Forum Post: Orwell 1984 has a new face "OWS 2011"
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 22, 2011, 11:22 p.m. EST by oreoobama
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OWS talks about democracy, but practices the worst kind of censorship and control.
What ever sympathy I had for the movement was quickly destroyed once I came online and found that virtually all debate is deleted and censored, and anybody that doesn't follow DNC 'talking points' is belittled, and what's most crazy is they embrace MSM bigger than MSM.
MSM at least allows dissent on their comment boards, on OWS anybody that doesn't follow MSM OWS propaganda is black-listed. Just go visit the so called 'chat', if try to talk about anything substantial you'll be black-listed and bumped off in a second.
I don't like dr-Paul, but find it very offensive that the children who run OWS have automatically setup this website to mangle his name to an offensive name, all people tried to do is bring DP's topics to debate, and all they get here are personal attacks. It's clear that like the MSM that OWS can & must exclude DP's rhetoric form their debate, ... but WHY?
Orwell could find OWS to be quite offensive, anybody that has been around this protesting biz for a decade or more knows in a second that OWS is a DNC/CIA/ADL crowd control tool for the upcoming election.
Obama just this week signed a deal in Austrailia to build the largest air-base in the Southern Hemisphere, to launch the bombing of Iran, why? Because Diego-Garcia is to close to IRAN's ballistic missiles, during IRAQ DG could be used. So this weeks while Obama's goons were spraying college kids with tear-gas he's ramping up for war. He'll keep the OWS kids occupied with protesting until the election, and then the OWS operatives will channel the liberal votes to Obama, in the meantime Obama will be to the right of Attilla-The-Hun.
OWS has no money. So much for it being a front. Every front has money and funding. It isn't the Tea Party, and vague ruminations made whilst upon the throne simply aren't the same as actual financial activity and documentation of its sources, which is what we have in the case of TP.
TP was a ruse. It tried to harness widespread dissatisfaction and turn it to corporate goals. But they were playing with fire. Discontent became mainstream. Any moron should have been able to tell that that dog would slip its leash, that you can't tell people what it is they are upset about, that you can't fool around with discontent and shape it without getting burned. But the elites these days are just any morons, their myopia is practically unlimited: most of them, and the Koch brothers are certainly no exception, are there by birth rather than merit. Like any aristocracy, they become increasingly incompetent with every passing year.
BULLSHIT, and I'm tired of the Tea Party getting this tounge-in-cheek bad rap. The Tea Party formed in much the say way as OWS did, organically, from the grassroots -- AND THEN THEY CO-OPTED IT.
We all watched it happen, and what's more: It's happening here to OWS too!
Tea Party just threw out enough populist ideas to sign everyone on, but they never presented a threat to the real powers. Millions were poured into it, because the bankers don't want to pay any taxes or have to deal with any regulations so they can pillage us all as they please. The TP was an ideal vehicle for them.
OWS isn't, and that's why it's not getting tens of millions in contributions from the usual suspects. It's not amenable to what they want. They don't want to co-opt, they want to get rid of it. It's also why there is a remarkable difference in how police react to OWS protests and TP protests. They have orders to maintain order at a TP protest, and orders to cause chaos and do violence at OWS.
I guarantee you that Rockefeller would have no trouble employing the communist/socialist aspects of OWS to do his bidding, and this "they aren't pouring in any funding' bit is
A red herring, and
Probably false.
If it's a red herring, show me some other front group of the same size that had no money. Otherwise you can't really claim it's a red herring. On the basis of no proof, you're asking me to accept something that nobody has ever seen ever before, and is difficult to even imagine (how would you get the ball rolling?)
You're selling your idea here. So far I'm not buying and I think with good reason, given the above.
The thesis of the O.P. was, and I quote:
"OWS talks about democracy, but practices the worst kind of censorship and control."
Funding is irrelevant to that point.
Secondly, evidence has already surfaced that there very well may be establishment funding for OWS; that is far from disproven.
Thirdly, your overinflated sense of self-importance is showing as you imagine that OWS is the "biggest ever seen before ever". Numerous protests, movements, revolutions, rebellions, uprisings, etcetera, have occurred throughout history -- and MANY of them were staffed by idealistic kids who were just CERTAIN they were up to something "new" and "unique" and "different" -- yet most of those groups were neutralized or dampenned through various means.
Don't kid yourself, for it will cause you to leave your guard down. Stay humbly mindful of the dangers the Tea Party experienced, don't be overly prideful, arrogant or ignorant of those dangers. Keep your guard UP!
And also: Do not become your enemy, or you will lose your friends.
You quote selectively and therefore deceptively. The OP stated more than what you mention, for example: He'll keep the OWS kids occupied with protesting until the election, and then the OWS operatives will channel the liberal votes to Obama. That is about more than just censorship etc, that is a claim that OWS is controlled by Obama, and yes, funding is very relevant to that.
Secondly, evidence has already surfaced that there very well may be establishment funding for OWS
You allude to mystery evidence. Enough said.
Thirdly, your overinflated sense of self-importance is showing as you imagine that OWS is the "biggest ever seen before ever".
It's certainly the largest protest movement seen in my lifetime. There hasn't been anything on this scale since the 1960s and by virtue of a larger population, it is in fact considerably larger than that in absolute (perhaps not proportional) terms. And I don't imagine myself as terribly important by that token: I don't even consider myself OWS, I'm just an observer, that is all. It's probably good for me if it succeeds on some level (ie prompts some reforms, changes the direction of political debate etc) but it's probably bad for me if it's too succesful (ie revolution or something like that)
Thank YOU, you are a geni-ass, even though the powers of OWS have labelled you a TROLL, but as we all know here on OWS that the REAL PATRIOTS of TRUTH will be called TROLLS by the fascists who control OWS behind the scenese,
NOT unlike wiz-of-oz, there is a WIZARD behind the curtain, and the boys&girls who run the OWS INTERNET get their rectums most hardened when anybody mentions the truth about this dog&pony show they call 'real democracy', or 'we represent 99%',
Pay attention to the man behind the curtain, and the fact that anybody who mentions him is called a TROLL should send great fear to all watching this circus called OWS managed by A I P A C, and DNC.
OK, agreed that TP is like looking up the corn-hole of sarah-palin, you sure and hell will not get me to defend TP.
But what you have done here is the cheapest from of intellectual dishonesty, you have found a strawman and attacked a fool, but this is really your only defense for the actions of OWS? Please stay on focus and justify the OWS and who it supports. Justify OWS censorship and betrayal of freedom of speech.
I'm not saying you support TP or trying to get you to defend it. I'm just saying that not every expression of discontent is a ruse. Historically speaking, genuine (and organized) discontent isn't even uncommon.
Who does OWS support? I mean you've made a claim, but no proof, and from the outset: the fact it has no money at all, doesn't make that look very likely. Every front is funded, and OWS has a conspicuous lack of any sort of funding at all. Occam's Razor applies here.
As far as censorship, freedom of speech etc, I don't know to what you are referring specifically. I would imagine the purpose of this site is to organize with the like-minded, not necessarily provide a megaphone for the movement's detractors: they have enough megaphones of their own. In fact, I really do not see how a website can violate anyone's freedom of speech, unless it is publicly owned. If I have a megaphone and don't let you use it to say anything you want, am I violating your freedom of speech? I'm not stopping you from getting your own megaphone, so no. And this is not like concentration of media ownership, since anyone can easily set up a website just like this one, and gain just as wide an audience (if there are that many who care to listen).
You have changed the subject, I never mentioned funding nor do I care about funding. This is a CHEAP intellectual truck to change track, a game I will not play. I don't care how many nickels OWS has or where they come from.
Specifically its right there if someone 'posts' "r o n p a u l" his name gets mangled into something mindless by the OWS servers. If you post on the OWS 'chat' and say anything other than dribble they'll bump you off.
By 'support' I made it clear that OWS is a front for the DNC, and re-elect OBAMA 2012, I made no claim about funding nor do I care.
You said there were issues, you still have not told me what are the issues. Lastly, since your some kind of self-made censor or leader of this site, I would like you to tell me who the hell the 1% really is, cuz I can't figure that one out.
I never mentioned funding nor do I care about funding. This is a CHEAP intellectual truck to change track, a game I will not play.
No, I'm introducing a salient fact. If OWS has high profile backers, where the heck is the money? I can ask that. It's not off-topic.
Specifically its right there if someone 'posts' "r o n p a u l" his name gets mangled into something mindless by the OWS servers. If you post on the OWS 'chat' and say anything other than dribble they'll bump you off.
So what? It's their megaphone. Why do they have to let other people use it however they want? Do you let strangers use your stuff however they want? If I come into your living room and start ranting about Jews and UFOs or something, are you violating my free speech to toss me out? NO! I can go rant on the street. If you try to stop me from speaking in my own living room, or on the street, then you are ... but not when I'm doing it in your space. One person's rights end where the other's begin, as they say. Don't people have a right to determine how their stuff gets used by other people?
Lastly, since your some kind of self-made censor or leader of this site, I would like you to tell me who the hell the 1% really is, cuz I can't figure that one out.
Well I just signed up today actually. All I'm doing here is pointing out that your notion of free speech as being able to use someone else's property without any rules of any sort at all, is a bit ridiculous (though a common misconception on the internet, where people feel they own every website they go to, or like it's all public property).
As far as the 1% I can only say that you are truly lazy. You could easily find out that it refers to the top 1% of income earners/asset holders.
No, I'm introducing a salient fact. If OWS has high profile backers, where the heck is the money? I can ask that. It's not off-topic.
There you go again I never said the word 'backer' nor funding, for once in your miserable lazy life, go back and read what I wrote, and focus on my words and not the words you want to imagine you see.
FYI I think what I said is that OWS is a wholesale front for A I P A C and DNC, that's not about funding, and not about backing, a front is a 'straw-man', the straw-man is young children who have not yet formed their mind about how the world really works, and folks like A I P A C can use the children of OWS because they're naive and malleable. COMPECHE?
for once in your miserable lazy life
What's wrong with you? Why do you people indulge in these histrionics? It doesn't make your case seem more plausible, it makes you look like a hysterical ant that I don't want to step on because ideas seem to hurt you. That's no way to have a discussion. Adversarialism is a fine method for arriving at the truth, but it isn't a playground for acting out.
FYI I think what I said is that OWS is a wholesale front for A I P A C and DNC, that's not about funding, and not about backing, a front is a 'straw-man', the straw-man is young children who have not yet formed their mind about how the world really works, and folks like A I P A C can use the children of OWS because they're naive and malleable.
You obviously don't understand what a strawman is. A strawman is a weak argument you falsely attribute to an opponent, set up so you can knock it down. If I were to say "Oh, I see, the OWS is a front for the Illuminati" so I could knock you down as a conspiracy theorist, that would be a strawman, because it isn't an argument you actually made.
As far as the connections you're making, how are you making them? Is there any evidence at all to support these connections or you just "know" it? I think it's the latter. You're arguing from a conclusion ... you've already decided that's what it is, and you'll look at the facts after, instead of the other way around.
I, for one, really appreciate your being here. Your coherent, rational-yet-compassionate arguments are a breath of fresh air.
compassion for whom? certainly not the palestinians.
The only compassion found in OWS is the spoiled brats of the 1% who see themselves falling into the abyss of being part of the 99%, and in their desperation the seek to re-invent themselves,
It's all going down and hard, welcome to the real world of poverty.
But you still haven't focused one single issue, you have changed the subject. I'm going to play a new game with you, I will not respond unless your talking about the subject at hand, and that subject here is OWS&ORWELLIANISM
Yes, your argument in support of OWS is so weak you must create straw-men like 'conspiracy' arguments to defend your weak 'consensus'.
When you see and orchestra, look for a conductor, if they're playing A I P A C music, look for the ADL.
You're too whacky to have a rational conversation with, sorry.
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I see you just signed up on the 22nd. I don't know how long you have been reading in these forums, but as one who leans left, let me just state; Obama is a neoliberal. Not a liberal. This has been spelled out many times on various forums. At best, most liberals see Obama as the lessor of two evils in terms of viable presidential candidates.
Ah lastly what's the point of when someone signed up have to do with an argument? That you can spend your time studying ones BIO, prior to a reply tells me a lot that your an insider of this spoiled-brat club called OWS.
FYI I'm a real life ANARCHIST, and damn near 70 years old, and have been involved in protesting the system my whole life.
What I say from the leadership of OWS makes me want to vomit.
How in the hell can you equate the actions of the GREAT OREO, with liberalism?
By NEO I can only imagine that neo-liberalism means DICKCHENY liberalism and that explains why OBAMA is killing US citizens without a trial, and sending drones to kill folks in the Arab world. Herein "NEO" means murder, thus MURDER LIB or MURDER CON is still murder.
I still demand to know what is the point of OWS if at the end of the day all they have to offer us is NEO-HOPE and NEO-CHANGE?
NEO by your defn 'murder'.
Easy my friend. Don't 'IMAGINE" what neoliberalism means. I'm surprised that you, as an anarchist, aren't already familiar with the the term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
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The fact is Orwell was a very left wing democratic socialist. Some would even characterize him as a revolutionary. He fought in the Spanish Civil War in the International Brigade on the side of the revolution and his death about a decade later was largely attributed to wounds he received there.
Orwell went to Spain through arrangements made by the British Independent Labour Party which was loosely affiliated with the Spanish POUM (loosely translated the United Workers Marxist Party).
Owell was staunchly anti-Stalinist while at the same time having absolutely no patience with reactionary Tory politics. He has largely been adopted by conservatives because of his staunch anti-Stalinism, but they are either unaware, or they choose to ignore his extremely left wing stances.
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The lobbyists seem to think the Democrats will benefit most from #ows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY38fknOKMs
Setting up campaigns to undermine the movement.
Watch for spies in your midst.
Rather than speak in generality's, once in your life try to be specific, what I consistently see here on OWS is cut&paste response's that are non-specific boilerplate. I HATE THE DEM&PUGS, but I see here that it's ok to bash Pug's and that's good, but as soon as someone bashes the DEM's they're black-listed and that is bad. OWS reminds me of google they came to the Game with "DO NO EVIL", and today GOOGLE is one of the most evil spying apparatus on the Planet for the NSA.
Judge people by what they do, not what they say, as listed here, we know what OWS is doing, and its NOT democratic in any shape or form.
The Spy's are those running these servers and passing OUR IP's back to the government let's make that perfectly clear.
I concur with those who speculate that OWS is a right-wing creation as it will do incredible harm to the REAL-LEFT, and NOTE OBAMA is NOT LEFT, he's owned by the worst asshole on wall-st a guy name DIMON, who was CEO of 'government saks' ( goldman-sachs),
In the OWS world, the truth will not set you free, it will simply get you censored.
I like Dr-Paul, and find it very offensive that the children who run OWS have automatically setup this website to mangle his name to an offensive name, all people tried to do is bring DP's topics to debate, and all they get here are personal attacks. It's clear that like the MSM that OWS can & must exclude DP's rhetoric form their debate, ... but WHY?"
"Just go visit the so called 'chat', if try to talk about anything substantial you'll be black-listed and bumped off in a second."
I agree...this is some total bullshit...
I really wish more people had the ball's to call this OWS movement for what it is, 100% UNIONISM, and today UNIONISM is cops, teachers, and prisons. The teachers today are no more different than the wardens at the prison or the guards at the Gulag's in the USA. They have turned the public education institutions into prisons for children and when the children become of age, they are sent to real prisons. All the WHILE the public-unions tax the people to death to pay for their slavery.
The ONLY thing that OWS cares about is preserving their place in the coming AUSTERITY that is what this movement is all about, I really wish more people could see the light.
Today more than 56% of the USA public get's a check every month from the government, and if OWS has its way it will be 99%, but who will pay?
I'll tell you who we'll continue to steal the worlds oil to pay for big government, and guess what? The DNC and A I P A C 100% support the murder and theft of the world to fund the USA police state.
So, are you saying that if I willfully submit myself into the care of whatever powers that are controlling the world everything is going to be alrighty?
I don't know if I can fall for such tricks. Not again...
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Forming a consensus to have a clear and coherent message is not censorship. Some people will have bad ideas. We should hear them all, but come on, some are really bad, probably immature.
A consensus is a powerful thing, Some will disagree. They will be welcome to acquiesce or find another movement to change the world.
Forming consensus is right out of animal-farm ( orwell ), let's see. DOUBLE-THINK, FREEDOM-is-SLAVERY,
For OWS I'll say the animal-farm motto is "OPINION is CONSENSUS", so long as you go with DNC talking points your a good farm animal, but if you spew any talking-points that goes against the DNC agenda then your a bad animal.
OWS likes to say "This is what democracy looks like", but in reality anyone who opposes the 'talking points' is labeled a traitor to the cause, but who's cause is this? If you know about all the arguments and positions then you know where they come from. I only have to read OWS manifesto's and talking points for about 30 Minutes and I know I'm reading the DNC and AIPAC talking points.
Consensus is a power thing and so is slavery, so is war, so is murder,
OWS likes to talk about 'freedom of speech', but they despise freedom of speech, and force everyone to form a consensus and not express their own opinion.
The official OWS mantra is "Your free to think as you wish, so long as your speech reflects our position."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making
There is nothing evil about forming a consensus. Click the link and read about it here.
All voices should be heard, but before you speak, understand how your opinion or idea will help OWS move forward to make real changes in the system, root out corruption, and make this a better world.
I think a long-term plan to design a curriculum of 'critical thinking' starting in 3rd or 4th grade, and make sure kids can think for themselves by the time they get out of HS. If we had done this 20 years ago Fox news would not exist.
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What Einstein said about controlling communication is well worth considering in this context:
"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."
Einstein is simply stating a point, but your using this explanation of power to justify the elimination of private capital, and what pray tell steal everybody's assets and then let OWS decide the best form of re-distribution?
I love Einstein and as a physicist myself I'm familiar with most of his technical and popular writing like the above, but what is the point of this contextually?
You have not said what you think, only posted what Einstein wrote out of context. Einstein condemned all political party's and power, at one time Einstein was asked by Israel to be its leader post WWII and he said no, he wanted no part of the political theater, actually what he said was "politics is temporary and comes and goes like seasonal flowers, I only work for that which is permanent". OWS has no chance of permanence, it is only theater ran by DNC to re-elect OBAMA after he bombs Iran.
All animals are equal. Some are more equal than others.
All animals are equal. Some are more equal than others.
ALL of the 99% are equal, the 1% is equal to the 99% and how?
Of the 99% are they really equal? Or are some more equal than others?
It's clear that OWS has no leaders, at least visibly seen thus in many ways OWS is the wizard-of-oz, and the 99% are munchkins, fearing the great-oz behind the curtain, but never seeing the great oz.
Are all the munchkins truly equal?
The more time I spend with OWS and study OWS and read their platform and watch them the more concerned I become that I'm seeing the MOST EVIL organization in human history, its very much like HITLERS 'MEIN KAMPF' but without the public face or name of HITLER. The beauty of this is that people can be replaced and nobody knows.
Judge OWS by what they do NOT what they say. Le's look at what they do.
1.) They love OBAMA 2.) THEY love DIMON #1 banker in USA who paid for Obama's political campaign 3.) They love I S R A E L 4.) They love Unions 5.) They love government
Now lets look at what they hate
1.) They hate p a l e s t i n e 2.) They hate anybody that mentions the history of US government 3.) They hate R O N P A U L or anybody that wants to strip I S R A E L of financing. 4.) They hate the 1% that they refuse to define,
what is msm?
MSM means mainstream media, such as TV abc, nbc, and cbs they are all owed by GE, westinghouse, and other parts of the military industrial complex.
GE's CEO is also Obama's best friend.
Everyone likes to talk about the 1%, but OWS is the biggest supporter of the 1% in the USA. Go Figure?
I think reality now requires that people have better memories than they did 30 years ago. Back then, there were such things as experts, journalists, historians, and then there was entertainment. Somewhere along the way, all of those ingredients got thrown into the same bowl and somebody threw in a bomb....Fox News.....and the pieces went flying everywhere.
It is simply impossible for someone below the age of 30 to understand what someone like Walter Cronkite meant to this nation. You have to look at very old newspapers to discover that people used to have make up the pictures in their head and that words have value.
MSM is the exploded pieces of what was and the web.....a confirmation bias waiting to happen.....So, the key is to have a very good memory as you must now compare one person's "facts" with "anothers."
In this world, we are entitled to our own opinions, but we are not entitled to our own facts. That sentence should be the basis of all political interactions and news reporting.....but, you forgot about the entertainment bomb.....facts are boring little things and people that spout them are elitists.
'Facts' you have Israel disputing the existence of Palestine, its official rhetoric by Israel government that Israel has a nation has existed in continuity forever.
The US government factually denies global warming, and for that matter pollution.
Israel denies they have nuclear weapons yet the CIA's own CIA-FACTBOOK proudly proclaims how many nukes Israel has.
No the problem isn't facts, the problem is the world (USA) is ran by liars.
Folks were shit eating fools 50+ years ago and most didn't know anything, then as now, and throughout human history 95% don't know what is happening, 3% know what's happening, and 1-2% make things happen, this is a constant in all human populations, and including rat/monkey populations.
Like the movie "V for Vendetta" say's, "SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY", but most don't know why or have a clue, they just feel the pain.
Study our history, witch-hunts, mcCarthyism, today we live in Nirvana compared to the past.
In summary take care of yourself and your family, educate yourself the best you can, become one of the 3-5% who know what's going on the in world and protect your self and your family.
Lastly, get the hell out of the USA before its too late, its all going down, and once it goes down everyone will be robbed by the government and passports pulled, this has happened too all collapsing governments in the past and the collapse of the USA is no different. Right now today the 3% and their money are getting the HELL OUT OF THE USA, ... why? Cuz its too fucking late to do anything than go to a GOOD place to live, the USA is beyond redemption and in the next civil war that's coming it will be cannibalism everywhere.
I wonder what someone like you thinks of when they see one of those electronic bug zappers?
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Thanks for the likes, maybe we can keep this thread above air for more than a few minutes, it doesn't take long to figure out how the game is played here.
Judge people by what they do and not what they say.
I like what dr-P say's, but do feel that he rep's the status quo, but there people here are like Pavlovian dogs that salivate with irritation when they even hear his name let alone his ideas, so we never get that far.
Having been around this shit my entire life, I can say what the deal is, Dr-P opposes the public-unions ( mostly edooocation union, which even FDR oppposed ), once the Public-EDUC unions decide to demonize you, your household name becomes synonymous with buggery or necrophilia. So these young kids just tune out when us old-farts talk about "HOW THINGS USED TO BE", these kids only know fascism in the schools and metal-detectors they have NEVER SEEN FREEDOM. They're told that the fascism came from Dr-P, but in fact it came from the goons running the public unions and DNC.
In some ways it would be better to discuss topics and NOT mention names then the predicted Pavlovian response would happen.
Just focus on SHIT that's important like "CEASE ALL MILITARY ADVENTURISM", which dr-p opposes and OBAMA loves, but you don't have to tell the kids where this idea comes from.
The real problem is OWS is pro-war and pro-killing machine, so nobody can really expect change from such a machine, what would have been better is an "END THE WAR MOVEMENT", but sadly CROOKS running wall-st were clever to create this ORG, and mobilize the masses to be chasing their tail and unknown 1% who can be clearly labelled later when it is convenient.
For now the WORST 1% asshole in the WORLD is OBAMA, and his patron is a bank-robber name DIMON who should be in prison, and NOT one of these 'leaders' on OWS will allow this topic. If the debate can't happen today, it sure as hell will NOT be allowed tomorrow.
IMPRISON OBAMA NOW FOR THEFT AND MURDERING US CITIZENS
THIS IS WHERE WWII was WON ( Darwin, Australia ), and OBAMA thinks this is where WWIII will be started and finished, ... and not a peep from the LEFT!
The Obama administration plans to bolster the American military presence in the Persian Gulf after it ... forces in Kuwait able to respond to a collapse of security in Iraq or a military confrontation with Iran. ... Obama Onto Australia Next to Seal Deal to Base Marines in Darwin -AUS ... This is where World War II was won. ...
China ( who buys its oil from Iran ) has voiced its concerns over a US military deployment in Darwin, Australia, the first long-term expansion of the American military presence in the Pacific since the end of the Vietnam War, as seen in this report from China Central Television, the major state broadcaster of mainland China.
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So there you have it the biggest military move in the Pacific since the Vietnam war, and the so called 'left' running the OWS call it a conspiracy.
World send condolences to Australia about new Super Base to launch WWIII.
My condolences to the People of Australia
My warnings to the women of Australia, especially northern Australia
Last week's visit of US President Barack Obama's to your country and his announcements to your government to deploy 25000 US Marines to northern Australia has put the people of Australia, especially women in northern Australia, in grave danger. While I understand that Australia has its own military, allow me to suggest that no state military approximates the danger of the US military in the world today. It got to be number one through its ruthless disregard for human life under a government, the US that is, that has flaunted all international humanitarian law.
Report I heard said 2500 not 25000
It's now 250,000, tomorrow it will be 2,500,000, in the astronomical sense by the end of the month it could be as large as the CDS insurance obligation
Why is it that people in the USA don't know about this war? I really think that they're using OWS to keep the liberals preoccupied with Obama's WWIII to get him re-elected,
Kids should be protesting this new world war against Iran an the entire Persian Gulf, but instead they're protesting an unknown 1% on the assumption that they belong to the 99%, all the while the 1% is running the debate, but it works because even talking about this new 'super base' is conspiracy. Which crazy, because the conspiracy by definition requires secrecy and this base isn't secret, well its only a secret to the MSM in the USA, but here in Australia we're mad as hell that the USA is going to fight WWIII from our soil.
The CIA is calling a 'training base', but all us Military folk down here are calling it a missile launch site that will be the biggest in the southern pacific ocean. Sure china opposes this but, because they hate to see the USA steal the Iranian Oil.
New US training base in Australia is all about the rise of China
Christian Science Monitor - 6 days ago The news that thousands of US troops will be headed to a forward base in Australia over the next several years is a robust confirmation of what senior ... Obama boosts US military in Australia, reassures China - Reuters UK Obama's Australia Visit Focuses on Regional Security - Voice of America Obama's speech to Parliament: experts respond - The Conversation
Please tell me about the 'conspiracy' you really don't know about the base authorization this week in Australia? It's all over the news down here where I live, we sure and hell don't want our country to be a base for WWIII.
You had me until the Obama conspiracy crap.
Still waiting for you to tell me how Obama's launch spot for WWIII in Darwin, Australia is a conspiracy secret it only seems' that its a secret ( conspiracy ) with the ranks of OWS censors.
We're in a brave new world and ows is 1984. Too ironic.
I fail to see how ows has it's boot stamping on human faces. You are confused.