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Forum Post: Russia's Annexation of Crimea

Posted 4 years ago on Jan. 2, 2017, 10:43 a.m. EST by grapes (5232)
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"Re. Crimea .. you are joking, right? Crimea was & is historically Russian for centuries before Krushchev attached it to Ukraine in the 50's. Please do NOT tell me, that after Ukraine decided it would throw in its lot w/Western Gangster Crapitalism after Extreme RW Nationalism was unleashed (cf. Stepan Bandera) that Russia was NOT going to become very concerned about a Russian majority Crimea ..which .. & get this next bit very clearly grapes ... had its historical Black Sea Fleet HQ and ONLY year round, ice free, warm water port in Sebastopol! The open referendum that Crimea had to stay with Russia, did not need to be gerrymandered and it was obvious what was going to happen after that Neocon Witch Victoria Nuland started shit going in Ukraine."

from: http://occupywallst.org/forum/us-policy-to-israel-palestine-must-change-by-by-ji/#comment-1072417

Was Russia's annexation of Crimea justified?



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[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Does anyone see a connection between Russia's annexation of Crimea and destabilization of East Ukraine ignoring the Budapest Agreements, to which Russia was a signatory and guarantor, that had de-nuclearized Ukraine, and present-day DPRK's refusal to complete de-nuclearizing the Korean penninsula?

Russia taught the lesson that de-nuclearization invited Russian aggressions.

The message of the starry-eyed "flower" child(of "the sun[on Earth] rose in my eyes") is clear: join NATO for security against Russian aggressions or gain nuclear weapons. DPRK is justified in owning nuclear weapons. So is Japan(Kim Il Sun protected the Land of the Rising Sun from being starved, by starting the Korean Conflict), due to the Kuriles, replacing U.K. which is moving to take over Japan's place in East Asia(to trade easier).

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

do you see a connection between the expansion of nato - which was promised not to happen - and russian insecurity.

do you think our government is stupid or do you think they did this on purpose to fuel the MIC

and unless you are a hard right cold war neo con you would see that it is the west that bears the responsibility for the mess in ukraine. i think i have pointed you in the direction of stephen cohen in the past. did you not understand what he said or just didn't read him

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

your true colors are showing - time to enter the 21st century boy

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Indeed, peace and prosperity for all have been blessed through this now-reclaimed ancient sign of the sun on the road to Damascus.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago


[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

I'm starting to see a grand alliance being possible. Let China annex everything to Lake Baikal(Chinese need the fresh water and watershed and drain its excess testosterone). Let Japan take back its Kuril Islands while Germany reclaims Königsberg and flushes its toilets(Germans are obsessed by poo and surface cleanliness). Sarah Palin and her cohort can at least provide target practice for the Russian contingent in eastern Siberia and tie them up there for a while.

In the 20th century, Germans learnt the idea of not shooting too much, lest you be shot badly, too, once things really get going. Russia may need the same lesson be taught to it by the countries with historical territorial claims against it. Simultaneous coordinated actions will do the job nicely, operation Pan-Siberian Night.

Not my puny in comparison, operation Suburban-American Night.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Germany must annex Königsberg (then cleanse it as the Soviets did) because it is a quintessential East Prussian city in German possession for many centuries. "Eighty million Germans must obtain what is our right." sounds right, doesn't it?

Yes, ImNotMe was correct. Catherine the Great was indeed raised as a German princess. It's therefore proper that Russia should submit to Germany if they thought that German rule was so great that they call "that woman" Catherine "the Great." Germany now has another Woman ruler called Angela Merkel from eastern Germany who knows Soviet/Russian rule well. German annexation of Russia will be culturally and gender-sensitive, I'm sure. Russia needs 》 eine Mutti auch.《 You should know how terrible I feel about boys playing with fleshy marbles.

There's also Danzig, the free port, that should be returned to Germany, right?

Oh yes, I started calling Pootin "the Great" since his "great" effort to fight ISIS in Syria. It honors him properly. George W. Bush was culturally illiterate to have called him "Puke-tin." I'm the rather forgiving sort about this because I knew that W had called Pervez Musharraf a democratic leader of Pakistan during his pesidential election campaign. What did he know, which end is which? 》Vorzeihung, bitte.《

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

ImNotMe: "Furthermore ... the Russians were also the only other Allied Boots On The Ground on Japanese territory (Sakhalin etc.) & their entry into that theatre, had far more to do w/Japan's surrender then we are taught in The West. As a footnote ... it may be added that many people understand that tho' Japan was broken by Fire Bombing, Blockade and Battle Defeats; the Two Atom Bombs were more about signalling to The Russians - than it was about ''defeating'' an already defeated Japan."

A different perspective says that the Red Army had acquired a terrible reputation for its behaviors vanquishing Nazi Germany and Berlin in particular so Japan didn't want to go through what Germany did. Wernher von Braun and his cohort rocket engineers drove to meet and surrender to the U.S. military instead of to the Red Army. There was a video of his broken arm in a cast due to a car accident en route. He was cheerfully smoking cigarettes with the Americans. Don't you think that it's quite possible that the Japanese had learnt from their German ally somehow that it would be better for Japan to surrender to the Americans than to the Soviets? I remember that the German soldiers had trepidation of somehow not owning a farm in Ukraine but ending up being imprisoned somewhere in the very cold and dark Siberia. (I sympathize with that sentiment; being cold and its getting dark can be very disconcerting with no food or water around even if it was just late Sunday evening in suburban/rural America - I was scared.)

Dr. Braun almost seemed relieved and joyful that he would be able to carry on rocketry development in the U.S.A. to realize his boyhood dream of "going to the Moon" which eventually did happen in 1969. Both Germany and Japan turned into prosperous and peaceful countries under U.S. occupation(contrast them with the Soviet-occupied satellite countries - e.g., compare Deutsche Demokratische Republik with Bundesrepublik Deutschland, they have the Same German people and geographically close) and became staunch allies of the U.S. Japan still frets over the islands that the Soviets took over near the end of the war. I think that the Japanese still feel that the former Soviet Union was pesky and opportunistic.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

I don't think that the Red Army's "reputation" was a factor in Japanese peoples' thinking in quite the way that you are implying .. given the depravities committed against Germans were only just happening, and please try to research the same committed against Poles & Slavs by the Nazi Armies - Wehrmacht and SS & their allies - up to & including Stalingrad. No, grapes .. it was the battle hardened fighting prowess of The Russians that the Japanese high command feared,as it also remembered what it had done to The Chinese, Manchurians and Koreans since 1938 & even before that - under the banner of The Rising Sun.

To your point about German scientists' etc., compliance with Operation Paperclip & for sure that Werner Von Braun & his underlings preferred USA to USSR but that didn't stop those peskie Ruskies, capturing who & what they could & very quickly instituting their own Nuclear & Space programs. In fact, you could say that USA had more of a head start ...

Finally .. both ''Germany and Japan turned into prosperous and peaceful countries'' mainly because they were totally de-militarized & could devote all science & industry, to production and rebuilding & both had highly educated and reconstruction focussed populations and a skilled industrial base .. NONE of which was devoted to war any longer. Hopefully the USA's 99% will benefit from this too one day!

We now live in an increasingly multi-polar world grapes but USA's Oligarchy & its MSM Propagandized populations have not really come to terms with this reality and indeed, the US-MIC & Oligarchy - is still even now resisting multi-polarity ... with the PNAC doctrine of ''Full Spectrum Dominance''.

I do not know whether you have heard of or watched John Pilger's latest polemical documentary .. ''The Coming War On China" but here is a link but I don't know how long it'll be working for so I STRONGLY RECOMMEND that you watch this asap .. as it gives important insight into The Imperium:

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

One to three years of darkness will scare the Nazis in Ukraine alright. I didn't know, except from flip, that the Germans had established themselves in Ukraine although I knew that their soldiers had dreamt of owning farms there as Black-soil Aryans returning home victoriously(》mein Vater heißt Ares!《) to their ancestral Indo-European homeland.

China needs to have its younger male excess population killed off to achieve stability so a war with China will help drain the pent-up testosterone left over by the decades-long one-child policy.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Consider: ''Nazi Roots of Ukraine’s Conflict'' .. by Jonathan Marshall:

starts - ''Few Americans understand the ugly history behind the Nazi-affiliated movements that have gained substantial power in today’s U.S.-backed Ukrainian regime. Western propaganda has made these right-wing extremists the “good guys” versus the Russian “bad guys,” - as Jonathan Marshall explains.''

You can sometimes say the oddest things grapes & I suspect, China won't ''have its younger male excess population killed off'' and a ''war with China'', will NOT help ANYTHING! Do try to watch this excellent recent doc. film by John Pilger for perspective:

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

I watched the whole video by John Pilger. From where else but @103:26 of it do you think I got the idea of one to three years of global perennial freeze resulting from a nuclear war of the U.S. with China to scare the farming Nazis in Ukraine with No food crops being growable for Ten years? You know that the Silent Majority in the U.S. has spoken and Herr Drumpf, now certified by Congress, shall lead us to Victory. 》Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! 《 Eat, Sleep, Die, for Black Soil. 》Pilzgerichte vom Schwarzwald für alles!《

China is not the only country which has an excess testosterone issue. The Islamic world has already bred that for centuries, with the damned wealthy Naked Apes allowed to have four wives. Statistically, man-to-woman ratio is nearly one-to-one naturally according to biology. Where does that leave the other not-so-damned not-so-wealthy men with excess testosterone? Grabbling Europa? Have they been asked the question, "Do you want to grabble me?" by the females and answered in the affirmative?

It looks like God has been preparing for the excess testosterone to clash at Armageddon with the Chinese crossing the Euphrates, according to the Book of Revelation. Hopefully, until I have already checked out, the U.S. Navy can stave off constipation at the global anal sphincter(I must still have some subconscious Germanic cultural heritage to be This obsessed with the rear end[other very Christian paranoia and depression are of death and the "darkness in my soul"] or I'm just being very rational putting the output first, for even flow through the system) at the Strait of Hormuz(if it can't be kept open, forget about everything, we're all lost) to delay the Chinese needing to invade to secure the regularity of the oil supply.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Even if ''Nuclear Winter'' inspired you somehow, that you watched Pilger's doc. film is excellent in and of itself and I am impressed that you did so grapes. However .. I must correct you that ''the Silent Majority'' voted for Herr Drumpf. He got less than 50% of a 58% turnout and The Electoral College and GOP Voter Suppression played a HUGE part in his win but of course, the fallacy of ''The Russian Hack'' will be used for evermore to explain why Hellary Rotten Clinton lost!!! Not sure what ''Black Forest For All'' - has to do with anything tho'!! Unless you meant .. cake (as in gateaux) & eat it ''für alles'' , lol!

The Chinese and Muslims are not any more uniquely endowed with ''testosterone'' than other people tho' the lack of oestrogen in the public sphere in Muslim societies has a consequence, in all probability - but ''G*d, testosterone and Armageddon'' .. has got me scratching my head again with further 'oddness' from you and as such I will scurry back to reality but I leave you this nugget for your later perusal:

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

You know that Pilger's video may very well be a propaganda product to cozy up to China. The U.K. left the U.S. alone and led the recent kowtowing march of much of the West to China(what a hypocrite with its creating islands and arming them to disrespect the "existing order of the Asia-Pacific" and then complaining of the U.S. violating "one-China policy" and calling for the U.S. to respect the "existing order of Asia-Pacific" that China has disrespected), probably because it's very much eelite-controlled and scared by Brexit so it wants to grab the China economic lifeline. The U.K. has also quickly groveled to Israel after the U.N. Security Council vote regarding Jewish settlements expanding onto occupied territories which was unanimous with the U.S. abstaining without vetoing. The U.K. is obviously either Jew-controlled or heavily Jew-influenced.

The U.K. is no longer the "Great" Britain that I and my ancestors used to know under the reign of Queen Elisabeth II(who may well pass, too, just like the British honor after WWII letting Her Majesty's colonies go independent fulfilling the promise made to F. D. Roosevelt before he died). U.K. behaving honorably may well be a casualty of a grumbling stomach growling to take precedence. That, though, has a precedent because the U.S. behaved dishonorably with respect to oil for a very long time. It's not a surprise that Pilger's video has not been deleted yet.

I support going ahead with Brexit - I changed my mind shortly before the historic vote for Brexit. I hate to see EU breaking up but the needs of the people shall not be denied. People first.

I adhere to the Constitution so the Silent Majority refers to the voters who influenced the formation of the majority vote in the Electoral College. The popular vote has NO direct control on the election of the next President. The states' electors choose after the states' voters have made their choices. Ancient slavery has political consequences. One man one vote was Not used because of the existence of slavery.

The U.S. government knew cyberattack was a problem at least two or more decades ago but chose to do nothing because it had been bought by the corporations which preferred to keep quiet and cover up rather than spending money to strengthen their cyberdefense. Russia cracked but so did the Chinese and many others. No one cared until the DNC was cracked leading to the firing of thousands of Democrats in federal offices. Corporatocracy has its consequences just like slavery. Beware of a "digital Pearl Harbor attack" scenario coming true.

It was "Mushroom dishes from Black Forest for everything!" I think after a nuclear war with no sun for year(s), eating mushrooms from a charred forest will become a realistic survival option. There'll probably be many organic lumps(long pigs perhaps) decomposing.

Almost all wars have been waged or directed by men historically. Testosterone causing aggression is almost a historical fact. Even the incidences of crimes have strong correlation with how big the young unmarried male population is (China and Islamic countries come to mind but they use autocratic rule to keep the lid on). Hence, Armageddon will be the same - with huge numbers of aggressive people high on testosterone, adrenalin, and cortisol involved in the act of 》kriegen《 or getting/obtaining. For Germanic tribes, etymologically speaking, wars (》Kriege《) are nothing more than acts of procurement or getting/obtaining. Now you may see why the Teutonic tribes have such an ancient and fearsome reputation of being warlike or even war loving(they even overran the Roman Empire!). Their going to wars were like our going grocery shopping, done often and nonchalantly.

"The Valkyries will choose and conduct the souls of our slain warriors to Valhalla(the Hall of Odin/Woden) and serve and feast them there."

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

John Pilger is an Aussie thorn in the side of UK, USA & Aussie Oligarchy!!! But I'm still very impressed that you watched his latest tour fe force { https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKD40nf-KSI - 1hr50m}!! I haven't the time to read & address your reply above but will do so at a later date! However .. I draw your attention to this tonight, 9th Jan. at 9pm EST:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

I like the fact that the video delves a bit into a nuclear war with China and its aftermath. Our leaders of nuclear-armed countries behave as if nuclear wars are acceptable. I strongly believe that we are going to see nuclear incineration of cities within a few decades. A nuclear war with Russia will likely be far worse than one with China because of the Gigatonnage of nuclear weapons that will be used. I like staring down gun barrels through a mirror, not because I'm morbidly inclined but I know that the future is built from the past and the present, partly by our decisions and actions. Having accurate information allows better decisions.

The video has good Simplified Chinese subtitle. It's potentially a propaganda piece made partly with China's funding. It delves much into what the U.S. did and is doing but its coverage of what China did and is doing is sorely lacking.

I don't mind propaganda pieces as long as they contain sufficient grains of truth. I'm not particularly alarmed by the number of U.S. bases surrounding China(the U.S. has been a Pacific power for many decades already and China had certainly benefited from that stabilizing influence enabling peaceful commerce for China's economic rise - does China desire Japan's dominance more despite its history of military aggression against China?). The U.S. has direct diplomatic relations with almost All 200+ countries(except for Iran, DPRK, and Shangri-la Sikkim) and has global security interest to protect. If China doesn't allow any U.S. bases on its soil, the resulting distribution will automatically look like an encirclement of China. It's not quite an encirclement yet because there's no U.S. base in Russian Siberia near the Russia-China border.

Some legacy bases are no more than listening posts, partly to skirt around U.S. anti-domestic spying laws resulting from the Watergate scandal. If domestic U.S. communications are routed overseas and captured "unintentionally," then that is legal. With the erosion of legal protection against domestic spying in the face of terrorism, many of these "bases" have become unnecessary. Edward Snowden disclosed why the pretense to protect U.S. domestic Liberty was a farce, anyway. It's one reason I'm not particularly alarmed by foreign propaganda pieces with bits of truth in them. How else can we in the U.S. get untainted ugly truths about ourselves if our own government, corporations, and media collude to fool us?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''John Pilger nails it. He describes Obama’s 8 year term as POTUS perfectly.''

The video you refer to above, in your prior reply - has now been removed as I suspected it would be & so good job you watched it. Try the one above which will be around for much longer - for further insights into John Pilger and his insights.

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Precedent-setting Lebesraum-cleansing has cleared my hangup. I have discovered that my Original Americans came from eastern Siberia and northern Siberia through genetic evidence. The Americas were no-man's land.

I fully support the "Original" Americans to start a Lebensraum-cleansing movement to take back their ancestral homelands in eastern and northern Siberia. All "Original" Americans, amass at the Bering Strait for operation Pan-Siberian Night. Sarah Palin will be your commanding general Mulan. She can "see Russia" from where she lives in Alaska. She has the vision to lead. I'm so glad that I've discovered an all-American contingent of brave warriors for her to lead to victory. 》Sieg Heil! Sippe und Haft für Mutterland. Sieg Heil!

I only have historical claims for Eurasia but anthropologists have said that I am African in origin(as is all of human species, not withstanding the mixing outside of Africa with the Neanderthals[who are human, too, in my opinion]). I think that they are correct because I am a Naked Ape with only a few patches of hair on my body where they matter for the reduction of friction so I agree to include Africa in my ancestral Lebensraum homeland. I cannot be odd before I have Even started.

I still need some anthropological evidence to find me some Black Aryans who will follow me in my eventual re-conquest of Africa for all Indo-European Aryan Mistress Race. I think the very tall soon-to-be-out-of-a-job Kenyan mulatto may be able to help. He knows that race, I believe. I'll let him own the farm in the fertile land of Kenya. I support color blind full and equal(no farm-ownership discrimination is allowed because the German soldiers had been promised that) employment for everyone - he doesn't need an H1B visa to work.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Wtf are you on &/or - on about, grapes?! Fyi:

sic transit gloria mundi?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

I'm on these chemicals: acetylcholine, dopamine, sérotonine, epinephrine, norepinephrine, oxytocin, melatonin, human growth hormone, testosterone, estrogen, thyroxine, cortisol, etc. Every human being is on these - I'm just human. My profile of quantities may be different from most people due to my exceptionally early exposure to and confrontation with sexual/genital issues as a preschooler.

I suspect that my corpus callosum may be thinner than other people's due to a higher testosterone exposure from age 4 up to at most age 6(I was the hairiest with the thickest and oiliest hair in my family and testosterone promotes hair growth so it could have been testosterone at work). I may well be a bit more cerebral-hemispherically "disconnected" than most people and appear to be more schizophrenic by running my brain more "open-loop."

The sexual molestation by my babysitter and my subsequently attending an "advanced masturbation-technique" class by my neighborhood-boy playmate could have done strange things to me(likely to my brain where long-lasting memories reside; the Subconscious exists, perhaps as an old attic or a closet with a skeleton in it and as long as it is not visited, everything is seemingly just fine except for some strange happenings from time to time that made no sense). I noticed that my 3-D visualizing capability was better than others. Could it be a beneficial effect, a silver lining?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Hmmm - I recommend an occasional doobie,

So here U go - "visualize" this: =======##~'

Also fyi, I am recommending this long article:

It is an exceptional read & full of real insights.

I also think, that u may even find it meditative.

The context for private/personal, is the public!

fiat justitia...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

childhood bullshit is no excuse for an adult to be stupid. time to grow up. alan watts would tell you that some people get a cadillac at birth and some people get a vw. at some point those with the vw need to stop complaining about their bad luck and realize that the car will get them where they want to go. get in your vw and go! and maybe stop the excessive masturbation

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Russia needs your advice. Let us round up a few duckies and pack up for a road trip in the VW. Masturbation will be strictly prohibited to channel sexual energy appropriately.

My Mom might have been worried about my sexual orientation for more than a decade because she breathed a sigh of relief when I sought her blessing for marrying my female fiancée. During most of that period (of nearly a decade), I was sexually dormant, probably due to the level of Sexual Hormone-Binding Globulin[SHBG] which made being human(i.e., with juvenile learning ability) possible by extending juvenile chimpanzee childhood for a decade or so - human chromosome 17 may hold an important key to what makes us human(i.e., by Never "growing up" and by retaining much learning ability before and even after reaching adulthood).

I don't regret having learnt "advanced masturbation techniques" as a preschooler because my neighborhood-boy playmate was only slightly older. The power relationship was rather equal so it was more of a cultural exchange than a coercion, as I knew more about female anatomy from my babysitter's molestation of me. He told me that the technique I had discovered on my own after my babysitter's molestation heightening my curiosity, was inferior and proceeded to "e-duc-ate" me. I still wonder, "from where did he learn his techniques?"

The techniques came in handy to relieve sexual tensions when puberty hit. They were especially helpful for behaving properly even when somehow my teachers often assigned me to sit behind a "class beauty" to "pay attention" in class(with furtive glances, right???, teacher man, are you kidding with me? Am I here for getting an "e-duc-ation?") - noblesse obligé! According to Teutonic customs, a boy coming-of-age was given a spear and a shield so I got my advanced manual knowledge as well as the accurate anatomical and biological knowledge I'd gleaned in my third grade off of my elder brother's high school textbooks. I was well armed.

When in a movie James Bond stripped a woman nude, flip'ped her onto himself, and rolled over, you can very well bet that "I got it!" even as a grade schooler(armed with discredited preschool sex "e-duc-ation" - being spanked due to having been caught in the class was no fun, though! It's tuition cost, I guess.).

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

the usual nonresponse - i know it is because of abuse as a child by a babysitter - boring!

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Sex puts a high premium on social skills and social cognition which require having brains that can cope with the social complexities. Human cultures grow upon such brains with deferred sexual maturity to allow for long-term learning and returning memories, "Lära in, min kärleks." It's just too bad that you've been left out of the seminal event giving to the Rise of Man. Mirror, Mirror, Mirror!

Break the Mirror.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

odd is a nice way to put it. war with almost anyone is a bad idea. if we are lucky trump will back off threatening russia and china

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Alas ''if we are lucky'' tRUMP, ''will back off threatening russia and china''! ''Odd'' as it may be, this is perhaps The Only mitigation of a DJT POTUS & I can not recommend this doc. film enough to you & mayda and I am somewhat shocked that this link is still working, so do please catch it if you can flip:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

I claim that Russia's annexation of Crimea was illegal and detrimental to the global order and security. Historical ownership and present needs don't justify taking possession by force. Learn how messed up Alsace-Lorraine got between France and Germany.

To avoid setting a terrible precedent, I won't start a Lebensraum-cleansing movement to drive out or kill off all of the squatters on my ancestral Lebensraum of Eurasia, one reason being that I don't want the same done to me by the Original Americans here.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

what you say about the indians taking back their land is correct. what you say about crimea is because russia is an official enemy and you are a victim of state propaganda.the russians would no more give crimea to ukraine than we would give texas to mexico. anyone with a knowledge of history would know that.

the rest of the debate is childish seems to me. yes the nazis committed unspeakable horrors in the invasion of russia and the soviets returned the favor in spades. so?

the list of official enemies who were once our allies is long - assad and saddam come quickly to mind. the list of official friends who have horrible human rights records is long. seem to me an obvious point that we should complain about those most loudly since it is or tax dollars (and weapons and refueling planes) that help the saudis drop bombs on children in yemen. also we might be able to affect the policy of our government where even you grapes cannot move the needle one inch with putin.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Texas was the Only independent Country which had won sovereign state status through a rather bloody revolution, to join the U.S. as a state eventually. Crimea did not win its sovereign state status from Ukraine. Show me a Crimean Sam Houston, an Alamo, and a recognition from Kyiv, of Crimea being a sovereign state, independent of Ukraine. Then I'll let you compare Texas with Crimea.

However much I and DK call it the damned Texass due to its imported politics, I respect that megalomaniac country masquerading as a state. I think it's a godsend to be on guard there on the border. When the ghosts come showing up, whom are you going to call? Texass, of course!

I understand personally from my childhood experience with my much stronger elder brother. We could be yelling at each other one moment but should someone outside of our family start beating me up, he'll unhesitatingly take my side and beat them up in defense of me. Thus is brotherhood!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

besides the point as usual - this is pointless. keep your opinions that the power elite have planted in your head. i will try to discuss with someone who has a freer mind

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Please look closely at Crimea & Ukraine's history and demographics .. AND wtf USA is up to under the auspices of Arch Neocon, Victoria Nuland (& check who her husband, brother-in-law & father-in-law are) grapes, and we can have it at after that BUT before that, please avail the now famous Pilger doc. above!

multum in parvo ...