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Forum Post: More Lies from the Political Machine

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 10, 2012, 12:41 a.m. EST by DanielBarton (1345)
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Lies that is all that comes from Washington these days from the dawn of time lies have being used to manipulate those who can not see all the facts. I with the help of this author am bringing something to light that most of you should know.

Politicians lie and make promises that they can not keep, sometimes these lies are not big ones sometimes they are massive. Today i found a massive one that disappoints and disgusts me.

President Obama manipulated these people to vote for him based on a lie. he told them that Washington did not care for them and did not want to help them. what he forgot to mention is that " Moreover, he was one of just 14 Senators who voted against -- repeat, AGAINST -- the legislation which included the waiver"

"Why is the date of this speech important? Because, less than two weeks earlier, on May 24, 2007, the United States Senate had in fact voted 80-14 to waive the Stafford Act requirement for New Orleans, as it had waived that requirement for New York and Florida. More federal money was spent rebuilding New Orleans than was spent in New York after 9/11 and in Florida after hurricane Andrew, combined."

Sounds like this man can lie and lie big. This disappoints me to think that one can so blindly allow tolerance for something like this i do not nor do i think anyone should allow this behavior to be acceptable.

link to the article that the quotes are from http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/09/phony_in_chief_115715.html

video of parts of the speech http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9o8z2VPQzw

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[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

People are terrified to realize that all the propaganda being pushed into their heads over a lifetime may in fact have been bullshit.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

I know they play on our fears not on the truth. Its a sad world we live in

[-] 2 points by Shule (2212) 2 years ago

Maybe more money was spent on New Orleans because New Orleans was more damaged.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

thats not the problem i think more money should of been spent on New Orleans since it was badly damaged

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[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Even if this accusation of convoluted statements is true, if this is the biggest "lie" you could get on Obama, I would nominate him for "saint"


willard and lyan ryan tell more lies when they INHALE

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

If you think this is even close to the biggest lie Obama has told, you haven't been watching the NEWS at all today.

THERE WAS NO PROTEST IN BENGHAZI AT ALL-before the attack. NONE. This administration lied and covered up the truth and is NOW blaming the intelligence community for THEIR mistakes.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/10/white-house-defends-initial-reaction-libya-attacks/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

It's all coming undone-on national television.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Anti Obama partisan campaign rhetoric!!

Gimme a break!!

[-] 2 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

no anti political manipulation

As citizens we must point out all the lies that politicians have done and bring them into light. Then we must hold them accountable no matter who or what party they belong to.

did you read this at all

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Yeah I read the article.

It covered the weak attempt by fox news (repub pr firm) to "break" a scandalous 5 year old tape that everyone covered (incl fox) 5 years ago.! The breaking news tape was released a day before the 1st debate.

That in itself is pretty political campaigny. no?

The article repeated the fox news talking point that Obama used a "black accent" as if no politician ever changes their style/accent based on the audience, It also covered the old partisan chestnuts of Jeremia Wright, as well as demeaning the good work of community organizers.

The Author is a well known right wing wacko conservative/libertarian commentator.

So clearly this is just Anti Obama partisan campaign rhetoric.

'sok. You're allowed. You are anti Obama. You ain't alone. I just thought if you can spew this partisan electioneering, I can call it what it is.

That's fair, isn't it? You're not trying to say this is a fair non partisan critique are you.?

No one should believe that this is a fair assessment of Pres Obama. But many will embrace it because they agree with your skewed view.

Peace.

[-] 2 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

If you want something that actually is for OWS and yet was completely ignored because it wasn't political here you go

http://occupywallst.org/forum/question-a-google-vp/

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Enjoy your lunch.

Doesn't change the partisanship of your post.

Republican boy!

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

I will it be nice to be able to talk with one who has a purpose and can actually change how the world works.

how you like to know ive only voted for a one republican and the rest democrats. o no how can i do that i thought i was a good ol boy who likes shooting shit and driving my big old Cummins truck.

Hold the prejudice as long as you like i here for OWS and saving our country from liars and bigots both republican and democrat

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I ain't prejudice against repubs. If you shoot & have a pickup truck that is not relevant.

But it still does not change the partisanship of your post.

Sorry.

[-] 2 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

yeah you are by assuming i am one by posting something that is against obama

get over it i posted something you didnt like i see stuff like that all the time but the fact is he lied in a huge way and the cards fall where they fall

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Please.

That right wing extremist propaganda overshadowed the supposed lie with all the old & moldy anti Obama talking points.

And you the one who posted that anti Obama partisan campaign non sense.

This just in, "a politician lied". LMFAO. "half a decade ago". Aaaaah ha ha ha ha!.

C'mon you gotta be able to find something better than that. How about another lie? Or is that the only lie Pres Obama has ever told.?

How about a more recent/current lie? No? All you got is warmed over 6 year old misspoken statement that was misunderstood?

Didn't he later say he mispoke about that? & apologized. I'm pretty sure.

I'm sure there are other lies you can use. Check the tea party sites. Are you as up to date on Romney lies? NOT!!!

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

Romney has flipped flopped more than a dying fish so to tell you the truth i dont know the truth on all of he says. nor i think any of us will

That was no misspoken statement that was bluntly said to rally against certain branches of government. He knew the repercussions of what he said

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

So Romney lies so much your not gonna mention any? Riiiiiiiight!

Anyway, I'm pretty sure Pres Obama has corrected that misspoken quote and apologized. But that was almost 6 years ago.

Got anything real? Maybe something from this decade?

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

From this decade? How about this WEEK? How about TODAY???

http://washingtonexaminer.com/morning-examiner-house-hearing-on-benghazi-already-getting-answers/article/2510314#.UHX6Pq7y3wc

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/09/on-eve-of-house-hearings-state-department-finally-admits-no-there-was-never-any-protest-outside-the-benghazi-consulate-before-the-attack/

http://times247.com/articles/11libya-hearing-exposes-white-house-shell-game9

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/white-house-blames-intelligence-agencies-for-benghazi-confusion/

FACT- THERE WAS NOT A PROTEST AT ALL in Benghazi that day AND it had NOTHING to do with the VIDEO AT ALL!

FACT-the current President of the United States stood in front of the WORLD at the UN and blamed the entire episode on that VIDEO-which had NOTHING to do with the coordinated and heavy artillery attack.

FACT-not ONE media reporter will ask the question-Where did the attackers get the WEAPONS that were used in the attack?

FACT-the White House held a SUDDENLY arranged conference call with the press LAST NIGHT before the hearings started today so they could CHANGE their story.

FACT-This Administration has been lying to the American people for weeks

FACT-and there's not ONE thread about it on this entire website!

Why? I thought OWS and this website were ALL ABOUT uncovering corruption and fighting lies and making sure the 99% know what the TRUTH is.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I recall the admin saying justdays after the attack that it was a terrorist attack.

I don't know what you're talkin about. I mean obviously you are anti Obama partisan so you're not gonna be fair.

In any event the admin has been pretty forthcoming all along. any discrepancies are trivial.

The important thing I think today is that we found out repubs have cut funding for embassy defense.

Is that an issue?

[-] 2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

ROFL!!! I didn't say anything, anywhere about "terrorist/terrorism". That wasn't the point. Read the big words too.

“That is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity.”

— Obama, speech to the U.N. General Assembly, Sept. 25

TWO WEEKS after the attack-was STILL saying it was because of the video.

It wasn't until LAST NIGHT-knowing the *&&% was going to hit the fan that the White House admitted there was no protest-no mob-no video outrage at all.

As far as your partisan fairness goes-

SHOW me the legislation that "cut funding for embassy defense"!!

A) NOTHING was ever legislated about cuts being made SPECIFICALLY to "embassy defense" B) if ANY cuts made it past the House-then they had to have DEMOCRAT APPROVAL,
C) Tell me how much cheaper it is to pull US troops out of the middle east (so you can placate your voter base) and then HIRE 20,000 PRIVATE CONTRACTORS to be your "army" so that the voters won't know how many trained killers are working for you!

THEN you can attempt to explain to me how you IGNORE repeated requests for more protection and reinforced buildings from the very YOU appointed, who are scared to death for their lives, because you think that all the soldiers and barbed wire might make the locals think you aren't all warm and fuzzy and peace-loving after all.

Either this administration is the most inept, most uninformed, most immature and in-denial in the history of this world, or they are just all out liars and traitors like all the rest.

You just keep trying to knit it all back together as it comes undone...good luck with that.

[-] 2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

Response to VQ below:

If the White House had made it clear that there was no protest sparked by a video in Benghazi-why on earth did they need to have a last minute conference call with the press? To ADMIT they had already ADMITTED IT at the UN??? Please.

All of our other "diplomats" in that area were either GONE or secured on Sept 11th because any idiot with a calendar knows it's not a safe place to be on that date. Except for Ambassador Stevens and a handful of other expendables....why was that exactly?

So you would HONOR these brave Americans who were brutally assassinated by "putting off justice" until after the election? You would shove their deaths in the line of service off the stage because it might DISTRACT from the IMAGE of this administration? Yeah..spin spin spin spider.

Like the "murder" of Bin Laden isn't one of the ONLY things Obama can and DOES brag about repeatedly? please. Obama's campaign LIED about the death of a woman who had cancer! And Obama can't even be bothered to personally write or SIGN letters of condolence to the families of our dead military men and women.

If Romney's speech, which HONORED a slain "diplomat" offended that diplomats mother, I hope he stops. (update-I read that he HAS agreed not to mention him again) Question is, will Obama continue to denigrate their deaths by lying about why they had to die at all?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The quote from his UN speech was not a lie. Sorry.

We have cut merc use and will cut them further (repubs would never do that)

We cannot prevent this kind of attack. Our diplomats are very brave and know the risk. They believe in peace, & their mission and we honor them.

Well most of us honor them.

Some of us (repubs) use their sacrifice for political ends! Commitee hearings 4 weeks before an election. Repubs have no honor.

Some of us name drop one of the murdered diplomats in their campaign stump speech (Romney) until his mother insists it be stopped.

No honor!

"In the end have you no shame?"

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The 08 campaign, as it turned out, has been almost nothing but lies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Silly. putting a banner under a speech is not proof of a lie. You knowthat right?

Do you have a specific lie you believe he told? I'm interested.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You think this administration has been open?

It would be him like him stating the sky is purple. We dont need a detailed analysis of atmospheric particles to know its a lie.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I think this admin has been more open than past Admins, & I think he has met the promise he made in that regard.

Campaign promises are a dime a dozen, I don't hold him to every campaign promise. That's naive. Sorry.

But yes this Admin has been more transparent. You disagree? Surprise surprise. LOL.

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 2 years ago

I hope for your sake that DanielBarton isn't black or Shooz will be pissed you called him "boy"

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

haha!

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

nothing wrong with calling out racism wherever it is. I would support Shooz efforts in that regard probably, & I should say that YOU certainly do not speak for Shooz right?

Don't know what color,gender,religion, political persuasion anyone is. So the boy comment has nothing to with any of that.

Where you caught spreading racist comments Hank?

[-] 1 points by marvelpym (-184) 2 years ago

Nope, but I never could get Shooz to condemn the treatment Mia Love received, or Stacey Dash, for that matter. Support him at your own peril. I think he's hiding something.

Not all people are racists, but all racists are people.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

LOL. Very funny. I can agree with that!

Mia Love was treated horribly I condemn it, and I think Shooz probably does to (again you don't speak for Shooz)

My only conversation here was regarding who might have done it. I felt it was a racist repub in her city that didn't want a black mayor.

The person I spoke with suggested it was a liberal jew but offered no motive.

Was it you I discussed it with Hank?

[-] -1 points by marvelpym (-184) 2 years ago

Maybe. I have a few screenames so it's hard to keep track. You know how that is ;)

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

LOL. I use only one screenname to comment.

[-] -1 points by alva (-442) 2 years ago

did you ever call my doctors as you theatened to do?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I never threatened you in any way. That is a bald faced lie! You need to take that back because I am not here to threaten people.

[-] 0 points by alva (-442) 2 years ago

you wanted the names ( i gave them to you ) the addresses ( i didnt give that) and their phone numbers, i gave you their numbers. you wanted that info to call them to check if i was telling the truth. you " dared " me to give you the info. so, you're a coward ( i always knew you were).

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

But I did not threaten you. And calling me a coward is clearly a reflection of your vacant position.

Why can't you discuss something in a civil respectful manner?

What is your major malfunction that prevents you from treating people with a minimum of decency?

Are your opinions/arguments so weak they can't stand up in the marketplace of ideas without the schoolyard bullying you ALWAYS resort to?

So you made a false accusation. I did not threaten you. You should take it back if you have any decency.

[-] 1 points by alva (-442) 2 years ago

you asked for information to check out if i was telling the truth . you " dared" ( your word not mine) me to give the info to you. i did, you havent. you're a coward.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

But I did not threaten you. And calling me a coward is clearly a reflection of your vacant position.

Why can't you discuss something in a civil respectful manner?

What is your major malfunction that prevents you from treating people with a minimum of decency?

Are your opinions/arguments so weak they can't stand up in the marketplace of ideas without the schoolyard bullying you ALWAYS resort to?

So you made a false accusation. I did not threaten you. You should take it back if you have any decency.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

I don't care about the accent i care about the lie. honestly to care about the accent is a stupid point.

I wanted to like Obama i really did and i still like the man on some of his ideas. i just dont like how he thinks the American people are pawns and that he can bluntly lie to us.

I didn't get this from fox news i got it from realclear I don't listen or watch fox news ever.

It is also from Thomas Sowell. A man who has never worked for fox news. Also to call a man a wacko for not liking someone is insane. He is far from being right wing he is more likely to be a libertarian but honestly i cant see it. So i would say he is a moderately right without a party.

I wouldn't say this is partisan but i would say that it is anti obama in the fact it points to a lie he said. Is it any different than anything posted on this forum not at all

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Sowell IS right wing. His repeating of the old meaningless partisan chestnuts of Rev Wright, and Community Org, as well his others writing make him a right wing partisan wacko.

Everything in his article (the article YOU posted) is right out of the FOX news playbook.

The Lie you allege is questionable. It is from 5 years ago. It is meaningless. It is a stretch. He lied about a rule on whether New Orleans citizens had to pay for whaaaaaat?

Please. This is just more anti Obama partisan campaign rhetoric.

And the fact that you would post such a slanted, partisan attack from 5 years ago is silly and obviously reflects your own partisanship.

Whatever.

Good luck in all your good efforts.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

well to bad for it being out of the play book since i dont watch it i wouldn't know.

I belong to no party since in my state we dont have to belong to one which is great really makes people vote across the board.

the lie is clear as day he voted against giving them money look it up in the congress records they save everything but ill save you some time

http://dpc.senate.gov/dpcdoc.cfm?doc_name=lb-110-1-46 the bill purposed

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2007-05-24/pdf/CREC-2007-05-24-pt1-PgS6823-2.pdf#page= 1 middle column 1/2 of the way down in the nay voting

i have the evidence in question

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

It's old & meaningless.

You chose the partisan article! I don't what you are butyou hve posted this anti Obama partisan campaign attack.

So there!

[-] -1 points by alva (-442) 2 years ago

betsy states the truth. what you and barry have in common is an avoidance of the truth.

[-] 2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

http://washingtonexaminer.com/morning-examiner-house-hearing-on-benghazi-already-getting-answers/article/2510314#.UHX6Pq7y3wc

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/09/on-eve-of-house-hearings-state-department-finally-admits-no-there-was-never-any-protest-outside-the-benghazi-consulate-before-the-attack/

http://times247.com/articles/11libya-hearing-exposes-white-house-shell-game9

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/white-house-blames-intelligence-agencies-for-benghazi-confusion/

FACT- THERE WAS NOT A PROTEST AT ALL in Benghazi that day AND it had NOTHING to do with the VIDEO AT ALL!

FACT-the current President of the United States stood in front of the WORLD at the UN and blamed the entire episode on that VIDEO-which had NOTHING to do with the coordinated and heavy artillery attack.

FACT-not ONE media reporter will ask the question-Where did the attackers get the WEAPONS that were used in the attack?

FACT-the White House held a SUDDENLY arranged conference call with the press LAST NIGHT before the hearings started today so they could CHANGE their story.

FACT-This Administration has been lying to the American people for weeks

FACT-and there's not ONE thread about it on this entire website!

Why? I thought OWS and this website were ALL ABOUT uncovering corruption and fighting lies and making sure the 99% know what the TRUTH is.

The silence on this forum is deafening.

[-] 0 points by alva (-442) 2 years ago

the silence is deafening because they cant deal with the fact obama & co. are one huge fraud.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

Between this and the last debate and who knows what Biden will toss out there tomorrow night....I hope they've found a good string quartet to play while the passengers abandon the sinking ship...

[-] 0 points by alva (-442) 2 years ago

the msm is either stupid or in denial. OR a combination of both. OR they are arm and arm with this corrupt administration.their agenda ws to put barry in the white house. they knew what he was and what he is.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I disagree.

[-] 2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

Of course you do! We expect you to disagree. In fact, we've got a pool going that's banking on it.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Good luck to you in all your good efforts.

[-] -1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

And how does this convoluted mess compare to the bush-cheney-rove lie that resulted in more than 100,000 dead people ?