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Forum Post: Our New Wiki

Posted 3 years ago on Oct. 25, 2011, 10:12 p.m. EST by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA
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http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Orientation_%2B_Introduction_to_this_Wiki

Orientation + Introduction to this Wiki

Hello and welcome to this Wiki. This Wiki Exists for the express purpose of facilitating a paradigm shift centered revolution.

There is an Information Economy That underlies the physical Economy, and that simple fact should allow us to take all and change all if we can get lucid and dense and factual and evolutionary with our information.

Information Quality Information Density

The Current core problem of all problems is ignorance. If 51 percent of the population knew one tenth of what I know, the revolution would be over by tomorrow morning. The solutions to our problems are not in any ism, not in any ideology, not in any popular ideology centered paradigm. The solutions to our problems do exist however in assorted textbooks, which the masses have been con scammed into believing they are too stupid to read or understand.

Sociology, Game Theory, Systems Theory ...absolutely transcend the modern dumble down politic body conversation, which is based entirely on lies and disinformation. Formal conversational Logic gives us the tools to analyze any paradigm or set of ideas and find the real truth value. And political science gives us the tools to understand that we do not live in a capitalist society or even in a democracy, but in a patent corporate oligarchy descended from feudalism.

The power of the truth is the only thing that can realistically set us free. Join us then, in working on those problems open source, using direct democracy, science centered research and problem solving process, and truth and reason.


http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ

http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw

http://www.opensecrets.org/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/


I believe that my FB credentials speak to the issue of whether or not i can be trusted.

i am john bassist on FB and i have been fighting the corporate oligarchy since long before OWS... leaving a very clear trail as i do so.

please join us on the wiki. This forum is too much noise and not enough signal, and without serious organization this movement will fail.

its already falling apart from lack of organization and splintering and fracturing into sub groups. We must ge organized. this is how.

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[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

Well, that is why I am here - but you won't sell truth to people telling them that if you knew one tenth of what I know . . . .

That isn't how you empower someone else. That's cutting them down to build yourself up, and fairly effective at hurting someone's feelings.

Usually it's ego driven, but I'll stop there.

It begins within each of us, committed to empowering each other. From there anything is possible.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

you can experience that as an ego trip or as a simple truth. I see it as an invitation to get clued up. Knowledge is not exclusive, anyone can open the textbooks. The question is whether or not people will take the time. I'm not cutting anyone down, and i'm not propping me up. I'm stating a simple fact, a fact to bear in mind, like so many other simple facts. Knowledge is power. Get you some. If you don't find that "empowering" its because you are reflexively interpreting it from the dumble down meta program.

Oh yeah, i understand. its the NERDS. the GEEKS. the EGG HEADS which are the bane of JOCK and HIP society. Knowledge is for those who have the time, not for the popular kids, not for the streetwise, and not for the anarchists and revolutionaries, right? its simple, just stick it to the man and everything will be alright?

I know the pattern. I am sick and tired of the double bind, and I'm not playing any more. I have a 180 IQ and 20 phds of autodidactic knowledge and if you or anybody else finds that offensive or over the top... TUFF TITTY.

I didn't spend ten years of my life speed reading textbook after textbook just to be spat on by the ignorant. I didn't do it to knock them down or puff myself up. I did it to serve humanity and to SAVE the humans.

if that doesn't vibe with you, then your vibe is off. I will not be boxed in by dumble down. I will not be bullied into playing stupid. I will not feign ignorance just to make the intentionally ignorant and opinionated more comfortable.

deal.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

I can deal - and if you have skills that is excellent. we need skills.

I often get impatient, especially with deregulationist philosophy or anything that looks like it. It hasn't worked, it won't work, and in fact has been killing the people of the Nigerian Delta since the mid 1950s.

The less I talk down to people, the more likely it is they will listen, and get it. We don't need a massive book reading today - books are great but we have serious issues to confront, and an agitated public who is ready to confront them, all that needs happen is to demonstrate what, why and how.

Signal to noise ratios - we are creating our own signal. It is heard by us and by them. It must do two things at once.

Draw more support from average Joe - be he intellectual or the best at track.

Cause fear and anxiety among the opposition.

[-] 2 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

It's kind of funny how almost all of the edits to that wiki have been made by the same person.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 3 years ago

have to start somewhere. you're a web designer and you don't understand that blank pages don't retain visitors?

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

Does this really seem like successful, influential use of a wiki?

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 3 years ago

not really lol

[-] 1 points by joe100 (306) 3 years ago

And my patent, worth $15 billion a year, is the center of it all. You have intelligence and experience and knowhow - like me. But getting this people together to do something - well seems impossible.

http://www.oneredpill.com

http://www.guardloan.com/content/WritOfCertiorari.pdf

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

"This account is upgrading its system software. Our systems use bank certified databases, and after ten years of never being down for more than an hour or two, our advanced sites will be down for several days. But the upgrades are needed. Sorry for the inconvenience, check back about next week"

please put all your materials on the wiki?

very interesting... patent theft by megacorps against people they like to call patent trolls is a BIG PROBLEM...

[-] 1 points by joe100 (306) 3 years ago

i am not a patent troll. In this country people who make inventions are supposed to get paid. Authors are supposed to get paid for their works. Artists are supposed to get paid for theirs. The last thing I am is a patent troll.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

i understand. thats what they call you to steal your patents.

[-] 1 points by DoodlesWeaver (64) 3 years ago

I've seen the Wiki. It sucks.

It doesn't help this movement at all.

[-] 1 points by stuartchase (861) 3 years ago

Here's where the organization is. The KTC is all business. See for yourself!

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/make-a-stand-join-the-clan/

The Revolution starts here!

[-] 1 points by SmartAlx (59) 3 years ago

I have to disagree that Wikipedia is all junk. Some of it is, sure. Like try to find Tax Honesty, it redirects to Tax Protestor, a negative spin on Tax Honesty. Try to change anything and corporate strongmen will change it back and warn you not to change it back.

But in terms of science, it can be better and more up to date than a printed Encyclopedia. Who writes for the encyclopedia? Individuals. Experts sure. But you usually find only one viewpoint in a printed encyclopedia. There is little review over the printed encyclopedia, but Wikipedia is by its very nature peer reviewed. So in many ways Wikipedia is MORE reliable than a printed encyclopedia. Maybe not with respect to our movement, but in many cases it is.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

in fact wikipedia is run specifically by a right wingnut prick named jimbo wales, for the express purpose of dumble down of our society, and assorted insider trolls who become "arbiters". In fact wikipedia redefined "truth value" anddenied the use of formal logic or meaningful process in order to redefine truth as whatever somebody quoted said. In fact wikpedia as a government and organization is fascist, totalitarian, cult and mob and pack psychology driven. In fact wikipedia is an evil organization.

Telling me about the good that they do on the surface is missing the point.

The ultimate goal of jimbo is not to have humanities knowledge in one place- but to give the appearance of that while slipping any knowledge that is a threat to the status quo into the memory hole.

Jimbo wales is a patently evil sociopath- and his organizations denial of truth value and formal logic are really absolute proofs of this.

[-] 1 points by SmartAlx (59) 3 years ago

Well, I do agree with you about Jimbo.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

i am an aspie polymath with 20 phds of actual hard science information earned from reading thousands of textbooks.

the lies and distortions of wikipedia are egregrious and wikipedia is anti truth, anti knowledge, and anti science.

it only looks good to the uneducated. to anybody else it is right wing propaganda masquerading as an encyclopedia- ESP in the science areas.

[-] 1 points by SmartAlx (59) 3 years ago

Are printed encyclopedias any better?

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

that depends on your criteria.

And which encyclopedia.

I would say generally yes, but not by a wide margin. The question of real value or goodness however should not be about whether they compare to real encyclopedias, but how they would compare to the same effort if it had used formal conversational logic instead of right wing opinion in order to pick and choose what is and is not included.

In short, the only thing that its fair to compare it with is what it could have been if it wasn't vicious and evil.

[-] 1 points by kizmut (0) 3 years ago

Add that to the ever-growing list of wikis based on this movement..

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Network

yep, its good to get the network together like that.

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

Who made this wiki?

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

my fellow occupier, steve, from occupy SB.

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

thanks

[-] 0 points by anonymouse (154) 3 years ago

@ gawdoftruth

Thank you

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

come join in. spread the word. the movement succeeds or fails on this.

[-] 0 points by OccupyDC (153) 3 years ago

The problems with Wiki's is any idiot can type any entry on anything.

A very high percentage of stuff on Wikipedia is false and inaccurate. Schools don't even let students use Wikipedia to research stuff.

What exactly is the purpose of an Occupy Wiki?

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 3 years ago

eventually you have to move to the next level. i think this is a nice addition in the right direction.

[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 3 years ago

So you would rather get indoctrinated with teachings of state control yet you reject info by the people and for the people. Remember history is written by the crooks.If you don't believe that its because you believe their history.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

the people involved can edit it back. i agree wikipedia is garbage. we can get rid of trolls, we can do a lot better than wikipedia.

what can you mean? i have stated the exact purpose. without serious organization of the kind pretty much only a wiki can provide this movement is doomed from lack of organization.

The organizational problems are multitudinous.

The issues people raise, the goals we have, the legal problems, everything. this forum does not provide organization it creates scrawl. nobody can find anything- esp since trolls post thousands of troll threads to keep it all disorganized.

organization is crucial. without it, this movement will fail. in truth is it failing already, its already past the tipping point and will continue to decline unless it gets organized.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 3 years ago

excuse me, i need to bump this.

[-] 2 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

thanks, we need to all of us come together and get organized.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 3 years ago

word.

[-] 0 points by OccupyDC (153) 3 years ago

I definitely agree it is past the tipping point and is failing.

The movement peaked about 2 weeks ago. It's all downhill from now on.

Good Luck with your wiki.