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Forum Post: Obamacare is Corporate Welfare For Private Insurance

Posted 2 years ago on June 30, 2012, 8:05 a.m. EST by lunyluvgood (28) from Portland, ME
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Please don't avoid watching this just because you don't want to bear the bad news. If you do, you're perpetuating the behavior further, into your demise.

Like and share. Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn09U7k_gzY

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[-] 3 points by lunyluvgood (28) from Portland, ME 2 years ago

Mark his words.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Great post and it's the GD truth !! Thanx for sharing.

[-] 2 points by lunyluvgood (28) from Portland, ME 2 years ago

You're quite welcome.

[-] 2 points by szoth (5) 2 years ago

Everyone is exited that the president who broke all his other promises actually came through on the healthcare issue. I think a much more likely explanation is that while it looks nice, this move benefits the powerful.

[-] 3 points by lunyluvgood (28) from Portland, ME 2 years ago

Agreed. And he didnt actually come through on the healthcare issue - he made it worse.

[-] 0 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

the govt will now be able to tax you on what you dont buy. the goal of obama care is to put private insurance companies out of the business and control your life .

[-] 1 points by harpon (3) 2 years ago

I agree. the problem then is the Dems still more represent the people, and it really only goes to show the corporate intrusion into our government. But disappointed by the Clintons back in the '90's for presenting this healthcare thing- then when it foirst lost, they rolled over and played dead, while rightist reaction of course swelled like a big belly stuffing itself with hot dogs and beer at a ballpark. This plan to force us to buy insurance arrived then after much intentional obfuscated confusing debate- to discourage participation and fuel the right's mantras about "goverrnment intrusion" as they continue to take our self-government away. It is, like the big GM bailout, that allows that company to keep making pricey gas guzzlers for fewer people, corporate welfare. Still the right's genocidal racist policies and gay hatred is gonna be worse, and their welfare even more. But the Dems need to get a clue, and stop being warring yuppies.

[-] 1 points by lunyluvgood (28) from Portland, ME 2 years ago

I appreciate your reply, but I don't think one should support either the "dems" or "repubs" -- it's really an illusion of choice.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-hegelian-dialectic-explained/

[-] -1 points by DKAtaday (-4) from Brooklyn Park, MN 2 years ago

Forum Post: Obamacare is Corporate Welfare For Private Insurance

Posted 3 days ago on June 30, 2012, 8:05 a.m. EST by lunyluvgood (8) from Portland, ME This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Please don't avoid watching this just because you don't want to bear the bad news. If you do, you're perpetuating the behavior further, into your demise.

Like and share. Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn09U7k_gzY

Absolutely!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26023) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hey - R U a Fan? Don't think so - get your own name.

I can appreciate your feelings about the PPACA as it is a waste In my opinion and was totally screwed-up by the republicans in office.

It can be repaired/fixed/replaced though with good legislation.

We need to go after good legislation like the Move to Amend state by state campaign to end corpoRAT personhood is doing. Move to Amend petition

Get involved people and then stay involved.

Get your own identity: [-] 0 points by DKAtaday (0) from Brooklyn Park, MN 16 minutes ago


[-] 0 points by DKAtaday (0) from Brooklyn Park, MN 16 minutes ago

Forum Post: Obamacare is Corporate Welfare For Private Insurance

Posted 3 days ago on June 30, 2012, 8:05 a.m. EST by lunyluvgood (8) from Portland, ME This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Please don't avoid watching this just because you don't want to bear the bad news. If you do, you're perpetuating the behavior further, into your demise.

Like and share. Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn09U7k_gzY

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[-] -1 points by DKAtaday (-4) from Brooklyn Park, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by DKAtaday (0) from Brooklyn Park, MN 32 minutes ago

Forum Post: Obamacare is Corporate Welfare For Private Insurance

Posted 3 days ago on June 30, 2012, 8:05 a.m. EST by lunyluvgood (8) from Portland, ME This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Please don't avoid watching this just because you don't want to bear the bad news. If you do, you're perpetuating the behavior further, into your demise.

Like and share. Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn09U7k_gzY

Absolutely! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink [-] 1 points by DKAtoday (9870) from Coon Rapids, MN 0 minutes ago

Hey - R U a Fan? Don't think so - get your own name.

I can appreciate your feelings about the PPACA as it is a waste In my opinion and was totally screwed-up by the republicans in office.

It can be repaired/fixed/replaced though with good legislation.

We need to go after good legislation like the Move to Amend state by state campaign to end corpoRAT personhood is doing. Move to Amend petition

Get involved people and then stay involved.

Get your own identity: [-] 0 points by DKAtaday (0) from Brooklyn Park, MN 16 minutes ago

[-] 0 points by DKAtaday (0) from Brooklyn Park, MN 16 minutes ago

Forum Post: Obamacare is Corporate Welfare For Private Insurance

Posted 3 days ago on June 30, 2012, 8:05 a.m. EST by lunyluvgood (8) from Portland, ME This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Please don't avoid watching this just because you don't want to bear the bad news. If you do, you're perpetuating the behavior further, into your demise.

Like and share. Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn09U7k_gzY

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26023) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Get your own identity: [-] 1 points by DKAtaday (0) from Brooklyn Park, MN 4 minutes ago

[-] -1 points by MoshehThezion (98) 2 years ago

Corporate welfare... which will PROVIDE FREE HEALTHCARE FOR ALL THE POOR.... is not so bad..... is it?

face facts... Obama care.. will cause the rich to end up paying for the free healthcare of the poor.

That... is the part the Republicans refuse to discuss... as they know if they talk about it... they will lose because of it.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

tax paid health care to all removes the "for profit" component; saving 30%+

SparkyJP (1132) from Westminster, MD 16 minutes ago

Well said Matt !!

If you give health care to all; paid for through taxes; and remove the "for profit" component; you would save 30%+ right out of the gate. Some of the things you do need to spend money on to supply health care to someone is doctors, nurses, hospitals, drugs, medical equipment, clinics, etc. The one thing you don't need is insurance companies. They offer no service except to jack-up the costs and provide a return for their investors at patients expense. Through sheer volume, we could self insure ourselves at a much cheaper price and more efficiently.

Think about it. The only way an insurance company can make money is to collectively overcharge their customers the percentage of profit margin, over and above their expenses. The expenses include the paying of claims, but also include, executive pay and bonuses, employee pay, benefits, taxes (maybe not), Marketing and Administrative Expenses ( you even have to pay for their TV ads), utility costs, maintenance costs, and much, much, more; that are passed directly to the patient on top of already high actual health care costs.

A 2004 economic study published in The New England Journal of Medicine determined that a national single-payer healthcare system would reduce costs by more than $400 billion a year "despite the expansion of comprehensive care to all Americans." I'm sure that figure has increased since then.

I think the cartoon at the bottom of this page says it all -

http://www.healthcare-now.org/whats-single-payer/

What has become the law of the land, is a new tax for the middle class. They now have us by the short hairs. If you think us being #1 in health care costs and #37 in service is bad now ...................................... you ain't seen nothin' yet !!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/righties-put-obamas-aca-in-your-filthy-mouths-and-/#comment-773055

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

And I have a beef with the drug companies too. What was the last disease that medicine has 'cured'? Polio was the last one I could think of and that was a long time ago. Sure, if you need a woody or have heartburn, they can fix you up; but what have they done for us lately? I contend that they have an incentive to keep things just as they are.

If you were a technician at a pharmaceutical company, and walked into the board of directors meeting with a pill that would with one dose, cure all cancers; what do you imagine they would do with that drug? Do you think they would develop it and shoot themselves in the foot, by losing all of the revenue produced with chemotherapy drugs ( my niece was paying $6500 per treatment! )? Of course not. By law, a corporation's main objective is to return shareholder value. They have all the incentive to help you with your symptoms, because that makes you a repeatable customer, but no incentive at all to produce cures because of profit.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

we pay whatever price to save our own lives

regardless of actual cost to provide the service

[-] -1 points by DKAtaday (-4) from Brooklyn Park, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (9451) 30 minutes ago

we pay whatever price to save our own lives

regardless of actual cost to provide the service ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink and a stitch in time saves nine

[-] 0 points by MoshehThezion (98) 2 years ago

And.... DO YOU... put corporate profits over the welfare of the poor masses???????

eh??? Which is it??? Do you favor investors???? or the people???

This is a simple question.... remember which website you are on.

The 99%... are the poor.... fighting investors and their lust for profits...

a duh.