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Forum Post: The days of slave labor enforced by police and military are not far away.

Posted 7 years ago on Dec. 8, 2011, 8:50 p.m. EST by BlueRose (1437)
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People will try to get out of the rat race, and they will be jailed and forced to labor. We should all be concerned about the treatment of our prison population, a lot of us will be joining them soon if we rebel against corporatocracy. You know, they will FIND a reason to jail you and force you to make profit for the 1%. National interest or some such bs.

OK, I have to edit this 5 days later because people are confusing me with Alex Jones wackos. Here are some links I posted over the past few days, so you can get where I am coming from:

We need to be aware of hate and encourage tolerance.

LOTS of people are noticing disturbing economic and political trends, here's what Paul Krugman said: "Nobody familiar with Europe’s history can look at this resurgence of hostility without feeling a shiver. Yet there may be worse things happening.

Right-wing populists are on the rise from Austria, where the Freedom Party (whose leader used to have neo-Nazi connections) runs neck-and-neck in the polls with established parties, to Finland, where the anti-immigrant True Finns party had a strong electoral showing last April. And these are rich countries whose economies have held up fairly well. Matters look even more ominous in the poorer nations of Central and Eastern Europe." http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/12/opinion/krugman-depression-and-democracy.html

"The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners' work lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The system feeds itself," says a study by the Progressive Labor Party, which accuses the prison industry of being "an imitation of Nazi Germany with respect to forced slave labor and concentration camps."

The prison industry complex is one of the fastest-growing industries in the United States and its investors are on Wall Street. "This multimillion-dollar industry has its own trade exhibitions, conventions, websites, and mail-order/Internet catalogs. It also has direct advertising campaigns, architecture companies, construction companies, investment houses on Wall Street, plumbing supply companies, food supply companies, armed security, and padded cells in a large variety of colors."

According to the Left Business Observer, the federal prison industry produces 100% of all military helmets, ammunition belts, bullet-proof vests, ID tags, shirts, pants, tents, bags, and canteens. Along with war supplies, prison workers supply 98% of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93% of paints and paintbrushes; 92% of stove assembly; 46% of body armor; 36% of home appliances; 30% of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21% of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies, and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/debtors-prison-legal-in-more-than-one-third-of-us-states_n_1107524.html

"Borrowers who can't or don't pay their debts can be sent to jail in more than one-third of states, the Wall Street Journal reports. Judges may issue a warrant when a borrower either misses court ordered payments or doesn't show up in court after being sued for payments on outstanding debt. Though there are no national statistics on the practice of jailing debtors, a WSJ analysis found that judges have issued more than 5,000 debt-related warrants since the beginning of 2010."

This is the one topic where people think I am my own imposter. The police have become an extension of the CORPORATIONS, almost separate from government. I am consistent here, actually.

Oh, and now we have NDAA to deal with. "Despite the fact that the leadership from all the major intelligence agencies (the Secretary of Defense, the Director of the FBI, the Director of National Intelligence, the White House Advisor for Counterterrorism, and the DOJ National Security Division head) have spoken out in opposition to the bill and its indefinite detention authority..." http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/NDAA

MTV warns Martial Law in America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk5gnCPsDjo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvFya8077o

Japanese American Internment Camps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

So you think our own troops and police won't harm their fellow citizens? Well, it will probably be paid mercenaries doing the dirty work.

"Blackwater and Foreign Mercenaries Used On American Soil" http://wn.com/blackwater_and_foreign_mercenaries_used_on_american_soil

Add it all up, look around, peeps. We are brewing a holocaust.

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[-] 3 points by jjuussttmmee (607) 7 years ago

the question becomes are the police willing to be the ones to make our slavery happen, draw our blood and put us into FEMA campos or will they resist the mammon controlled ones, remain true to their vow to protect THE PEOPLE (not corps, or gov.), and need to have the army conquer us peaceful people for mammon. Will the army and navy Air force and marines be willing to enslave the citizens of the US? And kill us in great numbers? We already owe $110,000.00 each in national debt. If we stop paying it what will happen? will they come to claim the land as theirs because they now hold title to all of our land thru bank foreclosures? Will they throw us off of our lands and say we own it now? We will all become refugees and be moved to FEMA work camps.The US has been in bankruptcy since 1933. when will they "call the note" and dissolve this once great country. and what will happen to the people who think they hold clear title to the land they bought and paid for? When it is shown that thru national debt everyone has lost their claim to their paid off land. If our gov does not own the land they can not help.

[-] 2 points by barb (835) 7 years ago

When I was in the 20's the cops held the attitude of protecting the people but now that I am in my late 40's, the cops hold the attitude of protecting themselves and it is no longer for the people.

[-] 1 points by jjuussttmmee (607) 7 years ago

everyone's loss

[-] 2 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

I'm afraid a lot of us will be forced to extract gold and oil off of rich men's lands for slave wages, or as punishment.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

Or make military equipment. Why wreck one country when you can wreck them all?

[-] 1 points by jjuussttmmee (607) 7 years ago

the future is always bleak for "sheep" when it is time for market. They will come for one group at a time. Christians will be among the first group to be gathered up, for death, what a privilege that represents, we are the most important threat to world domination by mammon. Other groups will follow one by one. Until it is your turn. A world population of 500,000,000 million will be achieved. Those that buy into you can be saved by going along, will deserve what they get.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

Well I know the gold hoarders will have their houses burned down first, that's for sure.

[-] 1 points by jjuussttmmee (607) 7 years ago

they are ready for massive public unrest, my question,.will the police fall on the side of "we the people" or the side of mammon? we will see. Perhaps the military with its better mind control will be required to serve mammon to physically enslave us. I do not wish to hurt anyone, I do not wish to enslave anyone, I do not wish to overthrow my government, I want to make some positive changes for the good of all our citizens to our existing gov. We are supposed to be able to do that legally.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

The gold bugs will be the first to war with each other, believe me. They will say it's biblical or some such nonsense.

[-] 2 points by jjuussttmmee (607) 7 years ago

mammon will continue to use others to fight its wars, like they have been doing. They will hide until the end of population reduction. Then they hope to lead and be served like gods while leeching off of the workers. Man trying to become a God. Wow so wrong. Jesus please hurry

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 7 years ago

Nah, they'll probably just do what the English always did: sell you to the Muslims and let them turn you into a Eunuch so you don't infect the harem.

[-] 2 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

I came across this today. I still very vigilant about his awful bill. http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=23d194d7-78c9-4c57-b2d9-31bc3bb7daeb

[-] 2 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 7 years ago

And this is different from the Marxism so many want?

[-] 1 points by imhotep3223 (81) 7 years ago

Read 1984!!! The only ones wanting Marxism or what you meant to say is Communism, is the Republican party. A America run by the wealthy and silenced by the same wealth people that rule. Sounds like republicans.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 7 years ago

You are too stupid to bother with.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

So you think our own troops and police won't harm their fellow citizens? Well, it will probably be paid mercenaries doing the dirty work.

"Blackwater and Foreign Mercenaries Used On American Soil" http://wn.com/blackwater_and_foreign_mercenaries_used_on_american_soil

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[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

Well, they are here. NDAA passed, we are officially f'd, final nail in the coffin for USA. I'm out of here.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago
[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

MTV warns Martial Law in America 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk5gnCPsDjo

Add it all up, look around, peeps. We are brewing a disaster.

[-] 1 points by stuartchase (861) 7 years ago

The Revolution has a new theme song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L-GOHa5-YQ

http://occupywallst.org/forum/in-the-name-of-allah/

The Revolution starts here!

[-] 1 points by stuartchase (861) 7 years ago

Yes, and these are the animals you'll be slaving for!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/in-the-name-of-allah/

The Revolution starts here!

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 7 years ago

I posted that before but I can't find it.the late 19th century or the early 20th century looks like we have more work to do.

[-] 1 points by imhotep3223 (81) 7 years ago

Read 1984

[-] 1 points by Evolution001 (100) from Vancouver, BC 7 years ago

Capitalism is a growing and increasingly harsher and more deadly prison for the >99%, with the choices of an slave existence increasingly limited to death. Whether you find yourself at the top tiers with devaluation of fiat money and increasing "national" or rather "global" debt as your shackles or you find yourself at the bottom in Death Row. Capital demands blood sacrifice. The beast must be fed by your life energy and even flesh and blood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/11/20111127105458655442.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289 (posted earlier by Blue Rose)

[-] 1 points by GOP99PERCENY (6) 7 years ago

I thought yall were all for bigger government and wanted to be slaves?

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

This is the one topic where people think I am my own imposter. The police have become an extension of the CORPORATIONS, almost separate from government. I am consistent here, actually.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

"The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners' work lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The system feeds itself," says a study by the Progressive Labor Party, which accuses the prison industry of being "an imitation of Nazi Germany with respect to forced slave labor and concentration camps."

The prison industry complex is one of the fastest-growing industries in the United States and its investors are on Wall Street. "This multimillion-dollar industry has its own trade exhibitions, conventions, websites, and mail-order/Internet catalogs. It also has direct advertising campaigns, architecture companies, construction companies, investment houses on Wall Street, plumbing supply companies, food supply companies, armed security, and padded cells in a large variety of colors."

According to the Left Business Observer, the federal prison industry produces 100% of all military helmets, ammunition belts, bullet-proof vests, ID tags, shirts, pants, tents, bags, and canteens. Along with war supplies, prison workers supply 98% of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93% of paints and paintbrushes; 92% of stove assembly; 46% of body armor; 36% of home appliances; 30% of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21% of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies, and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289

[-] 0 points by HarryPairatestes2 (380) from Barrow, AK 7 years ago

If that is true why do you believe California is releasing its state prisoners before their noted release dates?

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

I don't know. Doesn't mean prisoners aren't making profit for someone.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Aren't you advoating national interest?

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

? What? I don't check all my opinions against a "national interest" list. Some of what I say may not fit into any particular box.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Don't the ideas of OWS fall in the national interest box?

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

I think so ? , but vs what? I think "national interest" at this point is corporate interest, not good. Please tell me what you are on to exactly?

[-] 0 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

" You know, they will FIND a reason to jail you and force you to make profit for the 1%. National interest or some such bs."

Just pointing out that what OWS is doing is using the National interest card at the moment.

[-] 0 points by tedscrat (-96) 7 years ago

What, exactly, is the basis for this belief? Pretend I came from under a rock and please explain.

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[-] -1 points by tedscrat (-96) 7 years ago

What is your solution to this so-called problem? I am extremely perplexed by your line of thinking. Not to bait you, but what you describe sounds like an inherent problem within the institutional framework. So would Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph be idols to you? I have read The Turner Diaries. I own a copy in my library. Sounds like you could draws plans straight from that book and what? Bomb wall street? Storm Pelican Bay?
Or do you actually have a peaceful solution to this problem? Make a comprehensive list of wants. I did - 1. flat tax 2. throw out the tax code 3. pass civics test before earning the privilege to vote 3 10% reduction in government in 5 years.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

We need to be aware of hate and encourage tolerance.

LOTS of people are noticing disturbing economic and political trends, here's what Paul Krugman said: "Nobody familiar with Europe’s history can look at this resurgence of hostility without feeling a shiver. Yet there may be worse things happening.

Right-wing populists are on the rise from Austria, where the Freedom Party (whose leader used to have neo-Nazi connections) runs neck-and-neck in the polls with established parties, to Finland, where the anti-immigrant True Finns party had a strong electoral showing last April. And these are rich countries whose economies have held up fairly well. Matters look even more ominous in the poorer nations of Central and Eastern Europe." http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/12/opinion/krugman-depression-and-democracy.html

[-] -1 points by utahdebater (-72) 7 years ago

Right, because everyone in the 1% is inherently evil and want to achieve world domination, tell that to Bill Gates. Plus this would never work cuz the top 1% is constantly changing.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 7 years ago

Wrong example. Don't let the smile or geek persona fool you. Gates is decidedly evil. A megalomaniac that at one time envisioned controlling a huge portion of the world through the PC, specifically the software that runs it. The Federal government had to reign him in numerous times over the years. He's also a depopulationist. I've paid close attention to his rise since the early nineties and know what I'm talking about. Most people think he's a good person simply because he gives away billions. That's for TAX purposes, not because he's a 'good guy.' And don't even get me started about his vaccination program, there's more to that than meets the eye. Trust me, the last thing Gates and his ilk want are millions more poverty level mouths to feed (Africa). You should have said Warren Buffett, he does seem like a nice guy. I can find no fault with him so far.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

I remember you. You are the one apparently suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome", as you say you feel sorry for the 1% as they are getting picked on!

[-] 1 points by utahdebater (-72) 7 years ago

I don't necessarily feel sorry for them. They're just not as evil as everyone seems to think. Without them who would have the money to throw into charitable programs?

[-] 2 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

http://digitaljournal.com/article/273664 The poor give more percentage-wise. Should be the other way around.

[-] 0 points by utahdebater (-72) 7 years ago

I agree with that.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2011 (304) 7 years ago

Watch out for 'bluerose' she is even worse than a troll

This person places left leaning posts, and then draws in lefty's and then attacks them with Limbaugh propaganda.

You have been warned.

This prison camp thing is 100% Alex Jones the nut case right-winger, hell yes there are FEMA camps. But unless your a threat to the system they'll not come and get you.

I find this game of draw in the lefty and then insult them to be very boring.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

Watch out for owsleader2011, he makes robotic-knee jerk posts against things he considers conspiratorially right-wing even when they can be considered left or nonwing. You are just as bad as what you claim to hate. You need to think for yourself, let others speak without you "saving the day" like some hero, you self-deputized moderator.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

Let me explain it for you so you can get it. It is LEFT WING to be against cops and jailing of debtors and forced labor. Can you get it now, if I explain it to you as "left wing"?

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 7 years ago

Where have you ever seen that debtors will be jailed?

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

Are you kidding me? Have we not learned from history? And in fact, people who don't pay bills and fines and loans ARE getting jailed.

[-] 0 points by Mooks (1985) 7 years ago

Please show me a link where someone, who did not commit a crime, is being jailed for not paying their bills or loans.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

UNBELIEVABLE. Here you go:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/debtors-prison-legal-in-more-than-one-third-of-us-states_n_1107524.html

"Borrowers who can't or don't pay their debts can be sent to jail in more than one-third of states, the Wall Street Journal reports. Judges may issue a warrant when a borrower either misses court ordered payments or doesn't show up in court after being sued for payments on outstanding debt. Though there are no national statistics on the practice of jailing debtors, a WSJ analysis found that judges have issued more than 5,000 debt-related warrants since the beginning of 2010."

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 7 years ago

He asked for a link where someone who did not commit a crime was jailed. All your response states is that it is an option in many states. Even the example in the story is about a man jailed for contempt of court, and he was out in several hours. Hardly to be considered 'debtors prison.' If it had happened somewhere in the US - don't you think it would have been mentioned in that article?

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

Yeah, that's part of the game. Give them a bunch of court dates for the same offense, so they end up eventually missing a date. Or, after the judgement, if they default a payment, they can go to jail.

Also, see this, I did post it above:

"According to the Left Business Observer, the federal prison industry produces 100% of all military helmets, ammunition belts, bullet-proof vests, ID tags, shirts, pants, tents, bags, and canteens. Along with war supplies, prison workers supply 98% of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93% of paints and paintbrushes; 92% of stove assembly; 46% of body armor; 36% of home appliances; 30% of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21% of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies, and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289

[-] 0 points by friendlyopposition (574) 7 years ago

http://www.marinij.com/sanrafael/ci_19540520 They are paid to work. Thus...not slave labor.

http://www.thepacker.com/fruit-vegetable-news/Prison-labor-of-limited-use-to-industry-135280393.html Some get out of prison and go to work for the company.

I don't know where LBO gets there information, but those numbers are ridiculous. I could find no references to the data you quoted anywhere.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

Don't let facts and topic stand in the way of your trolling...

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 7 years ago

Thanks - but just because I disagree with you or anyone else on this forum does not make me a troll.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 7 years ago

I wasn't aware it was legal and I don't agree with it in most circumstances. The WSJ article that link relates to seems to suggest this problem is getting better though, with numerous states fighting to change the laws right now. Republicans and Democrats alike. The title of this post and the commentary in your original post are pretty alarmist concerning the reality of the situation.

[-] 0 points by HarryPairatestes2 (380) from Barrow, AK 7 years ago

That's the basis for your whole post?

Here are the only two examples from the article:

" "And in Kansas City, one man ended up in jail after missing only a furniture payment, KCTV5 reports. James Davis purchased a mattress, bed and computer, but soon lost his job to the recession, making it difficult for him to payoff the purchases. He was repeatedly pulled into court so that collectors could find ways for him to make the payments, but after missing one hearing a warrant was issued for his arrest. Davis is suing in federal court for the way he was treated.

In June, a Colorado woman was jailed because she hadn't paid off the fines and restitution related to a car accident, The Huffington Post then reported."

The guy was not jailed for missing a payment. he did not show up to court for a judgment debtor hearing and a warrant was issued.

The lady was ordered to pay fines and restitution (had to be a criminal case since restitution is a criminal remedy). She failed to obey a court order. It is not a "debt". It happens to criminals all the time who fail to pay their fines as part of their probation. Some criminals choose to go to jail instead of having fines hanging over their heads as part of their probation.

Now, do you have an actual case where someone owes money to a creditor and the creditor does not have a judgment against the debtor and still the debtor goes to jail? I don't think so.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

The plan and effect are the same. You are arguing middle details.

[-] 0 points by HarryPairatestes2 (380) from Barrow, AK 7 years ago

What? What are middle details?

The article headline was misleading. The contents of the article did not support the headline. Huffington Post is one step above a gossip magazine.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

OMG. I drove to school. Are you gonna say no, you actually walked to the car from your house and from your car to school?

[-] 0 points by HarryPairatestes2 (380) from Barrow, AK 7 years ago

What are you posting? You aren't making any sense at all.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) 7 years ago

how many user names do you need? you could just spout your divisive bullshit under the same name.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

You are just as bad as owsleader2011! This is the FIRST day I see supposed left-wingers act as shamefully as the right-wing trolls on here! Foul-language, insults and all!

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) 7 years ago

bullshit. the 99% and OWS is not left or right. you are here to be divisive, nothing more. you have been here doing the same shit day in and day out. changing name tags fools only the fools.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

PROVE IT. You claimed I post under different names once, I let it slide. You do it again, I'm gonna call you out on it. PROVE IT, or shut up.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) 7 years ago

ooooh, or shut up. way to take charge. how about you just stop being divisive with that left/right bullshit and i'll shut up.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

You have contributed nothing useful to this thread, you just want to troll. I will keep that in mind should you ever respond to one of my posts in the future.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) 7 years ago

i don't care what you do, never did. your divisive nature says you were going to continue doing so at any rate. you don't fool anyone.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

In fact, I am MAKING A POINT AGAINST ALEX JONES by saying it is unfair that what comes out of a rich man's land is going to be the currency that defines how LABOR is paid, IE GOLD. Shoot yourself in the FOOT! MY GOD!

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

The prison camp thing I just said is the ONLY thing remotely Alex Jones I have ever said. Yet I see it happening with our own prison population, forced to toil. I said NOTHING about FEMA, Alex Jones, Ventura, whatever. Watch how you defeat yourself and this movement. YOu give no one room outside of the box of YOUR boundaries. EVERYTHING else I have said is extremely Left wing, GOT IT NOW?

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 7 years ago

Our prison population isn't forced to toil. Most of the work was taken away because it infringed on union labor. Besides, what little work that they do have is considered a reward because living in prison with nothing to do all day is more taxing on a person than working.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

There are people who, in principle, will not participate in enriching a company by their own slave prison labor. So they are not often let out of their cells.