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Forum Post: Remember the Reichstag fire?

Posted 2 years ago on Aug. 6, 2012, 9:32 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Hold your nose - and try not to laugh


Romney's tax problems, with or without disclosure, AND with constant hammering by the Democrats for the next few months -
will not be nominated.
At the last minute, riding in on a white horse to save the day will be
jeb bush or chris christie or ?
{ I'd prefer newt, michelle, or paul, or ron }
Although the perfect candidate - who we all know never says anything -
is clarence


The Democrats, who have invested two years preparing to battle willard may be unprepared to battle someone else.


AND this could have been the plan from day one!

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[-] 6 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

You mean the Nazi false flag attack on the Chancellery that Hitler blamed on the communists and used to consolidate his power? That Reichstag fire?

Kind of like NATO's terrorist armies (aka Al Queda) carrying out massacres in Homs and Houla and blaming them on Assad.

[-] 2 points by FreedomReigns (72) 2 years ago

You're a smart man nomdeguerre.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

It's ghastly how Nazi-esque NATO's evil is.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4529) 2 years ago

Agree.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 2 years ago

could be...yep, could be.

[-] 2 points by marvelpym (-184) 2 years ago

and how is that like the Reichstag fire?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

bait & switch

[-] 1 points by conservatroll (159) 2 years ago

Bait and switch was the title of your thread vs the contents, tho there are interesting parallels to the fire and today. Hitler started out his Jewish agenda by encouraging boycotts of Jewish businesses....kinda like the gays and their PC enablers and Chick a fil and the bakery that won't do faux wedding cakes.

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 2 years ago

I think that was scapegoating, not bait and switch. I get what you are trying to say about Romney, but it's a bad example. Plus it's a tad drama queenish. the Republican/Nazi thing has just been done to death.

[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Electors have already pledged their vote. A switch would require massive exceptions. On top of massive election fraud.

If it works (one way or another) the WH is the cherry on the sundae!

But for now, a big decoy.

Congress and state legislatures and governorships are the main goal sundae!

Get Out the VOTE!!!

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Congress is very important. I'm really looking forward to voting out my asshole congressmen this year. From the financial modernization act to the war in Iraq... he supported all the policies that have taken our country on this negative decline.

That way even if a shitty person like MIttens gets elected... maybe there will be enough smart people in congress to impeach him..

[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Spoken like a true RepubliCon Plant.

Heil Money!!!

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

lol you are by far one of the weirdest people I've chatted with on this site.

Also my a-hole congressman I talked about voting out of office... he is a repub.

But keep believing in your weird theory that anyone who disagrees with you on one issue must be a secret plant paid by republicans.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Are you a plant or not?

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[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Citizen United $!!

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

LOL you are a weird conspiracy person.

Also Barack Obama and the CIA targeted 3 American citizens for assassination. How does that make you feel? Do you not care that the government is assassinating American citizens without due process or even evidence of alleged crimes?

LOL but go ahead and keep supporting a man who murders American citizens without due process and evidence.

I think you are the Obama plant! lol

How many countries has Obama bombed since he's been in office?

How did he vote on the TARP bailouts when he was a senator? Why did Bank of America need a tax payer bailout even though the federal reserve loaned them over a trillion dollars?

What was his vote on the patriot act?

Why did he reappoint Bush's Ben Bernanke?

Obama is a California style republican.

And I hate republicans.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I am an advocate for Humanitarian causes, and like facts, they have a Liberal bias.

Cons have an authoritarian, Big $, plutocratic, misanthropic bias. So I'm against Cons.

But there are many many issues and situations that require compromises that seem on the surface to be anti-humanitarian. This is the mess our neglect has dealt us. The clean up will require getting dirty, and massive electoral participation.

But you evade the question: Are you a plant?

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

are you a waste of time?

lol

i think this is the site you meant to go to - www.barackobama.com

But please feel free to stay and continue to make excuses for the bombs in foreign countries.

[-] -1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

"LoL"

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 2 years ago

The GOP has pretty much sewed up the Congress with their control of redistricting in many states. It would take a voter turnout of massive proportions to change this.

[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

ABSOLUTELY!

So that's what we need to do! Massively Vote!! Democracy is not a spectators sport.

If everyone who was eligible to Vote actually Voted, RepubliCons would be obsolete!! We would be out of these wars, we'd have single-payer healthcare, offshoring would be a high crime, people would get priority, and corporations would only serve!!!

Get out that Vote!!

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Yeah Dennis Kucinich got redistricted and now he's out. which is a sad day. But I joined his action group to continue to receive awesome updates on congress.

In my state they had to rewrite the local constitution to get out Ernie Chambers. Ernie Chambers was a real "stick it to the man" kind of guy. He was pretty great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1dsTutBalw

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Yes, I think Twit is a decoy. I also think that no matter how bad he does, he'll be fine for... his "people."

Congress, state legislatures and governorships are the prime targets.

And I think we are talking to ourselves.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

I saw a poll on tv the other day that said any generic repub other than Romney beats Obama in the polls... while Obama beats Romney every time.

I don't like Obama or Romney. They both want to continue Bush's war on terror. Which I am highly opposed to.

I don't care which is worse... anyone pro-war needs to be out of Washington. We've seen too much bloodshed.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I wish we could just turn off the bloodshed with a magic switch. But obviously mature, intelligent people know that is impossible. Reasonable people know that it never happens that way, and will never happen that way,

Of course to impose that measure on anyone, or any party is clearly unreasonable. It begs the question, are you just creating an impossible measure so you seem like you are giving the Pres "a chance"?

We need to be smart enough and reasonable enough to recognize that going from millions of bombs to thousands, and from a million dead to hundreds is real progress toward the goal you claim you seek.

So if you truly want an end to war as I do, then you should support the massive reduction in death we've accomplished over the last 3 years so that we can continue to the ultimate conclusion of ending the war on terror.

If you want more war then attack the guy (Pres Obama) who has engineered that massive reduction in death, and in so doing you will be supporting the war mongering republicans who will escalate the killing when they invade Iran as they have been pressuring Pres Obama to do.

Well done.

[-] 0 points by kaiserw (211) 2 years ago

Obama has taken unprecedented new ground for team tyranny. He has murdered without any inkling to Habeus Corpus US citizens. He has refused to prosecute the Bush administration criminals for their war crimes. He has funded Al Qaida in Syria. He has continued the drug war. He has signed the NDAA. (Start looking at all the legislation that is passed in a bipartisan way, it's all tyrannical). He has refused to prosecute anyone for the financial crimes of 2008 and beyond - There were 10,000 prosecutions during the S&L crisis in the 90s, none as of yet for this disaster. These people are the same. Once you can understand that, you can start making progress.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

We disagree! They parties are vastly different, I certainly want real democracy, But I won't pretend the parties are the same. That is what the 1% want. I will work for direct democracy but I won't surrender the ballot to republicans.

Every problem we have has it's roots in conservative policies. Dems fail when they cave in and vote for CONSERVATIVE policies.

Elect progressives. Republicans ARE the problem. Keep republicans out while we build the new system from the ground up, horizontally, with real direct democracy.

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[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

It is possible to turn off the war switch.

Intelligent and mature people need to take the time to research who they vote for in the primaries and vote for the people talking about peace and not bombs. Better options have run every time in the primaries. Sadly people vote for who they see on tv the most. Money in politics has created a dangerous game. Congress is very important to pay attention to. It's not all just about presidents. With a good congress we could actually have impeached presidents for war crimes.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Money out of politics. Definitely the 1st step. No pacifist will ever get elected right? You know that right? You are a smart guy, I can tell. You know that the MIC 1$ plutocrat powers that be will nevr allow it right?

I don;t have to say these things. I'm not sure what you mean "iy is possible to turn off the war switch". Never happen. We must (as we are) step back slowly. The war machine/MIC/1% plutos can't be convinced any other way.

We disagree. I don't see a way to shut it off as if with a switch. But certainly going from millions of bombs to thousands is an excellent start. A million dead to hundreds. Is amzing progress.

Lets agree it ain't enough. Let's agree to agitate for the end of drone attacks and all military actions. Take what we can get. Support the progress. and demand more.

But don;tserve the war mongers who will escalate immediately when they get into office.

Peace. We are not enemies. We may disagree on some things. But I do not see you as my enemy.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

I assume you all must be warmongers since you're always downvoting the guy advocating to stop bombing countries and to stop killing people. That and you always make excuses for why the bombs must continue.

You claim to be against the bombs yet you downvote and argue with those that speak against the bombs.

You have no respect for logic.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I have never said the bombs must continue. Why do you need to use lies to attack me.? Can't you stick with the truth.?

I am against the drone attacks. I agitate for an end to war. I submit the dems approach to the use of military is 1000 times better than repubs.

Whats wrong with downvoting. The number is meaningless in any event. and I get downvoted plenty. I ignore the whole thing.

Peace

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[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

You make excuses for the bombs and call them progress. That and I said "you always make excuses for why the bombs must continue." I did not say you want to bombs to continue.

Do i need to quote you?

"I submit Pres Obamas use of the military represents real progress"

-from one of our previous convos

Also when I say "you all" I'm speaking of you, RPC, and Factsrfun.

The downvotes don't matter. It just makes me laugh that you all say you represent peace but you downvote the guy saying murder is wrong no matter who does it and in what number.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I have never made excuses for why the bombs must continue" I have said I'm against them and that supporting this President is the best path to achieve that.

Why do you have to use lies to attack me? Use the truth. I am anti war, and I believe this Presidents progress towards peace proves we will have peace with him and not the war mongering republicans.

Peace. "War is over, If you want it" JL

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Supporting the guy bombing the countries? Yeah sounds like you're really against the bombs.

War is over if you vote for it to be over

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I vote for the President who has reduced US military killings from millions to hundreds. In spite of your republican pressure to invade more " countries he has and will eliminate all military killings.

All we are saying, is give peace a chance." JL

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

In spite of the fact that you disregarded the deaths from the increase of war in Afghanistan when he took office and the deaths from the continued use of Black Water there as well.

More people died in pakistan alone in comparison to your number of hundreds.

Are you aware of how many people died in Sirte? Maybe you should look at that city which has been completely destroyed by bombs.

i'm voting for the people that want to stop the bombings... not just to bomb less.

Give peace a chance by voting for people that want ZERO bombs dropped. Less bombs is not peace. Less death is not peace. Assassinating American citizens is not peace.

At least just say you're voting for him because you hate Romney. Then I will not have an argument for you because at least that is reasonable. But saying Obama supports peace is a lie. Martin Luther King and Gandhi supported peace.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I support Pres Obama because he supports peace!

He is on the right path. he has begun to unwind all the various wars Bush began. All new wars have been handled quick easy, with minimal death.

Today the UN says there is less violence in Afghan than there has been in 5 years. WooHoo.

I support Pres Obama because I know he bring us peace.

We disagree. I am anti right wing. You are anti Obama

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

bombs are not peace

killing american citizens without due process is not peace

killing american citizens in a non-battle zone is not peace

killing american citizens without providing evidence of their alleged crimes is not peace

bombing 6 countries in the past 3 years is not peace.

drone strikes are not peace

giving multi-million dollar contracts to mercenary groups like black water is not peace

All of this is happening.

I am anti-war

And fuck congress for allowing this shit to go on. They need to work on the impeachment process. Bush should have been impeached for his murderous foreign policy and aggressive acts of war and Obama should have been impeached for his illegal drone strikes and murder of American citizens.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

LMFAO. You through the congress comment in there as pretense that you are blaming repubs too?

I agree with all your comments. We do NOT have peace.

But reducing military deaths from millions to thousands is real progress towards peace.

Peace It's whats for dinner.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

yeah because suggesting congress should have impeached Bush is a bad thing? lol

You are too funny sometimes dude.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Yeah thats what we need impeachment. Please Bush is done. Lets focus on the future. Lets recognize the real progress we've made lets agitate for more progress. Our goals of ending war can't happen in 1 pres term. This is a battle that will take many many years.

We can't throw out the people making the progress.

Peace

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

My stating that there were registered righties at GAslight Park to support money out of politics makes me a Republican?

You guys are too much.....

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Huh? your not makin' sense. You serve the republicans when you unfairly attack the dems/Obama. When you apply unreasonable expectations (like "ending all war") as a measure whether Pres Obama has kept his word.

Your not kiddin' anyone.

Peace.

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[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

That's just offensive, and disrespectful.

I guess personal attacks are the best you can do huh? Substance and civility are beyond you.

Peace

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[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

lol keep making excuses for the wars... you are a warmonger and part of the problem.

The wars could easily end. The bombings could end even easier.

Do you think Obama will kill American citizens again? Will he bomb another country? Or should we stop speaking out against the wars? Because it makes Obama look bad? Maybe Obama should just end the wars.

One thing Obama and Mittens agree on is bombing foreign countries.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I think there are vast differences between Pres Obama and Romney/Republican approach to war. I believe in fact that is the only difference I have with you.

I submit Pres Obamas use of the military represents real progress, and I agree it must stop.

I disagree that Pres Obama is worse than Bush or the same as Bush,or a war monger, he ain't!. I challenge that notion whenever I see it.

Peace

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

there is a difference

and both of their approaches is a form of warmongering.

Bombing foreign countries is not progress.... it's business as usual for the government.

Bush killed way more people. Bush is definitely worse....

But Hitler was worse than Bush and that does not mean Bush is progress in regards to war. It just means he murdered less people.

but Obama is still a murderer and a murderer of American citizens and since the Americans were brown Muslims no one in the CIA nor Obama will ever face a trial for their illegal action and absolute murder of 3 Americans. It's disgusting to see people so obviously get away with murder.

Peace... vote for it

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I will vote for the real progress this Presidents reduction of death represents.

And can I just say the Hitler comparison is not relevant. However since they are both right wingers, I would have to say Bush was definitely better than Hitler.

Anyway. Clinton was batter than Bush, Obama was better than Bush. Of course. And if we keep Obama in office he will be better than the repubs. He will not be perfect! we may lose a couple more Americans and even some foreigners. But Pres Obama will make real progress and it is possible that Pres Obama could end all killing by American military and start dismantling nuclear weapons.

Your repubs will never do that.

Peace, recognize it when it is on the horizon.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

lol less death is not progress.... it's just a lull in the time of murderous tyrants.

But by all means support the guy that thinks the government can kill Americans without due process or evidence.

You said - "it is possible that Pres Obama could end all killing by American military and start dismantling nuclear weapons." - It is possible.... but Obama will never "do that"... and you are right... the repubs definitely will never do that.

Also lol at "your repubs"

Can you provide one shred of evidence where I have supported the GOP? Or even voted for one? It's like you don't listen when I talk. GET ALL THE WARMONGERS OUT. This includes the entire GOP.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You serve the GOP with your unreasonable attacks on Pres Obama.You create impossible goals for him when you know he cannot achieve and so you seem like a repub to me.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

unreasonable attacks?

Sorry I forgot killing people with bombs and murdering American citizens is reasonable behavior for a president. LOL

The truth is I refuse to be a hypocrite. I spoke out against aggressive military violence under Bush and I'm going to speak out against it until it stops.

Every time you call me a republican I am going to call you a fucking moron. Capice?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I'm against killing civilian Americans. the 3 we've killed during the Obama administration and the thousands we killed before that.

So what? I'm already against war, and the drone bombings. We are in agreement on these issues.

We disagree in that I believe reducing US military killing from millions to thousands is real progress. You disregard this fact because you seem to have this burning irrational need to attack Pres Obama.

Which serves the republicans.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

We disagree that the current bombings are acceptable based on how many people Bush killed.

11 years and counting of Bush's war on terror is unacceptable no matter how you try to spin it.

But I'm glad to see you do not support the drone strikes or the bombing. But please speak out against them! LOUDLY! Get you representative to stop them! You can still vote for who you want! But speak out against them where they are wrong. Always.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28452) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Anti-War is good - Anti-Killing is good - Anti-Violence is good - Anti-Hate is good - Anti-Pollution is good - Anti-Crime is good Anti-Profits over People is good.

That being said.

When anyone joins a terrorist organization or a military service - they have become legitimate targets in the killing fields of war.


[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (3447) 26 minutes ago

I called you a fucking moron in response to your fucking moronic assumption that because I speak out against the wars that I am a republican.

That should explain a bit. Really.

Murder is murder.

Perhaps you have trouble recognizing that this president and the CIA killed American citizens without due process and without evidence of their alleged crimes in a non-battle zone making the bombings illegal as well as the murder. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

So theres no difference between suggesting you are a republican, and calling me a fucking moron?

Really? That explains a bit. Perhaps you have a problem measuring things like name calling, and military killings.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

I called you a fucking moron in response to your fucking moronic assumption that because I speak out against the wars that I am a republican.

That should explain a bit. Really.

Murder is murder.

Perhaps you have trouble recognizing that this president and the CIA killed American citizens without due process and without evidence of their alleged crimes in a non-battle zone making the bombings illegal as well as the murder.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Now now! the vulgar personal attacks simply show your inability to argue the substance.

I guess you are spent. 'sok. I understand you can't really stand up against the fact that this great Pres had reduced US military killings from millions to thousands. You just can't stand that a Dem has managed the military 1000 times beiter than the republicans you serve with your unreasonable attacks on Pres Obama.

Listen. We disagree. I am anti right wing. You are anti Obama. We're not gonna convince each other. Maybe we should just agree to disagree.

Peace We are not enemies. Lets treat each other with respect, as if we will be working together for years.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Stop calling me a republican and we can treat each other with respect mutually. Call me a republican and I will be vulgar right back at you. Capice?

Also if you disagree with the bombings, why do you speak out against people speaking out against the bombings?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

3 Americans. Please. We've thousands upon thousands of civilian Americans in the lost 50 years. Gimme a break.

& y'know what? We're gonna kill more. It happens and until we dethrone the MIC/PTB/1% plutocrats we're gonna havta be a little more mature. So grow up. Stay strong. recognize the progress and fly straight.

Peace

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

oh wow

you've hit a new low

Now you're saying that assassinating American citizens without evidence of alleged crimes even a year later is acceptable because troops have died in wars?

Wow you've lost it dude. Stick to just hating Romney. This new rhetoric you're spitting out isn't working.

So you're okay that the government thinks they can assassinate American citizens? Or do you want to flop your stance and change your wording?

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

As a liberal, I try also to refute the Democratic exclusivity in Occupy. Occupy in it's material, approved by the GA, states that Occupy is not associated with any political party. Occupy is a global movement by for and of the people. I can be a liberal and still agree with a conservative because our core values tend to be the same.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Nothing about Democrats or Republicans.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

And what "conservative do you agree" with?

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Didn't realize I was supposed to keep records on this type of thing. Lets start with Buddy Roemer. He didn't make the republican nomination because he refused PAC and interest money. Only personal donations of a few hundred dollars at a time. Obviously he didn't have the money to compete with Obama because even Obama isn't brave enough to try reelection on only what the working class can afford to donate. Buddy also started a bank that didn't foreclose on one house during the housing meltdown. Something very inline with conservative family values. Well they sure showed that conservative Buddy Roemer what for, didn't they.

Now it's your turn to reach across the isle and share your most positive view or agreement with a conservative. I'm sure you're a big enough person?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I believe that all our problems are rooted in conservative policies.

I know of no conservative I would support. I am registered independent but I am liberal/progressive.

I know of no conservative policy I would support. It is contradictory to the direction we need to go.

Sorry. I don't think there is any need to reach across the aisle (which is the failure of dems) to the policies that serve the 1% plutocrats.

Buddu Roemer?. I remember him. Does he support OWS? the 99%. The progressive solutions we need to undo the damage of the damage done by conservative policies? Do you?

I don't think so.

Peace, Conservative supporter.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

http://www.buddyroemer.com

Fiscal conservatism includes a reduction in military spending to only what is needed. Not as needed to prop up home state war manufacturers, that's an abuse of the concept.

Social conservatism includes family values, not the stripping of support and wages for them as sold by the current representatives of the conservative party in the house and senate.

I think it would help you to separate the ideology from the people abusing it. People abuse religion, politics, and any other institution they can get there hands on. So when you run people off for being conservative, you only hurt Occupy when you could just as easily slide their way long enough to point out the abuse of their disposition and suggest things that they are not likely to hear from the mainstream media.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"run people off"? huh? Thats a horrible, unfounded accusation. Conservatives are welcomed to engage in civ l debate on the issues.

fiscal conservatives" you want me to believe the conservatives in this country want to cut the military? I disagree! Sorry. Obviously, you can claim what "real consevatism" is. But I will focus on the reality of conservative politics today.

Conservative policy is to increase military spending as they have done. Right? You're not trying to cover for conservatives are you? And conservative policy further plans to increase military spending so they can enrich their constituents (MIC, southern voters) under the argument that the constitution only dictates the fed govt provide defense & nothing else..

In addition the fiscal conservatives further claim that we must balance the budget. So therefore we must cut all the programs/services that serve the 99% (and coincidentally serves constituents of the other party) elderly, minorities, poor, etc. They support less regulation for big business, and more tax cuts for the 1%. The conservative Ryan budget promotes this and pays for it by cutting svsc for the elderly, and sick.

Social conservatives are beholden to southern right wing religious fundamentalists. They are anti LGBT, anti women, anti immigrant, anti poor people, anti abortion, ant evolution, anti science, anti stem cell,

These are the real conservative policies. I can't support that. I support the opposite. I guess you do not?

You may support some unrelated ideal conservative policy that does not exist. I don't know. Never heard of it. But if you give me which particular policy you believe I will give you my honest opinion. If you are interested.

Peace.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

I stopped reading in the first part of the second paragraph. You continue to take millions of individuals and summarize them as one Borg-like mind. Do you have any clue how close that is to outright bigotry?

I don't like plenty of politicians, in this day that's really easy to understand. But I have relatives who are conservative with a history of voting for the Dems. There are Dems who side with Romney. You need to mature in your thinking, for your own benefit.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

So you refuse to read my comment and have suggested I am a "bigot".

I think the name calling is reflective of a weak argument. We should make every effort to remain civil. I haven't suggested you are a bigot because you support conservatives (aren't they the party of the bigots?)

You mentioned "politicians.. you don't like". We were talkin about policies. Changing the focus of the conversation might indicate you cannot admit the problems with the conservative policies I mentioned.

I guess not reading my comment further means you won't go on the record agreeing or disagreeing with these conservative policies. I understand.

Whether dems support Romney, or conservative support Obama is not relevant to this discussion. We are discussing the policies of conservatives right? This is yet another effort to change the subject.

Suggesting my maturity level is inadequate is also changing the subject. A personal comment about me is not relevant to whether conservatives have politicies that help the 99%, they I can support.

Peace, We are not enemies. We just disagree, I support the progressive policies we need to correct the damage created by the republican/conservative policies.

And you support conservatives?

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

I don't waste my time writing about or responding to talking points from politicians or the mainstream media. "Even bad press is good press". If you read the about statement on my blog, you will see that I believe we will get nowhere by entertaining and always reacting. Technology is now poised to allow us the opportunity to take over the conversation and start making the politicians and media react to us, because that is the intended natural flow created by our constitution. Tech can level the playing field with money, but only if we are aware the tools are there and figure out how to use them. I don't expect you to click every link I drop but if you haven't read this page, I think you should if you want to understand my position.

http://blog.richardkentgates.com/p/whats-frequency-kenneth.html

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You can state your opinion or not. It's up to you. I've been very clear and I think respectful about my opinion.

This new statement of your does not refer at all to the issue of conservative policies. That is most telling.

Sounds like you are suggesting money in politics is a problem. We agree with that. I suggest this happened because of conservative judges appointed by repubs. I recommend publicly funded campaigns, no contributions, no commercials, mandatory voting for all. repeal electoral college, and much more.

Good luck to you in all your good efforts.

Peace

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28452) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The ultimate bait and switch? Only put up a real sleaze to frighten the public - badly frighten the public - horrify the public with the very idea - while bad mouthing the competition - then pop in a last second ringer?

Interesting marketing twist.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The plan from day one was to run that idiot Romney who will lose to Obama.

There is no R/L nonsense with the people who fund these candidates. Who is the better salesmen for their schemes? Clearly Obama.

Other similar moves have been running that moron Dole against Clinton, and the DNC's great choice of Kerry to lose to Bush.

The 99% gets caught up in R vs L. The ones who run these two corporate parties could care less who is in there. One side means they exploite us by X means, the other side means they exploit us by Z means.

Its a win win for them because they fund both parties. They've owned them for decades.

If Bush did some of the stuff that Obama did, there would be massive protests all over. There isnt. Thats why Obama is a lock. He can get away with more.

[-] 3 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 2 years ago

Sigh, it's a big step to accept that this entire election/political system is rigged to the degree it is today.

More of the same will be the result unless enough people take this big step.

[-] 2 points by FreedomReigns (72) 2 years ago

Love ya hchc ! You know what's what !!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

That doesn't make sense!

The 1% plutocrats through the repubs are squealing like stuck pigs against the progressives policies that the dems have been pushing.

The small incremental progress (fin reform, ACA, expand pell grants, stident loans removed from banks) watered down and obstructed be 1% plutocrat agents (repubs) is clearly NOT what the 1% plutocrats want.

They want conservative policies as always. The 1% plutocrats want more tax cuts for the 1%, and repeal of fin reform. That is exactly what the repubs are running on. That is exactly what they will do.

"no R/L nonsense"? What? have we rescinded the political spectrum in America?. Please.

The 1% plutocrat money is going overwhelming to the republicans.

You comments are misleading.

90% tax rate on $1mill income. Remove all deduction/shelters on millionaires. To pay down the national debt.

Tax/debt cuts for working/middle call. to increase coneumer demand/hiring.

It;s the only way.

Elect progressive. Republicans ARE the problem.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6637) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I think the taxes are being used as a smoke screen so Romney doesn't have to talk about his alleged platform. Shit, does he even have a platform?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28452) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

More profits for corpoRATs less taxes for corpoRATs and other wealthy - get corpoRATs and the wealthy to throw him a few bones for his efforts - Drive the majority of the population into bondage/servitude to the corpoRATs and the wealthy look for some more bones to be tossed by the corpoRATs and the other wealthy. Lather rinse repeat.

[+] -4 points by gnomunny (6637) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Ah, I stand corrected. I just assumed all those things you listed were normal day to day living. Lather, rinse, transfer money from offshore account A to offshore account B, repeat.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28452) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

LOL - I think I may have forgotten to mention that I would not be surprised if human trafficking was a fond thought of his.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6637) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Boy, that's opening up a whole can of worms. I can't help but think of the Franklin S&L cover-up whenever someone mentions human trafficking and our 'chosen leaders.'

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28452) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Tis a sick and sad world. Much there is to clean-up.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6637) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Yes, it is. They'll always be sick bastards, but hopefully we can at least get the ones out that hold the power.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28452) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

One of my goals - and then maybe we can see about the justice system going after others that are not in office.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (6637) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Absolutely. And an investigation of CPS would be nice at some point. I've heard some disturbing stories recently. What used to be all about the kids seems to have turned into yet another controlling arm of the government.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28452) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

CPS really pisses me OFF. It has never been a good program for children or families and I only ever hear horror stories about them now.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (6637) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Agreed.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28452) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Growing up I knew some kids that were being put through the system - they were sent to my school - I visited the home they were living in - sickening - they were fed next to nothing - and basically kept locked up when they were at the residence pretty much had just the clothes on their backs.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6637) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

That's sad. Sounds like CPS is just another in the long list of programs/departments that needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28452) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

With actual people with actual hearts and more than two working brain cells. I absolutely hate it when you see people with important jobs and all they are doing is marking time while the hours pass on the clock just waiting for the end of another day.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6637) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

"Actual people with actual hearts and more than two working brain cells."

You're asking for a lot all in one package nowadays, don't you think?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28452) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yeah - I have been told that expect a lot from people. My - Bad.


[-] 2 points by gnomunny (3445) from St Louis, MO 10 hours ago

"Actual people with actual hearts and more than two working brain cells."

You're asking for a lot all in one package nowadays, don't you think? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

I considered that possibility and also that he would be disqualified at the last minute. However, at this point I am more inclined to believe they are confident in the racist vote being enough. They spent the last year dusting off the anti-gov racist nuts, preparing for hate to be their golden ticket. If racism is what they count on, it makes sense to not make sense.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6637) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Keith Olbermann made a point about that last August, I believe.