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Forum Post: Petition to fight Citizens United 100,000. How to get a Republican to Sign Bernie Sanders' Petition? OccupyWallST should make a news article.

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 19, 2011, 11:31 a.m. EST by jomojo (562)
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Lockean posted the petition details. Thanks.---I live with a republican who isn't interested. Any suggestions?

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[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

To get a republican interested, democrats would have to start exploiting the ruling more effectively than republicans. It's really a no win situation, although (as I keep saying) Citizens United is NOT a "for-profit" corporation (and corporate personhood was not the basis of the CU decision).

Considering this, and the language of the proposed amendment, it would NOT overturn Citizens United, and it wouldn't even stop advertising by super-PACs. I say again, THE AMENDMENT WILL NOT STOP ANY OF THIS ACTIVITY.

Read the amendment people. The key language is:

8 ‘SECTION 1. The rights protected by the Constitution 9 of the United States are the rights of natural persons and 10 do not extend to for-profit corporations, limited liability 11 companies, or other private entities established for busi- 12 ness purposes or to promote business interests under the 13 laws of any state, the United States, or any foreign state

Citizens United is NOT a "for-profit" corporation, it CANNOT be considered an organization established for business purposes (under any reasonable interpretation of the language). It is exclusively a political organization, established solely for the purposes of political activism. The same is true for "super-PACs." So I'm afraid this amendment is a complete waste of our time (it won't change a damn thing). If we insist on an amendment, then we need a new one. This is an unproductive distraction.

I mean, I'm not against the idea, but let's not get so caught up in an idea that we ignore the technical problems of this proposal. It's worthless, it won't change anything, we need something else, the end.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=f1c2660f-54b9-4193-86a4-ec2c39342c6c--------

186,709 have signed. Please sign.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

Please sign the Petition---------http://sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=f1c2660f-54b9-4193-86a4-ec2c39342c6c-------------108,474-------------Merry Christmas

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

106,045 12-22-11

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

Anyone share this to their Facebook page, or twitter it??? Just think of all the negative political ads, we'd miss. PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION http://sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=f1c2660f-54b9-4193-86a4-ec2c39342c6c

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20423) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Identify what she really believes. Does she believe that corporations should be allowed to pour millions into campaign advertising in the run up to election?

Naturally you can't just ask her flat out - not if she has already stated she just doesn't like politics. She might just lie, in an effort to see if you are willing to grant her the freedom to believe what she believes.

The thing is, if she ultimately believes in oppression - well. I guess that's something you have to deal with, not me, so . . . .

In any case -

Here's more info on the Sanders Amendment:

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

ZenDog, If Rocky Anderson and the new Justice party fails, I may write you in for President. You hit the nail on the head: "the freedom to believe what she believes". She watches those fat cat preachers on tv, (that need their tax exemptions taken away), while I'm watching Free Speech TV and Link TV and wasting time here. We're over-matched, but so was David throwing stones at the Giant.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20423) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Ah well.

Good luck with Rocky. If that doesn't work out, and you really don't like your options for President come election, I will of course be more than happy to entertain both your support and your vote .. . .

ZenDog for Prez

[-] 1 points by demcapitalist (977) 2 years ago

find a new room mate

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

I'd never find a better person. She doesn't like politics.

[-] 1 points by demcapitalist (977) 2 years ago

Probably not worth ruining your relationship over one signature ---find other signatures. I signed it

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

Good advice. I'm also interested in the casino/politics aspect of Wall St? Wall ST for Dummies? I asked a friend who was at her job in a casino, "what's the best bet?", she replied, "there's one sure winning bet here", and pointed towards the entrance, and said, "leave".

[-] 1 points by demcapitalist (977) 2 years ago

I know a bit about all that. What aspects are you interested in? Give me a place to start.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

Maybe something about how the small investors are being suckered into thinking they are protected by their justice system, or how to convince a relative how they can't trust all of their broker's encouragement to invest. I used to be quizzed by newbies about business, they never asked about their personal work or spending habits. They, like me, don't know what's important.

[-] 1 points by demcapitalist (977) 2 years ago

There's a lot of scams out there for sure and your not protected from them when you invest, look at Enron shareholders. The best way to protect yourself is to diversify. If you or your relative is a small investor probably most of the investment should be in well researched mutual funds. Believe it or not stocks are not the worst place to be these days. Some pay a nice dividend and they really didn't have much to do with the banking crisis. The stock market crashes we have seen the past few years have been mostly a result of something called deleveraging due to problems in the bond market. In the years leading up to 1929 wall street got creative with their products and made leveraged mutual funds out of stocks, they were a disaster and played a huge part in the 1929 crash. Interested in leverage? I can try to explain that in a simple way. Leverage, derivatives, and the law changes regarding them are probly the biggest reasons for the crash.