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Forum Post: Quick question about individual rights and freedoms-

Posted 7 years ago on Nov. 30, 2012, 3:20 p.m. EST by billybelch (10)
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Should the government try to do anything to prevent individuals from smoking, eating too much, or being sexually promiscuous? If so, why?




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[-] 3 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 7 years ago

You are a little late - they already are and you can't do a damm thing about it.

[-] 2 points by ivyquinn (167) 7 years ago

No. The government should not have the right to tell us what we can and cannot eat, drink, smoke, injest, etc.

[-] 0 points by billybelch (10) 7 years ago

But should they try to convince us to modify these behaviors? If so, why?

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 7 years ago

No. Because freedom of thought, and practice thereof, should be based on individual choice not government involvement. Take GMOs for example:

Say the government stated that you needed to injest 6 toxic tomatoes a day for a healthy mind. Sounds good on paper. However, in reality the tomatoes are genetically altered to cause dermatitis. The facts don't come out until after the fact and more propaganda campaigns subvert the entire truth. So these tomatoes become mainstream use and there suddenly is a breakout of dermatitis globally. The government finally addresses the issue and states that the tomato contimantion was an oversight and to eat their new GMOS product that is "much safer."

In conclusion the government has no place at our dinner table, nor in our bodies.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

No - that is individual personal choice. What they can do is set standards for manufactured food products and regulate tobacco. So they have got tobacco regulation happening..........................................

[-] 1 points by billybelch (10) 7 years ago

Cool. So you would say you're against Bloomberg's ban on large sodas?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Personal choice - What is used to make a soda? not so much.

[-] 0 points by billybelch (10) 7 years ago

What? And you're against higher taxes on cigarettes too?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Didn't say that - you just did.

[-] 0 points by billybelch (10) 7 years ago

Okay, I thought that's what you meant when you said "they have got tobacco regulation happening" my bad.

So, if you do think it's acceptable to charge people higher taxes on tobacco, how come?

And when you said "what is used to make a soda", did you mean the person making it should have to disclose what's in it, or the government should tell them what they can put in it?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

I think the society should decide together that corps should not sell us products that kill or hurt us.

cigs? s/b illegal. excessive sugar/high fructose MUST be controlled. It is killing us! Alcohol, We tried & failed but we are correct in making it illegal for kids (that should probably be 18 yrs)

Does that help you understand.?

[-] 0 points by billybelch (10) 7 years ago

Kind of... but I still think we should do what lowers health care costs for EVERYONE, and let people have the freedom to do what makes them happy. I do not understand how corporations are forcing people to buy cigarettes or tricking them into thinking they are healthy.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

Your inability to understand how corps do it does not exclude the factthat they do.

It happens. Some people are weak. Others just misinformed, Still others not so bright, And finally some that do not care.

Whatever, the people (society) through our govt shoulddecide these issues. Can't just leave it corps, they care only for profit. not the health of people, or the cost to healthcare.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Tobacco is a personal choice item - a personal choice item that is unhealthy - it is in the nature of the material - tobacco - so yeah tax the hell out of it and pump that tax money into health care. BTW - I smoke tobacco - wish I had never tried it - but there ya go - I did - and now from time to time I will still try to quit.

Soda is also a personal choice item - but where tobacco is harmful in it's nature - soft drinks do not have to be harmful - as in containing cancer causing dye or sweeteners etc. The contents of soda can be controlled - and should be.

[-] 1 points by billybelch (10) 7 years ago

But that is in cold-hearted disregard to the desires of the individual.

A person will not be able to afford as much of the things they want if you "tax the ** out of them"

Why not do what is best for the greater good, and lowers health care costs the most? People are going to make bad decisions, so let's just lessen the impact on everyone else by lowering health care costs.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Health care cost in this country is insane - and it is because it is run - FOR PROFIT and no one has looked into regulating limiting that profit. Another victim of Greed = Health - and that is not just in the health care system.

[-] 1 points by billybelch (10) 7 years ago

Well, I wasn't really talking about the health care system in general.

I am asking why we should raise health care costs on everyone by preventing people from smoking.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

How is preventing people from smoking to much raising health care cost on everyone? If cost is a limiting factor to use - good. If the lions share of sales of cigarettes/tobacco is funneled into health care - how is that raising the cost of health care for everyone else?

No - the more items that are sold to the public that contain health hazards that cause cancers or other illnesses - that is where health care costs increase for everyone because everyone is getting sick and so needing to put their money into the health care process for their treatment. This also is effected by how much money actually goes to caring for people and how much money goes to profiting off of the ill.

[-] 0 points by billybelch (10) 7 years ago

Ah, I'm afraid your predetermined conclusions have gotten in the way. :(

The lifetime health care cost total for a smoker is lower than a non-smoker. Same goes for an obese person.

If public health care expenditures are the deciding factor, then it would follow that the government should lower health care expenditures by encouraging people to smoke.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

You work for Phillip Morris ?

[-] 1 points by billybelch (10) 7 years ago

Nope, I just like pwning people in debates. :)

For the record, I do not want the government to try and convince people to smoke. That is just as absurd as making other people pay for the poor choices of others, banning cigarettes, or illogically collecting higher taxes on them.

[-] 1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 7 years ago

In some states they already are.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

Good question.

Another question I have about individual rights and freedoms for the posters here is why OWS was all about Egypt and how revolution was the answer to Egypts problems and how they encouraged and supported the people of Egypt a year ago, and SILENT NOW while the people of Egypt pour into the streets again because the NEW regime is the same as, or worse than, the OLD regime???





Why are the individual rights and freedoms of the Egyptian people JUST as important today as they were a year ago?

Why is it that so many people were ignored when they warned EVERYONE that the Muslim Brotherhood's goal WAS to take power and create a dictatorship operating under sharia law?

Why aren't people apologizing to those who were right?

And why aren't those who were so passionate about Egypt's "revolution" saying ANYTHING today?

[-] 2 points by RedDragon (-161) 7 years ago

Well because I think that was the outcome they had hoped for.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

You may be right.

[-] 1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 7 years ago

Because they ad their head up their ass and were unable to accept anything outside of their narrow minds.