Forum Post: Recall Mayor Bloomberg
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 20, 2011, 11:34 p.m. EST by Socrates469bc
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Bloomberg is a scumbag CEO. You can see how he's manipulated the rules in Zucotti Park to forbid tents after occupiers encamped there.
I can't understand why folks chose a .001 percenter to represent the good city of NY. While I don't agree with implementation of stop and frisk, it seems it would be more effective if there was a financial services version of it for the thieves on wall street. While the police are harassing brown people, Bloomberg's friends are stealing anything that is not nailed down.
Stop and frisk wall street thieves!
Can we frisk their offshore accounts too?
Absolutely - make sure drug lords have not been corrupting them with their laundry money - if for no other reason - like to find Grandmoms retirement money.
Stop and frisk wall street thieves!
Agree - the cops would no doubt find lots of illegal drugs.
folks don't just sign, reply here stating your support. this will keep this thread on top , so more folks get to read it.
Isn't this anti semitism?
Hey, you guys love liberal ideology, he's the perfect candidate for you. He gets involved in what you eat, drink, drive and how you spend your free time. Isn't that your idea of a utopia? Someone telling you how to live? At least that's the way the Liberals run California and look how well it's working out for them.
Just like Obama... you voted him in, now deal with the consequences of your political choices.
I thought republicans elected Bloomberg.? What are you talkin' about?
I'm pretty sure it wasn't just Republicans that voted for him. And that doesn't change his crazy liberal ideology anyway. He's a lib and he governs like one. You should be happy.
"crazy liberal ideology"? Why crazy?
Because I think that Liberal ideology is crazy. Tax the rich even more, so that they cover even more than the 80% of total tax revenue that they already pay, incentivise laziness by letting anyone on the government tit and make it so that they don't ever have to do anything for it, blame others for their own inability to get things done, cater to the environmentalists who prevent foresters from clearing away any undergrowth or infested trees so the entire forest goes up in flames, pray at the altar of a green energy god that's even more elusive and fake than the god the crazy christian Republicans pray at. All in all, ya I think they're crazy.
But if the wealthy suck up 90% of the (sittin behind a desk enriching themselves off the hard work of others) why should they only pay 60% of the tax burden.
liberals are smart enough to embrace the 21st century Green tech, Repubs cater to the 19th century polluting fossil fuel corps. Eventually it will be obvious to you.
Nobody wants anything for free. Thats conservativetalkin points. School (includingcollege) should be paid for by industry. They benefit most. not individual property value . Healthcare should be a profitable industry (like firefighting or policing).
Simple,
"crazy Christian"? You have a lot of intolerance in ya huh?
Open your mind a little. we're all in this together.
The top whatever percent you want to come up with that has all the money has it because they're either smarter than you, or work harder than you, or have a better degree than you. Either way, they've earned it. I don't begrudge people for the wealth they've made for themselves. They should pay the same 30% like most people if you wanna talk fairness. But this society tax structure isn't based on fairness. It's based on what people have and what others don't. And it redistributes it that way.
21st century green tech? LOL why have there been a dozen "green tech" companies go into bankruptcy even with government money? Because it doesn't work yet. Sooner or later it will, maybe, but it doesn't yet. And to think otherwise is stupid.
Really? No one wants anything for free? People on food stamps and welfare and subsedized housing and medicine who could apply themselves to get a job or a better job or buy condoms so that they don't have 9 kids that they can't support don't want stuff for free? You're kidding yourself. Obama realizes this too. Hence why he loosened the restrictions on what qualifies as work to get welfare. He knows that Romney won't beat him if he has enough voters hooked on government crack who are going to vote themselves a paycheck.
Why should college be payed for by industry? What industry would pay for the dipshit liberal hippies getting degrees in women's studies? None. If the ACLU wants to pick up the tab, more power to them. But it should not be subsidized by "industry". It actually is subsidized by industry in the long run. You get a degree, you get a job, you get paid and you pay off those loans. There ya go.
I think that people who run their lives based on a 2000 year old book written in a time when no one could read or write by people who wanted to control other people, and then over the last 2000 years it's been rewritten and stripped of over 1/2 of the original books to be crazy. That's just my take.
And no, you and I aren't in anything together. We live in the same time on the same continent. Nothing more than that connects us. Just like with the healthcare debate. Somehow forcing healthy people to buy something that they wouldn't otherwise need just so that the people mentioned in the 3rd paragraph can afford it? That's some socialism shit if I've ever seen it. I don't care if you or your family dies from not being able to afford healthcare. I really don't. Live, die, either way I don't want to have to "help" you get it.
Your life or death doesn't effect me, and therefor doesn't concern me.
Most of top 1% are lazy, greedy, dishonest exploiters who are notsmarter, and did not work for their money. They inherited it or they scammed others.
Greentech works fine the bankruptcies have more to with the "great recession that your republicans created. It will come no need to argue about it.
Welfare recipienst are not to blame for their situation. Most want to get off, and earn their living. I know that from experience. And Pres Obama loosened the rules because families were being kicked off into this unemployment crises that you republicans created, and have resisted all dem efforts to pass jobs bills.
Well if you don't care about anyone except yourself I guess yuo are a lost 'cause.
Helping others is it's own reward, Disregarding others and the hatred you exhibit is it's own punishment.
Nice comment.
Thank you
Even the Democrats didn't support Obama's jobs bill. Don't you remember when the Repubs called his bluff and said let's vote on it right now and Obama had to back down because he didn't even have support on his side of the aisle?
No I don'r remember that.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/05/obama-s-jobs-bill-vote-blocked-by-reid-over-lack-of-democratic-support.html
Reid had to step in to save Obama. Knd of like he's doing now.
whatever.
Shhh... you're introducing facts in an otherwise factless argument. The Dems don't like those pesky facts.
Seriously? Most 1% are heirs to fortunes? Do a little research. Most millionaires made their money through entrepeneurship and investments.
The recession gets the blame for a lot of stuff... I'd think that a company with 500 Million dollars of government money would be a little more resilient but hey, if it helps your argument right?
Do you even know why companies "create" jobs? Apparently not. Let me explain to you how business creates jobs.
A man walks into a store and wants a widget. He pays money for that widget and the person selling the widget makes a profit. If more people want the widget, the person selling them will need more of them, and will need help stocking the shelves. If he has enough people stocking the shelves he doesn't need to hire anyone.
Businesses hire people when there is a need for them. Not because the government gives a $4000 tax credit that is used up on training and forms and everything else getting the person hired before they even do any work at all.
Passing a jobs bill won't create jobs. It uses more debt to funnel money to unions which then funnel it back to politicians.
I do care about people other than myself. My family and friends. You on the other hand are nothing to me. I don't know you and I don't care to.
I don't hate anyone, I just don't give a shit about you or your family. That's your job. Do it so I don't have to subsidize your shit.
businesses WiLL hire when the working/middle class consumer demand returns. That is why we must cut taxes/debt for working/middle class americans.
Greentech- Just add a penalty for the pollution created by fossil fuels and see how quick we all start buying that widget!
Passing a jobs Bill (infrastructure, tax cuts for consumers/small bus, greentech, retain 1st responders/techers)) will absolutely create/retain American jobs.
America is a countrythat is a caring country. Selfishness and greed leads to destruction.
Well, from your post I'd have to say that you grew up a pampered little shit, who never had to struggle to survive. Your post illustrates why every generation should be forced to live in the ghetto, because if you were forced to live or die by your choices in life, you would never be so callous. Do your off spring a favor and leave them nothing in your will, or else they might just grow up like you.
I grew up in a shack where my mom worked 3 jobs to keep food on the table. I wasn't given anything unless it was hand-me-downs. I do have to live with my choices and unlike most (I'd assume you) I do what I have to do to make ends meet. I pay my bills and work my ass off and rarely ever ask anyone for help with anything. I know what it is to sacrifice and to suffer and I do both regularly.
So much for your assumptions huh jackass?
I'm callous because I realize that no one is going to give me anything unless I earn it for myself. I'm old enough to remember the stigma associated with food stamps and welfare and unemployment. Nowadays there is no stigma. There should be. If you're on any of those programs you should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself and working tirelessly to get off them and get your life in gear. But hey, I guess what works for me (hard work) doesn't work for everyone else.
Well then, I am sorry to hear that you learned all the wrong lessons in life. maybe you should have been more understanding of those in the same situation as you. but from the sound of your post you despised those who had to struggle to make ends meat.
It sounds like you allowed what others think to sharpen your understanding of reality. Sure there is a stigmatization that goes with food stamps. maybe that is why the working class should not be subjected to such stigmas. A lot of the people i grew up with had parents who worked and still had to draw on food stamps to survive. I don't blame them; I blame the people who hired them for chump change and left them to fend for themselves.
You on the other hand, seem to have learned to hate what you were born into. That is something I've learned about Conservatives from talking with you guys on this forum. Your understanding never allows you to see past your own experiences. People are not on food stamps because they are shitty workers, they are on foodstamps because others are free to offer slave wages for hours rendered. Just because you are hard working enough to make it does not mean everyone is so lucky. If you don't believe me, ask your mother.
My moms a republican. I'm a libertarian.
I learned from watching my mother work her ass off that it is possible to survive when you're destitute. You just have to work your ass off. Something that carries it's own stigma nowadays.
Shouldn't you be smart enough to know that political rhetoric is nothing more than assumptions and innuendo. Those making the assumptions are usually the ones lucky enough to not have had to live with the realities. Those who embrace the assumptions are usually the ones too stupid to critically evaluate the information being presented to them.
Whether you want to admit it or not, we are all products of our environment. It is our experiences in life that dictate are perception. I'm sorry that your experiences have made you despise those you grew up with.
I guess you illustrate what really went wrong with capitalism. It used to be about manipulating the worst aspects of man, now we are all supposed to embrace them. The government was tasked with playing greed against greed not partaking in the plunder. What a shame.
But hey, it's not so surprising that a system devised to harness the worst characteristics of man, pride, envy and greed, would one day be the system's undoing. In fact, It is quite poetic.
"I guess you illustrate what really went wrong with capitalism. It used to be about manipulating the worst aspects of man, now we are all supposed to embrace them."
Only If they are wealthy.
Why do you keep assuming that I somehow hate poor people? I'm where I am today because I put myself here. What have I said that somehow made it seem like I don't believe that? I illustrate what really went wrong with capitalism? What in the hell are you talking about?
Look dude, I don't know if you're in china and your web page is mis translating what I'm typing or what, but I don't hate poor people. Hell, I live paycheck to paycheck too. Who doesn't? What I'm saying is, I'm sick of lazy bitches sucking off of the system knowing full well that they could do something with their lives, but they're taking the easy road collecting a living from the government.
If you can't afford college? Join the military. Can't afford food? Why? It's not that expensive, and if you shop smart you can really stretch your money. Need more money? Get a 2nd job.
What I'm saying is, there are ways to get by aside from getting a check from the Govt. I realize that some people lose their job and just for some reason can't get another one. I know a lot of people are trying, but I know that a lot aren't.
Oddly enough, it's the greed and pride of politicians making promises to people that will be our undoing. 16 TRILLION dollars in debt will be our undoing.
And some people wouldn't call those the worst characteristics. Pride makes you feel good about achieving. If you have something wrong with you that makes you feel bad about achieving because others haven't then I don't know what to tell you. See a shrink?
Envy can drive people to work harder to get things. If my neighbor has a nice pool and all I have is a plastic kiddy pool, I might be envious enough to say "hmm... guess I'll work hard and save and maybe get a pool like his."
Greed? Wanting more money isn't bad. I want more money. Hell I want a lot more money. And I'll get more when I get around to getting it.
Don't blame others if you don't have a great life. Like you almost said, we are where we put ourselves. Or was it me that said that? Anyway, I'm not rich because I haven't made myself rich. I'm not poor because I know how to make ends meet, and I have the drive enough to keep a job and not spend all of my money.
Relying on envy and greed to motivate everyone to work for survival is a bad path for the future.
I recently believed lazy people taking government handouts were our biggest problem. Now I know that wasn't true. A much bigger problem is the plundering of our nations wealth by sophistication, with greed amuck.
Where as you are making silly accusations about my love of life, I am only reacting to your own words. Yeah, I'd say from your post that you do hate poor people. And we can leave it at that.
"And no, you and I aren't in anything together. We live in the same time on the same continent. Nothing more than that connects us. Just like with the healthcare debate. Somehow forcing healthy people to buy something that they wouldn't otherwise need just so that the people mentioned in the 3rd paragraph can afford it? That's some socialism shit if I've ever seen it. I don't care if you or your family dies from not being able to afford healthcare. I really don't. Live, die, either way I don't want to have to "help" you get it."
I don't hate poor people. I'll boil down what I meant in the quote so you can understand it a little better:
I'M POOR TOO AND I DONT WANT SOMEONE TELLING ME I HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY THAT I DONT HAVE JUST SO YOU CAN GO TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE I DONT CARE IF YOU LIVE OR DIE.
Got it?
You people on here are so dense... trying to get you to consider any idea that doesn't align with your radical hippy beliefs is almost impossible. But that's what I've come to expect from the trash on this board.
is it not amazing that those that survive ate still here
You sound like Craig T. Nelson
How can you have such disdain for the social safety net that you needed to survive your youth?
That's the thing. We didn't use any social safety net. Like I said before, my mom worked 3 jobs to put spaghetti on the table, and hand-me-down clothes on both of our backs.
It looks like that time she spent working her fingers to the bone could have been time spent teaching you a little compassion. My mom raised me on food stamps while using financial aid to attend college. Maybe if your mother would have been a little less prideful, you would not be such an ass.
Your mom's pride is what made your life so unbearable. You would not want to wish that on others. would you? My mom was the first one in our family to graduate college. I was the second. Both of us are humble enough to ask for help when needed.
No one I have ever met has ever used the social safety net as a hammock.
I've had relatives on both sides of that coin. My niece used welfare and food stamps after her child was born ONLY until her daughter entered school. The proper use of assistance, I think. My sister, on the other hand, had to be kicked off because she was simply too lazy to get a job. She was still on assistance when he daughter was a teenager, which was ridiculous.
This comment, by the way, was in no way a defense of JonFromSLC, who sounds like a cold-hearted prick.
Sorry if someone has too much pride to ask for a handout... actually, no I'm not. I wish there were more people willing to work 3 jobs instead of relying on other peoples' hard work to survive.
My life isn't unbearable. I'm happy with my life. Thanks for assuming something about someone you don't know. That's what I've come to expect from people on this website.
Congrats to you and your mom for graduating college.
So since you've never met anyone who used the safety net as a hammock you think that no one does? Why do you think Clinton reformed welfare in the 90s? People were using it as a hammock, and were getting rewarded for having child after child after child. That's not the way it should be.
You forget your origins - or you lie about them - why? - you said it your self - you did not want to be on aid food stamps - very few do. The reality is many are forced to be because the world has gotten very sick and people are not paid what they should be for the work that they do - so even if you are employed you may still need food stamps and medical aid and housing aid and heating aid to get by. I do not know how old you are but this world has been going down hill for the last 50 years and longer. Thing is it has gotten so nasty that people are being forced to live on the streets - numbers of people like never before. You are either a clueless asshole or a liar. I tend to think that you may be both.
BTW - funny comment about there being no conservatives back in the 30's - LMFAO
Why would I lie about my origins? I'm not a Democrat.
I'm just a bait salesman myself
care for a worm?
What would that have to do with anything. I expect you may be like your hero mittens a liar who lies about their lies. {:-])
Uh my hero mittens? WTF does that mean?
Ah the one legged man at the ass kicking contest is confused? I will let you think about it.
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i can help you start a business online, its my plan for helping the 99% take this country back, as corporations continue to pay billions on buildings, we can sneak in with little or no overhead from our homes and offer selection and quality again. Plus I live in the same city as you. I helped one guy start an online lawn mowing business and hes doing alright.
You got a problem with liberals?
Ya. Republicans too. Both parties have put us on a path to ruin from which we cannot escape.
The problems we have are from conservative policies like repealing Glass Steagal (and other regulations), cutting wealthy taxes, expensive wars, tinkle down economics! Not Social Security, Healthcare, or Drink size.
Are you kidding?
hummm about glass-steagal that was clinton not conservatives
Think that might have been slick saying thank you for letting him remain in office?
Ha!. That was Clintons signature on a CONSERVATIVE policy.
You must be smart enough to know that it is conservatives who want fewer fin regulations, (they did water down the dem fin reform bill, and have promised to repeal it right)
And Liberal/progressives that want more fin regulations right?
I don't have to explain these basic facts of our 2 parties do I?
Peace
Republicans ARE the problem. Elect progressives
Glass steagall was created in the 30's... The parties aren't the same as they were. There were no "conservatives" in the 30's. And it was partially repealed in 99 under Clinton. Not a conservative. I agree that the wealthy should pay more in taxes. But I also realize that there is a LOT of fraud/waste/abuse in the system. The fact that your boy Obama changed the welfare reform bill, also created by Clinton, so that people could not work and still receive it shows you exactly what he's trying to do. Get more people on the government tit so that he can get more voters to vote in their paychecks by supporting him. 49% of the country gets a "tax refund" ie free money at the expense of those who get a bill. If we're going to tax the rich more (which I'm all for) we should tax everyone more.
No you don't rob from the shoe shine boy if you want money! You rob the bank, "'cause thats where the money is" Willie Sutton.
And it is batty to suggest that there wer "no conservatives" in the '30's. What is that some kinda joke. LMFAO. what a joke.
In 99 Clinton signed the conservative repeal of Glass steagal. Conservative want fewer regulations, progressives want more. No?
You do know that much right?
Pres Obama is trying to get more people to work. Repubs are doing everything they can to prevent, delay, filibuster, water down any and all efforts to get Americans back to work, because repubs don't want a strong recovery while a dem is Pres.
The traitorous republicans ARE the problem. Elect progressives.
"want" and "do" are two very different things when talking about Washington DC.
No conservatives in the 30's ? Really?
During the Great Depression, other conservatives participated in the taxpayers' revolt at the local level. From 1930 to 1933, Americans formed as many as 3,000 taxpayers' leagues to protest high property taxes. These groups endorsed measures to limit and rollback taxes, lowered penalties on tax delinquents, and cuts in government spending. A few also called for illegal resistance (or tax strikes). The best known of these was led by the Association of Real Estate Taxpayers in Chicago which, at its height, had 30,000 dues-paying members.
Conservative - Conservapedia
[-] -1 points by JonFromSLC (303) from West Valley City, UT 6 hours ago
Glass steagall was created in the 30's... The parties aren't the same as they were. There were no "conservatives" in the 30's. And it was partially repealed in 99 under Clinton. Not a conservative. I agree that the wealthy should pay more in taxes. But I also realize that there is a LOT of fraud/waste/abuse in the system. The fact that your boy Obama changed the welfare reform bill, also created by Clinton, so that people could not work and still receive it shows you exactly what he's trying to do. Get more people on the government tit so that he can get more voters to vote in their paychecks by supporting him. 49% of the country gets a "tax refund" ie free money at the expense of those who get a bill. If we're going to tax the rich more (which I'm all for) we should tax everyone more. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink
They do make up some pretty funny stuff, don't they?
I don't think this guy even bothers to look at the cover of a history book. Well see here now my papy's papy's papy was.............and he said that........and further..........
You really gotta stop drinking that lake water it is poisoning your mind.
Still have nothing to say huh? Doesn't surprise me.
Don't you like receiving what you give - in return?
Are you starting your own personal internal salt mine by drinking all of that lake water?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Man I just don't know what to say to you. It's almost like trying to talk politics with a 3 year old. They don't make any sense whatsoever, and no matter what you say your point will never get across.
I guess that would be another good point for you to stop drinking the lake water and sitting out in the sun too long. I can't help you with your perception if you don't 1st help your self.
My perception is that you're an immature punk that wants to portray yourself as some super enlightened mind when in all actuality you're a nit wit. When you don't have anything of value to add to the conversation, you come up with 1 liners that you think are hilarious but just like you, they're stupid and there's no need for them to exist.
OOO Harsh. But your perception seems to be really faulty so no biggy. {:-])
Let me get this straight. OWS wants to recall the big Liberal RINO Mayor Bloomberg? A year ago He was the same old RINO jerk off he is now but you Libs weren't floating a petition back then or anytime prior. No you were voting for this Liberal jack ass. Now you're singing a different tune just cause he fucked with your precious little Kingdoms of Sodom and Gomorrah. You are all such disingenuous retches. What other Liberal Icons will you turn your rage on next? Actually I don't give a damn,I'm enjoying the show so dog eat dog all you want.
Um, not that your shitty troll comment is worth a reply, and not that this has anything to do with OWS or anything else that matters, but Bloomberg has been the scourge of liberals for at least seven years, since he brought the Republican National Convention to NYC.
So why didn't you petition a recall before? Why did you keep voting for him?
I've lived in several big cities and I've noticed that mayors have unbelievable staying power, even when they're complete losers and no one actually likes them, voters will return them to office again and again. It's "machine politics" and I'm not deep enough into local politics to know if that's just a polite way of saying "rigged" or whether it's more subtle + people being sheep and pulling the lever for the familiar name.
That's the million dollar question.
I did not vote for him last time. Did you? No problem if you did. As a voter you are always free to change your mind. After all how often have we voters voted people into office only to find out that they don't do what they promised? So there's nothing wrong with changing your mind about a candidate.
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