that we would have entered into Iraq if 20% of the ground soldiers came from the upper 20% crust of our socioeconomic caste?
A draft means that our military is not outsourced to a group of professionals, captive professionals, and the burden is distributed. With a draft, there would have been a ground swell of opposition to the war in Iraq from all classes. Without it, this forgotten army has been left to wither on the vine.
No one here in our family has forgotten the army. Sorry if that is not the case in yours.
Ya, right. How many closed head wounds, that will require a lifetime of care, have come out of Iraq? Don't google it asshole, just realize that if you really cared for these guys, you would have been screaming on the doorsteps of your congressman's office to prevent this most stupid and disastrous war in American history. Pissant.
Pissant?
I'm sorry, but you are speaking to a military mom here whose only son left LAST NIGHT for his third tour of duty.
Do not presume to suggest that I have to "Google" ANYTHING for information on what these wars have cost.
I am done.
Then, as much as you care for your son, you should see the logic of requiring shared sacrifice by all spectrums in our society instead of some esoteric argument that the military won't take draftees.
PolkaDot may be too much of a lady so I'll say it for her
Fuck you you little shit.
Ya. Where were you in 2003 when every honest voice was saying that Bush was a liar and we were being led into a disaster. Those deaths, those lives ruined, lay in your incompetence, your lack of true patriotism, your naivety, and your desire to run with the crowd. You truly messed up. The sad thing is that you will make the same mistake over and over again.
Yeah. Way to screw the morale of the military.
I would prefer that everybody served, with the exception of those who receive a qualified medical deferral (the 1%ers?), in either a two year military or civil capacity... might help reduce unemployment.
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Glenn, is that you?
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Na, your blackboard gave you away.
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