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Forum Post: Oh boy, here we go.

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 3:57 p.m. EST by karai2 (154)
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We are all in for a difficult period. Paranoia, rumors, gossip, and conspiracy theories will be flooding the net, the media, OWS at a non-stop pace. Particularly if the economy collapses even further it is going to be hard to tell who to trust and everyone will be looking for a scapegoat. This country will need everyone's skills and assistance if the economy tanks. We are going to need to band together big time. But how?

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?

you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.

Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.

o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.

once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/

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[-] 1 points by JeffBlock2012 (272) 12 years ago

how? How about VOTING on a revolution? http://www.JeffBlock2012.com

But what is your time frame for "the sky is falling?" I figure to be here for the citizens when a revolution is called for by at least 30% of the citizens (same as our founders) and that won't be until our economy gets much worse, so I'm prepared for JeffBlock2016.com, or 2020, or 2024...

It IS going to get worse and I'm not a pessimist. I state that because our government system is a catastrophic system that addresses only yesterday's emergencies. We have no system in place to look forward to the next 10, 20 and 50 years and create policies and programs for a positive future. Until we change the system, the results of our broken system will just get worse...but don't take just my word for it:

This just in from one of our Senators (and NOT a retired Senator): "The system is broken and dysfunctional...and everyone knows that." ~ Senator Tom Udall, USA Today 9/29/2011

and from our recently retired Secretary of Defense: "We Have Lost The Ability To Execute Even The Basic Functions Of Government" ~ Robert Gates - retired Secretary of Defense speech at the Constitution Center

[-] 1 points by dubbad (22) 12 years ago

Wall Street laughs at us behind their protective walls as does the President and Congress. Kindred spirits UNITE! We need to expand to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and take our message to President Obama! Congress also needs to hear us. They both have the power to change things. Things that they created

[-] 1 points by DaveInNJ (9) from Union, NJ 12 years ago

There's one way, and OWS should do it as soon as possible. Develop a concise, strong list of what's needed. A list everyone can get behind. IF there was enough political capital, I would try and get big business and government untangled. Election donations are a stranglehold that big business uses to get away with whatever the hell they want.

[-] 1 points by mbnfromtheog (70) 12 years ago

we need weapons for a real takeover. however, guns are icky... wat do?!!?!?

[-] 1 points by 666isMONEY (348) 12 years ago

Eat corn (fed to pigs & cows) and soybeans with a pinch of salt & vitamin C. Also, ABOLISH MONEY.

[-] 1 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 12 years ago

"Paranoia, rumors, gossip, and conspiracy theories will be flooding the net, the media, OWS at a non-stop pace"

That's new?

[-] 1 points by karai2 (154) 12 years ago

Not new, just amplified if that's possible.