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Forum Post: *Occupy is the 1%'s Recipe for a Failed Opposition against them

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 12, 2012, 4:17 p.m. EST by captcha42 (54)
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* Recipe for a failed Revolt: • Have an organization labeled with a very negative connotation such as 'Anarchists' lead the opposition. Sure to lose a huge % of supporters right off the bat.

• Ensure the organization will NEVER participate in Politics or any other influential entities. This will yank many teeth out of your organization's bite and put a nice low glass ceiling on it's influence.

• Support many, many controversial causes. Eventually losing more and more support as the list grows. Support gay marriage, lose 10% of your supporters. Support illegal immigrants rights, lose another 10% support. Keeping adding more and more volatile causes as you watch your support dwindle. This will ensure your organization boils down to a dense core of radicals and made highly unappealing to the 99%.

• Do not involve your organization in cutting edge technology to garner support and inform the 99%. Such as an internet news channel like RT news, etc. That way your organization's voice can never be heard by the 99%. Feign effort by limiting your media to a low tech forum such as this one.

• Have your supporters protest in public. Demonstrating to the viewing population that opposing the establishment will only result in beatings and incarceration. It's also important to dress down and maintain a desheveled, threatening look, thus alienating the average Middle class citizen. If your demonstrators look ornery enough, the 99% may even enjoy watching the cops beat them on the evening news. Very important,make sure to lose as much Middle Class support as possible. Otherwise they might hugely bolster your organization's power.

• Stick to ONLY having your supporters get public beatings. Do not introduce any new tactics that will result in your organization becoming influential and acheiving success.

• Just add water.

There you have it, a perfectly powerless opposition that will never appeal to 99% of the 99%.

Think about it. The elites knew they were going to introduce class warfare against the population. So they created Occupy as a toothless revolt. It's clever to design a revolt with built in flaws that limit it's success. Occupy could then demonstrate to the population that opposition to the establishment will only result in failure. It's a great idea to create your own failed opposition before a legitimate powerful one will rise up against you.

Occupy has turned into a wet dream for the 1%. The People are desparately looking for leadership and an opposition that can acheive success for them. Hopefully a new organization that the 99% can truely support will arise.

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[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

STINKLE

[-] 0 points by captcha42 (54) 1 year ago

Your too obsessed to be objective,

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Obsessed? No - my understanding and perspective is just different then yours. You see failure? I do not. ( that is of course - if you are being honest )

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

We need to throw off the consensus model so we can grow.

We only need look to the failures of the Egyptian groupthink model. I recall them chanting "the people and the military are one" -- yet some of their own people were under arrest and being tortured. They went home as happy Panglosses, when they should have demanded a caretaker government (under el Baradei?). Refusing to listen to those with seasoned judgement, they were thoroughly outmaneuvered by the organized Muslim Brotherhood (hopefully that can still be reversed).

Here in New York, there wasn't even an appeal of the Zuccotti eviction -- when the physical occupying was the very strength of the movement. Shame, shame.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Either the paid trolls are getting really bored or the regular trolls are just really lame. Either way, this is a very 2nd rate effort. If it is a paid effort and I were your boss, I'd be asking for my money back. Try to go out on actual posts and engage in actual discussions. You might learn something :)

PS - Try to wrap your brain around this: "They (Occupy) know precisely what they want: They want to reverse the corporate coup of that’s taken place in the United States and rendered the citizenry impotent. Those who are protesting the rise of the corporate state are the true conservatives; They are calling for the restoration of the rule of law. It is the radicals who have seized power and have trashed all the regulations and legal impediments to a corporate or reconfiguration of American Society into a form of Neo-Feudalism." ~ Chris Hedges See full video of interview on national news here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAhHPIuTQ5k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 1 year ago

"They (Occupy) know precisely what they want: They want to reverse the corporate coup of that’s taken place in the United States and rendered the citizenry impotent. Those who are protesting the rise of the corporate state are the true conservatives; They are calling for the restoration of the rule of law. It is the radicals who have seized power and have trashed all the regulations and legal impediments to a corporate or reconfiguration of American Society into a form of Neo-Feudalism."

~ Chris Hedges

See full video of interview on national news here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAhHPIuTQ5k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Right on!!

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[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

A failure? I wouldnt say that.

But a shell of what it was? Yes. A few of the things you listed above are probably partly to blame. Others include media bias and lack of funds.

In my opinion, the main reason was poor organizing. It was all very young people. The amount of older people who came out to help and organize was extremely lacking. Now granted, some got chased away because of the no leaders tag, but one cannot expect first time organizers to not stumble about.

[-] 1 points by truthows (8) 1 year ago

OTP, You're right. The post deserves a lot of merit. Failure? no. But the post says "failed opposition". I think the post means Occupy was designed with flaws that would guarantee limits on it's potential. A movement engineered with fatal flaws and stigmas such as Anarchist's roots, Leaderless, non-political, support of many wedge issues, poor organization and a very weak assault on the establishment. Protests as the only tactic! Come on ! A one trick pony that will not succeed.

Occupy is personified as Oliver Twist begging the elites for recognition. We see Occupy getting beat up and abused by the elite. The 99% should not let themselves be depicted as pushovers for the establishment. The 99% are morally superior to the 1% and need to take the high ground. We should have powerful, respectful leaders and elected representatives in the halls of Congress. Talking DOWN and ridiculing all the Corporate puppets that presently Occupy our govt. The truth is on our side. The Govt is ours, why should we follow an organization that won't get involved and alienates us? The 99% deserve the greatest respect and dignity. We must fight for what is ours with honor. The 99% must not to be depicted as street punks getting beat up on the streets. Let us restore dignity to our righteous cause.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You don't like negative depictions? Protest the Media. You don't like OWS/OCCUPY - you are free to go elsewhere.

[-] 2 points by 11111 (3) 1 year ago

negative depictions? or Practices that can't help but be negatively depicted. Big difference.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Real? or Staged/arranged? Big difference.

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[-] 1 points by UnFriendlyObserverB (-55) 1 year ago

You're only encouraging him :-)

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So you wish - so you shills/quislings/sell-outs hope and work for - go eat shit and bark at the moon - it will be about as productive an activity as what you are doing here.

[-] 0 points by UnFriendlyObserverB (-55) 1 year ago

The Mods were quick .. he got his butt booted off

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Must be some one looking in at the moment - they can be startling fast at times. I wonder if it has anything to do with what mood a mod might be in on any given day?

[-] 1 points by UnFriendlyObserverB (-55) 1 year ago

You were almost as quick .. !

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Almost? I answered immediately. The mod did not beat me to the reply.

[-] 1 points by UnFriendlyObserverB (-55) 1 year ago

Lightening fast ! and with quality accuracy :-)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Mod? Or my flying fingered blazing quick response? I vote for the later.

Flying fingered rather then fingers as I am a more of a hunt and peck typist - still blazingly fast at times - depends on how well the synapse is firing.

[-] 3 points by UnFriendlyObserverB (-55) 1 year ago

Honestly , I was standing right there , and it all happened in such a blurr.. split second timing I think you both fired at the same time :-/

That troll is catapulted out into the desert somewhere .. admiring .. tumbleweeds ?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Was that the noise I heard? A sonic BOOM ?

[-] 2 points by UnFriendlyObserverB (-55) 1 year ago

I never seen nothing like it !!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I have but it has been a while - last time though I saw something like it was during the last major attack on the forum - then I saw it happen in strings - I would go to answer a comment and find the comment was gone before I could get there - and I try to do my best to respond immediately - well as soon as I see a message.

[-] -1 points by 11111 (3) 1 year ago

That's because you don't live in a dictatorship.

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[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

Nothing but false dicotomies through and through. Occupy is not limiting people's actions in any way. People in this movement are free to vote, and to run cadidates, or engage in any form of political activitty. It is a win-win situation, except for the 1%.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

There is a difference between people of a group backing things, versus the group as a whole taking a specific stand. The latter is much more powerful.

The poster has some valid points, that many of us have experienced first hand. There is nothing wrong with seeking out weak points, because it leads to corrections.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

The poster seems to see nothing but "failures." In fact the movement has not failed. It has accomplished what the intellectual left has failed to do in 40 years, awake the population to what is really going on. If it did nothing more it would sill be a success.

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[-] -1 points by Area5I (-5) 1 year ago

Let's stop this puppet show in D.C. The 99% have to rise up and ditch this sham 1% "Occupy movement" for REAL POLITICAL Opposition. Let's get into politics and clean house. Elizabeth Warren and Jesse Ventura for President !!! Rise up People. Drop these losers. Let's start something that can really change things.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You can leave and do your own thing at any time - no one is keeping you here.

[-] 1 points by Area5I (-5) 1 year ago

That's right loser. I can leave. You can't, this is all you got and you'll defend it no matter how much it's lacking. You will only support Occupy, never change. Bottom line.... You would rather be a big part of something bad, than a small part of something great ! Pathetic.

[-] -1 points by letsdomore (89) 1 year ago

" You would rather be a big part of something bad, than a small part of something great !"

WOW. Well said. People have to learn to leave their ego's behind and allow themselves to grow.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

OK - see if you are able to wrap your brain around this: "They (Occupy) know precisely what they want: They want to reverse the corporate coup of that’s taken place in the United States and rendered the citizenry impotent. Those who are protesting the rise of the corporate state are the true conservatives; They are calling for the restoration of the rule of law. It is the radicals who have seized power and have trashed all the regulations and legal impediments to a corporate or reconfiguration of American Society into a form of Neo-Feudalism."

~ Chris Hedges See full video of interview on national news here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAhHPIuTQ5k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yes - U R - PATHETIC.

[-] -2 points by beautifulworld (20525) 1 year ago

This is a good article by David Graeber who coined the phrase "We are the 99%." He explains why Occupy Wall Street has anarchist roots and why it works outside of the current political system, among other things.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-wall-streets-anarchist-roots/

[-] 0 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Cool!

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[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Gee Wilikers!! What have we here?

Just another douche bag that has a candidate or party platform to present. Same old same old.

[-] -2 points by letsdomore (89) 1 year ago

Well you know, they could have had operations such as protests that were highly dependent on fair weather conditions and seasonal changes. That way the environment would always be able to greatly threaten the effectiveness of their operations. Whoops. Never mind. It looks like they already included that in the recipe for failure.

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[-] -2 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

Excellent thread! A "Recipe" for failure well defined.

Human beings that need to see the occupy demands met, need to realize that the only legal process that can hope to compel the needed change is Article V. The US constitution is about human and civil rights.

[-] 0 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Corporations are the root of the problem.

[-] 1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

The mentality that allows corporations is the root, but in a social sense, if one social structure were to be blamed based on proportion, you would be correct.

Dynamic issues from destroying environment to corrupting official offices with $.

We are letting them because we are spiritually disabled from using our power, which is to agree. In America agreeing that upon constitutional intent is our power.

We have cognitive infiltrators here promoting that we should fear Article V and all of them evade addressing the effect of Preparatory Amendment, a very logical and obvious step that must be made before an Article V convention in order for all amendments to "have constitutional intent".

The beauty of rights, freedoms, justice peace and a quality environment that can by created by using our constitution is opposed by these unaccountable individuals.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

You haven't sold me.

[-] 1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

before 1895, corporations had no power. People hated them. The people changed and stopped resisting them. See the point? Posted w/iPhone.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Sorry. I don't. What are you getting at?

[-] 2 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

Explaining what I posted earlier about how we indirectly allow corporations to do what they do. In the past, it was opposite. Corporations were scum. Corporate intent was seen as sick.

"We are letting them because we are spiritually disabled from using our power, which is to agree. In America agreeing that upon constitutional intent is our power."

It seems the corps convinced a part of humanity with lots of power to join them. It is de evolutionary.

[-] -2 points by UnFriendlyObserverB (-55) 1 year ago

There also seems to be a strong connection between Occupy supporters and the Arab World..

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[-] -3 points by letsdomore (89) 1 year ago

Could be something to it. It is definitely a very ineffective organization.

[-] -2 points by captcha42 (54) 1 year ago

I'm just saying.

[-] -3 points by Area5I (-5) 1 year ago

Makes sense.