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Forum Post: plan B bill FAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 20, 2012, 8:36 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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great news

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[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Let the country go over the fiscal cliff - if that is the only way we are gonna see cuts in military spending - if that is the only way we will see gravy train tax cuts expire on the wealthy.

Piss everyone off good and proper - perhaps that will finally get the public involved in the process of government.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

LOL - kind of a lukewarm response. {:-])

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6463) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

The tax cuts were bad in 2001 and they still are, good bye and good riddance.

Some of the cuts will hurt but the alternative is no cuts in defense and even deeper cuts where we can least afford them.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Main thing - clear the crap off the books - force a cut in military spending. We can do better - and we should do better - this budget by coercion business is BULLSHIT.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6463) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I just saw a piece on MSNBC, repeat of Rachael Meadow show, where the guy was going over how Obama keeps moving to the right of Simpson-Boles while Boner keeps moving further right as well and then people go on air and say it's both sides, when in fact it is not. If Obama had the balls(that Hilary does) he would put an all defense cut/tax increase budget with a bit of stimulus on the Senate floor and make the GOP stand and fight it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Public pressure will put some starch in his spine - or it should - as it should wake up the useless who are in office to also sit-up and listen to the people.

Fundamental change for the better will come through the involvement and actions of the people.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6463) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

The real test will come with the debt limit, will he buckle to the GOP demands and give them everything they want or is he willing to default? I think that's a close call, I hope that he just pays the bills and lets them take him to court.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Let them all continue to piss off the people - change will happen faster with a righteously pissed off population that finally stands-up and gets involved.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6463) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

The next big step is up to Harry Reid he must change the filibuster rules, the nation is in trouble and if he wants to be nice to GOP we are all screwed.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I am concerned that Harry is a dino. So will he do that?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6463) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I don't go for purity tests too much, no body is talking about the up coming rules debate, McConnell has said there will be hell to pay but really what more could he do?

Long term the GOP must die, if we awake to that fact we got a chance, if we keep trying to hug Republicans the whole world is out of luck, except for a few pockets like Finland and such.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Long term - all parties must die - as we get past such and get into addressing issues. At this very point in time? It looks very much like the rino party must be the 1st to go.

[-] 3 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

Plan A is to steal your social security.Plan B is to blow as much smoke up our asses as possible.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Boehner & Cantor - of course - lied that they had he votes to pass it -

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Take note on the rino's that held back on voting - they were unhappy about raising taxes on millionaires. These are extreme assholes that need replacing.

[-] 1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 2 years ago

I fail to see why anyone care about going over the cliff? So what?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

one of many reasons - this is the only way we will ever be able to cut military spending - do you care about that ?

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

There isnt a plan being discussed right now that is going to reverse the corporate takeover or do a damn thing that is going to dramatically help.

This is nothing to get excited about.

[-] 6 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

look again-

HJ 88
112th CONGRESS 1st Session H. J. RES. 88 Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to clarify the authority of Congress and the States to regulate corporations, limited liability companies or other corporate entities established by the laws of any state, the United States, or any foreign state. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES November 15, 2011 Mr. MCGOVERN introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

JOINT RESOLUTION Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to clarify the authority of Congress and the States to regulate corporations, limited liability companies or other corporate entities established by the laws of any state, the United States, or any foreign state. Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States: Article--Section 1. We the people who ordain and establish this Constitution intend the rights protected by this Constitution to be the rights of natural persons.

`Section 2. The words people, person, or citizen as used in this Constitution do not include corporations, limited liability companies or other corporate entities established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state, and such corporate entities are subject to such regulation as the people, through their elected State and Federal representatives, deem reasonable and are otherwise consistent with the powers of Congress and the States under this Constitution.

`Section 3. Nothing contained herein shall be construed to limit the people's rights of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, free exercise of religion, freedom of association and all such other rights of the people, which rights are inalienable.'.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

What do you think about this one: http://teddeutch.house.gov/uploadedfiles/deutch_036_xml.pdf

I kind of feel that McGovern stopped short on a lot of things.

[-] 4 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

please check out our OWS site with all of the amendments + 70+ videos from Reich, Chomsky, Hartmann, Sanders, Stevens, etc

http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6463) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

ah are you disappointed your little propaganda gambit failed?

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

What gambit is that? I dont support any of this garbage. What self respecting human being would?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6463) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

What's self respecting got to do with you hc?

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

It means you are getting played, but are too stubborn to admit it.

Unless you prefer divide and conquer politics, for a few crumbs here and there haha.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6463) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

You keep trying to divide us but you won't conquer us you GOP loving SOB.

[+] -4 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

Taxing the rich must fail!! If the list of companies cutting employment simply after Obama got re-elected was big, what kind of economic boom do you expect to see after falling off the cliff? do you guys expect to eat the rich as long as they are around? My guess, a lot of them will bail, and good for them!!!

[-] 4 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

"list of companies cutting employment simply after Obama got re-elected"
and unemployent # went down
if you are going to lie, dont tell one that is so obvious

[-] -2 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

Energizer, Exide Technologies, Westinghouse, Research in Motion Limited, Lightyear Network Solutions, Providence Journal, Hawker Beechcraft, Boeing, CVPH Medical Center, etc, etc, etc.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

I looked at one ( that I used to own stock in )
Bristol-Myers to slash 480 sales-related jobs in NJ
Cuts follow a series of bad-news events for the drugmaker
November 6, 2012 By Tracy Staton
Bristol-Myers Squibb ($BMY) is following up its lackluster third-quarter results with almost 480 layoffs. As Pharmalot reports, the company notified the New Jersey government that it would scale back in Plainsboro, which means the cuts will hit its sales operations.

The exact number of jobs to be cut, according to the state notification, is 479, Pharmalot reports. The Plainsboro facility mostly revolves around training and administrative support for the sales force.

Bristol-Myers is, of course, not alone in announcing
layoffs and cutbacks recently
. obviously Obama's fault
The most high-profile job-cutting plans are Sanofi's ($SNY) in France, where officials have not only publicly denounced the cuts but persuaded the company to rewind at least some of them. Other Big Pharmas with hundreds of cuts in the news recently include Abbott Laboratories ($ABT) (550 across several business units), Pfizer ($PFE) (300, mostly in sales) and Johnson & Johnson ($JNJ) (130 in Alzheimer's R&D).

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Aaaaaaaaaah ha ha ha. Thetea party has fucked Boehnerandrepubs.

LOL. they are in disarray!

LMFAO Self destructing. Can't even pass their own laws.

Whatta joke. Time to stick a fork in 'em & turn 'em over. They Are Done!!!

[-] -2 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

I imagine you are happy. If the tables were turned I would be happy too. I don't particularly like Boehner and I do not agree with the compromise approach.
I simply do not agree with Obama's "fair share" approach. And I do not like the direction the country is going. Nothing personal against our leader, but playing nice and sharing a beer with him probably will not get things done. Lets go over the cliff and let the Tea Party take over for the Republicans and lets see what happens

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh yeah we don't want fairness. Gotta protect the wealthy!

Definitely over the cliff. See if the repubs can then get a tax cut for the wealthy. & all the military cuts they will want to replace. Man that is priceless.

[-] -1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

I previously piddled around with some numbers. If the top 1% were to be taxed at 50%, that would bring in around $2.1 trillion. Hell, that won't even come close to bridging the current budget deficit ($172 billion in November alone), not to mention the $16+ trillion debt. Cuts have to be made, or if nothing else, freeze spending. The only cuts talked about by the White House will not happen for several years. You want a level playing field? flat tax rate, across the board, while wiping all but 1 page of the tax code.
How is France doing with their high-income tax rate?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Don't care about france.

Piddle this.

Current deficirt est 2013 $900B

Tax increases on the wealthy to bring in $300B

cut waste, fraud, abuse, across the board, cut corp welfare, cut military for another $300B

Resulting economic growth will bring in addl $300B.

Done. Easy Peezy.

Anything else.?

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

add a 20% amt on corporations

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Agreed. Also a .5% fin transaction tax would raise $500B annually.

Let's do that for paying down the debt that the tea party continues to whine about.

[-] -1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Not bad, give me some more data. Where is the 300 billion in growth going to come from? Is that 300 billion from the wealthy going to be in the first year? Will that be projected to be constant for the next decade? Estimated budget deficit is, of course, presuming that Washington can actually pass a budget. And it does nothing about the debt. How about entitlement cuts; through a streamlining of the health care system? I would like to see $100 in medical spending actually provide twice the health care that it does now. I wonder how much revenue would be brought in by increasing the taxpaying base - the number of households that actually pay a tax?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Healthcare.? We've created lotsa savings with the ACA, we only need to put in a public option and we'll be saving hundreds of Billions annually.

$300B from the wealthy net year and every year. Unless those greedy selfish motherfucker fuckers complain. Then we ramp it up to $400B. And of course it will increease because we will have more wealthy people.

$300B growth is a natural outgrowth of getting the financial house in order. And that will build on itself. Don'tcha know nuthin 'bout economics?

[-] 2 points by gsw (2737) 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6463) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

There was a huge boom in jobs when the tax rates we will going to were first set in 1993, 23 million jobs in eight years, we haven't had nearly that many created since we cut taxes in 2001, so I would say if we want more jobs better go to the 1993 tax rates.

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

too logical !

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6463) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Though one must accept the reality, and even though I wish it wasn't so, we really need to add say 5% to the Clinton rates for incomes from $250,000 to $1,000,000 and 10% over $1,000,000 that would bring the top rate to 49.5% and those that pay it should get out of bed every day and kiss the ground and thank God they live in America.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

How funny is this?

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

That is essentially not funny at all.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I thought the repubs weakness was kinda comical.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

It is comical. Naive also.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You mean naive on Boehners part?.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

Naive on DKA's part to think that there would actually be cuts to military spending or that tax cuts for the wealthy would cease, let alone that, the population would get involved as a result. That is what I meant. Not as a slight to DKA, because what it takes to awaken the public will require more than just a 30 second blurp on MSM.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Bush tax cuts for the wealthy WILL die in the next 3 days. That ain't naive.

It ain't enough, s/b 90% rate but that would be our next fight.

We have cut military spending already and we will again. Soon.

It ain't enough! s/b 50% but that would be our next fight.!