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Forum Post: See you all later

Posted 10 years ago on Dec. 16, 2011, 3:37 p.m. EST by economicsguy (16)
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I predict the OWS movement will begin to fizzle out as smarter supporters leave.

I've tried to engage with people here and discuss/debate issues, but the level of intelligent intellectual response is far too low.

People here would rather embrace some dreamy world view which would never work in reality, demanding free services and/or entitlements (on what grounds I don't know) than deal with facts and try to work out how to make our country, and by extension entire world, better.

Good luck.



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[-] 4 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 10 years ago

I am a "people here" and I have never once embraced free services and / or entitlements. It's not about free stuff. If you have been here several weeks and you don't see anything but that.. I am not sure you ever will.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

Buh-bye. Ciao! Hast la vista! Take care now.

I don't have any idea who you were.

[-] 1 points by RogerDee (411) from Montclair, NJ 10 years ago

I second the Motion. Buh-Bye

[-] 0 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

An intellectual. With good knowledge on a range of subjects, including economics, politics, science, and American history to name a few.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

Same here.

I do not recall reading any of your posts.

[-] -1 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

I haven't posted prolifically, but I've checked in with this forum daily for several weeks. The posts I did make were on threads I consider key sources of discourse about the future of our country, and how we the people might effect positive change.

I frequently receive downvotes, which have nothing to do with anything offensive, but simply because the comment may not fit a certain world view the OWS movement seems to aspiring to. There is no intelligent reply posted, perhaps because there is none available. Thus downvotes become popular.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

Are you quite sure that it is OWS downvoting?

Have you considered starting your own thread outlining some of your ideas?

[-] 0 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

I have, but from the reception I've received for the times I have posted -- and witnessing similar hostility toward others with non-conforming views -- I have no inclination to put forth any further effort here.

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 10 years ago

then why are you responding to all the comments on this thread? That takes effort. Of course it also feeds your need for attention. Get help. Therapy coupled with the right meds, works wonders.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

Ok, see ya later.

[-] 2 points by nograve (23) 10 years ago

Nice narcissism there. Get out. If you're going to be a spoiled brat and take your ball and go home because you disagree with the worldview of others, then you were never part of us in the first place. Whereas you would exclude, we include. Not to mention none of us have ever heard of you, so get over yourself.

[-] -1 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

What you say is exactly the opposite of why I'm leaving. People are excluding ME. They do this by downvoting until my comments are buried. Why would I continue to hang around? Waste of time.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 10 years ago

You are excluding yourself by your own choice, there is a difference. The fact that you made this post suggests you don't want to really leave at all. People down voting you is not an exclusion, although it certainly does mean they don't like what you have to say. But it is a two way street. If you don't like my comment, for example, you can dislike it. I won't take it personally, heck, sometimes I don't even agree with myself. How is discussing important issues a waste of time?

[-] 2 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

That's just it. Discussing important issues is key and not a waste of time.

But that's not what I'm finding here. Only downvotes, never intelligent replies, to the point my comments are buried and never seen. That's not discussion.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 10 years ago

I see your point, but let's be realistic, the voting system does not interfere with any discussion - only the viewable results. It's not like you are being personally discriminated against, there are plenty of other people who get comments collapsed. I can't really comment on intelligent replies, because that is subjective on the part of the reader.

This may be a silly suggestion, but try asking people not to down vote you and see if it makes any difference. Sure, some people may ignore it your request, but not everybody on here is that rude. Beyond that friendly gesture, there is nothing I can really do to help you out.

Disclaimer: I am sincere & genuine on having real discussions. Please don't down vote.

[-] 1 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

I take time to make thoughtful posts in hopes others might see and learn something, or possibly share something educational with me. That's the opportunity good discourse and debate provides.

Unfortunately, it's a numbers game to achieve visibly profitable intellectual debate. I've been here long enough to see the numbers are stacked against me in this regard. And I think, by extension, the future health of the OWS movement.

Truthfully, it's not just the downvoting. Some of the ideas I've seen prevail here don't lead me to believe I'm wrong in my conclusion.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 10 years ago

Well, have it your way. Good luck.

[-] -1 points by RogerDee (411) from Montclair, NJ 10 years ago

I love self fulfilling prophecies, Dude you are awesome.

Now get out.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 10 years ago

I'm an intellectual with good knowledge on a range of subjects including economics, politics, and a little bit of science and good knowledge of history in corruption since the 1950's. I've had zero problems conversing with people.

[-] 0 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

Then it's likely your views conform to what many involved in OWS want to hear, even if those views have no chance of working in America, like communism or socialism for example, not that I'm saying those are your views.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 10 years ago

Not really. I just disagree with a few issues and realize they share enough of my ideals that it's better to be with a group fighting for rights than on your own. I agree with enough of the main issues, getting money out of politics, I'm firmly against bailing out a banking system that is taking people's homes, I'm sick of Wall Street banks and finance institutions creating inflation and extracting wealth from our country. I'm against government corruption and I'm sick of the Obama administration and the republican opposition that let all this shit happen because their profiting from it too. I do wish OWS would also take a huge anti-war step as well.

[-] 1 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

I feel the same way about every position you just listed.

Thankfully, though, I'm not on my own by abandoning OWS.

[-] 2 points by Occupyoneer (52) 10 years ago

Well you're right, there is a process going on here. I hope you're not right about where it's all leading. I can't yet speak about my own experience on this particular forum (having just got here) but I can say how I agree with you that realistic possibilities are preferable to pipe dreams. We've all been a bit shaken up by what's been happening this past decade, and maybe we just need a moment or two to let some of the sediment settle before the water becomes clearer. I'm sure that your discussions have been contributing not only to their participants, but also to readers at large, just as this one made a difference to me.

[-] 2 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

Thanks for the intelligent reply.

At least you seem to have an open mind. Hang around a while and I think you'll see what I mean.

[-] 2 points by SoldOut (150) 10 years ago

We are not fit to be in your company, you would be a lot happier on a site that agrees with everything you say. (sarcasm) – that’s for the OWS people I know you would get it (sarcasm again)

By the way before you go could you give me the links that support the condemnation of this site?

If that is a task that is beneath your dignity I will understand

[-] 1 points by SoldOut (150) 10 years ago

((((You wrote------You do realize America was originally set up as a libertarian society, don't you? And that led to us becoming the most prosperous country the world has ever seen. EDIT: for those downvoting this comment, please state how it's wrong...)))

That’s it. You post this shallow unsupported opinion and you talk down on others. Read some of the other post that state facts. You have no right to portend that you are intellectually on higher ground than 99% of the people on this site. The anti-OWSers and imposters do better than that.

Your problem is that you can’t run with the big dogs so you whine and pretend they are beneath your dignity!

[-] 1 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

A shallow and unsupported opinion???

You're saying America was NOT set up to provide civil liberty? And did NOT become the most prosperous nation on earth?

[-] 1 points by SoldOut (150) 10 years ago

I am saying that it was not as you say. A lot more than a (Libertarian society) made America great. It evolved over 235 five years. I don’t think our best times were as the Libertarian like Society that we may have started out like. (My opinion). Please prove me wrong with the facts.

[-] 1 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

As you say America is only 235 years old. There are many countries much older, as well as younger. Yet, it's uniquely America that has had the freest society, and it's uniquely America that has been the most prosperous.

What other conclusion can be drawn other than freedom produces prosperity I don't know. You would have to enlighten me.

[-] 1 points by SoldOut (150) 10 years ago

The answer is not the simple. I agree that freedom is and was a big factor. Natural resources would have to be the biggest factor in my mind.

You can be free and have no rules and live in poverty with no natural resources

North Korea and Japan are both examples of modern day successful economies that weren't so free or Libertarian and had rapid growth since about 1948. They achieved in that short time we and England achieved in 200-300 years

[-] 1 points by Occupyoneer (52) 10 years ago

I don't have the expertise in economic theory that you do, but I've seen experiments with mice that suggest that we have to be careful when assuming that two phenomena which may appear concurrent to us are actually in the cause and effect relationship that we think they are. Another possibility that comes to mind is that certain systems may have a positive swing until the resources that sustain them are depleted. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that I don't know if you're right. If everyone hasn't come to the same simple understanding as everyone else, it's probably because it's not that simple.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 10 years ago

,good riddance if you think ows has anything to do with poor people,good riddance. its about corruption destroying this society. nothing more.

[-] 1 points by economicsguy (16) 10 years ago

I don't think it fits America economically.

[-] 1 points by Matthias (1056) 10 years ago

What must change that it fits America?

[-] 1 points by dawnofthededad (1) 10 years ago

Yourself and the people you describe are back in their mom's basements, playing video games on the internet until the next big free food, sex and drugs party.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 10 years ago