Forum Post: OWS has to get real
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 20, 2011, 3:55 p.m. EST by cunoknobel
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If OWS is supposed to reach ANY tangible results, you need to:
- Get a leadership structure.
- Move from simple sloganeering to actual demands.
- Stop making preposterous comparisons like "OWS is like the Arab Spring."
- Keep the conspiracy theorists ("Bilderberg!", "Protocols of Zion!") at bay.
- Start your march through the institutions. This has worked before.
Otherwise you'll fizzle out.
5. Stop wasting time criticizing the people on this site and put out some of your own ideas if you have all the answers. Be a leader, not a Monday Morning Quarterback.
6. Watch Inside Job.
I think that is 6 and 7. He had two point 4s. :)
What is Inside Job?
I know he had two point 4s. I was emphasizing his superb mathematical abilities. Inside Job is a documentary that explains how our government and financial institutions deliberately crashed our economy for their own personal financial gain. It leaves not even a shadow of doubt that every single member of Congress should be removed from office, and fat cat execs should be prosecuted, thrown in prison, and their assets seized.
Here is a link to Inside Job:
http://www.movie2k.to/movie-525565-Inside-Job-film.html
Thanks. :) I love your 1776alloveragain. When does our Battle of Yorktown begin? :)
Forget it.
No it won't. It's not even the right target. No matter what you yell or how loud you get, nothing will change doing this. Either you follow the path of the Tea Party or it just remains entertainment for the masses.
Sure. The Tea Party is another Movement. On some things we agree. We will not "follow" the Tea Party any more than they would follow us.
I didn't say follow the Tea Party. Follow their path. They are established and effective. They did it rather quickly. How? Organization and a clear message. OWS is exactly what they warned us about when they said the Marxists are coming. Time and time again we see the dumbest people imaginable acting as if they speak for OWS. People believe that this is just an attempt to rally the useful idiots.
What are you going to do to change that?
OK. I can't really answer that. I don't know enough about how the Tea Party got going and how successful they have or have not been. I do get the impression that there are a lot of people with baseball and cowboy hats, waving the American flag and saying "down with Obama" a lot. Probably the OWS movement has some stereotypes also. We are what we are. It is a leaderless organisation, and I hope it stays that way. That is the big strength of the movement.
And that's why you will remain in a state of chaos. Cowboy hats? That's what you see? Meanwhile, those cowboys are holding a complete arm of Washington accountable.
Maybe it's time for you boys to put your boots on.
You have hit the nail on the head. The Tea Party doesn't want nationalised health care. Possibly they think that only poor people get sick, and they are too mean to pay for it. The OWS Movement don't want Wall Street or the greedy Banks to hurt the 99% any more. The core issues are quite different.
The first statement in your post is false. A fallacy. How can you follow the same path when you don't even see it clearly?
Fair enough. I am not a member of the Tea Party and cannot speak for them. They do criticise any proposals for a nationalised health care system. That is clear.
I do know what the Occupy Movement stands for though. We have a clear message, not muddled as some movement apeear to be.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA
I have been active here since the very beginning, and since the very beginning I have been trying to make some core points. These points clearly have not been digested or fully understood by the mob, and so I'm going to try to make a further attempt here again.
For these reasons, I beg of you to please immediately join me on the wiki. We need to have all of these details and all of these ideas put together in an organized fashion, rather than posted in a long scrawl which will never be read.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/
Have you ever been to a GA? All kinds of people have all kinds of ideas, good, bad and indifferent about what OWS should or should not do. They are shoulding all over OWS. But nobody, so far as I have seen has ever thought through or made any proposal about exactly how to go about getting there ideas implimented by OWS. That being the case, unless shown otherwise, I have to conclude that anybody who proposes something without a means to impliement it is not serious, but just a kibbitzer.
Hi. The movement is there to "stop the monied corruption of our Democracy". This is already happening, as we are on the march against Wall Street and the other finacial "bad guys". The GAs are coming up with the way to make this happen and further ideas to and maintain the support of the 99% and take care of day to day logistics, simply to keep the show on the road. Hey. We are popular guys, and the kids think we are cool!
You don't sound very serious to me, nor do you sound particularly revolutionary. That being the case, I can't see how "the kids" as you put it, who are serious revolutionaries, could possibly "think you are cool" or take you seriously. The revolution is about a lot more than a few paltry pieces of legislation or changes a few faces in Congress or even a Constitutional amendment. Read what it says at the top of this page. It says the revolution continues worldwide and that's not hyperbole, or your pathetic legislative nonsense.
That is the difference between being cool and just plain nasty. We are out to "stop the monied corruption of our Democracy" using Arab Spring protesting techniques.
We are not "serious revolutionaries", as such types would frighten most of the 99% and hurt them even more. The kids want what is decent and fair, not what is aggressive amd violent.
Read the top of this page, right under where it says Occupy Wall Street. It says the revolution continues worldwide! That is not hyperbole for us. We are revolutionaries. It is true that a lot of liberals attached themselves to OWS undoubtedly as the result of a misunderstanding and the fact that they haven't read the very few documents that OWS has produced very carefully, which is another liberal tendency. It is also the case that while revolutionary we are not sectarian which is why we have been able to reach out so successfully to those who disagree with us, but that in no way negates our radicalism.
Completely agree. The leaderless structure did have some advantages at first, as it drew attention to the cause. But it is now carrying huge costs. It is a magnet for fringe types who scare regular Americans away. And we need regular Americans if we want to get anything done in the next phase of the movement.
I am trying to promote that argument with this post, which already has 170 comments. Please email/tweet it if you agree. Thanks. http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-becoming-increasingly-unpopular-heres-how-t/
The capital of democracy is VOTES
Are we too stubborn to learn from Wisconsin?
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I would say rather than spending all resources on protesting, to get up and actually do something that provides favorable results. Although I do not support the rhetoric I have seen come out of the OWS I do think you have a good number of people who possess more skills and talents than sitting around holding signs and getting arrested. I would say to actually organize a project that brings some solution to people who need it. The spirit of giving is much more contagious than the spirit of taking. Do something that makes others change their perspective of what to expect from the OWS movement.
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I agree 100%, going as things are going, I can see police really cracking down on this leaderless, demand free, complaining mob of people.
Minor revision.
2. Move from simple sloganeering to actual MEANS TO GAIN LAWFUL AUTHORITY to meet demands.
but very meaningful.
they have already fizzled out...thank god!