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Forum Post: My Formula for Freedom

Posted 8 years ago on March 11, 2012, 9:15 p.m. EST by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL
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Soldiers Die to defend (=) Freedom as contained in Bill of Rights




NOT (Soldiers Die) = NOT (Freedom as contained in Bill of Rights)

Now logically substituting,


Citizens Die to defend (=) Freedom as contained in Bill of Rights




NOT (Citizens Die) = NOT (Freedom as contained in Bill of Rights)


Citizens do not die, then no Bill of Rights (Patriot Act, NDAA, HR 347, etc.)

Citizens do not die, then no Freedoms (Patriot Act, NDAA, HR347, etc.)

Citizens do not die, then Police State

Citizens do not die, then Dictatorship



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[-] 2 points by Dost (315) 8 years ago

If logic could win battles, then there would be no war. Yours is an exercise in nonsense. Reality always consumes rationality. Most humans are irrational. So appealing to reason is generally useless. Remember, an Imbecile was in the Presidency for eight years and the Press had to pretend he knew what he was doing. Best to deposit something solid through a corporate bank window. The Powers That Be (the Plutocracy) look at OWS with bemusement and sarcasm. They ONLY understand one thing: POWER. You can argue from here to Kingdom Come but it is an puerile exercise just the same. You have to experience stuff before you can grow in wisdom.

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 8 years ago
[-] 1 points by rickMoss (435) 8 years ago

This is cute. but we need a real plan and a new vision for the United States and the world.

How else can I say this? "We Are Free!" - http://WeAreFree.osixs.org www.SaveTheWorldNow.osixs.org

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 8 years ago

I have seen this before on other Forum posts. I have mixed emotions about DD. I am doubtful it can work in the real world. It is a beautiful vision along the lines of Plato's Utopia. But how can a general population that has been (1) dumbed-down for decades, (2) has virtually no understanding of how government operates, (3) can barely comprehend the issues confronting our nation and the world and, (4) can barely get it together to make informed and intelligent voting decisions (not to mention high voter apathy to boot), be expected to have even greater knowledge of, and participate in, DD government decisions?

Bottom line: If they're too busy now being 50-60 hr/week wage slaves, come home exhausted, only to have to raise kids (full-time job in its own right), plop down in front of the Tube to soothe their brain damage by Corporate destruction, go to bed tired and wake up feeling worse, etc, etc... Then how on this earth can they be expected to run our government via DD?

Nice dream, but I think it's implementation to be likely a nightmare.

[-] 1 points by rickMoss (435) 8 years ago

You make some good points. But people don't actually have to run the government. The people are responsible for keeping government in line and accountable. Otherwise government, business, bankers etc. will simply eat us alive. You know, like what's happening today. Only a fool would refuse (DD) more control over his own life and destiny. Yes, the masses are ignorant for the most part but we have to do something. Doing nothing like we've been programmed to do is suicide. Oh and the part where people are too busy working and watching TV. Don't worry about it. They are about to get a rude awakening. Most of the jobs along with the pay is going bye-bye. Without a job people will have plenty of time to pay attention. It will simply become a matter of survival. Today it's more of game. Protesting and sleeping outside.

You think things are bad now. This is a joke compared to what's coming.


OsiXs (Democracy 2.0)

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 8 years ago

Well, we will see I guess. Sounds like you have more faith in the general population than I do. DD could be a beautiful thing. I just think it's too idealistic, as are many of the young people in the movement. On the other hand, without idealistic visionaries we would still be using stone tools and driving ox carts.