Forum Post: Real news about Iran
Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 23, 2012, 7:09 p.m. EST by thoreau42
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You won't hear about this in the mainstream media. Probably because the mainstream media is paid by all the politicians (that's republicans AND democrats) to focus on superfluous issues.
Read it if you dare... http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/121613.html
Paul Festival: We Proudly Announce Lew Rockwell!
July 9, 2012
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Joins Jerry Doyle, Walter Block, Larry Pratt, Jordan Page & Tatiana Moroz
CHICAGO, IL- On Friday, Paul Festival announced the addition of Lew Rockwell and additional high-profile individuals to their growing list of speakers. They unveiled radio host Jerry Doyle, Second Amendment advocate Larry Pratt, and author Walter Block. Paul Festival is promoting the run of Presidential candidate Ron Paul and will bring together a number of independent minded organizations. It will will be held at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa, Florida from August 24th through August 26th.
“These individuals are renowned for their independent thinking,” said Paul Festival’s Bryan Siemon. “They have proven their willingness to speak up for liberty against the political establishment.”
“This event will unify people with the message of liberty just like Ron Paul has done throughout his lifetime,” said Rockwell. “I firmly believe we can and will change the political discourse in this country through open and honest dialog.” The event will also feature musicians Jordan Page & Tatiana Moroz.
“Ron Paul has consistently stood up for individual liberty even at times when it was not popular,” said Page. “This will be an event that no liberty advocate can afford to miss.”
These four men add to an already growing list of well established speakers, authors and political celebrities. Historian Thomas Woods, former CIA Officer Michael Scheuer and financial analyst and former U.S. Senate candidate Peter Schiff have all been confirmed to speak.
To learn more about Paul Festival, click here.
"Freedom, socialism, and unity".... Muammar Gaddafi, 1969. Can someone explain to me again why we removed this stark raving mad hero of the Libyan people for over four decades? I'm just not getting it.
"The decision by Mrs. Clinton was based in part on the recent cooperation of the group, in completing a move of more than 3,000 of its members from its longtime location in Iraq, Camp Ashraf, said two officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity in advance of an official announcement."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/world/middleeast/iranian-opposition-group-mek-wins-removal-from-us-terrorist-list.html
Can you explain to me why we support a humanitarian effort in Libya but not in Syria?
Are we referring to aerial bombing as "humanitarian effort" now?
What does that have to do with the MeK?
I don't know; it's appears as posted as another "convert" project. There are so many opposing factions in the upper echelons it's just ridiculous. I mean you have Obama whom I see as basically as an anti-imperialist; you have the Clintons, chasing the money [anywhere] at all costs; you have staunch Republicans saying America the Superpower 'till the end of time; the Zionists... and then you have 300 mil. Americans sitting back saying, WTF? There is nothing of a coherent nature here that any of us can relate to.
Except that nations such as China and South Korea, and various other Third World nations, who have embraced our model are growing at fantastic rate.
Yeah, I can tell you why. Because he gave up his nuclear weapons. We don't steal resources from countries with nuclear weapons, or bully them around, which is why Iran wants them, and why we don't want them to get them.
Gaddafi got flim-flammed. We'll see how this unfolds after November.
I don't know if this was a "we" decision, it appears it was an Obama/ Clinton decision; the question is why? Obviously they see the Muslim world as polarizing to a purpose.
classic "divide and conquer". If they are busy fighting each other, they won't unite for their own purpose and resist yankee invaders.
OMG! It's so impossible for me to believe that my holy democrat leaders could be complicit in this! I have nothing to say! Obama 2012!
There, I responded for the majority of you.
Somebody took it way beyond even that. Look down at the bottom where one of the Obamabots is accusing all Libertarians of being part of a vast conspiracy orchestrated by the Koch brothers, which of course invalidates all Libertarian ideas. Including the article that you posted, which he didn't even read.
He managed to combine two logical fallacies into one fascinating ball of judgement error. He took "Hasty Generalization" and combined it with "Ad Hominem" in a way that almost borders on performance art.
Facts are inconsequential to those who worship at the Church of the State.
Yeah, it couldn't possibly be real, eh?
Poor little innocent Kochs. Just honest businessmen tying to get along.
You should learn what the rest of World is finding out.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/apr/08/koch-brothers-lobbying
And who is Goldman Sachs supporting?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbykzqJ6ens&feature=related
These guys......;)
Awesome - copied and posted on the Fracking Protest Post.
I found it funny, yet poignant.
It's a very catchy tune - should do well with the public - don'cha think? {:-])
Very cute. Kochblocked - LOL
While that was a cool video
the correct answer is Romney and Obama and many many members of congress.
See you discredit the entire libertarian movement by claiming "Kochs"
By using that theory the entire democrat and republican party are discredited as well because "Goldman Sachs"
Fuck the Kochs. Also I am not a libertarian.
OK then.
Teabagge(R)s?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsgFdOWGKTU&feature=related
I refuse to support people working for wars, insanely high prison populations, spying on Americans, and those working with the banks and the kochs.
If they fall into any category listed above... they will never have my support. I've put my foot down.
You can vote for more indefinite detention laws, bombs, Goldman Sachs, spying on Americans, drugs laws, insanely high prison populations, etc... you can do that if you want to.
Just don't expect me to vote for someone that supports laws that put people like me in prison.
So then, you're a pirate??
http://pirate-party.us/
I'm a good and honest American that works hard and pays taxes.
I do not support any party affiliation.
I support people and ideas.
OIC
Non committal.
Stick strictly with adages.
How's that work, anyway?
Why dont you let people do their own thing, instead of having to label everything?
Mr. Call the 99% asses???
You have the nerve to even say that?
FRAUD you are.
Go back to your John Birch site, I'm sure they have a heavily monitored forum, just for you.
Man, your memory sucks. Start takin the seeds out of that shit dude. Here we go again-
Creationsim vs evolution is something that will have very little effect on anyone's life. How we got here was somthing to worry about centuries ago. Continually lowering the quality of education is the real issue here, of which neither party has the balls to do what is needed.
Your voter purge is going to affect a very very small percentage of people. Forcing people to register, and not allowing felons to vote are 1000's of times more suppressive, which both parties back.
The abortion issue- its a supreme court decision. The states can tinker with it all they want, they will never get it overturned. This issue should be a none issue. The Republicans keep fucking with it because they are morons.
So while the entire nation goes down the toilet at warp speed due to both parties endorsing fascist policy, we should focus on some states messing with abortion legislation?
Teaching creationism will have no effect??
You lose. It will.
Two separate issues and the voter purges WILL have an effect, there is no doubt. You should have actually read the MANY posts on the subject.
Plus it's based on a fallacy perpetrated by the (R)epelican'ts.
I thought you didn't like that sort of thing?
States rights bullshit, eh? I wonder what "party" is pushing that as an excuse? hint, hint, It's 2 parties, both of whom Ron Paul ascribes to.
So yeah, while your going on pointless repetitive rants about how the 99% are asses, this stuff is having an affect on REAL peoples everyday lives.....This very instant.............
The Masses Are Asses? You didnt like that thread? You dont like saying that people have to be insane to endorse this current system?
Want to tone it down a bit? Perhaps we should go with The Masses Are Not Doing Enough. Would that make you happy?
You certainly are obsessed with that link I posted. Its a sad little life you live, to grab ahold of something so silly and minor, and use such hatred with it.
A fraud is someone who voted for more war, but says they are antiwar. Thats you, shoozer.
Obama has murdered more people than all other Nobel Peace Prize winners, combined. That makes him the best, right???
You find insulting the 99% inconsequential?
I don't.
You want to change that title after the fact?
That too would be a fraud, and it wouldn't change the body of your message of hate.
You won't be spinning it back on me.
You like to call the 99% sheep too.
That term is something of a Beckism, a term used often by the "right"
How sensitive of you.
How insightful.
There's differences, its just that the level of screwing you get from each one is so large, its meaningless.
Their main goal is a different marketing message, to keep people who arent really that politically savy in the fold. People like you.
So please tell me.
What, if you are correct, does the "marketing" of creationism have to do with it?
How does the "marketing" of voter purges fit in?
How about the 900+ bills written by "one side" that limit womens rights?
I know I've asked you this before, but you have never addressed it in the least.
Indeed, it usually resulted in you calling me names.
Your obsession is clearly to obstruct change. Why else would you make the connection that someone who posted a link from a facebook posting was a "Bircher" whatever the hell that is.
See this is the problem with you Shooz- you just dont get it. You think that you can repeat a lie enough times, it will become truth. That works on a lot of people, but not all. I bet you used to be a politician didnt you?
You must be a real joy to live with. Assuming this and that till you are blue in the face. Making shit up. And absolutely ZERO of your own credentials to give any of validity.
No dude. It's Beckism Teabagge(R)ism. The tribe has spoken.
If you don't 100% love Obama and you think anything he does is wrong in anyway that means you are the same as Glenn Beck and the Kochs. Did you not get the memo?
Obama had a gun pointed at him when the repubs forced him to vote YES on the Patriot Act and FISA amendments Act. Didn't you see the photographic proof? The repubs forced him to vote YES on the TARP bailouts too. They forced him to drops all those bombs in all those countries too. Gun point dude. Photographic proof.
LOL
LOL
You mean like your lie about duality. The one that claims there is NO difference?
The one you still repeat, in spite of evidence to the contrary?
Shall I do a little research and find some more?
You should stick with calling the 99% asses and sheep. Like you're the BIG dog..
It suits you just fine.
No one cares who founded the Birch Society, or who they are, etc. At least I dont. You seem to be quite obsessed though. Which isnt healthy. Do you obsess like this with your friends?
You're the one who quotes from the site.
The obsession is yours.
My obsession is with the truth.
Here, read it again, since you ignored it the first time.
http://exiledonline.com/a-peoples-history-of-koch-industries-how-stalin-funded-the-tea-party-movement/
More cute little names from someone who specializes in.....wait for it....Cute Little Names!!
You should get together with the Republicans on the internet that call liberals "libtards" and demonrats...See how big of a list you can make.
We can call it: The MAsses are Asses, and here is the Proof!!! HAHHAAHHAHAH
Hey Fraud Man!!
Look who founded the John Birch Society.
http://exiledonline.com/a-peoples-history-of-koch-industries-how-stalin-funded-the-tea-party-movement/
So now calling the people "sheep" is something of the right too eh? You manage to put a label on everything, very telling of your baseline of reasoning.
Label and marginalize, just like the media did to us. People who think like you do are never leaders of change. They pretend to be cheerleaders, but even that is usually questionable.
So for you that's not labeling.
Calling teabagge(R)s, teabagge(R)s, is the thing that counts as labeling.
You're so full shit.
Yes, those things you mentioned are having an effect. The depression that everyone is currently living in from bipartisan legislation is having a much, much greater one. The innocent lives lost in the wars dwarfs these things you list. The manipulation of food prices dwarfs these things. People losing their ability to provide for their family dwarfs these things.
Making registration part of the deal, and not allowing felons to vote dwarfs the current purge. Its a tidal wave. You lose.
I think the Republicans need to just leave the abortion issue alone. It is a great wedge issue though, great at keeping the public divided.
Only a fool couldnt see that. Are you a fool? Are you one of the asses? That think for some reason if you cling to a dream long enough it may become true some day?
I'm sorry.
The state the World is in was created by neoliobe(R)tarians.
You give our political hacks far too much credit.
Step out of the box young man and enjoy the light.
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Republicans 2-1.
Obama is still their highest financed candidate actually.
Nope. Just more anti Obama partisan campaign lies from you.
2 -1 republicans!
it's actually a fact. They gave his campaign over a million dollars in 2008. Which is more than they've given to any candidate.
You should fact check it.
And no doubt... they do fund repubs. No argument there. The pubs are in the pockets of the 1% too
2008 is a long time ago.
Goldman sachs is giving political contributions 2 -1 to REPUBLICANS!.
Do your own checking! Just get up to the present, and you will find that the Wall st criminals are scared shit that the dems will correct the watered down Dodd Frank that your republicans have delayed & vowed to repeal.
I say your repubs because you always leave out anything negative about the repubs and now you are pushing some fact from the past as a truth in the present when it ain't!.
If where Goldman sachs money goes matters then how come you ain't sayin honestly that they are giving it 2 -1 to republicans.? Protecting repubs?
Because you a partisan republican spewing some false anti obama political attack.
Transparent!
Again I am not a republican.
I just do not support warmongers that also support incarcerating the largest civilian population on the planet.
Meaning i do not support 95% of politician hacks
Oops we have now left your inaccurate goldman sachs contribution attack and gone to your old chestnut war monger.
Republicans created the fear mongering 11 years ago when they exploited the 9/11 attacks. They continue that effort, by pressuring Obama (who continues to successfully resist) to invade Iran. They have begun the war mongering attack that Pres Obama is weak on terrorism/defense.
The republicans are the fear mongering/war mongering party. Pres Obama still stands against them. You never criticize the real enemies of peace and constitution freedom because you are a partisan republican.
I am against the drone bombings, and the constitutional violations that Pres Obama has failed to end.
Pres Obama WILL end these things. The war mongering repubs will expand them.
How many countries do you have to bomb and surround with warships before you're a warmonger?
Is it 8 countries? Because this president has bombed 5 outside of Iraq and has warships playing war games in the Straight of Hormuz preparing for a war with Iran.
again I must point out Romney and Obama agree about a military option still being possible against Iran.
The forum mascot up to his usual tricks?
By your definition every pres since FDR, save maybe Carter, is a warmonger. All you Lizardarians are so obviously here to foment hatred against O.
the US has not had a decade without being at war
Please. Pres Obamahas ended wars and reduced US military killing from 1 million+ to thousands.
He will end all these republican military adventures, and repeal the republican created constitutional violations, AND get us on ourway to eliminate ALL nuclear weapons.
The repubs. YOUR repubs (cause you are still one sided in your criticism) will only expand these problems.
Obama actually escalated Afghanistan with his surge. That's a strange thing for an anti-war activist to do.
Who is an anti war activist.? Pres Obama? Who said that? Not me! He ain't. He can't be President in this right wing wacko country if he were. Right?
And the surge is over. We still got 60K troops and they will be brought home next year. Pres Obama WILL end all the repub military crimes, WILL repeal the repub constitutinal violations and get us on the road to eliminating ALL nuclear weapons.
Repubs will only expand all these things.
I'm not sure if sticking your fingers in your ears and not paying any attention to what other people are saying can be classified within the taxonomy of logical fallacies. You would be going for three, if so. You never even glanced at the original article that this whole page is about, and you have absolutely no apologies for that. If that were a classified logical fallacy then I think that it would have to be called "Willful Ignorance".
You never did tell what your $30 word is for those that ignore the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTUjYyae2zw&feature=related
Will you be calling me a useful idiot any time soon?
If I were to go around calling people names like you, then it would make me look bad. But if I point out your bigotry and hasty generalizations and ad hominem attacks and the fact that you didn't even bother to read the article before you launched into all of that stuff, then that makes you look bad instead.
Still having issues with accurate question understanding and the the required answering?
Try some more truth.
Some have said it will set you free.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/20/1101616/-Libertarians-Liars-and-Hypocrites
Maybe...........At least in your case.
So what do you think about the MeK? How do you feel about a Democrat doing that?
Welcome to the wonderful, neolibe(R)tarian world of CU.
Now will you at least attempt to answer some of the questions I've asked of you?
Or comment on any number of the facts I've presented to you?
Here's another one for you.
http://exiledonline.com/a-peoples-history-of-koch-industries-how-stalin-funded-the-tea-party-movement/
Please note who founded the John Birch Society.
Keep in mind that apples don't fall too far from the tree.
So you're so focused on this right-hate that you never even glanced at the article that you commented on, and now you're trying to take this off into some conspiracy theory about the far right. Even though nobody is even slightly interested in discussing that with you, and even though the article that you commented about has nothing to do with that.
Actually I looked it up rather than take the word of a known spin doctor.
Just because my answer did not respond to the spin doesn't mean it was inaccurate.
Quite the opposite.
If you think that the original article is "spin", then what do you think about the MeK? What is your opinion about that key decision by a Democrat?
I gave it already.
Must everything be repeated umpteen times ?
You have not commented on the original article one time. But you have repeated your lunatic ravings about how everybody in the world who disagrees with you is secretly working for the Koch brothers. You're acting like a dog chasing cars next to the highway. They go whizzing by and you have no idea what's inside of them but you bark bark bark bark bark each time it happens anyway, with no real idea why.
Yes I did.
You just missed it and now you want to insult me for your mistake.
But I won't repeat it, so you'll most likely toss yet another insult my way.
It's what you do..
Lew Rockwell?
Really?
Former chief of staff for Ron Paul?
Really??
1-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
2-you'll notice it was posted on the blog by somebody who is not Lew Rockwell, he has a variety of people who he posts and publishes on his site.
3- repeating "really?" like a teenage girl doesn't add to one's credibility or intellectual fortitude.
4- either it's true or it's not. Is it true? Is it not? Do you have any facts? Please move along, ass.
Shall I start posting stuff from James Carville?
Talk about a bunch of partisan campaign bullshit.
Insults only make you look ineffectual. So I don't really mind.
Most folks are likely unaware of Rockwells ties.
And yes. Sources matter.
It's not ad hominem, Wanna talk about the "newsletters"?
This is one of the guys who helped Ron make stuff up about his ties to that too.
He's a FUCKIN' spin doctor. Glad to see you are so easily infatuated.
He was pointing out that you're committing the logical fallacy called "ad hominem" by attacking the source instead of the message.
You and he, just attack or ignore the truth, so what's the $30 word for that?
The World knows the truth about (R)epelicant's.
What do you call denial, in your $30 word world?
http://truth-out.org/news/item/11698-on-the-news-with-thom-hartmann-the-republican-party-is-a-joke-to-the-rest-of-the-world-and-more
You ignored the article that he posted and responded based on its source. That's a logical fallacy. An error in judgement. You're responding to something without even knowing what you're responding to, because you never even looked.
Ron Paul's former chief of staff is a spin doctor.
That's all he is. Nothing more.
Why would I want to pay any attention to him at all?
I know he's a spin doctor. You do know what that is?
Do you know what a logical fallacy is?
Yes, you.
Don't you know what avoiding the truth is?
That's also you.
You did notice that the Australians think the greatest economic threat to the world is the (R)epelican'ts?
Just one of the many truths you've ignored, and just went on with your bullshit.
A dominant political ideology in Australia is actually the Third Way, which is a rejection of your obsession with the left/right dichotomy. You definitely could learn a few things from Australians.
I notice that you're still not talking about the MeK. You're totally preoccupied with your fight against your Satan (Republicans) that you still don't have any idea what the original article was about. A lot of people didn't read that article just like you didn't. But most people who didn't read it did not feel compelled to comment on it. You did. Even though you didn't read it. You dismissed it without reading it because your prejudices won't even allow you to glance at it. That's really sad, that such a closed-minded person would go around waving the "liberal" and "progressive" flags.
People have been reading for thousands of years. Not reading is progress, apparently.
Talking about a zombie apocalypse... it could be 2012 :(.
The zombie apocalypse is already here. shooz is in the vanguard. But don't worry, they're easily distracted by television screens and shiny objects, and they're usually so fat, out of shape, and unable to focus that escaping won't be a problem. The only real problem is that THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!
If Australia allows real access to 3rd parties I certainly support their approach here.
I am familiar with their mandatory voting for all eligible citizens. We most definitely will benefit from that! I think the 1% fear that the most.
How do you feel about mandatory voting for all eligible citizens?
I'm personally not generally in favor of mandatory anything for citizens, but it does seem to have a positive effect in countries that work that way.
What does this have to do with the MeK?
Obviously nothing.
My Australia comment was in response to your Australia comment.
I didn't ask what your Australia comment had to do with MeK! I rather discuss the issue.
In regards to MeK: From what I've heard, including the article in this post they appear to be a shady extremist Iranian group that certain western groups use to further their devious goals in Iran at least, and maybe beyond. I do not support removing them from the naughty list, And I suspect the change is related to military escalation/saber rattling going on over Iran.
Ok?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/world/middleeast/iranian-opposition-group-mek-wins-removal-from-us-terrorist-list.html
Thx. great article.
So your against removing MeK fr the naughty list.? And do you have any opinion on my comments regarding Mek?
i think i have a new friend
You still keep leaving off the libe(R)tarians.
You really think they have no say.
You ignore their roots and realities.
I don't live in a box. I live in the World.
The "duality" is just another BIG big lie.
"Their roots"? This I have to hear. Please tell me your conspiracy theory that explains why libertarians are evil.
The Koch brothers ties to modern libe(R)tarianism are legion and legendary. as well as their ties to the teabagge(R)s.
You can deny it if you like, but that will only demonstrate your lack of knowledge..
Here's one guys take, since you hate Aussies as well as Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTdrgjMvh-U
It's truly fascinating how you think that everybody who is not a Democrat is part of the vast, Koch-brothers conspiracy.
Naw. Just the easily led libe(R)tarians.
They couldn't even keep the truth off of wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers
You see, it's not a theory, no matter how hard you try and think it is..
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One thing is clear, they are not here in support.
Here's an example of an early post from our new literary genius.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/dont-worry-racism-is-alive-and-well-at-occupy-seat/
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Isn't he though?
Clever with words. Likely still in college.
There's a lot of cracks in his premisses, but he is quick with the spackle.
Meth?
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