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Forum Post: New - "The only solution is World Revolution" - Now

Posted 1 year ago on May 24, 2012, 3:21 p.m. EST by junglemonkeez (208)
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There are Two choices available -

  1. Work with those that would give any dollar amount to Keep the people in their pool of slave wage earners. Quit whinning and quit being lazy they say, as they themselves continue to whine about over taxation and too much governance. This is the same battle that has been waged for literally thousands of years. This is Moses against the Egyptians, Christians against the Romans, and Martin Luther King Jr. against Segregation and Injustice. This is the oppressed asking oppressors not to be oppresive.

  2. There is another choice, and its coming whether you want it to or not. I say this because I see the times have changed and are continuing to change for the better. Its scary because its different and doesn't rely on old conventions like bullying or greed. The reality is social media is here, it is the tech advance that makes this movement unique in history. No more will injustice go unnoticed, the pictures of these injustices will be seen in real time by real people who will no longer stand for these types of immorality.

A man must have his Liberty, and so long as he does not hinder anothers Liberty, he must be allowed freedom. Courts are designed to bring a fair resolution to situations where peoples Liberties are in direct conflict.

"The only solution is World Revolution." This isn't a threat and doesn't mean Anarchy, though they would have us believe this. We have wonderful people doing good work making a system that would benefit all people equally. The "solution" is to give these people the oportunity to make it happen. The "World Revolution" is saying that "We the People" will no longer be ruled by the few. Do sheep really need a shepherd, especially if he is just a wolf in disguise.

So stand together, all that would desire Justice, and reject the few that would deprive you of it. And watch the world transform from gross misuse and mismanagement, to a world of inspiration and opportunity for anyone who has the hope of Paridise on Earth. The Promised Land awaits.

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[-] 2 points by Coyote1983 (61) 1 year ago

Well said. One thing, though: A true paradise on earth, a true utopia, will never happen. But we can sure as hell do better than the current system.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Yes. As long as we remain sheep, the wolves will devour us. Stand up on two legs and become human beings. It is the surest way to defeat the wolves.

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[-] 1 points by junglemonkeez (208) 1 year ago

Another candidate, huh? Haven't we tried that before? No, That isn't another choice, just more of the same!

[-] 1 points by MoshehThezion (98) 1 year ago

LETS FACE FACTS.... after the revolution.. you will need leaders to solve the major problems.... I am that leader... also, you will need a viable solution plan when its over... I offer that. I dare say.... my plan... is highly radical... but radical change is what we need... it is what I offer you. You need my help, because I am a thinker who cares. Read the plan before you reject someone. -Mosheh Thezion

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Tell us what you think in the morning.

[+] -4 points by chile73 (-88) 1 year ago

what would you replace the U.S. system with. it's the greatest country on earth, and no one has anything better.

[-] 3 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

The US has 97% of its workers making a below average income and 50% of its citizens living in poverty or close to it. We score lower in science education, have poorer health outcomes, imprison people more than any other country, I could go on. I'm not sure how stats like that qualify it as the greatest country on Earth.

We should replace capitalism with democracy which would give everyone equal political power, make everyone wealthy and give everyone genuine freedom. You can learn all the details in this post:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/1-replace-capitalism-with-democracy/

[-] 0 points by JPB950 (2254) 1 year ago

Unfortunately a majority of the population disagrees with your assessment and your solution. Call them fools or sheep, but you have to win them over before you can change anything, and that isn't happening yet.

[-] 2 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I wouldn't say they disagree with my solution since most people have no idea that this solution exists.

I would say most people would prefer a solution that enables them to make at least $115k working 20 hours. People generally want to make more money and work less.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 1 year ago

I would agree with the last sentence, all life wants as much as possible for the least amount of effort. Unfortunately most will never believe what you say is possible. You can throw numbers at them all day long but they'll walk away from you thinking it's a con game of some type.

[-] 2 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Unfortunately people are irrational, so it is an uphill battle even though I have all the evidence on my side. But that does not mean it is impossible. A random guy on the internet writing a comment on a forum will have almost no impact. If Obama became a socialist and delivered the same exact information as President, the world would change.

So there is a lot more to selling an idea than just the sales pitch.

I cannot convince everyone. But I can convince some. And the more popular the idea becomes, the better able I will be to convince others. If popular social thinkers advocate it, professors advocate it, think tanks advocate it, the media reports on it, etc. the idea will become even easier still to sell. Over time it grows and snowballs. That is how an idea can become a force within society.

But it will only have a shot if the idea is sound, and the idea is sound. So I have hope.

[-] -1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 1 year ago

It is a mission for you, isn't it? The only posts I ever see from you all point back to this myth of $115,000 a year and 20 hours of work. And on every thread you get blasted as a looney-tune.

I must say, I commend your dedication.

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

The $115k is not a myth. It is an indisputable mathematical fact. And I do not get blasted as a looney tune. The trolls who defend a system that keeps everyone poor are the ones who get blasted as looney tunes.

[-] 0 points by friendlyopposition (574) 1 year ago

I've destroyed your arguments too many times already. I'm not going to get into with you again. It is truly pointless. Good luck chasing your dreams.

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I couldn't find any comment from you on my post.

So are you the one who destroyed my arguments because they are based on government published economic data and all government data is a lie?

Or are you the one who destroyed it because how you are taught to compute average in grade school is not the real way to compute average and the grade-school way is misleading?

Or are you the one who thinks paying out $14.5 trillion in income in an economy that produces $14.5 trillion in goods and services can still create inflation?

Or are you the one who destroyed it because you think nobody is willing to build social networking sites or cell phones or play baseball for anything less than tens of millions or billions of dollars and if all you can make is a measly $460k nobody would be willing to work and nothing will get done?

Remind me of which delusion was yours.

[-] 0 points by friendlyopposition (574) 1 year ago

Yes. I can do math. I can divide the GDP by the population. The number is trivial. Your system is unworkable.

You post this same crap in every thread you comment on, and many times I take the time to rebuke you. I don't feel like repeating myself again. Feel free to refer to one of your older posts.

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure the fact that workers produce $65 per hour per worker, an amount greater than what 97% of what workers are actually getting paid, is not trivial to workers.

Well, feel free to refer to my response to your comments which demonstrates that whatever nonsense you make up to justify your claim that a system where a small group of people at the top take most of all the income and leave everyone else broke is the only workable system, is just that: nonsense.

[-] -1 points by chile73 (-88) 1 year ago

50% of its citizens living in poverty, you must be on drugs. and by the way w capitalism is a type of economy, democracy is a type of political system. Sounds like you want communism.

[-] 2 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Here is a link to a yahoo article which reports on the census press release explaining that 50% of Americans are living in poverty or close to it.

Democracy is a system of equal political power. But your political power depends on your income. And income is allocated based on the economic system. Capitalism maximizes income inequality. We have some people making 50,000 times more than others. So they have 50,000 times more political power. Therefore a capitalist society can never be democratic.

In order to have democracy, a society where power rests with everyone equally, income must rest with everyone equally. But income is also used as an incentive to get people to do difficult work and give their maximum effort.

So the only way to have a society that is democratic and the only way to also have an economy that works well, is to have a system where differences in income are limited by law to just what is necessary to get people to do difficult work and to get people to give their maximum effort.

This is all explained in detail in the post I linked to.

I do want communism. You also want communism. Everyone wants communism. Communism is a society where all jobs are automated so work is completely voluntary. And our productive capacity is so great, we no longer need to ration goods and services. So everything is free.

Unfortunately, we do not have the technology yet to achieve communism.

[-] -3 points by chile73 (-88) 1 year ago

you are a joke. Go see this link you say ! it must be true because it's on the internet. jeeze how dumb are you? Communism is the worse system of government in the world and its never been successful. Everywhere it exist people under it want to escape.

[-] 0 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3213) from New York, NY 1 year ago

So the government census which is responsible for reporting poverty is not a reliable source on poverty? lol

And communism existed somewhere in this world? What country achieved communism? What country made everything free and managed to automate all its jobs? Are you sure you are not mistaking a Star Trek episode for a news report?

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[-] 0 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 1 year ago

Haha, replacing capitalism with democracy sounds like communism? I want whatever you're on.

[-] 0 points by chile73 (-88) 1 year ago

hey idiot, the DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom person, just admitted that that is what he/she wants (see her/his comments above. When people ask for a democratic type of economic system that's code for socialism/communism.

[-] 3 points by junglemonkeez (208) 1 year ago

You tell me, what would you change? I know its complicated, but again there are a lot of good people working on this issue. Who doesn't want Paradise on earth. It can happen, i have seen some good plans for this. Think about what King Jr. was talking about when he said that He Has Seen "the promise land." This isn't just a religious notion, it is an understanding of the progress of man. I have seen it too. The movie Future by Design is a good plan. And more importantly it begs the question, what are we doing, if we don't have a plan. And ask yourself this... Where are we headed? What if the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and the world is continually neglected. And ask yourself this... What if America and the world had a plan, would the destination be the same? Is Capitalism really necessary, or does it only benefit a few? Is it really to hard to operate for the benefit of the whole rather than for the benefit of the few. And really its about optimism, we can get to the promise land if we believe we can.

[-] 1 points by MoshehThezion (98) 1 year ago

I would do this...... http://mosheh.org/A-New-Deal_2012.html it would restore constitutional law.

[-] -3 points by chile73 (-88) 1 year ago

i would change the size of the Executive branch of government, get rid of several departments and switch to more localized state level and city level political solutions.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

We can tinker with the size of fed govt but the real problem is the middle class got there ass kicked by the 1% for the last 30 years. Correct that problem. Corp money out of politics, stop unfair banking, fix loan shark level cr card interst, penalize outsourceing, reward onshoring,fix unfair taxes Support OWS Vote out pro norquist anti buffett rule politicians

[-] 3 points by junglemonkeez (208) 1 year ago

Don't forget VQkag, people have tried fixing the problem from within for much longer than 30 years. There is a fundimental crack in the system and that is, that the people don't have the power, at least not yet. These problems fix themselves when they do.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Yes we must regain power/influence by removing corp money from politics, maybe mandate voting for all, open primaries to chip away at the party monopoly. So much we must do.

[-] 1 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 1 year ago

I would like to see election day turned into a national holiday, and a nationwide nonpartisan voter registration effort. Too many elections are indicative of turnout from one party's supporters instead of being a barometer showing how EVERY American feels about the issues.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

I agree, simple registration/election holday, definately!. Mandatory voting for all1. Turn out will be massive. It is what the 1% fears 1st and most of all. All other pro 99% reforms will come from that one achievment.

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[-] 1 points by establishmentsucks (4) 1 year ago

You guys should read "Grand Illusion" by Theresa Amato, Nader's campaign manager. You will quickly see how corrupted these two parties are, and the shit they are willing to do to keep it a two party,divided country.

[-] -2 points by chile73 (-88) 1 year ago

i agree with some of your points, but the Buffett rule is rubbish same as credit card interest (don't get a damn card then). And Buffett won't do anything the 1% already pay most of the taxes.

[-] 3 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

What makes you believe the United States is the greatest country on earth?

If you define greatness by economic and military power, yes, the United States is the greatest, but if you define greatness by how a country distributes its national resources and wealth among the population, the United States ranks quite poorly.

Ask yourself why in one of the richest countries on earth higher education costs so much, while in many third-world countries it is provided without tuition charge. Ask yourself why in one of the most agriculturally abundant nations, people beg for food on the streets. Ask yourself why in a nation with so much land, everyday people are dispossessed from their homes. Ask yourself why in one most technically advanced countries people still don't receive easily accessible, low-cost health care.

If you can answer that none of the above actually occurs in the United State, then, yes, the United States is great.

[-] -3 points by chile73 (-88) 1 year ago

my question was what would you replace our system of government with?

of course we can improve, but go to other countries even European ones, and its not that great there sorry.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

The Scandinavian countries generally have a more equitable system than ours, though I would in no way idealize their version of democratic socialism.

If the terms socialism, communism, and anarchism alarm you, consider a direct democracy in place of our republic but not abandoning safeguards for tyranny of the majority. Such a safeguard might be a strong judicial system like our Supreme Court but without the lifetime terms, which now disassociate and distance the justices from the general population.

[-] 1 points by MoshehThezion (98) 1 year ago

I wouldnt replace it... I would restore the constitution... because it has not been in effect since 1933... fact. See-- http://mosheh.org/The-Constitution.html

I would fix the nation... restore it.. by..-- http://mosheh.org/A-New-Deal_2012.html

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Integrity.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

We can improve the unfairness that has occured becasue the 1% has rigged the system against the 99%. Like getting money out of politics. Support OWS Vote out pro citizens united politicians

[-] -2 points by chile73 (-88) 1 year ago

how would you do this?

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Support OWS. constant protest/pressure. co opt a party. Pass laws that remove corp influence, that correct the unfair tax system, unfair banking practices. Where have you been?. Do you support OWS or not.?

[-] -3 points by chile73 (-88) 1 year ago

i don't know you sound like an Obama supporter not a Occupy dude.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

How I vote is my business. I am the 99%. I support OWS. I encourage reform within the system, and co opt the Dems. (the repubs are too far gone). Study the issues. know your candidates, both parties suck but they are vastly different. I won't tell you who to vote for but I will say Support OWS. Vote out pro norquist politicians.

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