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[-] 3 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

ForrFredom, did someone step on your toes? If your rights are being denied, welcome to life. Now, you know how Occupiers feel. Don't much care for it, do you? Stop whining about it, pick up a sign and start marching. And if you think that Occupy has commited the worst offense to your freedoms, you're in for a rude awakening, Sparky.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I am doing something about it. I'm expressing my freedom of speech in a way that doesn't violate anyone else's freedoms. It's what you nerds should have been doing all along.

[-] 3 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Us nerds should have been doing [this] all along? What about your particular sub set of the human species? You claim to have always been fighting for freedom of speech? Put up some links to posts you've written here at OWS or the Tea Party or anywhere other than your post on someone's facebook page. And how is it you know their Occupiers again?

[-] 1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

Hey, looks like you are catching up with the ART5 guy. He did 9-11 and screen shotted all the infiltrating forums before and while they were doin their cointelpro thing. Looks pretty widespread and reaching back far enough where a good percentage of what we see is fake.

http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11disinfo-sitemap.html

There is another page on the site about current political infiltrations.

http://algoxy.com/poly/nwo_cognitive_infiltration.html

[-] 3 points by hamalmang (722) from Lebanon, PA 2 years ago

That is not what freedom of speech means.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

So tell us what your old user name was then maybe you will find some sympathy.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I've had two usernames on here. ForrFredom and ForrFreedom.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Sorry, neither of them established a reputation with me.

[-] 2 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

According to Ayn Rand, only the state can deny freedom of speech. Private bodies of civil society can set up whatever rules they want and they can be as systematic or arbitrary as they want, but whatever they are and whatever their limitations, they do not constitute a violation of freedom of speech according to perhaps the most outstanding philosopher of unbridled capitalism.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I didn't quite understand what you were saying. Did you say that people don't have freedom of speech in privately owned domains?

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

It is the state that determines "rights," all rights. Private associations however loosely or coherently organized, may set up any rules they wish, formal or informal. Those rules may impose various restrictions on members and participants, but formally speaking such restrictions do not amount to a restriction of rights. Rights exist only in the political sphere, not in the associations of civil society per se.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Oh. I see. Does Zuccotti Park belong to an association of civil society?

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

Your whole approach seems hostile to OWS, which is fine. I could be wrong, but I suspect that your views are somewhat conservative. I have pointed out that one of the most outstanding ideologues of conservative values has very specifically stated that only the state can censor. Agencies of civil societies can make all kinds of rules, formal and informal, arbitrary and logical, that they like, but such rules are not, formally speaking, censorship. These are the views of an outstanding philosopher of rampant capitalism, though they are not her's exclusively and are shared by political philosophers across the spectrum.

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

Well OWS is not hierarchally organized in any traditional sense, but that doesn't mean that there is no organization at all. The organizing center of every occupation everywhere is the general assemblies who set the rules of conduct for their particular occupation. They may do this formally or informally or in some combination of both.

[-] 2 points by forjustice (178) from Kearney, NE 2 years ago

Just curious, are you this upset about HR 347?

And just so you know, most people on here don't engage in a debate with your inarticulate belligerent posts (I see why several posters assume you're drunk), because they have nothing to do with the moderation of the FB page, they have ID'ed you as a troll, or really just don't think your worth responding to. If you think your ranting has anyone fearful to type a response you have a very special sort of ego

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Something I said didn't make sense to you? Let me know what it was. I'll break it down Barney style for you. BTW. It's spelled "you're." Sheesh. I have to force feed you the truth and grammar lessons.

[-] 2 points by forjustice (178) from Kearney, NE 2 years ago

You didn't answer my question.

And the entire concept attacking users on this site over the actions of a mod on another site, is where you lost me. You could spell that out for me.

And thanks for the correction.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Ok. I'll spell it out for you since the obvious escapes you. I can't post on a website that I'm banned from. It only makes sense to go to ANOTHER OWS website. I need to take my complaints to an area where they can best be heard by the offending party. Sound familiar? Please tell me this makes sense to you because I don't know any more basic way of stating it.

[-] 1 points by forjustice (178) from Kearney, NE 2 years ago

What was said that led to the FB admin banning you? PM it if you think it'd get you banned here.

And you still didn't answer my question about HR 347.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Oops. *you're

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I think I know where you going with HR 347. Yes the constitution allows for the government to create laws dealing with their own facilities. No it isn't right that people aren't allowed to dance on Jefferson Memorial.

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[-] 1 points by forjustice (178) from Kearney, NE 2 years ago

I'll admit, I smirked. Accept clearly you only went to their site to troll, which in itself is one thing, but even joking it is beyond just hateful. It can be seen as a call for violence. Not all speech is protected in all settings. Try real dialogue next time.

I don't get to put my signs in your yard if you don't like them. Don't expect that FB page to let you post stuff like that on their site.

And you still never answered my question.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Yes I did. I think the government should be able to create laws governing their own facilities. I think it's morally wrong to arrest someone for dancing in a domain that is dedicated to the public. On the other hand I watched the videos. They too were trolling, all be it for a good cause. :O)

[-] 2 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

Why are you complaining here? This ain't facebook.

What did you say that got you banned? Specifically.

Careful.........doushes get banner here too, from time to time.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Ok. I'll spell it out for you since the obvious escapes you. I can't post on a website that I'm banned from. It only makes sense to go to ANOTHER OWS website. I need to take my complaints to an area where they can best be heard by the offending party. Sound familiar? Please tell me this makes sense to you because I don't know any more basic way of explaining it.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

You said you were thrown out of youtube too.

How long are you planning to last here?

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

They were too afraid to admit it. So I called them cowards. Seems suitable to me. They got all teary eyed and banned me... You see what I mean? Hypocrites and cowards.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Not long. I've already been banned from chat by robwerks.

http://img168.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=475331683_oppression7_122_1030lo.jpg

http://img237.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=475369147_oppression6_122_199lo.jpg

That's a metric butt ton of hypocrisy. All I wanted was for one occupier to admit that it's hypocritical to ban people when you preach freedom of speech on private property and then ban someone when they are doing that very thing.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

There are rules in those places, as there are here.

Howard Stern has a chatroom you might like. chatyourassoff.com

No rules at all there. If it makes you fell better, I apologize for what other sites have done to you.

Please accept it and don't be a hypocrite.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

So you admit there isn't freedom of speech in the OWS chatroom?

[-] 3 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

There isn't freedom of speech anywhere. What made you think there was?

You must not be married, or dating.

The rules here are clearly stated, though loosely upheld. Try and add something positive and useful, as those that don't seem to disappear after a while.

I'm just sayin'.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

You say. There isn't freedom of speech anywhere. Does that include OWS Chat?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

Comprehension issues?

You should answer the question, I asked.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

This one? What made you think there was? My answer.The first amendment.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

Like I said. You must not be married, or dating.

There never has been freedom of speech.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Nice dodge. Take it to the realm of joking. Coward.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

The only coward I see here is you.

You couldn't find a way to win your battle, so you brought it here.

Cowardly, that.

I gave you a simple truth, and you wouldn't acknowledge it.

Turned it into an insult.

Cowardly.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

And what truth might that be? I missed it.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

And now you want to play coy?

You're really not that cute.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

Yeah, ok.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

You don't believe me? Here's proof.

http://img161.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=367259164_opression3_122_140lo.jpg

Where is my option to comment? It doesn't exist because I was banned.

http://img239.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=286428943_opression2_122_567lo.jpg

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

looks like the post got deleted possibly by the author

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

That would make sense except the post didn't get deleted. It's still there. I'm not allowed to comment on their page anymore.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

sounds like a block

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

How are they fighting for my first amendment rights by blocking my comments?

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

If you had a website, you could block people too.

It was a privately owned website that you went to. With private property, people have certain rights. You wouldn't want someone to interfere with your private property rights, would you?

They support your first amendment rights, but that applies to communication in public spaces.

[-] 1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

Would the constitution give rights to private property so the owners could block speech that defends the constitution?

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

I don't know, you tell me. You're an American, right?

But I would assume so, yes. If you have your own website, you can block any speech from it, even speech that defends the constitution. And the constitution supports your right to do so.

For one reason, your site may have nothing to do with the constitution. It might be about your business, so why would you allow free speech from other people about defending the constitution on your site?

Also, different organizations will have different perspectives on defending the constitution, and its within their right to deny you access to expressing your perspective about the constitution on their site.

There are public spaces where you can freely express your opinion, if you are not disruptive of society, and there are private places where you cannot.

[-] 1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

If free speech is abridged, no, the constitution must stand.

arturo wrote "But I would assume so, yes. If you have your own website, you can block any speech from it, even speech that defends the constitution. And the constitution supports your right to do so."

If free speech exists meaningfully enough to defend the constitution, yes, but if not, then no. By the same legal basis that a peace officer can commandeer your vehicle, your website must serve the defense of the constitution.

If a judge won't allow it and no adequate free speech for creating the needed unity for defense of the constitution can be shown, then the judge would be acting unconstitutional.

If it can be shown that what speech exists that is called "free" is compromised by a conspiracy to defeat speech intended to defend the constitution when significant usurpations can be shown, private property, logically, constititonally can be commandeered and used to defend the law of that land that protect the rights of ALL of the people to private property.

It is criminal to allow the commission of a crime. It is a crime to deny speech that will defend the constitution when it can be shown such is needed. It is misprision of treason, if the speaking would reveal treason.

If there were a murder about to be committed and you knew it and refuse to let someone use your cell phone, you might be prosecuted. You will have civil liability too.

[-] 1 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

"If it can be shown that what speech exists that is called 'free' is compromised by a conspiracy to defeat speech intended to defend the constitution when significant usurpations can be shown, private property, logically, constititonally can be commandeered..."

No, it can't. No private individual or enterprise may deprive another of his or her property rights for any reason that isn't agreed upon by prior contract, as with a leased car being repossessed or a mortgage being foreclosed for non-payment. You have no "rights" to free speech in a private venue, as the government is the only entity that can deprive you of "rights" and they're not in the room. Kidnapping is not a violation of "rights," it's a violation of "liberty," which makes it a crime. Violating "rights" is a different kind of crime that involves government by definition.

"It is a crime to deny speech that will defend the constitution when it can be shown such is needed."

This is meaningless. The content of the speech only matters when it has the effect of causing injury or harm in some way, like causing a stampede by shouting fire in a crowded theater that is not on fire. Speech that you think defends the constitution, could, in another person's opinion, be injurious to the constitution. That's why content is never the issue. It doesn't matter if you believe your speech is the equivalent of the Magna Carta, if the owner of private property doesn't want you saying it on his lawn, he can kick your ass off it. Same is true on a private website.

And, by the way, the police only commandeer cars in the movies. Life isn't an episode of "24." This is reality. Deal with it.

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[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

If things are as you say, than you should have a clear cut case and should be able to easily win against the owners of that website in court. So why don't you do that if that is what you believe?

Are you saying that you should be able to go to any website and demand your right to "defend the constitution" by saying whatever you want at that site?

If you had a website, should I be able to go on to your website and say whatever I want if I claim that I am defending the constitution?

[-] 1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

Your question has already been answered, so your rhetoric exposes you.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/my-freedom-of-speech-is-being-denied-please-help/#comment-685775

I can show you sites where citizens trying to get civil governments to provide medical procedures that are required by laws are denied due process and eqaul protection of law then persecuted for it in other civil actions where entire court systems are made prejudice and defend injustice by uniform collusion.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Then go for it, sue them and demand your right to speak your message on their site. Considering the validity of your argument, you should be able to post on every website in the world!

[-] 1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

1) The forum software does not accomodate people who do not read and pay attention.

2) If you are an American, then we share the problem. If you cannot accept this see 1)

3) The US Constitution is a valid social contract.

4) Are you acting so incoherent and stupid because you are a bot? Or, is a an unconscious emotional fixation on pointless conflict? (yep, loaded question)

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

1) Obviously not true, considering that you are still here.

4) What is incoherent about "You want to get your message out..."? Perhaps a remedial reading lesson would do you well.

[-] 1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

You are not reading. Why should I bother? Your reponses are not coherent to the discussion nor are they showing you;ve observed any fact. Not supporting that Americans use free speech to expose and unify against treason in defense of the constitution is very clear in your posting.

You would see it destroyed before justifying law allow speech on private property to defend it.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

You want to get your message out, you demand that you have a right to get your message out. So do it, and stop blaming me for whatever your problem is.

[-] 1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

Okay, you're incoherent. I understand. But the fact you advocate treason be allowed to happen secretly is reprehensible.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

I guess you can go ahead and make all kinds of outrageous accusations if you don't have anything better to say.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

They also say that everyone has the right to publicly express their dissenting opinions. That doesn't seem to apply at the OWS COMMUNITY facebook page does it?

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

People have a right to express their opinions in public areas. If areas are privately owned, the owners make the decisions about whether others will be allowed to communicate on their property or not.

Does that site claim to be public in a strict legal sense, like any public area where people can talk? If not, they have a right and probably a reason to enforce their own rules.

Political parties, while they generally support freedom of expression, probably will not allow just anyone to express themselves during their meetings.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Go ahead and support hypocrites and cowards. If it doesn't make you like them it at least means you aided them. Shouldn't OWS try and extinguish hypocrisy? You know the answer but you'll refuse to accept it because you are a drone.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

meow meow meow meow meow

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I love meow mix. Are you tempting it with a treat? Try a beggin strip.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

Yes I am.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Your a good person.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

*You're hypoccupier. You're.

[-] 1 points by ancientmariner (275) 2 years ago

Frustrated troll.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Troll... Someone who is presenting the truth... I'm a reasonable guy. I can see how you could confuse the two.

[-] 1 points by ancientmariner (275) 2 years ago

Troll = Someone who is presenting the truth?

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."

--George Orwell, "1984."

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I see your frame of mind. In this case that quote doesn't apply in the sense that you mean it. But it is still relevant to the situation none the less. It's all about perspective. From the inside looking out I'm a troll. From my perspective I'm looking at you in a cage. Your mind is barred only to believe what is within the limits of OWS and whatever crap novels you are feeding your brain with. You want to know the truth? Anytime you are picking a side you are letting your thoughts be influenced. You want your side to win so badly that you reject anything to the contrary. This is what I'm trying to get you nerds to see. I present you with a clear cut case and you still reject it. Your mind lives in a box who's walls are OWS. All I'm doing is pissing on the cardboard so hopefully your coward ass can break out.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I pick the side against greed corruption manipulation pollution abuse of others. You know the Good Guy's in the white hats - OWS OCCUPY 99% Sierra Club etc. etc.

Apparently you like to live in the dark with the nasty greedy corrupt rapers of the world and it's peoples.

Hence: [-] 0 points by ForrFredom (4) 12 minutes ago

I see your frame of mind. In this case that quote doesn't apply in the sense that you mean it. But it is still relevant to the situation none the less. It's all about perspective. From the inside looking out I'm a troll. From my perspective I'm looking at you in a cage. Your mind is barred only to believe what is within the limits of OWS and whatever crap novels you are feeding your brain with. You want to know the truth? Anytime you are picking a side you are letting your thoughts be influenced. You want your side to win so badly that you reject anything to the contrary. This is what I'm trying to get you nerds to see. I present you with a clear cut case and you still reject it. Your mind lives in a box who's walls are OWS. All I'm doing is pissing on the cardboard so hopefully your coward ass can break out.

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[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I haven't taken the side of anyone else but myself here. You have ideas about me that aren't founded. You've already confirmed what I thought about you.

[-] 1 points by ancientmariner (275) 2 years ago

Au Contair, it is your mind that is blocked, and frozen into one vision, slowly eating away the world and all that is in it, until nothing is left but you own insatiable hunger. And still, still, you will cling to your great dillusion.

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

new to the net ?

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

No. I'm getting a bachelors in computer science. Definitely not new to the web. You avoided my question btw.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

it's rhetorical

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[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I can see you're having trouble with finding an answer so I'll answer for you. They aren't fighting for our rights. In fact they are doing quite the opposite. They are promoting censorship. They obviously don't believe in freedom. They believe that you should be able to do what you want in order to get your way. They tell the general public that it's wrong to violate human rights and then do that very thing behind closed doors.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Do you see where it says "Sorry. You may not have permission to add this comment." They banned me before I could make that post. When I refreshed the page I didn't have the option to add a comment.

[-] 1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

Wow, I actually can't make sense out of those links. I've been checking this out here. Uh, this is f'nnn weird.

Here are some links that you may find interesting. This one won't show in the forum when you post in it. Look at the date it was first posted.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-does-a-soldier-defend-the-constitution-from-a-/

This one will. Someone reposted it.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-do-a-soldier-defend-the-constitution-from-a-do/

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Hmm valid point. Why can't I post in ANY threads? I don't even have the option now. Can you make sense of that please?

[-] 1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

You just posted, and I got a notice and now reply. Did the thread go to the top?

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Ohhhh. I see. You're confused. We're talking about the OWS facebook page. Not this one. I haven't been banned here yet. I was also banned on youtube in case you were wondering. Here's the link :O)

http://img293.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=104374254_oppression_122_30lo.jpg

[-] 1 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

You enjoy being banned, so you figured you'd give this place a try?

Is there Guinness category for that?

[-] 1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

Hmmmm yet one more problem with spreading out rather than assembling in one place.

Yes confused. Facebook is too corporately advanced for my crappy equipment. Basically I'm blessed.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Blessed with the ability to deny the truth.

[-] 2 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

No, blessed with the inability to be socially networked. The infiltration is outrunning my economic ability to buy corporate shit. Even in these forums if we are not sharing our emails, we're being worked. a_way_to_live@inorbit.com

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

If you are an ayn rand fan - google "ayn rand william hickman"
it will make everything clear


and who did ron name his son after?

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

There are many contexts of civil society in which the notion of free speech rights simply do not apply, the most obvious of which is the work place, where, after all, we spend nearly half our waking lives.

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[-] 0 points by seeker (242) 2 years ago

This forum is more damaging to the Occupy movement than the NYPD.. or any outrageous conspiracy theories or any politician that supports the constitution... Its shitting in the name of freedom.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

The forum doesn't think. It's a series of instructions created by a programmer(s). Occupiers are the ones shitting on the name of freedom and your movement. Your core supporters are unable to think for themselves. They are puppets to the movement.

[-] 0 points by billygoat (0) 2 years ago

Your movement is doomed. FEMA is watching, and will put you in camps soon. Your movement is nothing but bs from a bunch of whiny, drug addicted rapist scum with lice and rabies who are the cancer of society. NO ONE RESPECTS YOU!! the NYPD will ALWAYS win, YOU LOSE.....why don't you all mass OD like Jonestown and do us all a favor??? The 1% own you and always will!

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I don't have a movement. I represent myself.

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[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

This youtube video is a perfect example of what these cowardous occupiers do. She came looking for a fight. She got one. Faked an injury and then dramatized the whole thing to try and make it looks like it was NYPD's fault. That's what a coward does.

[-] 0 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

At least shes finally using her theater degree for something

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[-] -1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

with dems /libs/ ows,.....you're free to say whatever you want,..........as long as you agree with them.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

LoL! THANK GOD! Finally someone sees the situation for what it REALLY is.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5662) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Just curious, why are you bitching on an OWS forum for how you're being treated on Facebook? The two are, after all, entirely separate entities. I read your comments below. You want to be heard by the 'offending party.' A couple of facts: This isn't it. There is no such thing as an 'OWS moderator.' This website is (or was) owned by Kalle Lasn, not OWS. And lastly, freedom of speech doesn't exist on a privately-run or -owned website, only in the public arena (you know, like a PARK).

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Well. Quite frankly it's not just OWS FB that's is subverting my dissenting opinions.

http://img237.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=475369147_oppression6_122_199lo.jpg

http://img293.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=104374254_oppression_122_30lo.jpg

And I agree with your comment. People have first amendment rights on public property. Did you think Zuccotti Park was public property? It isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuccotti_Park

OWS was not welcome there. And yet they remained because they said they had a right to publicly express their dissenting opinions. Using the same logic should I not be allowed to stay here and and on FB and on Youtube and express my dissenting opinions? Do you see how this is hypocritical?

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5662) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Zucotti is a privately-owned PUBLIC space, 'public' being the operative word, although the politicians that pushed the ordinance through probably didn't have political dissent in mind. But, more importantly, you seem to miss the oft-cited point that there is no such thing as freedom of speech on a private website. You do understand that, right? Once more: there is no such thing as freedom of speech on a privately-owned website. By the way, I do agree that you shouldn't be banned for expressing your opinions on ANY website, but at least I realize 'he who runs the site has final say.'

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Thank you for admitting it's wrong. You are the first. I'm sorry if you thought I called you a hypocrite. Because you aren't. The OWS community should listen to what you have to say. They believe they are allowed to voice their opinions wherever they want. This isn't true. The first amendment guarantees your right to freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech is denied once you use it to restrict other people's freedoms. I can see you understand this. If you protest, please be considerate of other people's freedoms.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Troll brethren in support.

So Sweet.

Who knew that they had it in them?


0 points by po6059 (51) 21 minutes ago

with dems /libs/ ows,.....you're free to say whatever you want,..........as long as you agree with them. ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] 1 points by ForrFredom (4) 16 minutes ago

LoL! THANK GOD! Finally someone sees the situation for what it REALLY is. ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

All I want is for my voice to be heard! I know the OWS Community FB isn't going to lift the ban. All I wanted was to post two comments in the newest thread. Help me receive the freedom of speech I deserve.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Whoa. It seems you hypoccupiers have been busy while I was gone. Sorry for the absence. I had to give my son a bath and put him to sleep. I have to fight for freedom in between being a father. I can't answer all your questions but I can say you brought up some valid points.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

To all of you with negative comments,

I answer your questions in the form of a question. If a bum walked up to you, right after climbing out of a dumpster, looked at you and said, "what you do is disgusting." Would you be offended?

P.S. I know this is going to hurt your brains so I'll get to the point. You're the bum in this story.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago
[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Today, it seems, peaceful protest was served with an elbow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFaV1Mp1byk

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

From this day on every occupier is a hypocrite.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

That's a hot load of douchebaggery that you got going on there!

Is this what you came for?

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

The worst part? You occutard drones are going to read this post and say "this guy is an uneducated lemming." The truth. That's YOU. It's your inner guilt that brings you to the streets. You're mad at yourself because you didn't have the strength to face life. You march because it helps you to momentarily feel like you aren't a coward. You want to do something meaningful? Raise your kids to be good people. You want to change private organizations? Find the motivation to get a business degree and promote positive change in a business.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

So far not one single occupier has admitted to any wrong doing by OWS. This shows the true nature of the occupier. Out of all of you none were willing to admit the truth. This is direct evidence of the hypocritical nature of the occupier. How do you expect Americans to receive your message when you are no better than the people you protest? The only difference between your group and a corporate human rights violator is money.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Ok hypoccutards. I have to get some rest because I have work in the morning. I'm not superhuman you know.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Obvious. I doubt your even adequate human.

More likely Failed attempt at Human

[-] -1 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

But he has a job... sooo who's really the failure

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Good luck with that.

[-] -1 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

I have a job, I don't need luck ;)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Just keep repeating that. It will help you sleep at night.

The sun will come out...tomorrow bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow.......

[-] -1 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

This is your problem, your all pessimistic. I know I won't have to worry about a job in the future because I have a good resume and I know people, but if I were in your position, I would spend more time networking and making myself more profitable

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well of coarse you would. Why has no one else ever thought of doing that.

Huh.

I can see that you are firmly grounded in your reality.

That's nice.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I speak a little hypoccutard so I think I know what you're saying. I believe you are trying to say "you're." It's a concatenation of "you are." Just because there isn't a red squiggly line under it doesn't mean it's right.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Oh OUCH.

Shit Head.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

That's exactly what I thought. In the face of opposition all the OWS cowards flee. Even on their own website they can't muster the courage to own up to their own wrong doings. What a bunch of losers.

[-] -2 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

The occupy movement is full of hypocrites. They say they're all about nonviolent movements, but then they're all up in your face with their signs, yelling obscenities at you, and provoking police to arrest them. I feel like OWS is just as big of a sham as that Kony dude movement.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I call for the resignation of the moderator that banned me. He violated my basic human rights and he doesn't deserve to have the power that he has. If you don't do this your whole movement is hypocritical.

[-] -3 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Uh oh. Do I smell fear? These occupiers are like "crap, he's onto us. He knows that inside all of us is the heart of a coward. Hurry up. Unlike his posts so they get put to the bottom of the page." Hahahaha.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

Wanna play?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Go Get em. This loser looks like it needs some company driving it's meaningless post all by itself. POOR Baby.

Who's fredom is it fur anywho those pooooor depraved ( deprived? ) greedy corrupt?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

He's another punk ass little bitch that had one too many shots tonight.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It certainly is messed up.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

Yeah. Too bad that they can't pull someone over on the internet for drunk posting.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Careful they just might start - new source of revenue and all.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

True that.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Anyway you've missed some different troll activity since we last talked. There are some pretty messed up characters posting now. New generation trolls blaming OWS for the problems of the world. More pathetic than interesting though. Still as defenseless to a slap down as a normal troll. But these ones like to play the I know you are what am I game. Are they being hired out of grade school now?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

Ah......well if I have time then I will stop back up here tomorrow. But, coward that he is then he will just have a new whine with a new name.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Not usually to hard to spot. You aren't that rusty.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Troll. Someone trying to get you hypoccupiers to see the truth. I can see how they would seem the same from your perspective.

[-] 1 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

Not trolls. We are occupiers of the OWS movement. We figure, since you guys occupy (troll) us in real life and wont leave us alone at our job, might as well occupy (or what you consider to be troll) you were you spend the most of your life, the internet.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Keep telling yourself that pretty soon you will begin to believe it.

[-] -1 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

Your argument makes no sense. Go back to the drawing board champ

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If I didn't know better I would think you were deluded. How can a sane person not be against the corruption that is ruining this Country this World. You bitch about a minor inconvenience in your (?) life. Try living in Syria try living in the Congo Try working for Apple in China.

Try getting a life.

[-] 1 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

Thats why I'm glad I was born in America and why Im going to do everything I can to make the most out of my life.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I don't drink. Nice try though. I'm far from a punk ass little bitch. I'm quite the opposite. I'm not afraid to fight for a JUST cause. You on the other hand are willing to follow the herd wherever they go. Before you can grow as a human being you should recognize your short comings. If you are a coward admit it to yourself. After you recognize the problem you can start to formulate a solution.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

Sure you do and sure you are!

First thing you gotta do is admit you have a problem. Once you admit that you are a drunk you can face your other problem. You have a trolololololololol problem.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

Just what just cause ARE you fighting for?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

He's fighting for team manager over at a PR firm.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

Negative marketing does have it's adherents.

Got the branding, but the message is blurred..................:)

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I'm an electrician. They don't give out brownie points for delivering the truth in a forum.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

Sure you are, bud. Sure you are.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

And THAT right there is called the TRUTH. Give it a sec to soak in. It takes awhile to get used to it.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

That's exactly the response I would expect by someone who is unwilling to admit the truth. You ARE willing to reject any claims that are contrary to your beliefs. You pick and choose what you want to hear. THAT makes you a lemming.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

The only truth here is that you are a punk ass little bitch.

And..have a blessed day.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Have a blessed day yourself hypoccupier.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I want the moderator who oppressed my public opinions to resign from his/her position. That person doesn't deserve the power they have if they are going to use it to restrict people's freedom and I also want the ban lifted. That's only fair right?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

This ain't facebook. I don't believe anyone here can help you.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I'm the only one posting because all the cowards left when they realized I had a point to prove. Like cockroaches when the lights come on. Echo echo. Only a few of you curious who know I'm right but are mad because I insulted you are left. I'll say this. If I insulted you I'm sorry. If what I said was true and you are still insulted you should apologize to yourself.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

Why would I be insulted?

You posted an inconclusive video, and a nonexistent jpg. The only one you really insulted was yourself.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

http://img161.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=367259164_opression3_122_140lo.jpg

This jpg doesn't exist. It's right here. Take a look. What me to pm the link to you?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26662) 2 years ago

I don't do facebook. Never did myspace either.

What's this got to do with here?

Why are pickin' on us for a stupid facebook page?

[-] 1 points by Jumphrey (106) 2 years ago

seriously. click "everyone", then you can see everyone's post.

129 comments later, and nobody thought to mention that..?

or the fact that the moderator has it set so that they review each comment to check for hate-postings or spam, and that it's been updated from a phone for the past few weeks, meaning he/she can't do that.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I don't think you quite got it. I don't have the option to post there anymore. They banned me from posting. How can they claim that they deserve to express their first amendment right in Zuccotti Park, which is private property, where they were not welcome and then ban me from their FB when I was trying to do the exact same thing they were. Does that sound hypocritical at all to you?

[-] 1 points by Jumphrey (106) 2 years ago

Because "they" is likely a singular person who set up that page, and identified you as a troll.

You seem to think your freedom of speech involves the right to undermine the publications of others, and prevent them from speaking coherently. If you want to create a facebook page and post what you want there, go ahead. Hell, you're on here, post what you originally wanted to post on there, but on here.

Have you done that yet? I'd like to see what you were wanting to post. If it seems legit, then I'll try and post it myself, and if I'm not banned for it, then it will be clear that you are not being honest about this matter.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Drink some coffee and sober-up or drink some more and pass out. Tomorrow is another day. Stink positive.

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[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 2 years ago

You wouldn't have a lice problem if you stopped sleeping with your sister, eh?

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[-] -3 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

You want to know who I am? I'm a husband. I'm a proud father. I honorably served four years in the U.S. military. I work full time in construction and I go to college at night. I help to build this country, not destroy it. And I've earned the right to tell all you occupiers that you are SPINELESS COWARDS.

[-] 4 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Thank you for your service. I was drafted into the Army in 1970 and honorably served a one year tour in Vietnam. I've worked since I was 11 yrs. old. I went to college. So what? Take you head of your..."little world" for a minute and think about the real world your children will inherit if things continue as they are. As to the vid you posted, spineless cowards generally don't go around looking to pick fights. They're too spineless. As to what you've "earned", that's subject to debate. That said, there are, however, agents provocateur who infiltrate Occupy demonstrations and do the kinds of things you see in that video. Now, take your .357 out in the yard and shoot some cans or something. Blow off some steam, and get a grip.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Oh. I forgot to mention. By supporting a group of hypocrites to they point where you aren't even willing to admit the truth you are also A SPINELESS COWARD.

[-] 1 points by Jumphrey (106) 2 years ago

you just called a veteran of Vietnam a spineless coward. I call bullshit, you aren't in the US Military, not a chance in hell.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

You're right. I'm not in the military. I'm a veteran. I got out in 2006. I was an Explosive Ordinance Disposal Techinician. http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=4557

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I do think about the world my children will inherit all the time. I've seen your youtube videos. I've read your literature. I've been following the OWS movement since the dancers were arrested at The Jefferson Memorial. And everything you guys say is either skewed, hypocritical or an outright lie. I've watched you harass police officers until they break on camera and cry "brutality!" when all they were doing is serving your sorry ass the justice you deserve. You want to use your activities to establish your credibility? You might as well throw away that service you did for this country in Vietnam because it's not worth anything when you turn around and support a group of domestic terrorists.

[-] 5 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Well, I don't know what you were taught about what this country stands for when you were growing up, but after what I've seen, read and heard over the last ten years this sure isn't what I pledged my allegiance to. If to you that means throwing away my service, then I guess I'm guilty as charged.

Stop buying the media hype and spend an hour reading about what OWS really stands for. Do you think that money should buy the "loudest" voice? That corporations have the same rights as people in supporting candidates for elected office? Corpoations are NOT people, they're comprised OF people who already can voice their support. They shouldn't get to "double down" through corporate sponsorship of candidates. The same should be true for any PAC.

Do you think that it's just fine to allow some Wall St. financials to lie and to cheat their clients, bilking them out of billions of dollars and throwing the world's economy into chaos? If you do, then don't join us. Don't try to make changes. Sit tight. Your kids will be the next ones to get suckered by bankers dealing from the bottom of the deck.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Ok. To address your comments. I don't buy media hype, I don't even watch tv. I've spent countless hours researching OWS. That's why I feel I have the right to speak about it. Just because my opinions don't reflect yours doesn't mean I'm ignorant to the motivation behind your ideals/actions. I just think you're wrong. I don't believe that money should buy the loudest voice but I know it's wrong to try and restrict people's freedom to use their OWN money how they see fit. You shouldn't have any power in determining how people choose to live their own lives. Of course corporations should be allowed to support their favorite candidate. That's called participating in the electoral process. Just because the corporations aren't supporting your favorite candidate doesn't mean they are playing unfair. The American public votes for who they want to vote for. If they are fickle enough to buy into propaganda than that's their fault. You can make it your moral agenda to enlighten people to their wicked ways, that's your own choice. But how can you consider yourself a credible source when you are participating in more illegal activities than any party candidate could ever hope to get away with? And in reference to your last paragraph. You obviously haven't researched what caused the financial collapse. If you want me to explain it to you I will. I would rather you look it up on your own though because it would require a lot of writing. In short banks thought they could make money whether someone defaulted on their housing loans so they didn't care who they lent to. They average citizen taking on loans didn't spend the time to see if they could handle the financial burden or not and didn't really care because they thought they could just pull out another loan if times got hard. Eventually everyone that wanted a house got one, the housing market slowed down, housing prices starting lowering and people found themselves upside down on their loans. The smart ones got out as quick as they could which caused a chain reaction and the banks starting feeling the pains of taking on so many bad loans. There's much more to it but that's the gist. That's why the worlds economy is in chaos. You see? Everyone's fault. In the US anyway.

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Wow! The economic collapse my fault as much as anyone else's? How would you know what I did or didn't do in the run-up to the collapse? You really have a penchant for gross exageration and stereotyping. Just like when you leap to the assumptions you do based on people claiming to be Occupiers. I'm just a regular person, not necessarily a "credible source." And I know a scam when I see one. Like I said, sit tight. You keep buying that load of crap they're selling you.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

If your goal is to win an argument it's yours. You win.

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

My goal is to try and open your eyes to the facts

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Quoted from your Statement of Autonomy: "We welcome all, who, in good faith, petition for a redress of grievances through non-violence. We provide a forum for peaceful assembly of individuals to engage in participatory democracy. We welcome dissent."

I have not been welcome since I came here. My voice has been suppressed. I am not allowed to speak my dissenting opinions.

http://img168.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=475331683_oppression7_122_1030lo.jpg

At the bottom of the jpg. I quote "take your dissention elsewhere."

http://img237.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=475369147_oppression6_122_199lo.jpg

At the bottom of this jpg. I quote "you are banned."

These are facts.

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Well, you're still here in this thread so you aren't censored after all. Type away all you wish. Please continue to do so. No skin off of my nose.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

It's clear cut. Your group says they welcome dissent. But they don't. In fact they suppress dissent. This isn't a pure cause. There is no nobility here. You've let the romantic ideals of a movement stain your brain and now you can't even see the truth.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

And they deleted my comments. The only thing I said to them was exactly what I just said to you. Does this sound like a group of people that are fighting for everyone's freedoms? I bring up some hypocrisies and they ban me? Sounds like an oppressive regime to me. What do you think? Have I not given you enough evidence to agree that this is hypocritical? Using logic. Without being clouded by the ideals of the OWS movement. Is this hypocritical?

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Based on the facts as you present them, and without having benefit of hearing from those who banned you, I would agree that those who banned you are not acting in the best interests and stated principals of this movement. Those individuals acted in an apparently hypocrical way. That's a qualified "yes" from me.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

OMFG! You are the first to admit it was hypocritical. Someone yesterday admitted it is wrong for any site to ban people for speaking your mind. I'm sorry if I called you a coward, because you aren't. You obviously have the ability to think for yourself and you aren't afraid to defend the truth.

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

I may not agree with what you say, but you do have the right top say it (whatever it may be that you wish to say). Back in November or December we OWS posters had an issue concerning the idea of censorship and banning bots, trolls and the like. I can't recall the name of the thread, but I DO remember that immediately upon reading what was proposed, I spoke out against doing those things. So long as the poster violated none of the rules for posting no attempt should be made to be censored or banned, because we would then be no better than those we would condemn. The discussion continued and it was brought up that we could use the ldislike voting buttons as a way to push things down in the thread. I'm not much for useing the up or down voting, so long as a thread or threads don't become dominated in such a way as to drown out Occupiers "voices." Like the vid link you posted where the man caught someone whith a cheap-shot elbow and saying that represents what Occupy is. NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There are some bad people who've slipped into protests and marches and have done some destructive things. There is a certain violently radical faction within Occupy as well, but they do not speak for me. I believe their numbers are relatively small.

I oppose violence as a tactic, because I oppose violence generally. It will not help further Occupy's message and will only serve to alienate people who may believe in the ideas, but would shy away because of the tactics. We are a young movement - just 6 months and some days old. For our cause to achieve success, we need the support of everyday folks who perhaps see a ray of hope shining out from Occupy. We are going to succeed, because we have to succeed.

PS thank you for you kind apology.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Oh. And if the people of OWS aren't willing to recognize their problems they will never be fixed.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

If your ideas are just and for the betterment of mankind than I hope you succeed. From what I've observed about OWS this couldn't be further from the truth. I've come to this conclusion by reading OWS literature, from videos posted by occupiers on Youtube, having interactions with occupiers and from the story you just told me. It's obvious that the core group of occupiers is increasingly willing to use whatever means necessary in order to achieve their goals. Including distorting the truth, squatting in places they aren't welcome, violating freedoms, harassing/antagonizing law enforcement officials, dramatizing events, censoring harmful evidence and being so overtaken by their need to win they will lie and cheat. This makes them exactly like the people they claim to fight against. If you don't purge your movement from these people and their ideas you will never succeed. Furthermore, the ideas of a revolution need to be concurrent with the ideas of the majority of the population. If they aren't, then the revolution isn't fighting for the people. It's only fighting for those who are active or supporting the revolution. If the motivating force behind a revolution is opposite of those of the majority of the population than you are the enemy of the majority of the population. If people want to be enslaved that's their option. If they are being enslaved without their knowledge the only just intervention is bringing the enslavement to their attention. If they still choose to be enslaved they have a right to do so. If it's someone's natural motivation to fight for the rights of people then they need to figure out what it is that people want. If in your endeavors you think your own ideas are better than those of the general populous and use those ideas as the motivation behind your efforts than you are the enemy of the people. If you expect your enemy to hear your words you should hear their's. The best solution is often a mixture of both party's ideas. That's how communities make positive, meaningful change. Lastly, it's a contradiction to say this land belongs to no one and then put up fences. OWS does this in both a figurative and literal way.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I take that back. This is the only OWS domain where I am allowed to express my opinions. I was just banned from the other OWS FB.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

You're right. I'm only allowed in two OWS domains. Even on this site I'm not allowed to express my opinions in the chat room. This is a direct contradiction to the OWS Statement of Autonomy. I want the bans lifted and I want my grievances settled. Until then everyone who considers themselves an occupier and has read my posts and is unwilling to admit that this is hypocritical is a hypocrite themselves. Do you think the actions of OWS are hypocritical?

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

I have to reply here, rather than above as we've used the alloted space there. We're working to solve the problems that sabotage us. Those who have and will infiltrate, posing as Occupiers, do the greatest amount of damage, IMO. Further, we must work within the framework of what exisits, not as we want things to be. A guy once wrote "you can't rollerskate in a buffalo herd." I am an advocate of "being the change we seek in others." But then, I'm old school. All I might do is try to push things in the direction I'd like to see things go. I do that from the inside, not the outside.

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

I see your point. I'll quit posing as an occupier. I won't quit pointing out flaws though. I'm not against OWS. I'm against some of the tactics people in this movement use. Your choice to lead by example is commendable. If everyone in OWS were like you your goals would be easy achieved.

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Thank you. There are many others here of the same mindset as me. Please know that.

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

To answer your question, yes, if you broke none of the rules for posting. Those would be the same rules that all are subject to. We all have the right of free speech, but none of us can cry "Fire!" in a crowded theater. So, for the record, I support your right to free speech.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Apparently you seem to have mistaken this as a place to bitch freely about nonsense. This is a site for - We welcome all, who, in good faith, petition for a redress of grievances through non-violence. We provide a forum for peaceful assembly of individuals to engage in participatory democracy. We welcome dissent - against the corruption on WallStreet and in our government.

This is not a site for supporters of said corruption and greed.

Get a grip. Try to perceive if not live in reality.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

That's not what it says. You are altering content to suit your own needs.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Block Head.

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Here's another fact. You will never agree with me because you are a puppet.

Puppet = one whose acts are controlled by an outside force or influence.

Your brain is being influenced by OWS, if you brain were being influenced by logic you WOULD agree that the actions by OWS are hypocritical.

[-] 0 points by TruthRightsFreedom (259) 2 years ago

OWS is definitely confused, some fakes, certainly a few cowards, but most confused people can be mistaken for cowards. If you have served in the military and will defend the constitution, you should see this and comment on it.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-do-a-soldier-defend-the-constitution-from-a-do/

[-] -3 points by ibanker (-99) 2 years ago

considering the average IQ of the ows crowd, i dont think they should be given the freedom of speech. They abuse that particular freedom

[-] -3 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

We as a people deserve to have our opinions heard. OWS doesn't believe that. By censoring their comments section they are no better than any oppressive regime.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I do not control facebook ows

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

welcome to the press

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

More like welcome to OWS. The bee hive for hypocrites.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

say one thing and do another?

[-] -1 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Hypocrite = a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.

Quoted from your Statement of Autonomy: "We welcome all, who, in good faith, petition for a redress of grievances through non-violence. We provide a forum for peaceful assembly of individuals to engage in participatory democracy. We welcome dissent."

I have not been welcome since I came here. My voice has been suppressed. I am not allowed to speak my dissenting opinions.

http://img168.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=475331683_oppression7_122_1030lo.jpg

At the bottom of the jpg. I quote "take your dissention elsewhere."

http://img237.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=475369147_oppression6_122_199lo.jpg

At the bottom of this jpg. I quote "you are banned."

That's what I mean by hypocritical.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

what is that opinion ?

[-] 0 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

Occupiers are cowards who aren't serving for the betterment of the people. I've come to this conclusion by reading OWS literature, from videos posted by occupiers on Youtube and having interactions with occupiers. It's obvious that the core group of occupiers is increasingly willing to use whatever means necessary in order to achieve their goals. Including distorting the truth, squatting in places they aren't welcome, violating freedoms, harassing/antagonizing law enforcement officials, dramatizing events, censoring harmful evidence and being so overtaken by their need to win they will lie and cheat. This makes them exactly like the people they claim to fight against. If you don't purge your movement from these people and their ideas you will never succeed. Furthermore, the ideas of a revolution need to be concurrent with the ideas of the majority of the population. If they aren't, then the revolution isn't fighting for the people. It's only fighting for those who are active or supporting the revolution. If the motivating force behind a revolution is opposite of those of the majority of the population than you are the enemy of the majority of the population. If people want to be enslaved that's their option. If they are being enslaved without their knowledge the only just intervention is bringing the enslavement to their attention. If they still choose to be enslaved they have a right to do so. If it's someone's natural motivation to fight for the rights of people then they need to figure out what it is that people want. If in your endeavors you think your own ideas are better than those of the general populous and use those ideas as the motivation behind your efforts than you are the enemy of the people. If you expect your enemy to hear your words you should hear their's. The best solution is often a mixture of both party's ideas. That's how communities make positive, meaningful change. Lastly, it's a contradiction to say this land belongs to no one and then put up fences. OWS does this in both a figurative and literal way.

[-] -3 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

We need to start an Occupy the 'Occupy movement' movement. I have had it with all of the occupier wall streeters bothering me on my into work.

[-] -2 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

The pursuit of happiness is a fundamental human right. By causing civil unrest occupiers are violating inherent human rights. People have a right to go to work in a peaceful environment.

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[-] -1 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

Furthermore, with the favorite meeting place for hipsters being coffee shops, they are driving the price of coffee through the roof. Not to mention they are infringing upon our freedom of speech and violating my right to make money however I see fit.

[-] -1 points by ibanker (-99) 2 years ago

freedom of speech of these hippies shud be banned. its freedom of speech not freedom of stupid speech

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 2 years ago

Anyone who spells should,"shud" ,is displaying "stupid speech".

[-] 0 points by ibanker (-99) 2 years ago

yes when you cant argue try n find flaws in the writing. go do some useful work. u hav that student loan to pay off that u took out to pay from some stupid humanities or arts degree.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 2 years ago

No. I think your stupid speech should be protected. Freedom of speech covers stupid speech as well as intelligent speech. Student loan? No. For me it was pay as you go. I would suggest you avoid assumptions about people who post on this site. I'm about a thousand miles from NY and I'm more of a hard science guy than the humanities thing, although those arts and the humanities are worthwhile pursuits imo.

[-] 0 points by ibanker (-99) 2 years ago

That's the problem with freedom of speech. It allows a forum such as this one to exist.

[-] -1 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

Couldn't agree more.

I proposed that maybe we create an Occupy the Occupiers movement, but lets be honest. I have a job and don't have time to play games all day.

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[+] -4 points by ForrFredom (-22) 2 years ago

You don't speak for us. You speak for yourselves. Quit saying "the American public wants blah blah blah." You aren't like me, you aren't like my family, you aren't like my friends and you aren't like anyone I encounter on a daily basis, so please, quit acting like you are any meaningful representation of the general population.