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Forum Post: Real men build

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 15, 2012, 10:12 a.m. EST by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL
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We do not live in a culture of violence, we live in a culture of destruction, which includes violence. The destruction of families by the system and by poverty, destruction of the earth, destruction of civilizations, we play video games of destruction, we listen to music that tells us to fight and kill over petty arguments and chump change, our government has become a destructive force. The pentagon, which specializes in destruction has the biggest share of our national spending.

I don't care if you're gay, or if this offends you because you are a woman. Women create through birth. Men create with their hands. It has always been and will always be. When we forget that, we forget how to be human beings. Of course men and women can share in duties and rights, but the one thing you have to offer the world as a man, is to build. To create things. Without this, who will build what is needed for new life, for a comfortable life? Destruction brings nothing and takes everything. Man up, not by grabbing a gun or being a tough guy, but by offering something to this world.

This is the narrative we should be selling our young men. As it stands, we have very little to offer our young men to offset the destructive behavior they are sold and have pushed on them day after day. Where is the counter offer?

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[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

so many from florida!
amazing!
scary!
now I understand how rick scott got elected

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Wow. that is one fact packed and profound comment. I envy your intellect.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Men are responsible for all destruction. Women create more than men ever could dream of. The building of physical structures men have monopolized pales in comparison to the creations women are responsible for.

Men create inferior structures in a vane weak attempt at competing with the truly great meaningful creations of women.

And today, women are taking their rightful place as equally talented architects, designers, even builders.

But men will never be able to carry child, and many are still stuck in Neanderthal, sexist thought to appreciate the real value and true building that women provide our society.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Then go stand your ass outside in the snow since men create sub-par "creations". Sexist ass bitch.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You have much anger in you. Do you own guns? What does standing in the snow prove.? Women can design/build houses.

There ain't nothing men can do that women can't. But men can't carry a baby.

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

I have seen my children born. It looks pretty damn painful. I think I will let you keep that privilege:)

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I have seen my child born too. That is why I give women all the credit they deserve. Not only the birth though my ex wifes entire pregnancy was a struggle.

Women deserve great respect.

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Yes they do.
emotionally, men and women are different. The latest neuroscience seems to point to a difference between men and women in terms of how their mind works, All that put aside, the playing field should be even, without men, or women for that matter, having the upper hand. There are women CEO's, sports icons, soldiers, etc. Women are capable of about anything

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Seems like an old useless argument. But sometimes the cavemen poke up their ignorant heads/opinions and decent progressives have to speak up for our women.

Whack! newspaper across the nose!

LOL

[-] -2 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Hmm. It simply makes to have women on an equal par, economically speaking. You potentially ignore 50% of the country's inate ability and potential if you hold them down.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I guess that's one reason it is described as caveman ignorance.

Most people (men & women) understand what you've described. A few must still be whacked on the nose with a newspaper. figuratively of course.

[-] -3 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

I am by no means a progressive. I am a dedicated right winger. my opinions have simply come from personal experience. In my experiences, the majority of the people who taught me were women. In my work experience, about 60% of the time, my bosses and supervisors were women, and they got there by merit and knowledge of their field. That is my experience and what I see.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Can a right winger be progressive? Do you think women should be treated equally? Even all people treated equally? If so, isn't that progress?

[-] -2 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Good question. Within the framework of the national debate, I am not sure that is possible. I just have to hope that the true conservatives that run for office don't shoot themselves in the foot with silly-assed comments about rape.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I'm old enough to remember when therepublican party wasn't taken over by religious fundamental cases who think women are inferior and "shoot themselves in the foot with silly-assed comments about rape."

They need to be that again.

[-] -1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

If you are a Democrat, you have just given the other side the recipe for success again:)

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I'm an independent who supports the dem agenda but votes 3rd party.

And they know what they gotta do. They can't figure out how to undo what they have created.

Every cycle repubs create a wedge issue (abortion, gays, immigration) to appeal to an extreme right wing and now that repubs have empowered those extremists they can't control them.

's funny really. You reap what you sow baby.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

No, I don't own a gun. I've never needed one, even when I've had them pulled on me.

Are you standing outside yet? I'm not talking in could have beens. I'm talking about men built the structure you live in so if that means nothing, go stand your sexist ass outside.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Good I think you are one those that should not have access to guns.

You clearly cannot deal rationally with your anger.

Sexist Men (like you) have wrongly kept women out of building industries.

That is less likely now and in the future. We must share these accomplishments with our women equally, and come to terms with the reality that only women can carry a child to term.

Get over it. In a big way.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

So you have worked construction then? Regardless of the answer you offer, we both know you haven't. Get your head out of the clouds and check your dogma before coming at me, psycho bitch.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Done small scale construction. building walls/extension is the limit of my experience.

Probably more than your sorry anger diseased ass. Sexist Pig!

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Thats nice.

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[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I think that you bring up some very interesting points. This whole concept of a nuclear family is a rather new addition to American culture and was more about profit. I mean you saw it with the Victorian era and this was more about upper middle class and the, then, top 1%. Those people that were in a different socioeconomic status or differed along racial or ethnic lines did not exist like this. So, for fun and profit, there has been an intentional isolation from our very natural built in support group and a reliance on "experts". I mention the Victorian era because it is here where you see a deliberate segregation of men and women. One that is going to create even more hell down the road. Another factor is the creation of the teenager---for fun and profit and often extended by college. It didn't kick in until the 1950s.

I'm not going to argue the gender roles that you have currently assigned because I get the gist of what you are saying. Right now, American male culture stresses heavily on machismo. I think that there is a very real need for men to re-evaluate what it means to be a man and do so outside of the perimeters defined by the top (like the specific male vs specific female roles) and reinforced through advertising. Then they need to reengage and build community by acknowledging and accepting diversity. They need to do this without a church or a nonprofit or charity organization. Why? Because it was the "experts" that started this shit.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34900) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Real Men Build - What - healthy relationships?

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

lol, that would be a welcome start.

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

The men that built the constitution are ignored and not understood. Free speech is abridged and the constitution cannot be explained to enough of us for us to act to preserve it.

Part of the abridging of free speech is the programming and violent conditioning that media is guilty of. We can offset this but it requires understanding.

Build alliance through understanding. With alliance the abridging of free speech can be overcome to degrees.

[-] 0 points by trashyharry (1161) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

LOL-Females who wish to express their creativity by giving birth can't get the process started without a contribution from a male person.Just because the involvement of males is a less protracted event than the female's doesn't make male participation less important.The males are co-creators of the pregnancies and should give themselves credit for it.For my part,I chose not to express creativity by giving birth.Instead,I decided to become an artist.Does that mean I don't stack up in the Womanhood department?We REALLY need to put gender based bias behind us-IMHO.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Do they eat quiche?

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Mushroom, Swiss and Feta!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What about ballet? Do real men dance Ballet in your real manly world.?

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Let me throw out a question. During the history of the women's movement, there has been, according to some pundits, a wimpification of America's manhood. If the accomplishments and positive aspects of manhood, ie providing for the family, defending the honor of those who are helpless (and I am not implying that women are helpless), etc were more espoused, then might the rate of murders go down among men, since they would have other ways to prove their manhood?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You bring up an important factor in some mens struggle with worthfulness.

Feeling worthless CAN drive a person to snap and commit tragic crimes. But those people need to understand that it isn't womens equality that is at fault.

It is our society that has allowed jobs to be outsourced, workers wages to stagnate and corp 1% oligarchs to get all our wealth.

Ain't womens fault. It's our (mens) fault for not protecting us all. For not providing the leadership against those that have destroyed our middle class.

Right?

[-] -1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Not saying it is women's fault. But perhaps women's rights can be espoused separately from the downtrodding of men?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I think womens rights are espused separately. The downtrodding of 'men' (people) is from the corp 1% oligarchs who have outsourced our jobs, stagnated our wages and taken/concentrated our wealth.

Ain't the way womens rights are espoused that downtroddens men, it is the greed of the corp 1% oligarchs.

We gotta be men and fight for our good paying jobs to be brought back from china!

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

That is a separate issue, but to focus on that for a minute, there is another one of those situations where there is a paradigm shift in the global economic picture.
this happened with the invention of the combustion engine, the discovery of the internet, the Arab Oil Embargo of 1973, and so on. we need to do 2 things. 1. embrace and build upon the new technologies and areas where we, as a nation, have the edge. 2. Make the corporate environment in this country such that it will be better to keep jobs here than to outsource.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

for 40 years corp profits have gone up. INCREASED!. American jobs have been outsourced,andthose remaining have had stagnant wages Have NOT shared in the increased profits.

THAT is the problem! That iswhy so many men can't provide for their families and feel worthless.

the greed of the Corp 1% oligarchs. Not women, Not womens rights, Not the "way they espouse those equal rights"

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Of course they do. This is not a thread of exclusion. It's a thread about remembering what is important. It's a thread that reminds us that violence does not make you a man.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Gay man loving another man? Real man, in your real manly world?

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Well for a man to have sex with another man, they first must be a man, yes?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Since I'm askin about your "real Manly" world I suppose you would have to answer that.

Is there some reason you've answered my question with a question? I know this is the difficult question.

Think about. It'll come to ya'.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Because your questions are based on poor assumptions. Try reading it from the point of view that our young men are fed a steady diet of violence, anger, hate, and vitriol. That our young men are introduced to a society of indifference after 18 years of this diet. Raised by spineless or abusive fathers, if they are lucky enough to have one at all. What kind of perception do you think they have of society and manhood by that time?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Is that a no?

What assumption do you think my questions are based on?

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Your questions clearly outline your misconceptions. There is no need for my input on the matter.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yeah that sounds like a no.

I understand. Listen quiche, & ballet is probably good progress for you.

In time you may learn to define a man in a way that allows you to answer positively regarding if Gay men are 'real men'

Then and only then will YOU have become a "real man"

Grasshoppa'

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I was making quiche while you were still in diapers. Your anti-male position could never have allowed you to respect the nature of this post because you don't acknowledge the right of men to be men. You keep bringing up gay men because you can relate to them enough to acknowledge their right to exist. News flash, gay men are still men. Accept all or none, it has no bearing on who we are. The only relevant info to be gleaned from your input is your own barriers to tolerance.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

your thread said "real men". I had to ask in order to understand. Clearly the thread title is sexist like the insults you've peppered throughout the thread in your comments.

Whack!

Back in your cave. Sexist Pig!

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

So you're telling me that gay men aren't real men? Thats the implication from you continues assault on this thread. You are clearly working from the same assumptions that lead to Don't Ask Don't Tell. If you feel that Real Men cannot include gay men, thats your hangup to deal with and I'm not your shrink.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Whack!

Back in your homophobic cave, you gay basher!

[-] 0 points by shooz (17816) 1 year ago

Why did you use this sexist themed thread title to lead liberals into some kind of..........I don't know what,....... but you've already lost track of the FACT that it was the GOP and corporations that created this mess..

That lack of effective mental health care.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I can't help that the left insist that everyone on the left be gay in order to be considered a true Dem. I can't help that the left insists I be a woman or I obviously don't respect women's rights. I am a white male. If you cannot respect what that means, don't expect any in return. Tolerance is a two way street. Trying to force me to be something I'm not in order to prove that I am a tolerant person is a logical fallacy designed to force feed a narrative, and that is not tolerance. Your position is an impossible paradox. I'm pro-equality but that in know way requires me to forget who I am. Respect me and I respect you, that is where tolerance begins.

Before I forget

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 1 year ago

Talk about logical a fallacy

"I can't help that the left insist that everyone on the left be gay"

All or nothing, is where intolerance begins and ends.

Thanks for yet another heads up.

BTW: whatever else you have to say, the thread title IS decidedly sexist.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Nothing about me hinges on your opinion.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 1 year ago

Your sexism speaks for itself.

I know far too many women that build stuff, that would take strong exception to your "belief"..

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

So saying that someone can do something is the same as saying someone else cannot? Sounds like narcissistic reasoning to me. "you cannot be this kind of person or you are disrespecting me" is a common passive aggression used by persons with severe narcissism. It isn't about you or women. Check me if I'm wrong but we don't have an issue with women shooting up malls and schools, do we? Get on down the road poser.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 1 year ago

Whatever.

I'm just sayin'.

I just asked 5 different women about your title and all 5 said. Yep that's sexist shit.

Have fun defending that................:)

Poser.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

lol, no you didn't. You're a lonely old hack with no personal life because your pursuit of chosen career has left you with no time for a social life. Play games like that and I'll make you wear it.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 1 year ago

Wear what richard?

The only one "gaming" here is you.

You've been defending your sexist thread title, that's all, but if you NEED to threaten me with some vague concept of forcing me to"wear" something.

So be it. I'm scared now. Do you feel even more manly?

It a sexist title richard, face the fact.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

So how should we define manhood to our young men in a way that promotes creativity instead of destruction. How do you appeal to all young men. Be sure to leave manhood out of it though, that would be sexist. Ok go!

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

See, you people aren't interested in ending the violence. You're interested in the packaged solution that requires no effort on your part, no thinking. A prepackaged solution to inflict damage on a right wing lobbying group. Your destructive nature won't even allow you to address the real causes violence.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 1 year ago

Lot's of people have richard, you just won't budge from your position.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

You said absolutely nothing. Unless you're talking about the Fed, you wouldn't know because this comment from you is the first anyone has engaged me on this topic. I normally don't talk about media topics but this is an exceptionally atrocious act and needs comment.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 1 year ago

Re-install the mental health services that the GOP and the "health care"(sic) industries(sic) removed.

Neither one want's to pay to make us sane.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I agree that mental health is as important as physical health and should be covered by insurers.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 1 year ago

Yeah, but they don't.

Will you at least admit that GOP dismantled State mental health facilities?

'Cause they sure did in my State.

What's left is real shit.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

The profiteering of the Right and the infiltration of the Right by willfully ignorant theocratic authoritarians has created a stain on society and that is no secret, but this issue involves all of us, for the blame and the solution. This is a cultural issue, not a political one.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 1 year ago

That's just sidestepping the real issue.

Mental health care, is pretty much non-existent..........

It was a political/profit ideology that removed it. Promoted by the GOP.

That makes it a political issue. Stop pretending it isn't.

Re-instituting it will be like pulling teeth.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

You're attempting to place words in my mouth and then argue with it. I have already stated that I am for having insurers cover mental health. Spin all you like but I'm not going to entertain your trained mouthpiece tactics.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

what if you don't have insurance? most mentally ill have a hard time holding down a job.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21346) 1 year ago

We definitely need universal healthcare with strong coverage for mental health issues, but, the big problem with mental illness is that a lot of it, and especially schizophrenia, don't become symptomatic until the person is over 18 years of age. At age 18 the person is considered an adult and nobody can really step in to help them. Parents can try, but they have no legal control over the life of a child once they turn 18. Can't even pick up a prescription, take them to the doctor or discuss their health insurance claims with the rip-off insurers.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

The stigma of mental illness and the hereditary nature of mental illness creates an environment of secrecy around it. Families are more likely to bare the burden in secret then to reach out for help because of shame and social pressures. This concealment is never discussed.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21346) 1 year ago

That is so true, a very big contributing factor. Our society's pressure for "success" and materialism, etc. contribute to all kinds of fearful feelings of not fitting in or being judged.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

People with disabilities qualify for government subsidized insurance, including metal disabilities. Your point is not thought through.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Cars being stolen and used for murder does not happen. You are reaching. I see you are running out of steam. Looks like I've kicked your sorry ignorant ass again, as always.!

LMFAO.

You got a gun? Don't let it get stolen and used to slaughter 20 children. (or any innocent) If so you do 10 years.

Thats fair.

Why don't you advocate forthe 20 slaughtered children. Why do you continue to defend the shooter, Why are you more concerned with gun owners & not gun victims.

What the fuck is your major malfunction! Slaughtered children are more important than gun profits. You heartless shill piece of shit. You are the shit of shit! Dick!

[-] -3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

20 slaughtered kids!!!! FEMALE teachers diving in fro.nt of machine gun fire.!!!!! It's too much. Find the courage to stand up to the gun corps and protect the women & children of our society.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Hijacking tragedy for partisan rhetoric. You disgust me.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

it ain't movies, & culture. It is the dishonest gun corp shills who leap to the defense of these murderers and prevents the country from doing something about this problem.

You are the problem! You got your priorities ass backwards. When little children are slaughtered with semi automatic weapons and the FEMALE teachers give their lives to save their students, you don't defend the gun owners/gun corps.

Get it straight! be a MAN. Stand up to the gun corps. Have you no sense of 'protection of family'? What kind of man are you?

Stop being a goddamn wimp. Grow a bigger pair and tell your pro gun friends ENOUGH. Little kids, & teachers diving in front of machine gun fire? No. that's too much!

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Anything to escape your roll and responsibility to society eh? Sure, a culture of destruction and violence is perfectly healthy. No way that it could effect the way people think. Take some responsibility, coward.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. Your a fuckin loser moron. The female teachers who gave their lives are the heroes. We should remember that our teachers deserve our respect, and we should honor them.

Teachers= honorable. Gun corp shills= dishonorable pieces of shit.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

They were victims. The next time you spend money to watch a violent flick, the next time you alienate someone for not walking in lock step with you, just know that you caused the death of those kids. The next time you ignore the cultural issues that lead up to these shootings in favor of partisan rhetoric, know that you caused the death of those kids. You, you are to blame. Blame yourself.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I will never stop defending the victims of irresponsible gun owners from those gun corp shills who care for nothing but profits over people!

You are a dishonorable piece of shit. Fuck you and your gon corp friends.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I'm just standing up for the victims against the dishonorable defender of the gun corps!

I'm trying to take the issue back from your dishonest twisting of making this about 2nd amendment gun ownership.

It ain't about that.

It's about 20 sweet innocent kids, and the brave female teachers slaughtered by guns that were gotten illegally from an irresponsible gun owner.

You're trying to hijack this tragedy for your gun corps. I'm bringing it back to the truth!

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I'm done with you for the day. There is nothing I can say to you that I haven't already covered today. Whether you're paid to be here or are genuinely just this ignorant and simple minded, I want you to look good and hard at the picture of those kids before you go to sleep tonight. Ask yourself if this is a topic you are ok with using as a game like you do everything else. If you are still as close minded tomorrow, than I will simply use you as the example of why this will never change.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

load of shit they kick people of the insurance programs all the time or don't even let them on. you should know this.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure we just passed a healthcare law. I'm also pretty sure that adding a few lines to it for mental health would have a greater impact on these random shootings than increasing gun control, as many of the guns in these shooting were purchased legally. Think much?

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i never said it would stop the shooting. but if all he had was 6 or 7 shots in his weapon before he had to manually reload there would not have been over 100 rounds fired. which is why he was able to kill so many. if you want to keep guns legal you are still going to have crazy people killing people but we can minimize the slaughter. australia instituted similar legislation after an event in 96 and the they have had zero attacks since. they had 13 from 80-96. also the whole out gunning thing is nonsense. a .45 or a 12 gauge pump action shotgun are more that enough deterrence and fire power. you don't need to be able to fire 12+ shots in a rapid burst.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Oh, so if he had killed just one or two, that would be ok? See, you aren't addressing the causes, you are addressing the symptom. Bat the flames all you want but the fire will continue until you take the heat and do what is required to extinguish it. Our culture is the cause and there is no way around that fact. And yes, sometimes several rounds are required to thwart a home invasion. Very few home invasions involve just one perpetrator. If you're just going to keep reciting the MSM narrative as if it were the word of god, I'm going to have to ignore any further comments. I live in reality, not your dogma.

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

we are not talking about domestic abuse we are talking about preventing wholesale slaughter of dozens of people. you obviously don't want to admit the truth. no semi auto no slaughter. sure you can kill with a revolver but the guy is not getting off 100 plus rounds in minutes. give it up dude. public opinion has turned. the semi auto's are going to be banned and the sooner the better.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Yes, we are talking exactly about that. We are talking about mass homicide committed with legally owned guns in states with strict gun laws. The truth is that the left isn't interested in curbing the violence, only in hijacking the death of children for a political narrative against a right wing lobbying group. You disgust me.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

we can address the root causes of societies ills after we address peoples ability to engage whole sale slaughter of innocent people.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

We can deal with energy reform, after all the oil rigs are outlawed. We can worry about crack after we outlaw crack. There is simply no logic in your position. Repeating it will not make it any more logical or feasible.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

semi automatic is a self loading weapon. you can just keep pulling the trigger until the magazine is empty. that is semi automatic. as fast as you can pull the trigger is as fast as the bullets fly.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

So how would a single shot gun have stopped the shooting? Since home invasion always include a gunman with a simiautomatic gun, how would you defend your children after you've been shot dead because you were outgunned?

http://www.homeinvasionnews.com/if-you-see-these-home-invasion-statistics-dont-look/

You people live in a fantasy world which relieves you from the need to think or any social responsibility. You cannot legislate your way to utopia. Goddamn, you people get fed shit through the media and you lap it up like starving dogs.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

and obviously if the gun laws had restricted her from purchasing semi automatic weapons we would probably not be having this discussion today. libertarian thinking and logic is so lazy. seriously come on put some effort into your thoughts. otherwise don't waste my fucking time. you intellectually lazy nra worshiping fucktard. it is you that sickens me. i am now nauseous and need to puke.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

What is semi automatic? How would a gun not of this description have stopped the shooting?

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

What is semi automatic? How would a gun not of this description have stopped the shooting?

[-] -2 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Would a revolver or a derringer have been better?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The legal gun owner (RIP) was irresponsible`! She knew the shooter was unstable and should have gotten rid of her guns.

She might be alive today!

More important the 20 children might be alive. Don't you care about them. You heartless piece of shit!

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

So if someone steals your car and commits vehicular homicide, you'll be ok doing life? Right?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The legal owner knew of the mental questions of the shooter. As such no gun should have been accessbile.

Any owner who is aware of a mentally ill person with any possible access should secure the guns. Prevent the theft. Ifnot they should be sent away for 10 years.

See how quick they get responsible. See how quick the rate of slaughter slows.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

So lock people up when they have been victimized? Criminalize the victimized? Please, tell me more.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The shooter did not purchase the guns legally. He murdered the legal owner and took them. Stop lying you gun corp shill!

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Quick, concentrate a larger topic into one incident that we can then pick apart, and then whatever I say will be regarded as reality!

The point you attempt to skirt is that the guns were purchased legally. Once such a purchase is made, those guns are now floating around society and susceptible to all ills. Including but not limited to theft by your kid who has lost their mind.

More gun regulation will not stop that potential, and your argument does not change that fact. In fact your argument was probably the least convincing argument of the day.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The guns used to slaughter these children were NOT obtained legally by the shooter you moron! Why would you lie to defend this monster? Are your loyalties to gun profits so deep you have lost your humanity?

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Please, continue. Maybe if you look dumb enough, people will doubt that you're really a fraud and instead assume you're just an uniformed jack ass.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

it is not guns but the kind of guns. semi automatic guns serve no practical purpose but to kill and maim as many people as possible as fast as possible. making semi automatic weapons illegal would greatly curtail these kind of mass shooting events. there is no reasonable reason to possess semi automatic weapons. none what so ever. that is the gun control we need to advocate. i don't think we need to do a whole lot more guns are a right. but that right does not include semi auto or automatic weapons. just like it does not include tanks, war jets, and battleships, and grenades.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I can tell by your comment that you know nothing about guns and you sound foolish. What will gun laws do for domestic violence since domestic shooting occur almost entirely with legally purchased guns. What protection do women and children get from your bullshit fix? None. Stop being a pussy and look at the real core of the problem.

[-] -2 points by shooz (17816) 1 year ago

BS.

It's a political issue from the start.

You just want to pretend it's not.

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[-] -1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

By sheer numbers, our nation is bound to have a nut or flake of every color and ilk. Even in the perfect society that has found the optimum method of dealing with every issue, there is, sadly, going to be that individual who will snap. I am not necessarily of the opinion that a larger debate needs to happen here. I I am extremely interested in knowing about this shooter and his upbringing.

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[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

The attempt to force Occupy to the left in order to divide and conquer, has failed. On the ground and on the web. Get over it.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Left & Right is irrelevant! get out of that old dichotomy. The issues are what matter.

20 children slaughtered! How can you defend the gun owner & not condemn the shooter.

Gun corp profits can't be that important to you. Are they Dick?

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I'm not sure why you think I will defend myself against your accusations. You post nonsense, which I do use to make points, but that you post only in order to create disruption and vitriol because you are here to disrupt. If you actually produce a valid argument, it is only to pull people in, so they can be riled up and help in your disruption. Knowing this and recognizing when you are moving into each stage is why you are now and will always be a resource to me, not opposition or a threat. You are a tool and I will continue using you as such.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The fact that you show no compassion for the 20 slaughter children but have advocated passionately for gun owners, & for gun corp profits shows you to be a heartless shill for gun corps & a dishonorable piece of shit.

Use that point Dick.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

My point is made clear in the OP. Your rhetoric has no effect on that.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Still nothing about the slaughtered children. You reserve you outrage for gun owners rights, & gun corps profits.

How about the Principle/teachers (All females) who lunged to their deaths at the gun MAN to protect their students! Anything?

Those women! Those teachers ALL teachers are heroes.

And those who have no honor and rush to the defense of the gun owner, & gun corps are evil. They, like you deserve only contempt, & derision. You who sit silent about the female teachers who gave their lives to save the children in their charge, you who instead defend gun owners should be spit on.

You are a worthless piece of shit that does not deserve to enjoy the benefit of decent people, society. You should be ostracized, and ridiculed, Isolated and humiliated in the town square.

You and all those who ignore these victims and defend their murderer have no honor.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Cons eat poop, progressive insurance, check the polls!

Peace

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yeah that is about all you got left, you loser gun lobbying piece of shit.

[-] -1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

The counter offer is the gift of their mind. The mind has put humanity is a position to tackle any problem, achieve any dream, and to have an infinite path ahead of discovery. Show people what is out there, even the violence. And give people the awareness of their own ability to cope through anything. Did this shooter feel that there was no other option? did he feel that he had no other point in living? As long as there is hope and opportunity, there can always be another way.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago
[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago