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Forum Post: Mercury poisoning another benefit from Fossil fuel.

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 23, 2012, 1:33 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN
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No two ways about it, mercury is bad. It's a powerful neurotoxin that can cause incredible brain damage in people -- especially children and expectant mothers. That's why the Mercury and Air Toxics Standards rule that limits power plants' mercury pollution passed last year is so important.

But, of course, the polluter lobby and their friends in Congress are already working to roll it back »

Dirty energy's best friend Oklahoma Senator James Inhofe has already filed a Congressional Review Act. If passed it would not only kill this life-saving rule, but it would make it impossible for the EPA to issue another such rule.

It took 20 years to get this mercury rule passed. That's 20 years that our children had to grow up breathing in toxic air. A vote in support of rolling this rule back is essentially a vote for our children and their children to breathe in brain damaging chemicals, with no chance of breaking the cycle.

Some people in Congress may think a few votes and campaign contributions from dirty energy producers are worth that. Tell them you disagree. Urge your members of Congress to not delay regulations that protect the air we breathe. »

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Additional Green energy support. Real working technology today.

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600

Combine the Hopewell project: http://www.hopewellproject.org/

WITH:

I'll give ya a bump and raise you an E CAT and an LFTR.

http://ecat.com/

Sorry, I have miss quoted this as LFNR. the T stands for thorium. It's a "clean fission" option.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1 - This was in reference to clean fusion generators. Thanks again shooz.


See Also:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/get-active-be-proactive-unite-in-common-cause/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-back-door-crime-by-keystone-and-local-governm/

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[-] 4 points by Marlow (1141) 2 years ago

..#ows ..Success! Signed and Sent out!

TY for your efforts.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you for taking part and being a part of OWS, Occupy, 99% success. Your efforts help spread the word too.

[-] 3 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Here is an idea.

They say they are opposing this for two reasons. The cost to upgrade to the newer technology will raise rates for low income residents where there are older power plants.. They also claim that some power plants will go out of business because of the expense of the clean air technology. Why not find the clean air technology for these power plants?

We blew over $500 million on Solyndra and billions more on other failed green jobs projects, why not fund upgrading our current infrastructure?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Mostly because power corporations have made trillions in profit and failed to do this themselves.

Care to explain why that is?

[-] 2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

I sometimes wonder if all electric power should be considered infrastructure and be maintained by the government like roads are.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You want to nationalize it now, after they let grid fall into disrepair?

After they've sucked the nth degree of profit from it and put as little back into it as they could get away with?

(R)epelican'ts in my State have destroyed the roads too.

It's what they do.

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

You are probably right. It may be better off in the hands of private sector. Over the past two decades the Democrats in NJ have raided the transportation fund and there is nothing left for transportation.

At least in the private sector they have to use the money for what it is intended or they go out of business.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They use the money for profits.

Trillions and trillions in profits over 100 years.

What part of "they've let the grid fall into disrepair" are missing?

[-] 2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

I give up, are you for or against nationalizing electric power?

When I propose the idea you talk out against it as a bad idea. You made some valid points on how the government does not maintain the roads. When I agree and say it may be better in private hands you speak against that.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Good. It's about time you gave up.

You're not very good at complicated issues.

I think the privately owned utilities should be "forced", by whatever means is effective, to improve and rebuild the grid at their own profit loss.

That should include the kleptomaniac mobsters on WallStreet, that "invest" in them.

Please note the trillions they've confiscated from the public, in pure profit, in those 100 years.

[-] 2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Ah... I understand now. That is different. That is halfway between socialism and capitalism.

It remains in private hands but companies are forced by whatever means is effective to improve and rebuild the grid. That is called fascism and is a viable option.

Of course the folks in the Appalachians will pay more for their electricity unless you fully implement fascism where the government sets the price per kilowatt hour as well.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's reverse fascism. Fascism, is what we do now by letting them tell the government how to rule over them.

What would you suggest we do to get them to upgrade and secure the grid?

It becomes more vulnerable every day, and they are doing little to improve it. Aren't you among those people that say constant improvement in the product is necessary to good business?

Isn't this the one business that really is TOO BIG to fail?

Banks be damned, I want to be able to turn the lights on.

Yet it is conducting it's business towards a physical failure.

It's improving it's profits, much faster than it's improving delivery.

In the end, if it does fail, who do you think they're going to ask to help them fix it?

Keep in mind, that due to "market conditions", the sudden demand for materials will cause costs to skyrocket, while a smooth, well planned upgrade would prevent this type of spike..

Hey, what do I know. Maybe they're waiting for the grids vulnerability to become a National Security issue, then they get the deniablity to blame it on the government, and we get to pay for it anyway, and they get to keep their profit margins.

That would be their win win situation.

Does that really sound that good to you?

[-] 3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

no, what joe said was the fact. That would indeed be fascism.

Let me clear something up. We pay for the towers, we pay for the grid, the entire infrastructure is paid for by us directly or by 100% tax deduction. We pay the utility company to use the very resources we have already paid for. This applies to energy, communications, water, sewer, sanitation, ect... All of it. So every argument you hear or bill you see that utilizes the idea that they somehow need to charge you for those things, it's bullshit. They charge us for the equipment we already paid for, then add a tax that pays for the deduction for the equipment. The tax on your bill is what is actually paying for the equipment, not them, but they charge you for it all the same.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Don't you see. They're both true.

That's so because we ARE fascists.

Everything else you said supports that.

The rest of what I said is also true and you didn't really address any of it.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

I wasn't really taking sides, but yeah, we are dangerously close to it.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

We're not close. We ARE, and have been for quite a while.

It's just becoming more blatant.

[-] 2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

How many times has you power gone out in the past 20 years, not counting hurricanes, ice storms, tornadoes and the like?

And by the way that is not reverse fascism. Fascism is exactly that. As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power.

Where socialism involves totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism seeks that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalizes property explicitly, fascism does so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”

Fascism embodied corporatism, in which political representation was based on trade and industry rather than on geography.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I've answered the fascism thing above.

You on the other hand, completely ignored everything else I said.

Fixated much?

[-] 1 points by Bullmooseparty (21) from West Orange, NJ 2 years ago

Well they cannot let it fail. They have to keep it up and running or else people would have lawsuits against them.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

One strong direct hit from a solar flair, and much of it will go down.

They know how to prevent the worst of that damage, yet they have not done so.

Their profits have risen almost every year of those 100+.

That was understandable in the early days as the system was expanding, although they did receive help from the government for most of the final expansions.

The system is more fragile than you realize. Doesn't it follow that their profits should have been just as fragile?

For the most part, they still hang the wires on toothpics under the trees and when the wind blows, they fall down. Does that really look like 100yrs of progress? Because that's pretty much what they did with 'em 100 years ago. The trunk lines, are indeed stronger today, but the final miles are basically unchanged.

Yet they too are vulnerable to flairs, hard enough weather, or out and out malfeasance.

Law suits Smaw suits, they don't care. They've made trillions.

If the system does take a big hit, who do you think they're going to turn to, to help them fix it?

[-] -3 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

how have the republicans destroyed the roads in your state?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Where have you been for the last couple of decades?

That's what they do.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

what state do you live in?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Why are you answering a question, with a question?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I don't have a problem with the roads in San Diego

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'm happy for you. At least Arnold took care of something........:)

Up here we freeze in the winter and bake in the summer, and the roads are a mess.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

never had a problem

long before arny

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

YOU said the republicans destroyed the roads in your state. a natural response to your statement would be,................what state do you live in?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

One Mr. Engler, let the roads and bridges fall into disrepair, dismantled the tax base, released 1,000s from State hospitals, strangled the public schools, and then went on to be Mr. Bush's Czar of domestic manufacturing, and watched over the mass exodus of manufacturing jobs...........We have yet to recover.

Teabaggers, did raise my taxes, to offset another corporate tax break, though.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

engler did a great job in michigan. www.state.mi.us/migov/gov/Archives/taxstatement.html

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I don't give a crap what that says. I live here.

I know what he did.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

did you read it?he did very well for your state.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Actually, he was a fucked up asshole.

That left the State a mess.

Get that through your head.

I get so sick of people that repeat themselves endlessly.

Engeler, mostly road on Clinton's coat tails.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

clinton was a democrat, engler, republican, he did not ride in on clinton coat tails. if anything , engler was elected despite clinton, not because of him. that's " rode" not "road".

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

What part of, "I live here" are you missing?

I know people who's families were personally screwed, when he closed the hospitals.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

did you read the link? he did a great job for michigan.

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

No it was the Illuminati and the Free Masons that destroyed the roads.

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

Oh. O.K. are you sure it wasn't ( blame everything on ) the koch brothers?

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

They are Free Masons and the leaders of the Illuminati.

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

yes, you're right, i remember reading about that in the Onion.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Publicly owned infra-structure should be funded for refit or replacement.

Multi-Billion dollar per quarter profits - Fossil Fuel industry needs to do this themselves. They also need to lose the subsidies they were given to use expressly for this purpose.

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

So we should end subsidies for green energy as well, correct?

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

No, we should have a Manhattan project devoted to clean and domestically produced energy. But we should devote our efforts to technologies that will actually solve the problem, like thorium reactors, butanol from gasification, etc.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Pull your head out Joe. You are a very accomplished troll. You try to seem so reasonable, you try to seem so level headed. You seem to push for practical solutions, but you always stumble and end up giving your self away.

I mean - REALLY? :

1 points by JoeTheFarmer (1488) 8 minutes ago

So we should end subsidies for green energy as well, correct? ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

A troll is a person who makes inflammatory off topic posts with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

How is my question off topic or inflammatory? I believe it is on topic and legitimate.

You said do not want subsidies for making privately owned power plants cleaner so people who live near them will have cleaner air. My question is should we also end subsidies for private green energy companies working in solar, wind, ethanol, and others?

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Spin at work.

This is what separates you from most trolls. You do a fair job of twisting words and comments. You do a fair job at seeming to be reasonable. At seeming to want to support positive action. But it is what it is - ONLY SEEMING.


My comment : 2 points by DKAtoday (3503) from Coon Rapids, MN 50 minutes ago

Publicly owned infra-structure should be funded for refit or replacement.

Multi-Billion dollar per quarter profits - Fossil Fuel industry needs to do this themselves. They also need to lose the subsidies they were given to use expressly for this purpose. ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink

Your rejoinder:1 points by JoeTheFarmer (1488) 26 minutes ago

So we should end subsidies for green energy as well, correct? ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink


Where in my statement does it even suggest that green power development should be kicked to the curb.


Try harder Joe. You may fool many but not all.

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

And to be clear on something.

I do think we should subsidize some of these plants that are privately owned. Most of them are in poor Appalachian states where there is a lot of coal like West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee.

I think it is also important to look for alternate sources of energy in these areas. In the mean time if we can quickly retrofit these plants with new technology that would reduce SO2 and mercury output it is a worthy investment.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Reasonableness while you spin.

See! That is why the powers that be love you joe.

Work that propaganda joe. Work it!

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

I am a little confused by your comments.

Explain what the spin is. What was twisted? Please be precise in you explanation so I can understand your meaning.

Oh, Also explain who "the powers that be" are.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

joe joe joe this is really getting pathetic redjoe just pulled that old chestnut out of the fire.

You vote for each other don't you bother to talk and strategize?

Mystified questioning, again - you really need to pull something fresh out of your tactics manual.

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

What was twisted? You simply cannot answer that can you.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

In the interest of saving time - joethered:

1 points by DKAtoday (3503) from Coon Rapids, MN 0 minutes ago

How many identities do you try to run here joethered? This stuff is exactly the same from post to post to post. Do you seriously think that no one pays attention?

Learn a new trick.

[-] -2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

What was twisted? You simply cannot answer that can you?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Your so funny.

Your charector would be great in a Star-Wars spoof.

Yep I can see it now: Puke........ Puke.. give in to your troll side Puke. Puke I am your father.

[-] -1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

You cannot answer because nothing was twisted.

Case closed.

Book'em Danno

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Blah blah blah.

Learn some new tricks.

[-] -1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

What a loser. You post and post but say absolutely nothing.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Don't have anything more to say to you joeposer.

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (1488) 0 minutes ago

See,

You still say nothing! ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

You never said anything anyway so that is fine with me.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You wish joetheposer.

1 points by JoeTheFarmer (1488) 2 minutes ago

What a loser. You post and post but say absolutely nothing. ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] -2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

See,

You still say nothing!

[-] -1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

I did not intend to twist anything. If I am guilty of anything it is not being clear in what I mean. I will try again.

You said you do not want to subsidize the clean air technology for power plants that may go out of business that are not "Publicly owned infra-structure"

My response is, does that mean we should end subsidies for green energy projects that are not "Publicly owned infra-structure"

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

yes

those subsidies should be going into government green energy plants

energy provides a common good and general welfare to the people

[-] -1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

What is a government green energy plant? The subsidies have been going to private sector green energy companies. Often the money is squandered or disappears and it seems nobody is held accountable,

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I was thinking of electricity

electricity should be provide for the general welfare of the public

"green" is the term meaning low pollution electrical plant

[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

That's a very interesting comment Matt because actually it's illegal to not have electricity ( and other utilities) in most, if not all homes. A coworker of mine years ago got fired from the museum where we were working because he was a naturalist and did not want to hook up to the grid. When VA Power realized that he was not subscribing to their utility, they notified the police, the police and health dept. warned him and then they arrested him. Because our museum was state funded, he was fired.
I also inquired about not having electricity and was told that I cannot live in a home without it because it's against health code. So, if it's being forced upon us ' for our good health and the health of our communities' then perhaps it should be provided since we have no choice in the matter. At the very least, they should lower the rates.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

a likely story

[-] -1 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

In other words, every one should have to pay for something, including the people who don't use it, such as the Amish and people living on Indian reservations.

Just out of curiosity, how long after electricity was discovered did it become a right?

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

Um...Juan? They do have electricity on the reservations in America and yes it is used often and at times excessively.

[-] -1 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

Some reservations do, sure. It is beside the point. The point is, if someone does not want electricity, they should not have to pay for it. Roads are funded by people paying fuel tax. This keeps people who don't drive from paying for roads they don't use. As many things as possible should be this way.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

Actually there's a bit more to funding highways than you appear to believe...

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Hey! Knock that off. Don't you dare let the facts get in the way! :D

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

I never said it is done this way completely, I said it should be. And you never answered my question, Which is, how long after electricity was discovered did it become a right?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

no.

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

No what? You mean electricity is not a right? I agree.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That sounds more like military contract spending then it does anything else. Green energy investment has reduced our need for fossil fuel enough that we have a surplus and it is being exported.

Green energy is the most important government investment besides public education.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

public health

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

OK I agree that Public health should be 1st in importance because it encompasses the environment, medicine, energy, education, income, inflation and on and on. If looked at in the proper perspective.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

nods

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Maybe you replied to the wrong comment because your post does not answer my question to Matt which was.

"What is a government green energy plant?"

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I think you understand well enough even if it was not stated as well as it could have been. Government investment in green technology - Wind - Solar - Geothermal - Hydrogen - Thorium - Nickel fusion. All things that will continue to reduce our dependence on Fossil Fuel and will one day end our need for fossil fuel.

I believe you already understand this and are just being contentious.

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Actually there is a big difference between a government green energy plant and investment in "green energy"

The problem is that it is really politicians giving money to their friends. Billions were spent (wasted) funding Ethanol. The truth is that it takes more BTUs of energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than what you get out of it. It is a loosing proposition but it brought money back to the corn states. After 20 years they are finally stopping it. What did they do to make it look OK? They had the US Navy repeatedly spend about $12 million to purchase 450,000 gallons at about $26.75 per gallon

There is no reason that we should not let private companies invest in green energy put an end to politicians giving money to their friends. Every politicians has friends and relatives starting green energy companies and squandering the money they are given. Nancy Pelosi's brother-in-law is given $737m of taxpayers' money to build giant solar power plant. Then there was the $800 million to Solyndra who built a lavish office space, spent all the money, went bankrupt, and left taxpayers with the bill. SunPower did the same with $1.2 billion of our money.

These crooks hide behind "green energy" because it "sounds good". How could a green energy company be bad? Private investors would never squander money the way our government does. It is criminal.

Wind Power is a boondoggle too. To get the power of one power plant on 60 acres you would have to place wind turbines 200 ft apart covering the entire state of Rhode Island. Can you say UGLY?

Why not let private companies invest in energy that makes sense like geothermal, natural gas, hydro, and sensible solar. They would not throw money around like the US government.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That is part of the deal about getting money out of politics. No cause for conflict of interest if those who approve expenditure do not own stocks or have property near to a project or if earmarks are ended. This also goes to OSTA one subject at a time legislation. The government should continue in investing in green tech. It just needs to be properly overseen. I've seen wind farms on Farmland. Owned by a co-op. The fields were growing crops and producing electricity. Wind and solar are not the only green technologies available though they are the most well known to the general public.

[-] 2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Wind is OK but to me it is not practical for the unsightliness and noise of the turbines. I went back to visit one of my favorite wilderness parks in the Alleghenies and the mountain tops were covered with them. It was really sad because the purity and serenity of the place was destroyed.

Geothermal and Hydro are the most efficient. The heat of the earth will last billions of years and the power of water is undeniable. Geothermal is under ground and water power is hidden as well. There are other options however I think encouragement of private investment is the way to go. The government can't seem to do anything right. They have been in charge of public schools, transportation, postal service, and anything else they touch. They either provide poor services or over pay for everything.

[-] 1 points by Breadwinner (33) 2 years ago

Absolutly we should. The private sector is the only place that they will succeed. The more government gets itself involved with it, the longer it going to take to achieve any results and those types of companies are going to be less successful (example: Solyndra).

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

Funny how REA has worked for over 50 years...might want to check into it.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Are you related to joetheplumber? are you related to redjazz?

Spin spin spin away joe.

[-] -1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Why are you not answering the question.

Why do you chose to inflame, distract, and jump off topic.

Internet Troll - Noun : a person who makes inflammatory off topic posts with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sorry joe ( "NOT" ) there is no question to answer, it was answered before you asked and then again after your 1st twisted comment.

Spin and Twist joe spin and twist the powers that be love you.

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Does that mean we should end subsidies for green energy projects that are not "Publicly owned infra-structure"?

I would call that a question.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Already answered redjoe. Find another dead horse to beat.

I'm saddened to see your falling back on the overused troll tactic of asking for an answer to a question already answered.

So old and lame so many posts ago. I thought you were better than that. Look into your tactics advisory manual for something new.

[-] -2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

I cannot seem to find you answer so just for me, answer yes or no in a reply to this post without any other rhetoric.

Does that mean we should end subsidies for green energy projects that are not "Publicly owned infra-structure"?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

How many identities do you try to run here joethered? This stuff is exactly the same from post to post to post. Do you seriously think that no one pays attention?

Learn a new trick.

[-] -2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Was that a yes or a no?

[-] 2 points by RayLansing (99) 2 years ago

You have my full support for pushing this agenda.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you please spread the word far and wide.

We will only get there - TOGETHER - in full throat-ed public Demand.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

DKA did a TKO!!! Way to go!

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Huh?

Who?

Me?

A TKO.

Is that good?

Hi GirlFriday thanks for stopping in. Are you having a good day?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

That's great! Yep. Its a great day. You?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Me? Yes & No. I've been bitch slapping trolls most of the day. So it was fun but not very productive.

You think I done good on this one?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yep. Answering what you have already answered is silly.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Do you worry about mercury in the drinking water from 230 million CFL lamps?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Not till now . . . no.

I am much more concerned with the coal burning spread of mercury. Though all mercury contamination needs to be addressed. The coal burning kind is very wide spread while misuse of light bulbs is currently much more isolated. They are both very bad and very dangerous. But for now this post is on fossil fuel pollution and clean-up.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

What about more nuclear power?

No mercury, no global warming, no deaths from wind turbines, no eco-damage from dammed rivers, they produce electricity when there is no wind or sun, and they can be located close to the point of use.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I Troll I troll it's off to troll I go. 1 points by 1sealyon (258) 1 minute ago

Are you related to redjoe and joered? I think they are both related to joetheplumber. Remember him? I just went through this same merry-go-round with Him (?) Them (?) You?

Excuse me its hard to keep you trolls (?) straight and difficult to think that there is more than one of you. I mean its the same playbook and the same tactics time after time after time. Sometimes verbatim. That means word for word.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

When ingested mercury is a far more potent toxin then when it is inhaled. The risk from ground water contaminated by land-filled CFLs is greater than from exhausted FF plants equipped with modern scrubbers.

A more robust supply of electricity would make CFL lamps less necessary. If electricity were cheap it would also foster growth in other areas like electric cars and home heating. 35% of homes in the US still heat with oil.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Also air borne mercury does not stay in the air, It disperses far and wide in the air, but then it comes back down to earth. There it covers the land and goes into our surface water immediately while also trickling down to our ground water. The land contamination also goes into the food chain - plant and animal.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Agreed, but the reason land-fill mercury is so deadly is that it is concentrated in one spot, while the mercury from stacks is dispersed. If you are unlucky enough to draw your water (or irrigate your crops) from an aquifer near the landfill you get a high dose.

Same problem with eating large fish. You get a big dose because it's concentrated through the entire food chain.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

And more and more coal is being burned around the world, and not as cleanly as it could either.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Coal is a mess. Almost 20,000 people a year (mostly in China) die extracting and processing coal. It is not a very concentrated source of energy so it takes a lot of effort getting out of the ground and to the power plant.

What makes it attractive is that it's cheap and easy to get at.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Easy to get at?

Tell that to the miners. Some of whom were just killed by their company who bypassed all kinds of safety regulations to make it even cheaper ( for them ).

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Three words: Mountain Top Removal.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Oh yeah.

We love that one for the environment.

What?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Well, the process is a lot safer for the miners, and I guess that we can always use another golf course nestled in the West Virginia hills.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

] 2 points by 1sealyon (258) 16 minutes ago

Agreed.

Are you a fracking fan? ↥like ↧dislike permalink


Hell no!

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

You have to admit it is all-around a lot cleaner than coal. It is available now, it's domestic, and we should be able to properly regulate the process to avoid a lot of environmental damage.

Everything has some impact we just have the pick the best all around solutions and do it right.

This is America. Land of the great problem solvers. We should be able to do this.

I once worked with a guy that grew up in Lithuania during the cold war. He told me that they had an expression there for a task or problem that was too tough to overcome. They would say that the thing was so difficult " Even Americans could not do it".

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

In answer to : 1 points by 1sealyon (258) 3 minutes ago

You have to admit it is all-around a lot cleaner than coal. It is available now, it's domestic, and we should be able to properly regulate the process to avoid a lot of environmental damage.

Everything has some impact we just have the pick the best all around solutions and do it right.

This is America. Land of the great problem solvers. We should be able to do this.

I once worked with a guy that grew up in Lithuania during the cold war. He told me that they had an expression there for a task or problem that was too tough to overcome. They would say that the thing was so difficult " Even Americans could not do it". ↥like ↧dislike permalink


Natural gas is cleaner. But the current fracking process is poisonous. It is also done in areas of seismic instability. What is called lubricating a fault.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No I don't think we need to reduce wildlife habitat any faster then we already are.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Agreed.

Are you a fracking fan?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I believe CFL's should be banned.

I believe that all fluorescent lighting should be banned.

Besides mercury they are also a source of ultra-violet light.

Besides mercury and ultra-violet light their light cycle flicker rate ( most noted in tubes ) can cause migraines.

Besides mercury and ultra-violet light and their migraine causing flicker rate they are also known to trigger epileptic seizures.

I believe that we should be switching over to the use of LED ( light emitting diode ) lighting which besides being clean light is also a 92% efficient technology. This in itself would be a major reduction in the use of electricity.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

I agree.

LED lamps also last a lot longer than both CFLs and incandescents, and they have a low risk of fire and contact burns.

The problem with LED lamps is the cost. It will take a while for them to get traction particularly in the face of low-cost CFL competition. The LED is also not well suited for the lamp form factor. We really need a change in the lighting fixture itself for the LED light source to take off.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Like any new tech. the more that is made the cheaper it becomes to make them. Currently I have a comparative "80W light output" 60W style - 5W (usage) LED light ( for lack of a better word ) Bulb. Yep it cost $42.00 but is also rated for 100,000 hours of use and it has a remote control that allows me to adjust it's brightness and allows me to choose what color I would like it to produce = red, green, blue, yellow, white or smoothly shift through all continuously and a range of pattern as well.

This LED light (for lack of a better word) Bulb will screw into a normal incandescent light fixture.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Lighting in commercial and retail space are early adopters of the LED technology. They can justify the cost by savings on maintenance. Cost to change one ceiling lamp in Macy's: $35, plus the lamp.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Think of the reduction of stress on the fragile power grid. Think of the savings for public lighting. Reliable long lasting safe to touch.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

I'm and LED fan. It just has to be economical.

We are attacking the demand side, but we really have to get serious about supply. Wind mills and solar panels can't be the best answer. I also don't like the do-a-little-of-everything plan. It dilutes our resources. Let's pick the top 3 - 4 alternatives and go.

Energy is the most abundant thing in the universe. It ought to be virtually free.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So we make a concerted effort to use a 5w led light that puts out 80w of illumination. That's a power savings of 16 led's to one incandescent. I think cfl's are only a cost saving's of 5 cfl's to one incandescent.

So we make a concerted effort to change our fuel base. Implement hydrogen fuel cell power plants. We need to shutdown the old coal ones anyway and need to upgrade the newer ones. Lets start switching over. Water vapor exhaust. I think we could live with that.

Don't like Hydrogen, you would like to see nuclear instead or along with? Well then how about cold fusion ( fission? ). Burn nickle and have a waste creation of copper. Half life degradation of radioactivity something like one one-hundredth of current nuclear fuel. 100's of years storage compared to hundreds of thousands of years storage of waste.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

As they say, fusion is the energy source of the future, always has been, always will be.

Hydrogen is an excellent energy source along with being the most abundant element. Heat from nuclear fission is a good way to extract hydrogen from water (also plentiful).

How about fuel cells in cars? That whole effort seems have dropped off the radar.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Nukes? as in bombs? That would be a NO. Nukes as in power plant - Thorium would be better than uranium and plutonium.

ECAT cold fusion ( nickel to copper ) would be best of the choices. http://ecat.com/

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Combine the Hopewell project: http://www.hopewellproject.org/

WITH:

I'll give ya a bump and raise you an E CAT and an LFTR.

http://ecat.com/

Sorry, I have miss quoted this as LFNR. the T stands for thorium. It's a "clean fission" option.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1 - This was in reference to clean fusion generators. Thanks again shooz.



That's as close to a full circle support system for driving energy independence as I have ever seen.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Look into the Hopewell project: http://www.hopewellproject.org/

They seem to have the answers to many of the questions solved.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

I do know that they say... that oil spills by humans is only 3-6% of natural leaks. I really do not have any hard evidence but I will check it out and come back to you. I do understand that you did not state oil spills you just said fossil fuels.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Fossil Fuels covers the bases. This post for action is aimed at regulating the Coal Fossil industry.

[-] 2 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

ahh I see. Thanks! =)

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[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Interesting. Might I suggest disconnecting any electrical power in your home. And of course not driving any kind of car. Then you can rest easy that you aren't contributing to the problem.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So very helpful BS. Nice user name it fits you in so many ways.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

if mercury is so bad why it in the light bulbs that everyone is supposed to buy?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Seriously?

Please read up on mercury poisoning there is plenty of material old and new.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

mercury is in the "curly" cfl bulbs that are being sold.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Not what I meant in asking ( seriously ).

But yes that too is an issue. Because these bulbs do not get disposed of properly for one thing, but they can also break and so contaminate.

But the main thing about this post is about Coal Fossil Fuel pollution.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The comment I attached to the petition:

If we need to use fossil fuel to get by until we have developed and implemented true green power creation and fuel, like hydrogen. Then the use of fossil fuel should be as clean as it can possibly be! PERIOD !!! They have had massive profits for decades, they have used little of that for improving the cleanliness of the process. That practice has got to stop. The People of the United States of America for whom this Country was created for whom this Government is supposed to protect and support, We The People are tired of lip service and corruption.

[-] -2 points by smellyowsloozer (-51) 2 years ago

Oh ..yea... "toxic air". Try holding your breathe asshole

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That's one thing refreshing about you - 0 points by smellyowsloozer (-16) 2 minutes ago

You don't pretend to be anything other than a troll.

[-] -1 points by smellyowsloozer (-51) 2 years ago

Wall street whiners. Never lacking something to be frightened of. Now it's breathing

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well at least no one has to guess what you are doing here.

Hey? - Loozer?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Why Tar Sands Oil Is The Dirtiest On Earth [Video]

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/AGq5T/zm7E/B18Bb

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Truth - Support it.

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100086255.557671.433&gen=1&mailing_linkid=49235

Save our economy and help us move forward green technology at the same time.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This is what I said ( what will you say? ) :

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/856/894/489/

Fossil Fuel era needs to end. It needs to be as clean as possible while still in operation. We are killing the environment and every living thing in it. This is where we should be going right now - today:

Green Tech.

This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!

http://www.hopewellproject.org/

http://ecat.com/

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1

FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sen. Sanders Leads Effort to Clamp Down on Oil Speculators

Rampant speculation has artificially pushed up gasoline prices to nearly $4 a gallon. Sen. Bernie Sanders “is fighting back,” ABC News reported. A letter signed by 70 members of Congress – 23 senators and 47 members of the House – told federal regulators to enforce provisions of the Wall Street reform law and curb speculation in crude oil markets.

They stressed that gasoline prices are up despite high supplies and low demand. According to the Energy Information Administration, the supply of oil and gasoline is greater today than it was three years ago, when the national average price for a gallon of gasoline was just $1.90. Today, the national average is more than $3.70 a gallon at a time when the demand for oil in the U.S. is at its lowest level since April of 1997.

Citing a recent report from Goldman Sachs, a major oil speculator, Forbes magazine said excessive oil speculation adds $.56 to the price of a gallon of gas. Exxon Mobil, the Saudi Arabian government, the American Trucking Association, Delta Airlines, the Petroleum Marketers Association of America and the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis agree excessive oil speculation significantly increases oil and gasoline prices.

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100084830.557414.184&gen=1&mailing_linkid=44565

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100084830.557414.184&gen=1&mailing_linkid=44564

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Can you believe It? Mitten today lashed out at Obama for not immediately approving the Keystone pipeline ( oil for China ).

Saying that Obama wants to lower gas prices - But He does not want to approve the pipeline that would do just that while creating and I quote " 10's of Thousands of jobs.

What a piece of lying shit.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Additional Green energy support. Real working technology today.

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Tell the poisoning Fossil Fuel Industries where to shove it!

This is what I said: ( what will you say? ) http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

The fossil fuel industry has been making massive profits for decades while reinvesting little to clean-up and improve the processes. They have done this while receiving Federal subsidies. They have given lip service to cleaning up their act. The American Public is done with being lied to and robbed from. It is time and long past time for the Federal Government - you know = Of By and For "THE PEOPLE" to step in and regulate these industries as they very well need. Hence the open dissent of "THE PEOPLE".

SEE ALSO:

FROM : Union of Concerned Scientists http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ


Support true green energy independence. Shout it out to the World, Lobby Government.

Combine the Hopewell project: http://www.hopewellproject.org/

WITH:

I'll give ya a bump and raise you an E CAT and an LFTR.

http://ecat.com/

Sorry, I have miss quoted this as LFNR. the T stands for thorium. It's a "clean fission" option.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1 - This was in reference to clean fusion generators. Thanks again shooz.

That's as close to a full circle support system for driving energy independence as I have ever seen.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

In - Defense of life. Unite.

The attack on women's rights.

The attack on the public of Wisconsin.

The attack on the Public of Michigan.

The attack on the population of the USA.

ALEC writing legislation for the corruption of Federal and State Government.

Massive rip off of Public funds ( Federal Government by another name ) in the form of Health care providers overcharging Medicare Medicaid Blue Shield Blue Cross.

Keystone Pipeline buy local governments to use eminent domain to seize a right of way for their pipeline that has not been approved. Trying to force the issue in through the back door.

Fossil Fuel industry running wild with mega billions in profits raising prices again to further stifle the public and the economy.

Illegal Loans ( trillions of dollars ) made to Banks Domestic and foreign to bail them out of failure for their own criminal practices.

What more could anyone need to see or know to understand this is our fight. This is our need to regain control of the Government. State and Federal.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This is what I said: ( what will you say? ) http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

The fossil fuel industry has been making massive profits for decades while reinvesting little to clean-up and improve the processes. They have done this while receiving Federal subsidies. They have given lip service to cleaning up their act. The American Public is done with being lied to and robbed from. It is time and long past time for the Federal Government - you know = Of By and For "THE PEOPLE" to step in and regulate these industries as they very well need. Hence the open dissent of "THE PEOPLE".


SEE ALSO:

FROM : Union of Concerned Scientists http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

1 points by skylar (45) 20 hours ago

if mercury is so bad why it in the llight bulbs that everyone is supposed to buy?


Seriously?

Please read up on mercury poisoning there is plenty of material old and new.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Getting Personal: Report Back from the Clean Air Hearings

Dear Dan,

We all understand that carbon pollution from burning fossil fuels—the gasoline in our cars and coal in our power plants—are contributing to global warming. And the public has spoken: We are ready for climate action!

On May 24, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) held two publics hearings, in Chicago and Washington, DC, on their proposed standard to limit carbon pollution from new power plants.

For nearly twelve hours, the EPA heard testimony that was overwhelmingly in support of the standard. It was truly inspiring. I was at the hearing in Washington, DC, and testified in support of the draft standard. I was not alone.

More than a hundred people—concerned citizens, scientists, doctors, moms, dads, grandparents, and more—also testified in support. I heard amazing personal stories about why this issue is important and how the American public is ready for climate action. Doctors talked about patients suffering from heat stress, asthma, and other respiratory diseases, and how their suffering will increase with unchecked climate change.

Meanwhile more than 30,000 UCS supporters have submitted supportive comments in writing. And it's not over yet!

The public comment period is open until June 25. Help us reach our goal of 40,000 comments and continue to build this enormous groundswell of support. Demonstrating support for this standard will help ensure we see more climate action soon!

Please take a moment now to submit your comment in support of the EPA's standard to limit carbon pollution from new power plants.

http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=H748dbgXpOzqmFSHy5lxXg

Sincerely,

Chrissy Elles

Outreach Associate

UCS Climate & Energy Program

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sent this day 6/05/2012 An Open Letter Addressed to The President of the United States of America and to all of the currently seated members of Government. Please Handle and deliver/share as you would a letter delivered by the USPS.

Mr. President and all currently seated members of Government,

While we wait to see the results of the recall election in Wisconsin and find out if they will have a corporate owned governor ( Walker ) or a peoples governor ( Barret ) - and the nation "is" watching as is the world.

The people of the USA and the world would like to know.

What ever happened to truth in advertizing? There is no such thing as "clean" coal.

Images for coal ash spill Tennessee

http://site.pfaw.org/site/R?i=fpQqgmTwryElDB-lATsbNg

Inside the Tennessee Coal Ash Spill - The Daily Beast www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/07/17/toxic-tsunami.html Jul 17, 2009 – Inside the largest industrial spill in American history. How coal ash ruined one Tennessee town—and why it could happen again.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=coal%20ash%20spill%20tennessee&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CH8QFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fnewsweek%2F2009%2F07%2F17%2Ftoxic-tsunami.html&ei=31DOT4LmFaec2AXUgJ3NDA&usg=AFQjCNGcmOoJvtF81B833De-0yUWqAtvjg&cad=rja

Images for coal ash spill lake Michigan

http://www.google.com/search?q=coal+ash+spill+lake+michigan&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=XXK&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvnsu&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=sFLOT_OrOOGJ2AWW0JHPDA&ved=0CHMQsAQ&biw=1120&bih=552

U.S. EPA Sued over Toxic Coal Ash Disposal

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=coal%20ash%20disposal&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CIUBEBYwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecology.com%2F2012%2F04%2F06%2Fepa-toxic-coal-ash-disposal%2F&ei=ZlPOT8LMCuXs2QXh-ITSDA&usg=AFQjCNFBocwNfqbAJ8OgOTcCPMAQ_bXdEw&cad=rja

Environmental Groups Target Coal Ash Disposal

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=coal%20ash%20disposal&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CIgBEBYwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.martenlaw.com%2Fnewsletter%2F20120502-groups-target-coal-ash-disposal&ei=ZlPOT8LMCuXs2QXh-ITSDA&usg=AFQjCNG9u8v_Tsr-yPpPfURKmPdToX_cKA&cad=rja

Coal Ash Sites Across the Country - Sierra Club

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=coal%20ash%20disposal&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CIkBEBYwBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Faction.sierraclub.org%2Fsite%2FPageNavigator%2Fadv_bigpicture_coalash_map&ei=ZlPOT8LMCuXs2QXh-ITSDA&usg=AFQjCNE5cCCZmgGjyoIhILJA0dblS-Ow4Q&cad=rja

Spread the word.

Green Tech. New and improved - now with Liquid Metal Battery for efficient power storage and distribution.

This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!

http://www.hopewellproject.org/

http://ecat.com/

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1

FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600

You have got to watch this vid: The liquid Metal Battery - another piece to the puzzle.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy.html

Additional Liquid Metal Battery links.

http://lmbcorporation.com/

http://lmbcorporation.com/files/flyerFinal.pdf

Support green energy technology - industry - jobs. Save our world save our economy.

Rework free trade agreements as they are currently detrimental to the Business, Employment, Economic and Environmental health of the USA and in extension the world.

Put an end to outsourcing for Profit over People and the environment.

Stop world wide corporate abuses of people and environments.

These are issues of the people the country and the world.

Issues our government should be addressing with true dedication to the people and the world.

Governmental approval is what now? Overall 10% approve? Who are they? Consider that 90% do not approve of you.

Reign in corporate abuse here at home and around the world.

Thank you,

Dan

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Protect Yellowstone National Park from Dirty Coal Pollution!

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=LN9WH56tvtlY3V_3a32eZg

Yellowstone National park is a national treasure, home to grizzly bears and some of the last herds of free-roaming bison. Every year, over 3 million people visit to see these animals, to watch Old Faithful blow its top, and to view the sunset over Yellowstone Falls.1

Unfortunately, dirty coal pollution is ruining the view. Haze from a nearby coal-fired plant makes it hard to enjoy these sunsets, or take in the majesty of the roaming bison herds.

Right now, the EPA is taking comments on a plan to cut nearby coal pollution, but they need your support. Tell the EPA to protect Yellowstone National Park from dirty coal pollution today.

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=V3jypOS8NrS0QxFy5fShZQ

Yellowstone is as special to Americans as baseball and apple pie, but coal executives are fighting the EPA's plan to protect the park. They'd rather tarnish its beauty with toxic emissions than put pollution controls on a coal-fired power plant in Montana.

Let's show Big Coal that we won't let them destroy one of our country's national treasures by sending 30,000 comments to the EPA. Send your comment now!

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=5TKhjEqKQDYuLzNtGvhbsQ

Yellowstone was America's first National Park -- founded in 1872. We need to make sure it stays as pristine now, as it was then. Strong pollution standards will ensure our kids and grandkids experience the park the way it was intended -- clean, clear, and unspoiled.

Make sure the next generation can experience Old Faithful and Yellowstone Falls without looking through toxic air. Urge the EPA to protect Yellowstone National Park today.

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=syfwDlz_6ptri7aukIvShA

Thanks for all you do for the environment,

Mike Scott Beyond Coal Campaign Sierra Club

P.S. - After you have taken action, forward this message to your friends.

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References 1Yellowstone National Park Reports, Annual Visitation (All Years), National Park Service Public Use Statistics Office. Accessed, March 29, 2012.

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[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

EPA Takes Critical First Step to Tackle Global Warming

http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=iljap7mt-jI2SGwPcQIJgQ

Dear Dan,

Big news! On March 27 the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) released draft standards that will limit carbon pollution under the Clean Air Act. Carbon pollution from power plants contributes to global warming, endangering our health, our environment, and drastically altering our climate. By placing the first ever nationwide limits on carbon pollution from new power plants, these historic standards are a critical step to reducing the effects of global warming and protecting public health.

Unfortunately, these standards are already under attack. Several members of Congress have introduced legislation that would block or delay these historic standards, and the Obama administration is facing intense pressure from dirty energy companies, who are spreading false claims about their impact on our economy. It is clear that these dirty energy companies care more about protecting their bottom line than protecting our health and environment from the effects of global warming.

To ensure that the EPA finalizes strong standards this year, we need to generate a record-setting number of supportive comments to the EPA and show support at in-person public hearings around the country.

We have a team of UCS Climate Ambassadors—scientists, economists, health professionals, and concerned citizens like you—who have volunteered to attend the EPA's public hearings to represent you and the tens of thousands of Americans who care about reducing carbon emissions. They will hand deliver your comments to EPA officials and personally testify at EPA hearings on the importance of limiting carbon pollution from new power plants.

Tell the EPA that you support its efforts to make power plants take responsibility for their contribution to global warming by reducing carbon emissions under the Clean Air Act.

Submit Your Comment Today!

Sincerely, Chrissy Elles Chrissy Elles Outreach Associate UCS Climate and Energy Program

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Widening Communications. Interested? http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=V3845GnfWXxsV-YQCW_huw


Real Solutions to High Gas Prices

Dear Dan,

If you've filled up your gas tank recently, you don't need the newspapers to tell you gas prices are on the rise. But oil and gas prices are in the news, and politicians are grabbing headlines with plans that they claim will bring immediate relief at the pump. But these plans always fall short while real, long-term solutions are often missing from the conversation.

There is no "silver bullet" solution to high gas prices, but there are practical steps we can take to begin the transition from our oil-based transportation system. As a driver, you can take simple steps to cut down on your fill-ups, if you haven't already. As a citizen, you can push for a plan to cut projected U.S. oil use in half in 20 years. These steps will help insulate us all from even higher prices as we scrape increasingly expensive and dirty oil from the bottom of the barrel.

Oil companies are working hard to maintain the status quo because they are profiting more than ever at the expense of the American public. We must push back and demand a transportation system that works for us—one that is powered by less oil and more American innovation through the development of electric cars, advanced biofuels, and better transportation options.

The Obama administration has taken action to cut U.S. oil use by moving forward with strong new fuel efficiency and global warming emissions standards. This is an important piece of the puzzle, but we can and must do more. We need a combination of smart federal policies and private sector innovation to expand consumer transportation choices and cut U.S. oil use in half in 20 years—and the Union of Concerned Scientists has a plan to do just that.

You can help get the story of real solutions out—submit a letter to the editor of your local paper today showing how we can cut our oil use through a national oil savings plan and how that will help your bottom line.

Take Action Today!

Sincerely, Rachel Cohen Rachel Cohen National Field Organizer UCS Clean Vehicles Program

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Got up to 79 degrees Fahrenheit today in the Twin Cities. Do not like what that might mean for the Summer.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Push for green energy accessibility.

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=cxdpJuXrErHve2D61Vv1jQ

Dear Dan,

Tell FHFA you want to invest in clean energy and energy-efficiency in your home. Take Action! Take Action!

Two years ago, the Federal Housing Finance Authority (FHFA) derailed a program that allowed homeowners to put solar panels on their roofs and invest in energy-efficiency without having to take a personal loan. Right now, FHFA is taking public feedback on this program - but we only have one week left to show that we stand with clean energy.

The program -- called PACE or Property Assessed Clean Energy -- was in full force in over 20 states until FHFA deemed it too risky. This decision conflicts with the 27 states that believe local PACE programs are a good investment. However, we can bring PACE back with your help.

Tell FHFA you want to be able to invest in clean energy and energy-efficiency in your home.

So where does the money come from? The PACE program allows homeowners to agree to a property tax increase to pay for renewable energy installations and energy-efficiency improvements. This small increase is less than the anticipated utility bill savings, so it's a win-win-win. Energy savings, cost savings, and a cozier home! If you sell your home before the project is paid for, the tax is passed on to the new homeowner who will continue to reap the benefits.

Tell FHFA to bring back PACE because it makes clean energy and home energy-efficiency improvements affordable.

PACE also brings an economic shot in the arm to our communities. Within the first year, the Boulder County, CO PACE program created 120 jobs, brought $20 million in overall economic activity, and reduced homeowner's energy use by $125,000.1 What if you could do the same for your community?

Now is the time to reinstate a common-sense program to help homeowners save money and create local jobs!

Sincerely,

Mary Anne Hitt Beyond Coal Director Sierra Club


This is what I said. What will you say?:

Investing in energy efficiency and renewable energy technologies in homes is the smartest way to reduce our country's dependence on fossil fuels, reduce pollution, improve public health and curb climate change. These innovative PACE programs address the barriers that often stop homeowners from making these improvements and keeps the investment with the home, allowing future owners to both take the responsibility for the investment and reap the benefits.

FHFA's assertion that PACE assessments create unreasonable risk doesn't stand up to scrutiny. In fact, clean energy investments can be among the most profitable that one can make to a home. By lowering its operating cost, efficiency improvements leave homeowners more cash to meet their mortgage obligations. The Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory found that the presence of a solar system on a home provides a significant premium at resale.

There is so much green technology available today. Not only would it reduce our dependency on Fossil Fuel, Home installations could greatly reduce fragility in the power grid.

[+] -4 points by DKA4today (42) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sounds reasonable, what do you think?


This is what I said: ( what will you say? ) http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

The fossil fuel industry has been making massive profits for decades while reinvesting little to clean-up and improve the processes. They have done this while receiving Federal subsidies. They have given lip service to cleaning up their act. The American Public is done with being lied to and robbed from. It is time and long past time for the Federal Government - you know = Of By and For "THE PEOPLE" to step in and regulate these industries as they very well need. Hence the open dissent of "THE PEOPLE".

SEE ALSO:

FROM : Union of Concerned Scientists http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

3/06/2012 PROTECT Shell Oil Is Suing Us? Shell Oil Is Suing Us?

Shell Oil is suing the Sierra Club and other environmental organizations over its plans to drill in the Chukchi and Beaufort Seas -- the Polar Bear Seas -- of America's Arctic this summer.

The Polar Bear Seas are home to 20 percent of the earth's polar bears. Even worse, an oil spill there would be a disaster: it's dark two months out of the year, and the closest Coast Guard station is a thousand miles away, making cleanup a nightmare.

Stand up to Shell and sign our petition today. http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=IKupUhqx2KjjGutszOpQHw

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

3/04/2012 - Protect us from fracking petition. Support HR 1084.

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&id=7674

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

3/03/2012 - The natural gas industry wants to give you the old one-two punch: devastate our communities from natural gas drilling and send the liquefied natural gas (LNG) to other countries while profiting from their destruction. http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=32J3gahYCTidej7heCLfWQ


Building up reserves for use here at home is one thing. ( perhaps even lowering our cost ). But to do this for pure profit is sick to say the least.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

3/03/2012 Candle Light Vigil Invitation: RSVP if you can make it and plan on attending.

http://act.credoaction.com/r/?r=5538082&id=36003-4904244-oiTEFGx&t=4

This Wednesday, the Sierra Club and local groups are organizing candlelight vigils at Canadian embassies across the country to shine a spotlight on the tragedy of tar sands. Can you be there?

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

208,696 signatures for Bernie Sanders petition to end corporate person-hood. As of 7:59am 03/02/2012.

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

Why should you fight corruption? How can you fight Corruption? 262 signatures as of 7:59am 3/02/2012 We need 1000 minimum, please participate. Take direct action and forward it to others to do the same: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/8/stop-the-corruption-on-wall-street/

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The Pillsbury Dough-Boy lashed out at Obama for wanting to invest money in green technology. Technology aimed at getting us independent of oil. Of coarse he hauled out the ever repeated failure of Solyndra.

Get a LIFE Neuter.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Economic recovery - Share with Government - they seem to be clueless.

Create a massive number of jobs, building infrastructure, replacing outdated coal burning power plants, building energy independence.

Tell the poisoning Fossil Fuel Industries where to shove it!

This is what I said: ( what will you say? ) http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

The fossil fuel industry has been making massive profits for decades while reinvesting little to clean-up and improve the processes. They have done this while receiving Federal subsidies. They have given lip service to cleaning up their act. The American Public is done with being lied to and robbed from. It is time and long past time for the Federal Government - you know = Of By and For "THE PEOPLE" to step in and regulate these industries as they very well need. Hence the open dissent of "THE PEOPLE".

SEE ALSO:

FROM : Union of Concerned Scientists http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

Support true green energy independence. Shout it out to the World, Lobby Government.

Combine the Hopewell project: http://www.hopewellproject.org/

WITH:

I'll give ya a bump and raise you an E CAT and an LFTR.

http://ecat.com/

Sorry, I have miss quoted this as LFNR. the T stands for thorium. It's a "clean fission" option.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1 - This was in reference to clean fusion generators. Thanks again shooz.

That's as close to a full circle support system for driving energy independence as I have ever seen.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Fossil Fuel another aspect.

The gas prices going up and up and up. Pushed the economy into a fragile spot to begin with. It was the factor that drove small business to start downsizing ( layoffs ) then started business to fail as they could not afford rising costs. At the same time this started to push families on the edge of failure under water. This began the start of major home mortgage failures. The downward spiral had begun. Then came the stock market meltdown.

We are fortunate that we are in no worse position than we are.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

8,321 signatures as of 9:17 am central 2/26/2012 http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/AGDAw/zmfN/B18Bb

SEE ALSO:

FROM : Union of Concerned Scientists http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Koch - All of a sudden no one is concerned?

http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This is what I said: ( what will you say? ) http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

The fossil fuel industry has been making massive profits for decades while reinvesting little to clean-up and improve the processes. They have done this while receiving Federal subsidies. They have given lip service to cleaning up their act. The American Public is done with being lied to and robbed from. It is time and long past time for the Federal Government - you know = Of By and For "THE PEOPLE" to step in and regulate these industries as they very well need. Hence the open dissent of "THE PEOPLE".

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

FROM : Union of Concerned Scientists http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=WlgTiLnpWj7mm5KM2MI3sQ

Tell Congress: Don't Cut Off Our Clean Air

Dear Dan,

As you know, last December, the Obama administration finalized historic standards to limit the amount of mercury and other toxic pollutants that power plants can spew into the environment. And now the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is on the verge of releasing draft standards that will reduce global warming emissions from power plants. Both of these standards, which will protect our health and the environment, wouldn't exist if it weren't for the life-saving Clean Air Act.

Unfortunately, this landmark piece of legislation and its health standards are under attack.

Fossil fuel lobbyists and their allies in Congress are spreading false claims about the impacts of these standards on our economy. But protecting our health and the environment is the fiscally responsible thing to do.

The total value of the net benefits provided to Americans by the Clean Air Act since its inception is a staggering $51 trillion and counting. Nevertheless, Senator Jim Inhofe (R-OK) has introduced legislation that will revoke the historic mercury and air toxics standard, and other members of Congress have announced their plans to block the EPA from reducing global warming emissions under the Clean Air Act.

The Clean Air Act has a 40-year track record of cutting dangerous pollution—all while providing a net economic benefit to the country. The historic mercury and air toxics standard and soon to be released draft standards that will reduce carbon from power plants will save lives and contribute to a much-needed transition to a clean energy economy.

Tell your members of Congress to stop attacking mercury and carbon standards—and stop cutting off our clean air.

Take Action Now!

Sincerely, Chrissy Elles Chrissy Elles Outreach Associate UCS Climate & Energy Program

P.S. Want to expose and challenge attacks on science, help reduce global warming emissions, and advance smart, practical clean energy and transportation solutions? Become a member of the Union of Concerned Scientists today and help us meet our goal of 1,000 new members by February 29.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28258) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

People are tired of lip service and corruption. ( part of what I said, what will you say ? )

Action item for a healthier world:

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/AGDAw/zmfN/B18Bb