Posted 3 years ago on Aug. 26, 2012, 5:09 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll
from South Burlington, VT
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Trevor posted a great thread on the state of electronic surveillance in the country today, it has some interesting links, and for those interested the article may be found:
I did make a lengthy comment response to some of the contentions Trevor puts forth, but no one it seems reads those lengthy texty-rants - I rarely do unless I typed them and then only for proof reading purposes. All others I skip over with barely a glance.
In any case, if I have performed my task properly, then you will neither be bored during the perusal, nor will you leave entirely unchanged.
Thanks for the post, Trevor.
Mind if I play devil's advocate for a sec? It's not my preferred occupation, but hey . . . .
I mean, I've been screaming about this shit for years - literally. I don't like the Shaw's card - I don't like the television advertisement for one of the new phones, which insists:
- share everything
Because I am well aware that what this is, is private industry incorporating personal information, buying and spending habits and whatever else they can get their hands on - in an effort that is in part designed to identify new marketing opportunities.
It has other applications, and I could show you - had I access to the data - I could show you how to infect someone with so much cognitive dissonance they go completely insane - quite possibly killing themselves or others.
And that is the private sector. It isn't just the government invested in harvesting your personal effects but private industry as well. It's a problem.
So, here's the devil's advocacy - because I think the reality is very complex, and what we are seeing has meaning -
The fact is this information has come out - some of it. I would suggest some of the programs talked about may be duplication of programs already in use by either other agencies or private sector institutions - after all, I started screaming in 1997 - which seems to precede some of the programs under discussion.
The people talking about these programs are talking - they aren't dead. Neither am I. I don't know why, but it is a fact. I am alive and people are talking about this subject. What does that mean?
What would it say about our society if there were no discussion about any of this?
I have no doubt there are those who do not appreciate any discussion of this topic at all. shh they say - and they do so very quietly. shh
What if you got elected? You would confront government agencies - NSA, CIA, DIA - the entire Pentagon for all practical purposes - agencies under the Justice Dept in all likelihood - and that does not begin to address the degree of investment by the private sector - IBM and other high tech industries providing the chips, the wire, the mother boards, access to the entire communications grid . . . .
Were you elected to office you would encounter significant resources committed to opposition of any initiative that curbed the harvesting of our personal effects.
I am absolutely certain they move quietly, and lobby the political establishment not with facts so much as assertions, probabilities, and pictures of chaos.
They point out the investment of Jobs - and whose Congressional districts these jobs may be located in.
So what do you do? As an elected official, what do you do?
Say you held that pen - and with that pen you could reshape America. You could reshape America in ways some very powerful interests would find not simply objectionable, but highly irresponsible - and they come armed with some of the best and brightest minds this nation has to offer - arguing on their behalf.
Only a few months ago both Vice President Biden and Secretary Clinton boarded planes - air force planes - and both had incidents that required those planes to return to their point of departure. Less than 24 hours apart.
That pen has power. There are those who insist it be used very very carefully.
What do you do?