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Forum Post: OWS Rebels - Have You Ever Considered the Very Notion of "WHAT is Law?"

Posted 6 years ago on Feb. 3, 2012, 1:13 a.m. EST by owsleader2038 (-10)
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There are also a lot of laws that some of do not readily understand.

This ignorance usually leads to personal interpretation of the "law" and it suits one's own purpose and it usually exclusively directed at the person, corporation or whatever that it is target of the misguided interpretation.

Maybe, that is why we have courts - suppose??

No Grasshopper, we have courts so that the military powers that win wars can continue THEIR POWER during 'peacetime'. (José Ortega y Gasset (Spain, 1883–1955) ...)


He wrote many influential books on legal theory, which traced the creation of individual rights from ... José Ortega y Gasset (Spain, 1883–1955) ...

Courts only exist in times of post war to settle differences, during times of war everything is under martial-law, where the top military person can execute anyone any time they so wish.

Courts and law throughout history are only very short-time exercises during times of non-war, I think it was Jose Ortega that wrote best on this subject of 'Law'.

Ortega is to law, what Von Clauswitz is to War, he wrote the book.

Given that the USA Government is at war with its people, its essential to understand War, read Von Clauswitz, and learn about law, read Jose Ortega.

Most interesting is Von Clauswitz the GodFather of War to all including WestPoint the cream of the crop of the USA killing machine. Von Clauswitz define's war as "Disarming the Enemy", ... funny that's exactly what the US government has been trying to do to the US citizens since the 1960's, ... Disarm them.

1883-1955, Spanish Essayist, Philosopher

Quote Bullet The cynic, a parasite of civilization, lives by denying it, for the very reason that he is convinced that it will not fail. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Cynics and Cynicism]

Quote Bullet The difficulties which I meet with in order to realize my existence are precisely what awaken and mobilize my activities, my capacities. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Difficulties]

Quote Bullet The essence of man is, discontent, divine discontent; a sort of love without a beloved, the ache we feel in a member we no longer have. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Discontent]

Quote Bullet The good is, like nature, an immense landscape in which man advances through centuries of exploration. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Goodness]

Quote Bullet The mass believes that it has the right to impose and to give force of law to notions born in the cafT. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Masses]

Quote Bullet The metaphor is perhaps one of man's most fruitful potentialities. Its efficacy verges on magic, and it seems a tool for creation which God forgot inside one of His creatures when He made him. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Metaphor]

Quote Bullet There is but one way left to save a classic: to give up revering him and use him for our own salvation. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Books: Classics]

Quote Bullet There may be as much nobility in being last as in being first, because the two positions are equally necessary in the world, the one to complement the other. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Losers and Losing]

Quote Bullet This leads us to note down in our psychological chart of the mass-man of today two fundamental traits: the free expansion of his vital desires, and, therefore, of his personality; and his radical ingratitude towards all that has made possible the ease of his existence. These traits together make up the well-known psychology of the spoilt child. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Masses]

Quote Bullet To rule is not so much a question of the heavy hand as the firm seat. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Government]

Quote Bullet Towns are full of people, houses full of tenants, hotels full of guests, trains full of travelers, cafTs full of customers, parks full of promenaders, consulting-rooms of famous doctors full of patients, theatres full of spectators, and beaches full of bathers. What previously was, in general, no problem, now begins to be an everyday one, namely, to find room. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Crowds]

Quote Bullet Under the species of Syndicalism and Fascism there appears for the first time in Europe a type of man who does not want to give reasons or to be right, but simply shows himself resolved to impose his opinions. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Opinions]

Quote Bullet We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands on himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Excellence]

Quote Bullet We do not live to think, but, on the contrary, we think in order that we may succeed in surviving. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Thoughts and Thinking]

Quote Bullet We live at a time when man believes himself fabulously capable of creation, but he does not know what to create. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Creativity]

Quote Bullet Were art to redeem man, it could do so only by saving him from the seriousness of life and restoring him to an unexpected boyishness. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Arts and Artists]

Quote Bullet Youth does not require reasons for living, it only needs pretexts. Jose Ortega Y Gasset - [Youth]




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[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 6 years ago

I don't think I agree with Ortega. I agree with the Magna Carta (MC), years before him and the fact that the US constitution carried the rights of the MC forwards.

The US government is at war with the people, but for reasons not understood because no one knows about the "lost war" that the MC ended. If they understood that, then the civil war and how it never ended, but converted to a war on the people will be obvious. This page has most of the critical facts beginning with the MC.


[-] -1 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

You probably don't agree with Einstein either or Newton, ...

But if you were to bother studying law you would be taught that ONLY Ortega talked the truth, and all else is bullshit.

Why not get the books and read them and then tell us you don't agree with . José Ortega y Gasset (Spain, 1883–1955) ...

[ Don't worry its not really about 'hunting' this man is was one of the greatest philosophers in history ]



Yep, Magna-Carte great shit ... and so is Habeus-Corpus, and Posse-Comitatus, ... but guess what? In the Real world governments do whatever the fuck they want. I think Ortega takes understanding of the law beyond what its says, but what it really means in the mind of the men who made the laws.

[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 6 years ago

If you know so much, tell me who the winners of the "lost war" were. BTW, in case you don't know what the "lost war" was, it was ended my the Magna Carta. It IS NOT WRITTEN.

There are those cognitive distortions again. "all else is bullshit." "you'll never have a correct understanding" "you'll never have a correct understanding" You are conducting all or nothing thinking not functional.

BTW, I agree that the secret government WANTS courts and law to be as you say. That does not mean they are.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

The courts are the way they are because the judges are picked by the system, all court cases are quid-pro-quo,

Go ahead and believe that courts and cops are good, and have the best intentions in mind.

Courts are just a non-war time illusion. Permanent war is the goal of any and all states.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 6 years ago

Your entire post is cognitive distortions. Generalizations, all or nothing thinking.

You have not told me who the lost war were. The war ended by the Magna Carta.

I have not said that courts and cops are good. You assume I use cognitive distortions. You are thinking that I think like you think.

Cops and courts are people, some good, some bad.

Be accountable Explain who the winners of the lost war were.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

You are thrassy, I only reply to thrassy's BOT's once, ... that's it,

You have not told me the airspeed of Red Crested Wobbler, think deeply about Monty Python and ramifications and incorrectly answering this question.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 6 years ago

Not thrashy. I'm the producer of this video.


and this one.


and the author of this page.


and this page,


and about 600 others. trashass does nothing but spew.

Now answer the question. Be accountable Explain who the winners of the lost war were. Or admit you've never heard of the lost war, which predates the author you are promoting and saying writes the absolutes of what law and courts are by 400 years.

The books have been burned that had the knowledge the elite didn't want us to have. Last chance or forever be a cognitive infiltrator/traitor.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

Let's see this is what thrassy did with ZenDog say "Look I have written 3 storys on the Web, this proves I'm human"

Now we have BOT that says look I have 3 videos on the internet this makes me human,

What is the airspeed of red breasted Hungarian swallow? Now please answer the question.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 6 years ago

Okay, you have no idea of who won the "lost war" the Magna Carta ended and have no intention of doing anything but cognitive distortion, "labeling" and accountability is out of the question.

I'm sure you think of yourself as a great leader.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

I notice the people were not armed in the great depression riots


I don't think the general human population wants to carry gun

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

Get off your lazy ass and study the 'Bonus Boys' of 1932, they were heavily armed, as were most people prior to 1934 when the US government first started banning fire-arms.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

doesn't change the fact that I see most are unarmed in these riots

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

See what on youtube? From the 1930's??

Do me a fucking favor, ... read a fucking book, and quit watching youtube or TV,

Folks prior to 1934 were armed to the teeth in the USA, only post 1934 did the US government start banning guns', for white folk, it was always illegal for Native american Indians and blacks and mexicans to own guns.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago
[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 6 years ago

You are OWS leader #2038? How many leaders does OWS have??? I thought this was a leaderless movement. So if you really are OWS leader #2038, who cares what you think? We want to hear from OWS leader #1! Hell, we'll even settle for OWS leader #2, #3.... even #99. WTF, OWS? Why send out lower management to make these silly posts?

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

Kalle-Lasn is OWS#1, we call him "Dear Leader"

I'm OWS Leader 2038, cuz that's when UNIX roll's over to zero, see back when UNIX was created there were only 2**32 ( 4billion seconds) known to exist in the universe. Time only has about 4 billion seconds, and there was nothing before the 1980's, as any computer scientist can tell you, and post 2038 there will only be me,.. :)

Post 2038 life as we know resets to zero, that's when I come to power and replace Kalle-Lasn.


[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 6 years ago

So I shouldn't bother preparing for Y3k?

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

I already have that copyrighted and trademark, made my first fortune on Y2K, plan to make my second fortune on Y3K.

[-] 0 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 6 years ago

FINALLY! A post not solely intended to insult, but to contribute. Its about time.

Are you sure it's not "Revolt of the Masses"? I don't know of anything he wrote entitled "The Common Law." Can you provide a link? I can't find reference to that title anywhere.


[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 6 years ago

Thrassy? ROTFLMAO!

I did Google it, and couldn't find it. that's why i asked to to provide a link.

As to who should be banned, I would think that someone who comes here to announce that OWS is nothing but a bunch of "pussies" as you put it, and consistently denigrated its very existence, should be a prime candidate for banning.

I appreciate your (first and only, so far) contribution to actual thought on these fora by recommending Ortega y Gasset's work. Maybe you actually can be less of a schmuck.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

the links should open in a new tab

as they are offend referential to the point at hand

[-] -3 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

Von Clausewitz the GodFather of War, essential reading for those that want to understand the minds of those leading the US military system

Read his book "On War",

Understand 'law', 'war', and then understand how for 100's of years men&women have fought to free themselves from the chains of slavery.

Read Sun Tzu's "Art of War", and Mao Tse Tungs book on Guerrilla Warfare ( Che Guevara )

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 6 years ago

So it wasn't the philosopher Ortega y Gasset that wrote "The Law" (and not "the COMMON Law, as you wrote) that you were referring to, but the proto Libertarian Laissez-faire tripe of of Bastiat. That's why I couldn't find it.

I withdraw my complement. It's just Libe(R)tard shit.

[+] -4 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

José Ortega y Gasset (Spain, 1883–1955) ... Get this guy's books, they're classic and MUST read to understand all courts in the Western World.