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Forum Post: "Politics is a Subterfuge"

Posted 4 years ago on Feb. 12, 2014, 9:38 p.m. EST by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO
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[-] 3 points by bullfrogma (448) 4 years ago

The "start a new civilization" piece is interesting.


What I've been thinking is that people need relief from their lives to focus on this stuff. Half the people that should join don't because they're already knee-deep in fighting against the cost of living. They don't know how to give that up, to be transient and feel comfortable in that kind of unknown. The way our society is set up right now, not having a home seems pretty intimidating.

So people can't join because they have a house to take care of, or a job to keep. If you could offer them an alternative however, you could create a collaboration of people with the free time and energy to devote into all sorts of projects.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

I've been warming up to the 'start a new civilization' idea. We have more than enough mistakes to work from, so I imagine with the right combination of minds a pretty good model could be built.

There are plenty of people available right now to work on it, too. A lot of unemployed people with the time and skills. As long as food and a roof over their heads isn't a limiting factor.

[-] 2 points by bullfrogma (448) 4 years ago

Worst case scenario you don't need a roof, maybe a tent. Sometimes I go weeks without eating and it doesn't really matter. Just saying that staying alive is a lot easier then we've been led to believe. Fear is part of that method of keeping us dependent.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

Absolutely. And I imagine a lot of people would be willing to go without a lot for the prospect of building a better society.

[-] 2 points by bullfrogma (448) 4 years ago

Living in a community is also exciting. We really are social creatures. Like rats deprived of wrestle play becoming less intelligent at problem solving, we need that stimulation, and love it.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

Oh yeah, definitely. That's probably a scientific fact. Lack of proper stimulation is degenerative.

[-] 2 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (647) 4 years ago

....for debt indenturing.

[-] 4 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

Among other things.

I tend to agree with her somewhat. Unless we can get corporate money out of politics, eliminate the travesty known as the Electoral College and perhaps move to a system closer to proportional representation, voting is marginally effective, at best.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

and a bit outdated

representative existed because people couldn't communicate over long distances

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

Good point, Matt. Distance certainly isn't a factor anymore so perhaps a new model is needed.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

shutting down traffic for a day doesn't devastate the economy

all these billions lost is a mute point if people are still getting fed

it does however get everybody's attention

so the claimed economic damage is exaggerated because the market don't like competition


[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

I posted this because it's by Justine. This clip, plus comments she's made on Twitter and elsewhere, shows that she doesn't believe in politics as the answer to what ails us. In fact, she told me personally that she wishes politics wasn't discussed on this forum.

And aren't you the guy that just a few days ago compared Kshama Sawant with Carl with a fukin' K? The guy that said he thinks the citizens of N. Carolina should be kicked to the curb over that toxic spill because "N. Carolina's a red state?" Or something to that effect? The guy that claims to be an Independent but votes Democrat and phone banked for Obama not once but twice?

You have my sympathies, ZD, because of the MKUltra thing and all, but I said it once and I'll say it again. Stick with poetry 'cause "politics ain't your forté."

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

I don't care much for politics discussed here either

having once categorized subject, I have found politics republican/democrat to have the least substance

just a who supports what ?

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

Yeah, politics is way down my list of interesting subjects. Which is fine, of course, since there are a host of issues to address.


[-] 5 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

And you think any true supporter here gives a shit about your tunnel-vision view of politics? Take note: I said true supporters, not the small band of infiltrators and co-opters.

I'll get to the rest of your drivel later, if I decide to devote the time to it. I'm just taking this opportunity to bump the YT clip.


[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

True supporters of OWS, you dumb fuck. My god, man, you see republicans under every rock.

Her clip doesn't propose any solutions. In fact, she makes it clear in the comment section that she's a bit frustrated about what exactly should be done. Her clip isn't about solutions, it's just her opinions and thoughts.

So, let's see what we've proposed as possible solutions. In the time I've been here I've suggested lowering our individual footprints. Our carbon footprints, our slavery footprints. I've suggested de-globalizing. I've suggested boycotting GMOs and that larger-scale monoculture is unsustainable. I've suggested buying local, and buying used when practical. Repair instead of replace. I've brought awareness to the militarization of society and the indoctrination of said militarization in our children. That's just off the top of my head.

And what has ZenDog suggested as the way forward?

Vote for Hillary in 2016!!!

Fuck you.

[-] 3 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

Anyone interested in the deeper voter suppression should check out


If the entire process is rigged to begin with, then what the hell are we voting for?

And big ups to Mr Winger for tirelessly working on this project.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

I'll have to take a look at that in a while.

As soon as I can find the time, heheh.

It's bookmarked.


[-] 2 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

And? The cases, the lawsuits and the judges decisions are all facts. Progressives of all types have a great deal of respect for him.

He's usually one of the first names that comes up in discussions of boards of elections, divisions of elections etc.

The site is a great asset, and a real eye opener. If you choose not to read it, fine with me.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

They like to shoot the messenger.


[-] 2 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

LaRouche is running some more people this year, as Democrats as usual :)

Courtesy of ballot access.org

The plot thickens.......



[-] 1 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

Cali too, I guess we got both extremes of what the people in this country consider "liberal" and "conservative".

I honestly didn't realize they ran candidates until I just read that.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

GMOs and that larger-scale monoculture is unsustainable.

well said though i find nothing wrong with GMOs, monoculture is unsustainable.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

It is possible GMOs might turn out to be a minor problem, but monoculture is definitely a BIG problem.

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[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

The Paulians are back? Where they at? Lemme at 'em.

I like you, Zen, you hilarious in your own way. Just when I thought you couldn't come up with a new label . . .

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

yes the republicans have been moving in that directions

but I suspect it's just a bid to maintain the two party system



[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

I don't have a problem with most of that, and I haven't been advocating not voting either. That's not why I posted the video. Like I said at the top, "For those who haven't seen it yet." Pretty straightforward Zen. I think it's good to see the views of people behind the scenes, don't you?

You seem to be fixated on my username lately, for some odd reason. Pretty strange. And I seriously don't get the connection between it and that jpeg you keep posting. Never been to Zuccotti. And I'm not that young. Or thin, heheh.


[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

Being a would-be poet is indicative of one thing. You sure have a fertile imagination. I had this username long before I came to this site. Wanted to comment on a website a few years back right after getting laid off and it fit. Came on here and used the same one.

Your baseless aspersions are hollow anyway. My character's intact. Good try though.

And who's trolling who, now? Hmmm, I scroll thru the thread and see JGriff linking ballot-access.org. which is related to the OP. We have bullfrogma, who's talking about the 'new civilization' idea, which Justine supports. We have Matt giving his opinion about it all.

And then there's you . . .




[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

if there is no enough work for everyone

only a minority will belong to the union

the jobless are not represented