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Forum Post: Obama has THROWN Down the Gauntlet: Occupy Must Stand and Fight NOW!

Posted 10 years ago on Dec. 15, 2011, 1:12 p.m. EST by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA
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Glenn Greenwald: Obama Had Indefinite Detention Inserted Into Defense Authorization Act

I IMPLORE every single Occupier in the this nation to watch and share this video. The legislation that this fascist government and administration is worthy of Nazi Germany. And, that is NOT an exaggeration. It is a fact. I can not do justice to the implications of this bill, please watch the video.

Again and again and again, Obama has betrayed the American citizenry and governed for expansion of corporate & military power and profit. And, again and again and again, many of his supporters have rationalized/justified/or even championed policy and appointments from the Obama administration that would have drawn near universal protest and outrage if implemented by Republicans or the Bush administration.

This must end. It is time for Occupy to not only challenge the corporate power structure, but unflinchingly challenge ANY politician or political party that governs against the people for the expansion of corporate/military profit.

I do not know how a single American, democrat/republican/independent/green or otherwise can support ANY politician that would codify indefinite detention without charges or trial against American citizens. It is insanity. Yet, if we march forward and move along with the circus act that is the two party stage corporate election circus of 2012, we are all enablers of the destruction of our constitution and unraveling the last tattered remnants of our democracy.

There is no lesser of two evils. There is now only evil. And, it is up to us to stand with courage to create a different alternative and dialogue to solve this crisis.

Obama can't be the Occupy movement's nominee. Neither can any of the Republicans. They do not and WILL NOT represent us. This bill proves that fact beyond a shadow of any doubt.

We must move forward with courage.

ABSOLUTE MUST READ: http://www.salon.com/2011/12/16/three_myths_about_the_detention_bill/singleton/

Further reading:

The DOJ’s escalating criminalization of speech (MUST READ)


What is (was) Habeas Corpus?


Obama on Habeas Corpus? (2008, before his DOJ destroyed it)


Obama wins the right to detain people with no habeas review


The due-process-free assassination of U.S. citizens is now reality


Obama criticised for continuing civil rights 'violations' introduced by Bush




ACLU on Obama Civil Rights (MUST READ)


ACLU Report: Obama Enshrining Bush-Era Torture


Michael Moore: Obama is Trying to Destroy Occupy Movement


Obama Proposes New Law: 'Prevention Detention'"Lock 'Em Up & Toss The Key, w/o Trial" - Part 1 of 2: VIDEO


Obama Proposes New Law: 'Prevention Detention' = "Lock 'Em Up & Toss The Key, w/o Trial" - Part 2 of 2: VIDEO


Where's the Outrage? US Military Can Now Arrest You and Hold You Indefinitely Without Trial Senate Says


20 Ways The Obama Administration Has Intruded on Your Rights




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[-] 6 points by Windsofchange (1044) 10 years ago

I am going to be bold and tell it like it is. They are afraid of a peasant revolt--this is why those sections of the bill were put into the S. 1867 NDAA bill.

Watch pretty soon there will be another bill to come along that says that protestors (by protesting) are engaging in terrorist activities. It like we are entering the McCarthy era again only this time the code word is "terrorist", not "red" or "commie". It is so sad how history repeats itself; why have we not learned from it? Well, that's my rant for today.

[-] 3 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 10 years ago

You are right.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 10 years ago

It truly is a sad day for all Americans when bills like this one is passed that violates our Bills of Rights.

I just hope people get out there and protest this. Glad to see OWS was doing that today, but there needs to be many more protests over this and over the Patriot Act that violates our first and fourth Amendment rights. We can't just sit there and allow the flood gates to open for more Fascist legislation. We must ACT.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 10 years ago

Next comes a large move to fully meld the military with all police forces down to the most local levels and a much larger presence of battle capable military transport and hardware becoming part of everyday life.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 10 years ago

Yes, it is happening. Please check this out. http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12/05/120511-news-militarized-police-1-6/

God help us!

[-] 5 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 10 years ago

We can't protest corporate corruption and destruction of the Bill of Rights, and then ignore or (worse) vote for the people implementing their policy. The game has to end. Let it end now. Courage!

[-] 3 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 10 years ago

Have any of the Occupy groups done anything to protest this? I only hear about fighting park evictions, shutting down ports and picketing Wal-mart. WTF!?!

[-] 2 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 10 years ago

Our Occupy group is participating in the Bradley Manning protest and we are going to do an education campaign on this as well. The front page of the website does have a post about this (second one down). This really needs a national emergency call out. Again, I think Occupy (and many other organizations) get hamstrung with their inability to challenge democrats and Obama. The fear of Republicans became so ingrained that we really did march in lockstep with the dems...no matter how much they moved to the right. They knew we wouldn't move Republican and they also knew that anyone who challenged them from a third party was chastised as a traitor and blamed for their losses. We have been deadlocked. Now, we have a administration that has moved to the RIGHT of Bush on civil liberty violations, a President who requested language in legislation that will allow the indefinite detention of American citizens without charges. They only silver lining I see in this atrocity is an opportunity to finally expose Obama and the dem leadership as equally as dangerous as the Republicans. In this realization, we can seek a solution and challenge the two party deadlock. It won't come easy but this piece of legislation is so vile and so without any redeeming virtue (only pure evil), it will give many people pause. Sad that it takes this much, and I am sure for many it will take a lot more. But, it is enough to challenge the conventional 'wisdom'.

And, every Occupy must take the initiative to act.

[-] 3 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 10 years ago

"The only silver lining I see in this atrocity is an opportunity to finally expose Obama and the dem leadership as equally as dangerous as the Republicans."

I hope this will help break through the denial. Some will still find a way to blame the Republicans.

[-] 0 points by BLUTODOG (111) 10 years ago

"Some will still find a way to blame the Republicans." No, your wrong. The two wings of the Money Party agree on many of these laws and acts, we've known this for quite awhile. What's your pt.?

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 10 years ago

You don't think some people will continue to blame the Republicans for laws which are completely bi-partisan? I have seen many Obama supporters continue to make excuses for him and a prime one is that his hands were tied because of the Republicans. I don't believe that. The facts don't support that. I agree with you about the two wings of the money party. Many of us realized that quite a while ago but some still cling to the delusion that Dems= good, Reps = bad.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 10 years ago

They will, and the same can be said for the R side too. Thats the divide and conquer technique they have perfected.

Fascist policies, all under the banner of freedom and democracy!

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 10 years ago

I know plenty that will and continue to do so. There are many vile zenpups all over the united states.

[-] 0 points by BLUTODOG (111) 10 years ago

Well, I don't bother much with the good or bad labels. It's all about whether either work in our interest, even minimally. The D's seem a bit more inclined to throw us a bone occasionally the Retardicans not at all.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 10 years ago

Believe me, if he's losing my vote, he's gonna lose the election over this.

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 10 years ago

That is the funniest thing I've read in a long time! IF he is losing your vote!

People devoid of such presence of mind and cognitive reasoning ability, having a right to vote, is a huge part of our nation's problems.

[-] 1 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 10 years ago

I think the point is that many people who have supported Obama and now are breaking with him after two years of loyalty and belief in his Presidency are abandoning him. So, no, not Bluerose's one vote, but the millions he has disenfranchised. And, if I hear ONE person blame people who refused to support either fascist party as the reason that the other fascist party won, I will scream as the fault lies with those who enact the traitorous governance and those who fail to challenge their corrupt power who bear the true blame.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 10 years ago

Well, I can say I voted for neither. I knew better and haven't been fooled in many years.

Thanks for edifying that for me.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 10 years ago

Every GA, starting December 17th in NYC, has to publicly endorse the 99% Declaration. There has to be Unity.


[-] 1 points by BLUTODOG (111) 10 years ago

What do you expect from a movement with no leaders and no focus?

[-] 2 points by BlueRose (1437) 10 years ago

Police, Military, true patriots, DO NOT abuse your own citizens!

[-] 2 points by BLUTODOG (111) 10 years ago

If you think the police and the military give a shit about any of us, your living in fantasy land. If tomorrow Homeland security sent them lists of citizens to pick up and detain, they'd do it without even questioning the order.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 10 years ago

I know.

[-] 2 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 10 years ago

Update: the Carl Levin video footage of the Senator stating the Obama administration requested the removal of language from the American Detention Act which says that this would not apply to US citizens and lawful residents. Videos are being removed from youtube and other sites. The Cenk video retains the clip at 2:54. Occupy, where are you? No discussion on the ability of our government to detain us forever with no charges? Are the implications to Occupy protesters unclear to you?

[-] 1 points by Idaltu (662) 10 years ago

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" (Edmond Burke)

[-] 1 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 10 years ago

ABSOLUTE MUST READ: Salon's Glenn Greenwald clearly outlines the repugnant language of this bill. http://www.salon.com/2011/12/16/three_myths_about_the_detention_bill/singleton/

[-] 1 points by barb (835) 10 years ago

Unfortunately people are not concerned with this bill since it states that it excludes American citizens. What they do not realize is that this bill will allow it to be added later by congress to include "us"

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 10 years ago

Check out emptywheel, signed earlier this year and pretty much trumps SB1867

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 10 years ago

Everyone would be outraged IF they knew what was going on, but they don't because they watch the corporate media.

I keep expressing the need to surround the TV stations like they did in Egypt, demand they tell the truth and don't let them leave until they do.

These stations use our public airwaves to lie and distract every day.

Everyone here tells me, turn off your TV. Well I did that 10 years ago and things are getting worse.

Millions of Americans are still listening to the liars on the corporate media, which makes it extremely difficult to have a rational logical conversation about what is going on in this country.

It is imperative to take back our media ASAP. Every 8 years they must prove they serve the public interest or lose their license. We can't wait that long, but we can threaten them with our signs outside their studios. WE have to make them fear being a fascist tool, and quit their jobs. It worked in Egypt....

"These people are presenting an alternative reality; even as the country is swept by revolution, they remain inside telling lies," said Samir Abbas, a 37-year-old former tour guide who had joined the crowds outside the Maspero building.

"Just as the presidential palace is a symbol of regime power, so is Maspero. We will stay peaceful, but we won't let their deception continue."

Amin tendered her resignation, the first of many inside the state media apparatus who would follow suit as the protests continued. "I realised then that I had to choose which side I was on. And I realised I couldn't be the mouthpiece of a regime that massacres its own people; that was a line I couldn't cross."

Occupy the TV stations with a sign about this anti American legislation- This is outrageous and we must act now!

[-] 1 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 10 years ago

I have been contacting the administrators of all the Occupy websites and facebook groups in an effort to get a unified emergency protest against this legislation.

So, let's discuss. I like your idea about showing up at media outlets. Perhaps, a video campaign to tell Obama we walk if this isn't vetoed, as the lesser of two evils has now become the same thing. Chime in, we are in eleventh hour. We have a meeting tonight at our local group and I will discuss ideas with them. Meantime, call the Whitehouse and let them know that Obama loses your vote on this legislation.

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 10 years ago

How about protesting in front of your local re-elect Obama headquarters?

[-] 1 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 10 years ago

They really aren't very formed around here. I will contact PDA and see if they will do anything. Due to the VERY limited time, we really need the main sites to direct a day of protest (like TOMORROW) and send out the call to all the Occupy groups. I have been posting and networking and calling, but I can't reach enough people in this short of time. I might persuade my local occupiers to collaborate on a video plea to the movement.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 10 years ago

Thank you, this has been my contribution:


"Despite the fact that the leadership from all the major intelligence agencies (the Secretary of Defense, the Director of the FBI, the Director of National Intelligence, the White House Advisor for Counterterrorism, and the DOJ National Security Division head) have spoken out in opposition to the bill and its indefinite detention authority..." http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/NDAA

MTV warns Martial Law in America



Add it all up, look around, peeps. We are brewing a disaster. Add hate, push for efficiency, extermination of the weak, roundups, and Fema Camp Prison Camp Concentration Camp all blur into one.

[-] 1 points by Keepitsimple (110) 10 years ago

“The world you desire can be won, it exits, it is real, it is possible, It is yours.”

--Ayn Rand

[-] 0 points by BLUTODOG (111) 10 years ago

But it won't end. I hate to tell u this, but all that will happen next yr. is we'll get NEWT and the super hard right. Obama SUCKS I agree, he's a Corporatist prick through and through, but he's not a NAZI like Newt and the rest of the vicious toxic klown kar called the Retardican wing of the MONEY party. We're going to get one wing or another pick your poison. Unless, you'd prefer Revolution or Rebellion and blood in the streets and then we get some Right wing General instead or a thought reform camp in Utah or Nevada. What about indefinite detention don't u get?

[-] 4 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 10 years ago


He's not a Nazi like Newt?

Who exactly will be hammering the nail in the coffin of democracy by signing a bill to disappear Americans at whim for their war on an emotion? (TERROR)

Hint: It isn't Newt.

And, the answer is NOT to support Newt or Obama. Seems like the lesser of two evils is now the same evil and that is the fight we face. There is no refuge with the dems. They are all one.

[-] 1 points by BLUTODOG (111) 10 years ago

I 'm sorry, but I don't agree. As bad as the D's are they aren't quite as retarded as the Gopers. I'm not happy with them, but given the choice and no other I don't want Newt or the rest in the WH again.

[-] 1 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 10 years ago

You are a truly twisted person.

[-] 0 points by BLUTODOG (111) 10 years ago

Why is that? Because I don't agree with u? Grow the fuck up.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 10 years ago

You have no idea what the he'll is going on. The democrats are just as corrupt as the republicans . One is not better than the other. But that's ok. You know you want to vote for that filth Obama and everything he stands for.

[-] 2 points by BLUTODOG (111) 10 years ago

"One is not better than the other. But that's ok. You know you want to vote for that filth Obama and everything he stands for." Vote for Newt then and enjoy 8 more yrs. of the Retardican version of Corporatism. Or don't vote for either and once again probably enjoy 8 more yrs. of Newt and Co.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 10 years ago

Or vote for Obama and enjoy 4 more years of Coporatism. Your point?

[-] 1 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 10 years ago

It is time to break out of the two party box. Policies and human rights abuse that are decried under Bush are normalized under Bush. The links above demonstrate Obama's consistent expansion and surpass of Bush policies, yet people fear Republicans because they fear we will go back to Bush? Now, Americans are forced to rationalize supporting a President who deliberately ensured that American citizens can be detained indefinitely by the military with no charges or trial. Is there no line in the sand for the American people? Are we so cowed, so brainwashed, so lacking in vision and creativity that we believe this is our only choice. Occupy needs to lead on this - mass demonstrations and revolt against ALL politicians and parties that betray the people. They continue to expand their power and break us with their propaganda games and pretend 'two party' system and we just play along. Obama is better. He is surpassing Bush in destruction of environmental deregulation, civil liberty infringement, and threw women under the bus with his expansion of the Hyde amendment and inhibiting women from buying private health insurance that provides abortion coverage if they get so much as a penny of government assistance to buy their own private policy. But, FEAR the Republicans. This is beyond ABSURD and Occupy needs to act with integrity to challenge all abusive power. NOW.


[-] 1 points by BLUTODOG (111) 10 years ago

There are two brands of Corporatism. The D brand of "soft" Corporatism and the R brand "hardcore" AKA the religious right wingnut vers. of Corporatism.Either way the Corps. run the show but we get to pick the atmospherics is all. I don't really like either , but since third parties aren't viable...