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Forum Post: "Never be deceived that the rich will permit you to vote away their wealth."

Posted 4 years ago on Aug. 11, 2013, 4:53 p.m. EST by TropicalDepression (-45)
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[-] 2 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 4 years ago

You confuse "permit" with want.

Fuck them!

Get out the Vote, People, 2014!

[-] 1 points by JackHall (413) 4 years ago

While the Tea Party is playing with torches the country could be ignited by reading the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. (etc.)”

In 2013 the highest tax bracket is taxed at 39.6% on income above $450K. In 1986 it was 50% on income above $175K. In 1980 it was 70% on income above $215K. In 1961 it was 90% on income above $400K. In 1944 it was 94% on income above $200K. In 1927 it as 22% on income above $64K.

Stiglitz said:The U.S. grew far faster in the decades after the second world war, when inequality was lower, than it did after 1980, since when the gains have gone disproportionately to the top.

The period of greatest economic growth was when the income taxes were the highest!

If our government had left the tax brackets the way FDR had them we would not be having this discussion.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/08/3551272/another-voter-purge.html

Reality, belies the statement.

Also check on the history of the UAW.

[-] 0 points by narragansett33 (0) 4 years ago

"Never be deceived that the rich will permit you to vote away their wealth."

It would be foolish to think otherwise

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

We do not need permission to uphold our law.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 4 years ago

Good point.

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

The law that applies is Article V. It has the authority to make any change needed. Congress, the Senate, the supremes and the president can do nothing when 3/4 of the states are ratifying amendments.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

It isn't going to happen.

[-] 0 points by yodavision (3) 4 years ago

Gazing into crystal balls now?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Yes. I can see that you are a right wing shill that preaches teathuglicanism. I see you smited in the near future.

[-] -2 points by yodavision (3) 4 years ago

Okay, you have no balls.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Well, you would be correct.

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

It is already happening. Groups are a approaching state legislators in a number of states.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

They have abandoned it in others. It's pushed by ALEC and the Koch heads. What you have failed to realize is that the people that fell for this have considered the length of time and, therefore, energy for a half ass outcome is not worth it. Further, failure on your end to adequately address questions has led to it's demise on the forum.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

Article V has been carried into state legislators for about 6 months now.

ALEC wants an un constitutional convention, not Article V.

When did you ask me a question about Article V? I'm just learning, but I can probably answer anything you would ask given some research.

From what I've seen, you and some others made a bogus thread to smear a poster working for Article V AND exposure of ALEC.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redandbluepill-calls-for-violent-revoltarmed-revol/

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Yeah, you're a newbie. You're full of shit. There was nothing bogus about the thread. Further, you could have traced the prior thread, through the one that you just posted, and read through it. Your either full of shit or a complete and utter imbecile. A little from column A and a little from column B.

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

Okay, so there was no question.

I found the thread by searching for the petition redandbluepill was posting about that slammed ALEC ethically. Exposing in the most fundamental terms that they will not comment on t he most important thing of Article V, constitutional intent. Great non partisan/interest except the constitution, so a lot of people can relate to it.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

I don't need to ask you a question on it. I did all the asking before.

Here, get back to educating yourself.

One guy I was talking to, who was from one of these right wing think tanks was saying we need to curb Obama’s reckless power with these administrative regulations, and he wanted a federal constitutional amendment saying Congress has to approve federal regulations. I said, I don’t think most people are going to want to amend the Constitution for that. I don’t think that ignites people. Maybe it does on the far right, but most people don’t really care about that. And he said, “Oh, well, you really don’t need people to do this. You just need control over the legislature and you need money, and we have both.”

That sentiment was underscored so many times to me, that they don’t want people involved in the political process, or in the policy process. And that seems to be the intent in a lot of ways: You have a think tank in every state and all they do is come up with these very, very regressive policies, you have corporations who are going to benefit so they fund it all, and then you have the legislators as your foot soldiers to carry out the tasks.

There were a couple of instances where legislators actually did challenge some of the policies, but they always lost. The legislators were admonished many times during this conference for not doing enough and for not standing up to the federal government more. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/16/wisconsin-democrat-who-infiltrated-alec-they-dont-want-people-involved-in-the-political-process/

[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

Great article. They are as bad or worse than we thought. That petition, if it gets enough signatures will prove that they are unconstitutional an do not want to be that way.

We can give all the examples we want of ALEC working with corporations stating what they are doing is constitutional, and who can say. But when the people use the constitution to say what is constitutional and ask ALEC to comment, and they won't, it really demonstrates that they are a threat to the constitution.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

That petition will not do a damn thing. You know it. I know it. So, what the fuck are you doing here besides advocating for the tea tolers?

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

Exposing unconstitutional power for the sake of the constitution will do more than you think For example; It will empower and encourage boycotts on corporations generally that have anything to do with ALEC.

Then people will seriously question how an organization with such power can be allowed to work against the constitution.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (386) 1 minute ago

Hmm, cognitive distortions. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


Ya...........nice try. There is no reason for you to hide. You can be straight up. You're in your thirties. Your integrity is at stake. Grow the fuck up already.

[-] -1 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

Being wrong about everything doesn't help. You are using too many cognitive distortions to say your opinion comes from critical thinking.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (382) 0 minutes ago

That you won't support proving that indicates you are working to create an attitude by a connection that only exists by what ALEC says and what you say. Neither is accountable. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


You're full of shit. Your sites are filled with links to the Tea Party. You are firmly entrenched with the Koch heads. Just be the right wing fascist fuck that you are. Stop trying to hide.

[-] -1 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

Hmm, cognitive distortions. Uh you don't kno nutin' 'bout me.

I believe in conspiracies like 9-11, like cointelpro, MKultra, and work to protect rights and freedom with law. Do you believe in the rule of law?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (382) 14 hours ago

Americans that love the constitution and need to defend it. That is why I've registered at articlev.org and been reading about how simple principals are a new political paradigm. This is alter and abolish. The movement has formed. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


And it's failing. Because it is a teathuglican movement that is 100% Koch headed

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

That you won't support proving that indicates you are working to create an attitude by a connection that only exists by what ALEC says and what you say. Neither is accountable.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Who is your audience?

Nobody is buying the shit that you and your lyin' connivin' little crew is selling. Who is your audience?

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

Americans that love the constitution and need to defend it. That is why I've registered at articlev.org and been reading about how simple principals are a new political paradigm. This is alter and abolish. The movement has formed.

[-] -2 points by PerseidsGirl (-35) 4 years ago

And PeacePrize doesn't need permission to ignore it. How nice.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 4 years ago

Or Kucinich' Department of Peace.

[-] -1 points by eureka19 (11) 4 years ago

The liberal elite are the biggest hypocrites in politics

Those who believe otherwise are either still asleep, or

Benefit..$ from the current corrupt state of affairs

http://my.firedoglake.com/cmaukonen/2013/07/22/chris-hedges-the-liberal-elite-has-betrayed-the-people-they-claim-to-defend/

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Libe(R)tarians are far, far worse.

They birthed the teabagge(R)s

http://onthecommons.org/magazine/tea-party-targets-public-libraries

They ARE the Koch's.

They promote Ayn Rand.

They have coopted the GOP.

They are the leaders in austerity World Wide.

They kill people.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/51118/libertarian-capitalism-killed-my-best-friends

Most won't even admit they are involved.

They are a true evil.

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

It falls in line with a thread I posted the other day.

Another one that was ignored by the continuing, issue free soap opera of the banned.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/alec-fights-for-mesothelioma/

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

They've been doing that kind of thing since the 80's, but we're not supposed to believe anything Reagan did still holds water.

Look at the latest from loony toons at the GOP.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/08/oregon-gop-art-robinson-nuclear-waste-airplanes

They're all the same.

Yeah, "right".

In your dreams.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Well OK, just don't tell this guy what's going over at Japan's Fukushima plant.

Or he'll be using tax payer money to ship that effluent over here, to drop on our heads......for a profit, no doubt.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Limerick??

This guy's gonna need a full fledged poem, maybe even a book.

A legendary looney tune, in a party with more nuts in it's bag than a peanut salesman.

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Yes, but can we ignore someone who thinks it's alright to dust us with nuclear waste?

I mean,......... c'mon what??

Is the guy related to Ann Coulter?

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

I know and just when I thought they might have run out of loons to put in charge of something.

They become a bottomless pit of loons.

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[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 4 years ago

Speaking of poisoning people, heres the vote on Bernies legislation to let people know if their food is poisoned:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00135

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[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 4 years ago

"Among repelicans that commitment is almost universal."

I agree. But if our idea of leadership is a group where HALF decided they'd like to POISON us, I think we are royally fucked.

Time to move on from them. Me, you, everyone else here, we dont need them for anything. We can figure this all out, we arent morons.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 4 years ago

This is how we get screwed in this system. Say I live in Michigan. I got two Senators who are Dems, got them elected. Hurray.

Now they both decide to tell Bernie to fuck himself, and tell the population in the state Fuck You, Eat Your Roundup.

So I'm a normal person, and my response is "Fuck me? Oh no, Fuck you, you;re out of there."

Except because they whored out, they now have enough money to control the next election. So now Im stuck voting for someone who voted to poison me, or vote for someone who would have done the same damn thing (Republican candidate).

So what am I going to do?

[-] 2 points by LeoYo (5909) 4 years ago

In real estate, you don't make your money closing the deal, you make your money going in to the deal. That is to say, the profit to be made has to be planned from the very beginning by acquiring a discounted property that can be re-sold at market value.

Politics is no different. If people want to make a change, they have to do so at the beginning, not after the fact. After the fact is already too late as the damage is already done.

Trans-Partisan Cooperative Voting: Establishing Political Accountability

http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/

Money in politics is only relevant because the People have never chosen to be. No amount of money in the world could buy out an election if the People merely stood united on trans-partisan issues important to all and forced the hand of any candidate that wanted to be elected to sign an affidavit of their commitment. So long as the People remain unwilling to do that, money will always continue to rule.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 4 years ago

Very true. All the work is before the election. Once election time comes, you simply see the fruits of your labor.

Its just tough as hell getting people to get out and volunteer their time.

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[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 4 years ago

If I vote for either one of em, thats exactly what Im doing.

If I dont, Im doing it as well.

Lose-lose. A money driven system with two shit choices. Even the good ones at the smaller levels, if they dont behave they will get the boot.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Wait...What???

Find me the Dem that wants to spray us with nuclear waste.

That's a new one, as you never found the others I asked you to point out.

Oh and here............

You keep skipping over this.

So I'm thinking FEAR is taking over again.

http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/

There's a guy, who really gets it.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Don't forget DuPont.

http://growingfl.com/news/2013/03/more-dupont-pioneer-monsanto-settlement/

Nor the Koch's screwing of the union, when they bought part of it out right.

http://dupontworkers.com/dupont_lawsuit.htm

Which of course, brings us full circle, back around to a thread much ignored, for the soap opera of the banned.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/union-history-down-the-memory-hole/

Oh.......and although I haven't looked, if you do, I would suspect that you would find a connection to Michigan based DOW chemical.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 4 years ago

Honestly, its why I thought the ALEC Corporate Board post was so important.

If someone hates ALEC, and they think they are voting against their interest by putting in a Democrat, theres a very very good chance that candidate took money directly from an ALEC board member.

So suppose you remove Republicans 100%. You think these men arent going to go and tell the other group of pathetic politicians to submit their bills?

If they are willing to accept the money, they are willing to do anything.

If ALEC offered you a check for your campaign, would you take it? Of course not. But they do. Gladly.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

"So suppose you remove Republicans 100%."

YES!!!

Let's do that. It would make space for that new party you keep calling for.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't miss a single one of them.

I'm glad we finally see eye to eye on this........:)

I'll start working on getting rid of the POS Snyder and you can work on getting rid of this guy.

http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/

Plus there's OWS precedent!!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/to-oust-a-congressman-step-one/

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 4 years ago

It wouldnt make space for anything because it would then be filled with whored out dems. Thats the point.

The spectacle of clowns to replace current clown Scott are already lining up.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

With your attitude, nothing will ever change.

I'll try this once more as this guy gets, what you don't.

Keep your FEAR at bay for a bit a read a little.

http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 4 years ago

Well, it was a Dem that nuked two cities. But that was a long time ago.

I just showed you who wants to poison your food. What more do you need? Rubio and Nelson- yes, he's another Dem- did too. Im sure Scott would of too if he had a vote.

So what more do you need than people directly telling you Fuck You, Eat Your Roundup?

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 4 years ago

4.8 Million in lobbying by Dupont. They are a monster as well:

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000495

There are no good choices in this system.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

With that attitude, there never will be.

You should be looking into how much they are spending on the wonders of Florida agriculture, and which of your State reps are on their dole.

What think tanks, marketing firms, astroturfers do they use?

Plus all the wage slave, undocumented immigrants they employ.

As go the States, so goes the Nation.

[-] -2 points by FearAgent (-59) 4 years ago

I'd ask for a Jesse Jackson Jr limerick, but we already know your position on him

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TTJ7qljsr0w/TQYv-dfZ9II/AAAAAAAABSQ/p4ErzQnRCAQ/s1600/1101_apology.jpg

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[-] -2 points by FearAgent (-59) 4 years ago

I don't know. "Be nice to the fukers" doesn't have the same ring to it.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

I have been waiting for someone to bring up Jesse Jackson, Jr.

When you write that shit? Be sure to include how he does his time first and then his wife does hers because all American parents get the same treatment, ya?

[-] -2 points by FearAgent (-59) 4 years ago

I did yesterday in the Oust a Congressman thread. ZD didn't seem that concerned.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (16747) from South Burlington, VT 1 day ago

he fuked up - it's a shame, but that is how it is. There are plenty of other political criminals running around DC, and most of them are from the other side of the aisle . . .

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

So, write one yourself.

[-] 0 points by summerbummer (-33) 4 years ago

There once was a congressman named Jesse

Whose marriage did get a bit messy

Caught stealing campaign monies

To spend on his honies

Now he's doing 12 mths or less-y

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

That's pretty good.

[-] -2 points by FearAgent (-59) 4 years ago

I'm lazy, so unless he lives near Nantucket, I'm gonna leave it to the pros.

[-] -3 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 4 years ago

Love the quote. Voting needs to end.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Could it be that our entire system was created like, a top down domination, for this very reason?