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Forum Post: One of the Elect

Posted 7 years ago on Feb. 15, 2015, 12:32 p.m. EST by agkaiser (2515) from Fredericksburg, TX
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"This is not going to end well. Not unless we speak up. Not for anyone amongst us. This one will not pass by your door, or mine. We're approaching decision time. For the world, for your life and mine. It's time to pick sides." http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/ilargi-ukraine-trapped-narrative.html

Imagine the great depression. The power elite, who own most of everything, have broken their money machine. Because investors aren't thriving, the whole system begins to shut down. Many millions come close to starvation and many die or suffer greatly. This is not because the goods can't be made and distributed. The factories, farms and mines are intact. The workers are ready, willing and begging for work even if they are a little less able due to hunger. The poverty and privation exists because the rich assholes who own the world have broken their perpetual motion of money machine and won't allow anyone to fix it, if that means losing Wall Street's control of the economy.

Many of their hangers on have perished by loss of income or desperation driven suicide. But most of the rich are still thriving: a small fraction of them, perhaps, somewhat less lavishly than before the crash. [of 1929 . . . of 2008, of ...] So God forbid that we the people take control of our economy, reopen the factories and take the produce of the corporate factory farms and monopolistic food processors and distributors (finance managers and chemical company overlord/bankers) that we may live. Centrally controlled economy by Wall St. is the only planning of the system we depend on for life that will be tolerated. People owning and operating our own means of survival is godless collectivism. Just ask the geniuses at FOX [propaganda] NEWS.

No! The debt we owe them is sacred. No Jubilee that Moses and other Mesopotamian priests and kings declared when wealth became so concentrated that the system broke and the slates needed cleansing before the economy could work again. We've progressed too much since that day to let common sense fixes such as universal debt forgiveness rule, by thwarting the concupiscence and greed of the ruling elite parasites. That they'll have it all back again and we'll owe them again in no time if the system itself isn't changed is not acceptable to our owners.

I fear I'm wasting my time. I fear you've drunk so much of the capitalist kool-aid that you fear you can't live without the masters who own you. That they're an existential threat to all of us and our progeny is a thought you may not, will not and cannot think. That it's time to do something different, even if it's wrong, is heresy. That the current system is hopelessly flawed and must end in disaster should be obvious but isn't is a tribute to the power and skill of your programmers (the ultra con) and the algorithms that rule what you call thought. If you like the capitalist system, if you think you thrive in it and you're worth less than five million, you're a weak cowardly brain dead fool. But then there are none of us who weren't meant to be billionaires. We've just had some bad breaks and we'll all be rich tomorrow. We really don't want to look at the numbers now do we? Don't need to. You know you'll be one of the elect.







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[-] 6 points by agkaiser (2515) from Fredericksburg, TX 7 years ago

Some are beginning to awaken!

We may survive the self extintion event. We may!?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

HSBC bank has just been caught red-handed helping some of the world's mega-rich dodge taxes! We'd go to prison for this, but governments are treating these powerful people like they're too big to jail. Let's show them they're not.

Our governments are losing $3 trillion a year to tax dodging -- enough to end extreme world poverty many times over! This leak is the biggest in banking history -- if we don't seize it now to get prosecutions, we may never get a chance like this again.

UK finance minister George Osborne faces an imminent election, while Obama’s new nominee for US Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, has yet to be confirmed in her new job. They're both very sensitive to the public right now, so our million-strong call, delivered via ads and with legislators, could get them to investigate, prosecute, and send the tax-dodging elite a powerful signal: no one is too big to jail!


The UK is HSBC's home country, and the UK and US have jurisdiction over thousands of the tax-dodgers. If we get them to prosecute first, it could trigger a worldwide wave of accountability.

The mega-rich often cause damaging financial crises with wild speculation, get bailed out by taxpayers, then argue that public spending on schools and hospitals should be slashed to meet the resulting deficits -- all while many of them fail to pay their legal share of taxes! This austerity-spiral is driving a rapid worldwide increase in inequality.

Just 85 billionaires have as much wealth as the poorest half of our planet -- wealth they too often use to buy politicians and capture our democracies to keep the whole system going in their favour.

It's time to stop this damaging downward spiral, and making the richest pay their taxes would be a massive step. Let's make it happen:


Avaaz is all about the many gathering the power to stand up to the few. Law is a contract that links us all together, equally. Thousands of the world's most powerful think they're above it. For the sake of our democracies and our societies, let's show them they're not.

With hope and determination,

Alex, Bert, Laila, Ricken, Marie, Andrew, Nell and the whole Avaaz team


HSBC could yet be prosecuted over tax-dodging scheme, warns Loretta Lynch (The Guardian) http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/10/hsbc-tax-files-loretta-lynch-prosecution

HSBC bank ‘helped clients dodge millions in tax’ (BBC) http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31248913

Banking Giant HSBC Sheltered Murky Cash Linked to Dictators and Arms Dealers (ICIJ) http://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks/banking-giant-hsbc-sheltered-murky-cash-linked-dictators-and-arms-dealers

HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions (The Guardian) http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/08/hsbc-files-expose-swiss-bank-clients-dodge-taxes-hide-millions

Tax-havens: Super-rich ‘hiding’ at least $21tn (BBC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18944097

Illicit Financial Flows from Africa: track it, stop it, get it (Africa Renewal) http://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/december-2013/illicit-financial-flows-africa-track-it-stop-it-get-it

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[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

HSBC is a weapon.

[-] 6 points by lugano (1221) 7 years ago

The ''Hong Kong, Shanghai Banking Corporation''aka 'The Heroin Shipping Banking Corporation' has its roots in The Opium Wars! It's always been a cross between a pit of vipers and a nest of thieves. These bastards need to go to jail for serious lengths of time... as fines are paid by the bank that do not touch individuals. No jail equals Big Fail but don't count on the Brits to do diddly as they've been captured by bankers as London is Global HQ of Finance Crime, with Wall Street off-shoring its darker crimes there.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

Thank you lugano for info.

[-] 4 points by lugano (1221) 7 years ago

You are welcome and here's more ''info'' - https://www.popularresistance.org/

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

One of many employed by the obscenely bloated wealthy.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Social Security is a benefit that Americans have paid for through years of hard work.

And the Social Security disability trust fund, in particular, is a vital lifeline for millions of Americans who are to incapacitated to work.

Yet, despite the strict requirements for participation in the fund, recently Rand Paul and other members of Congress have gone on attack - slandering people who rely on the Social Security disability trust in the name of making radical, unprecedented budget cuts.

Americans with disabilities are not pawns in Rand Paul's political games, and it's time he recognized that.

Take action today: Send a message to Congress to reject Rand Paul's attacks on Americans with disabilities and to stop playing politics with Social Security!

Thanks for taking action,

Ellen B.

The Care2 Petitions Team

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

Social Security and USPS are among the few good things remaining, of the US Government.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Yep and both under attack by that notorious group that no-one wants to mention because - hey both groups are the same - STILL - something really wrong with that math.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

Hi DKA, Going away for a few minutes, to message reps on TPP (not the first time).

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

TPP. . . . . damn that corp(se)oRAT shit really pisses me off. And now they have very favorable odds in both houses.

[-] 4 points by gsw (3400) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 7 years ago

Politicians....Just doing what they are told to do, from those with the money


"This research raises the disturbing thought that our political system is no longer representative. As Barber notes, about half of all donors are from out of state, meaning that politicians are no longer responsive to their voters (though they are slightly more during election years). Given that only .22 percent of Americans made a donation of more than $200 (the level Barber studies) in 2014, we have power evidence that America is now a government of the one percent — indeed, of the one-fifth of one percent."

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

The 2014 elections made it even more so. Now things that had been stalled are gonna get pushed through - and we got a bunch of idiots running around crying duopoly - where prior to the 2014 elections there was resistance - there still is but now that resistance is in the minority of both houses.

[-] 2 points by gsw (3400) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 7 years ago

System needs big reforms. There is no people's branch anymore in congress. It's a shame.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

If there weren't - then we would not be having this discussion - and the post office would already be gone and social security with it along with the last vestiges of the FDA and EPA and FCC and and and.

No the problem - is - 2/3 of the population have dropped out and allowed the corp(se)oRATists have their way. Now we are looking at some really rough roads to travel as 1% servant majority turn up the heat and the only thing really standing in their way is the possibility of a veto - until the next election - then if it goes as badly as it just did in 2014 - they will likely pick-up a large enough majority to be able to override a veto.

[-] 4 points by gsw (3400) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 7 years ago

Ok. Or people may wake up and smell the oil burning in their water,

And wish to do something

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

As another oil train mysteriously derails? Funny (not) the proliferation of such incidents ever since the pipeline expansion was denied. Though I really do expect to hear some horror stories come out of the North Dakota fracking fields - yeah the area is sparsely populated - but - people do still live there.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

It is all troubling. They will sign TPP, without even seeing it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Without ever reading it without ever debating it without any public input - THAT SOoooooo SUCKS. No chance of a veto either - as - this is one that OH-Bummer is for.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago


but TTP is just rich elite making up rules

we shouldn't take them too seriously

it's not like we should follow these made up rules

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

it's not like we should follow these made up rules

OH of course not - we can all do as we damn well please - nothing to worry about - it's not like the police will (be sent) come after any of us for saying fuck you I am doing my own thing. That has always worked out real well in the past.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

it's not like TTp doesn't say fuck you when they make up rules

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

aslong as we buy into their created money, it could be a problem

but it's only the money they have not the rules

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

On -> World Wide Corp(se)oRAT activities.

VIDEO: John Oliver takes on Big Tobacco

This one was about tobacco - but - it could be about almost anything Corp(se)oRAT. TPP waiting to sue the world in the name of profits - even if they are out to kill you with their products and their operational practices.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Did you watch John Oliver last night? He devoted a long segment of his HBO show "Last Week Tonight" to exposing the tobacco industry's dirty tactics to hook kids on its deadly products.

And let me put it this way: I would not want to be Big Tobacco today.

John Oliver delivered a blistering takedown of the tobacco industry, exposing its kid-targeted marketing and its "intimidation by litigation" tactics. But the worst is to come: The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a highly secretive trade deal currently in negotiations that would give Big Tobacco even more power to attack governments for passing public health policies. And it would grant other corporations the power to do the same for the environment, labor, and democracy.

Dan, according to the latest reports, a bill to fast-track passage of the TPP could be introduced in Congress as soon as next week. Tell your representative to vote no on fast track of the dangerous TPP.

Here's how John Oliver summed up the problem last night:

"Countries can try to counteract the influence of [Big Tobacco's] marketing, but if the tobacco companies feel too threatened, they'll put them through legal hell."

We've seen this time and time again. That’s why we’ve challenged Big Tobacco around the world for more than 20 years, including the global tobacco treaty -- the world’s best tool to stop Big Tobacco’s attempts to export its dirty tricks to the Global South. And that’s why it’s more important than ever that we stop passage of the TPP -- to prevent Big Tobacco from using the trade agreement to sue governments around the world for passing policies that curb tobacco use and protect kids' health.

Your representative needs to hear from you right now, while they're still deciding whether or not to support fast track of the TPP. Tell your representative to vote NO on fast track of the TPP.

Thanks for standing up to corporate bullying,

John Stewart Deputy Campaign Director Corporate Accountability International

P.S. If you missed it, you can watch the full "Last Week Tonight" clip on Big Tobacco here. (Disclaimer: John's language in this segment is best suited for mature audiences.)

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Corporate behemoths like Chevron, Verizon and Lockheed Martin are snout-deep in the taxpayer trough.

Even companies affiliated with the infamously anti-tax, supposedly anti-cronyism Koch brothers have received $100 million from federal coffers in recent years (1).

And here’s what’s truly outrageous: Corporations that receive government contracts can secretly funnel untold sums to help elect (and re-elect) the very same lawmakers who are responsible for — you guessed it — awarding government contracts.

It’s a cycle of corruption enabled by a detestable loophole in election law.

But there’s good news: Closing the corrupting loophole doesn’t require an act of Congress. The president can fix the problem with the stroke of a pen.

Mark Presidents Day by urging President Barack Obama to sign an executive order requiring federal contractors to disclose their political spending.

Last week, President Obama expressed his strong support for a constitutional amendment to overturn the U.S. Supreme Court’s appalling Citizens United ruling (2).

Having the president’s support in the fight for a constitutional amendment to stop billionaires and Big Business from taking over our elections — an amendment that has been one of Public Citizen’s top priorities since the Citizens United ruling was handed down five years ago — is an awesome victory for our grassroots movement.

But actions speak louder than words.

If the president wants to fight corruption, he doesn’t need to wait for Congress and the states to pass a constitutional amendment.

He can use his authority RIGHT NOW to require corporations with business before the government to be transparent about their electioneering activities, allowing voters to see for themselves if their representatives or senators seem to owe Big Business any big favors.

President Obama has shown a willingness to challenge the do-nothing Congress by issuing executive orders on other important issues. Let’s encourage the White House to demonstrate the same resolve on transparency of money in politics and ending pay-to-play favoritism in government contracting.

Add your name to Public Citizen’s petition urging the president to close the corruption loophole.

If allowed to continue, the cycle of corruption virtually guarantees that parasitic corporations will keep siphoning our tax dollars into profit-driven boondoggles, even as congressional austerity extremists clamor for cuts to programs that assist struggling Americans.

Let’s end the cycle of corruption by 2016.


Rick Claypool Public Citizen’s Online Action Team action@citizen.org

  1. Media Matters: Koch Companies Have Received Almost $100 Million In Government Contracts

  2. Vox: President Obama: I’d love a constitutional amendment to reverse Citizens United

  3. Washington Post: Obama weighs disclosure order for contractors

© 2015 Public Citizen • 1600 20th Street, NW / Washington, D.C. 20009

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

Having the president’s support in the fight for a constitutional amendment to stop billionaires and Big Business from taking over our elections — an amendment that has been one of Public Citizen’s top priorities since the Citizens United ruling was handed down five years ago — is an awesome victory for our grassroots movement.

You are one funny dude...


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago
[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

efficiency is the real reason people don't have jobs

serving the people rather than jobs should be focused on

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

I couldn't agree more, "It's time to pick sides." we are in this mess because people refuse to pick a side and do something, waiting on perfection has destroyed us.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

Thats not the two sides the article is referring to, genius.

One track minds, the lifeblood of a politician.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

It is the wishy, washy, inability of stupid shits like you to "find a difference" that allow the 1% to rule.

[-] 3 points by lugano (1221) 7 years ago

So nothing to do with the inability of Democrats to offer something to The 99% that they can believe in then? If you blame voters for not buying Democrat policies and positions - are you prepared to criticize Democrats for what they are offering? Do you think that the 99% have now become apathetic because they have become hip to the fact that - Democrats Are Also Corporate And 1% Controlled, Sell-Outs?!

When love breaks down, the things you'll do

To Stop The Truth from hurting you.

When Barack has gone, the things we'll see

Will Ensure Forever, His Infamy! :(

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

you GOP loving asshole

[-] 6 points by lugano (1221) 7 years ago

What?! This is Occupy Wall Street and Wall Street has 'occupied' the GOP AND The Democrats! Wake the hell up there! Just where do you get off speaking to anyone like that and are you drunk - ''asshole''?

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

You elect the GOP with your work and you are responsible for what they do, who the hell are you to talk about what OWS stands for? OWS isn't about political parties it is about wealth inequality and if you are so stupid that you don't know the the GOP work day and night to make the rich richer you are stupid as shit, asshole, you think OWS is here to attack the political parties? It is much bigger than that. You stinking Greens and your dreams of grandeur are what screwed us up in 2000 and it has killed OWS.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 7 years ago

You elect 'GOP-lite' and call that 'change' and so empower the 1% and the GOP! I never voted Green before and always only to the (so called) 'left' of any choice I've had and where has it got me and us?

Democrats have been moving ever further to 'right' since Jimmy Carter and it has resulted in the entire national politics shifting 'right', such that FDR would not recognize nor approve of his own Democratic Party now.

OWS is here to attack both sides of our shamocracy. Your language tells me that you are obsessed with your side of the (so called) divide while the 1%, Banks and Corporations 'Occupy The USA'.

More of the same does not equate to change but if you think so, then good luck with that but try to see that OWS is more towards where we should be looking and also https://www.popularresistance.org/

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

You accept the GOP and allow the 1% to rule because you are a blind ego whore instead of taking a hard cold look at the world and seeing what needs to be done and applying yourself to the job, you imagine yourself to perfect, to be pure, you think yourself too important to deal with such "small' things.

You imagine yourself an engine for change when the truth is it is ego whores like you that keep the 1% in power and keep the system in place.

[-] 4 points by lugano (1221) 7 years ago

You are blind, boring, cranky and offensive and I'll try not to exchange opinions with you again but if you really think that the Democrats as they are now, are the answer to anything for the 99% - then we have nothing in common and it strikes me that it's your ego that's your problem.

The 99% are the ''engine of change'' that we need and somehow they need to be ignited and put into gear. OWS was a spluttering start and people like you and your 'GOP-lite' are threatened by that but Hillary Clinton will come along soon and save us all. NOT!

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

You are a political hack that cares for nothing but your precious Green party, you blindly give the 1% exactly what they want, or you do it willingly, it matters not to them as long as the GOP win.

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1756) 7 years ago

Actually the uber rich donate money to Democrats and Republicans, not Greens. Greens have a policy against corporate money.

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 7 years ago

These are serious questions and not rhetorical.

How many Greens ran for Congress last year?

How many of them came within striking distance of a victory?

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

The Greens are lying ego whores that don't give a shit about the country.

The Greens put W Bush in office and would put his bother in if enough people forget.

[-] 4 points by lugano (1221) 7 years ago

I have never voted Green as I told you but that doesn't mean I wouldn't because I'm not wedded to the illusions of a 1% controlled Democratic Party. What a hopelessly crass and cranky little man you are!

[+] -4 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 7 years ago


And the trend continues. Right Lugano?

By the way, where did you express your views before joining this site in the mid-term election year of 2014?

Link please.


That's what I thought.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 7 years ago

So who made you sheriff here? When did we have to start answering to you?

Have you any any idea what is happening on a Democrat President's watch?



There's your links - Where are your links about anything other than by or about you?

Are you actually capable of non-partisan communications on any important matters?

[+] -4 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 7 years ago

I asked you a very specific question and challenged you to provide links proving that you had expressed your views ANYWHERE prior to joining this very site on May 8th in the mid-term election year of 2014.

You failed to do so. The links are absolutely worthless in that regard.

Like I said, that's what I thought.

In diversionary return, you challenged me to provide links about anything other than by or about me. As if your attempt at a point in some way invalidated mine which I was able to prove in advance by making an accurate prediction.

Here you go (again).


And another. This one, over three years old.


Finally, you ask if I am capable of non-partisan communications on important matters.






Update: I've been watching. This comment just received two markdowns (so far) within a period of 90 seconds. Both well after midnight in all three US time zones. Like I have been saying for several months now, the 'duopoly' obsessed posers here are trying to make their numbers appear greater by posting and marking using multiple IDs. Half a dozen of which (that I know of so far) were created in the mid-term election year of 2014.



[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

you are nothing more than a tool of the GOP you tell the lies they need told to keep themselves in office so the 1% have nothing to fear....you are the 1% greatest protector

[-] 3 points by lugano (1221) 7 years ago

You're an idiot IF you think that R&D politicians are anything other than 1%ers working for 0.01%ers!

Clueless chicken-hawks like you are part of the problem. Here's what the R&D War Machine is up to

http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-serious-isis-in-iraq/#comment-1057049 so watch it and weep bozo.

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

You are a tool of the 1%, working to elect the GOP and keep them rich. You and those like you keep the GOP on life support and the 1% in power, the tiniest bit of truth would bring this whole house down but you and yours keep it propped up.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 7 years ago

No. You are really quite wrong about what you say about me and so please see my reply here...


[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8306) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Keep sending people there they will find more truth about you.

You do nothing but work to elect the GOP it is your only purpose and any who read your crap know it in about a minute.