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Forum Post: Romney won’t release his taxes, not because he broke the law but because he didn’t, sometimes the law becomes the crime.

Posted 11 years ago on July 23, 2012, 10:50 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ
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Here’s some people talking about just how far we have cut taxes.

To think that many (Republicans) want to cut taxes even more. This is not about freedom for the people, this is about stripping the people of any ability to stand up to the 1%.




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[-] 3 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 11 years ago

Romney could clear some of this up with a copy of his FBAR for 2009. That is the year his bank came to an agreement with the IRS whereby UBS client names in Switzerland were given over after the clients had the opportunity to take an amnesty from criminal charges. If Romney was complying with the law back then he would have filed on time an FBAR with the IRS (technically not a part of his tax return but a report to the IRS .) If indeed he was evading taxes illegally the FBAR would either not be there or would have been filed late, as in after the amnesty. If Romney tried to illegally evade taxes, got caught and took an amnesty from criminal charges, as seems very likely, that's something the world ought to know about, given the job he is applying for.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewcampione/2012/07/19/what-could-mitt-romneys-pre-2010-filings-tell-us/ There is however a bunch of other stuff that could prove to have been illegal, even felonious.




[-] 2 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 11 years ago

There is no excuse for someone not revealing their tax returns. I had to give the bank mine in order to get a loan. This is not about privacy, this is about the potentially most powerful man on earth in the near future.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

McCain got away with showing only two years in 2008, but then he didn't win either, but those that say Romney will give in, may be in for a shock.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 11 years ago

Romney is a decoy. Congress is the prize!!

While we fret over Twit, RepubliCons installed in key states are working in a rabid frenzy to suppress Dem Votes!!

Discouraging Votes is also the plan! Whatever works (worked in 2010!).

More crazy Cons in Congress is the sundae, another Twit in the WH is the cherry!!

People, do you want to get your way from government for a change??? GET OUT THE VOTE!!! Turn out a 90% and watch what happens!!! We will get the government that the 1% is enjoying by design!! Quit being manipulated!! VOTE!!!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

We can no longer afford any republican in any public office, the sooner we realize that the sooner we start to fix things.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

Bain source says Romney didn't pay any tax for ten years, that's why he won't release them, he dogde the question once already, seems it would be an easy "hell no, I paid taxes every year" if it weren't true, I wonder if those who support him will even care?

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 11 years ago

Bet you can't remember all the gaffes W made in 2000, pretty unmemorable. What we do remember is Florida and SCOTUS appointment and 9-11. Let's don't repeat 9-!!! Stop the suppression, get out the Vote!! "They" will be glad to cheat Twit into office, while they use him as a decoy to get RW Crazies in legislatures and governorships repeating 2010. Don't repeat 9-11 and 2010!!! Get out the Vote!!

I now believe the trolls, zombies and OWS = No Voting bubbleheads, are Plants!

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 11 years ago

But maybe he did break the law. Maybe he was among those who cut a deal to pay taxes to avoid prosecution. He admits paying taxes on the Swiss money. I heard that only those who were in the deal paid any taxes.


By the way, he set good example in Mass. He didn't raise taxes, he raised fees. Boy, did he ever raise fees?

Fee the rich!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

I have been getting some feeb that he may have broken the law, but our tax code is a crime all by itself, tax the poor give to the rich how'd we get tricked into that anyway.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 11 years ago

Just because he broke the law doesn't mean he is innocent. Some of the old folks seem to think that the Department of Justice has something to do with Justice. Sure are a lot of obsolete ideas kicking around.

When the loop holes are bigger than the code.... when the donut hole is bigger than the donut? I guess I don't know what to call things anymore.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

who even needs loopholes when 99% of the super rich income is at 15% right out in the open, sure they don't want to pay even that tiny amouint, that's why folks like Romney are pros at moving it offshore, now he don't want us to see now much he saved by doing that, he wants you to think rich people pay tons of tax at the same time he wants you to believe that raising their taxes would do nothing because of loopholes, it seems to be working too, hard to believe people fall for it but many do

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

thanks for the link

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 11 years ago

every election, it's the same thing with this kind of stuff. Here's just one example.


depressing how we haven't moved forward at all. everybody's just looking for dirt on the other guy instead of looking at what can/will get done.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

He should only have to show his taxes for years in which he says he was doing/learning about how to fix the problems we have. This would be so that people can see how he fixes problems not "rake dirt" if he says we should only consider what he has done over the past two years fine, but if he ever talks of his experience as a businessman then we should check those as well. As I recall Romney wants people to consider his long life of achievement, so looking at tax records is like checking references, it's just doing due diligence. After all we wouldn't want to end up with another Bush would we, speaking of that, when do you think Romney will pull out the big guns and get "W" working the countryside for him?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

That was 30 yeras ago. Are you kidding? So you think he Romney should continue hiding his taxes? Don't you wanna know if your candidate is a crook?

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 11 years ago

Maybe if we didn't feed these political parasites we could change the tones of elections and move away from mud slinging and more towards substance. Or should i say "progress" towards that?

But that's probably just a pipe dream. That link being 30 years old was kind of the point. Nobody is progressing anywhere. It's the same crap every year and "progressives" like you just feed the trolls. Like i said in another thread, I'm sure there were a lot of intellectual progressives shouting "Ma, Ma, Where's my Pa?" in 1884. You'd have fit right in.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Seems like your doin a little mudslinging yourself there boss. No need!

We are not enemies!

We should see the taxes. He clearly has skirted the law. And the 99% would be outraged to find how little he paid.

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 11 years ago

This article sums up my feelings


"America in 2012 faces problems of unprecedented complexity, from the moribund global economy to a never-ending shadow war against terrorists. But our political dialogue seems to ban any thought more complex than can be expressed in a 30-second attack ad. In the midst of the most depressing presidential campaign in nearly a quarter century, the only hope is that the victor in November--Obama or Romney--will transcend the distortions and the untruths that got him elected, as George Bush did back in 1988."

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

So you don't think he should show his taxes. What about the shell co in the caymans? Thats ok too?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Oh you support Bush. Nice.

So you framed very well a serious problem in our political campaign process. I agree!

Any suggestions for fixing it?