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Forum Post: Make This Movement Work

Posted 1 year ago on June 25, 2012, 9:46 p.m. EST by nazihunter (667)
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There are a lot of posts about the problems we all face. But, how did this movement get started? We are deep in the dung. FDR helped the country out of a brink so bad, he was elected 4x to keep it going. The country was heading in the right direction. Things were getting good. When poverty hit it's lowest point is when Kennedy took a bullet to the head..in where else...Texas. We've been going downhill ever since. Right now, we're on the brink. Let's not dig for more facts. We already know what they are. I suggest investing no more time on the reports of dismal dismay and answer the call to action. Sure the left is no good but, the right? They got us here and they will destroy us. I will answer the call to action and I hope more will follow.

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[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

DO SOMETHING that matters:


Virtually everything we want hinges on disarming our opponent –
………………………………………………………….………………...GREED
by stopping the flood of bribes into our government.


This is the first REAL step to REAL change .


JOIN US >
Join the NYC OWS…………….. (even if you are not near NYC )
Corporations are not People and Money is not Speech Working Group

nycga.net/groups/restore-democracy
groups.yahoo.com/group/NYCRDWG
bit.ly/vK2pGI
regular meetings Wednesdays 5:30-7:30PM @ 60 Wall St – The Attrium


OUR NO PASSWORD OR SIGNUP WEB SITE http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com/


check out our comprehensive analysis of
the 17 existing proposed amendments
and our detailed historical timeline of corporate personhood


Are you ready
......................TO JOIN 80% OF YOUR FELLOW AMERICANS ?


We must not
……DEMAND that we WANT THEM.to give to US
We must
……DEMAND GOALS THAT WE WILL ACHIEVE FOR OURSELVES


Because of the Supreme Court's decision,
we cannot accomplish anything significant, without FIRST -

Overturning Citizens United !!!
Ending Corporate Personhood !!!


80% of Americans already agree on it
as stated in the ABC/Washington Post poll

.........................................
In the the PFAW Poll -
85% of voters say that corporations have too much influence over the political system today.
77% think Congress should support an amendment to limit the amount corporations can spend on elections.
74% say that they would be more likely to vote for a candidate for Congress who pledged to support a Constitutional Amendment limiting corporate spending in elections.


Our primary goal should be to pass a constitutional amendment to counter the Supreme Court decision Citizens United (2010) , that enables unlimited amounts of anonymous money to flood into our political system.
We don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we only have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals. Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal – jobs, taxes, infrastructure, Medicare – much easier to achieve – by disarming our greatest enemy –
…………………………………………………………GREED.


[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The two parties were corrupted long before CU came out.....to solve the problem we need to look at society and our role in this mess..

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

Ah yes, the most deadly, leading to the other 6 in fact. Good post.

[-] 1 points by spermcoffinACAB (5) 1 year ago

i don't vote.....

[-] 1 points by know1 (210) 1 year ago

which action

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

The first idea is to state the declaration of the 99% at every strategy meeting and gathering. I can understand the anarchy bit to the point where if someone tries to be the leader or there is some hierarchy, than they can be corrupted, leading to what we have. Instead, the laws of human decency which we all believe in should be the leader, the president. The committed should be the ones to seek for advice. Consensus should be agreed to in the majority before moving on. The basic declaration of the OWS is really a good start for now . Why go any further until you achieve those objectives? So, I question that. What should be planned at every meeting across this country? A huge, and I mean huge, march on Washington and fundraisers to help us get there.

[-] 1 points by know1 (210) 1 year ago

Thank you , Fantastic. Lets talk about stratigies, mabey demands. Do u have ideas, nazihunter. I m so new to OWS I dont know what if any system for decision making exists. Can we act as a group or is that not the idea

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

1st- Agitate for publicly funded campaign. (money doesn't = speech. corps are not people)

2nd elect progressive who support these concepts. Vote out conservative who support them

When that critical priority is achieved we will address all the other progressive policies (listed above by Nazihunter) that we need to undo the consevative 1% policies that benefit the plutocrats.

Pease & Solidarity

[-] 1 points by harpon (3) 1 year ago

It's all been about selling gasoline. Even killing the Kennedys. The U.S. revolves around selling gasoline, and high priced high powered cars and trucks that use lots of gasoline- until we've ruined the social balance over it and have allowed the oil and motor interests to run and control EVERTHING. They get "Bailed out" while the poor are accused and blamed and evicted. Slow down and give less fuel to the fueld fires who've lowered standards of human decency in the world.

[-] 1 points by slizzo (-96) 1 year ago

First thing to do: purge the 9/11 truthers from your ranks.

With them, there can be no credibility, only stupidity. Your challenge is difficult to begin with. Why weigh it down with those human boat anchor imbeciles? They make the rest of you look like fools,

[-] 2 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

Credibility comes in numbers. But I agree, looking back is no good. Making sure Equal Opportunity exists and non-corporate and special-interest control of Washington is the idea.

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

To get respect you first need to show respect.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

Agreed. Everyone is deserving of respect because we all are connected. But, we are also human. We get angry, do dumb things, say bad things to people. Even that's ok .. if you are man or woman enough to apologize and admit your mistakes. Ain't many of those around HempTwister. I don't think I know more than one. You?

[-] 2 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

I know a few, but we are more fortunate than many.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

May be that Little Rock is a nice part of the South. Here in Georgia, I call it Nazi Land. Fanatics of big business, police states, race and other issues, but incredibly good at putting on a different face. But you can't fool the nazihunter. He can see behind it.

[-] 2 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

We have the occasional oasis. Little Rock is to too bad. And Hot Springs. Like Texas has Austin and Denton.

Surely Georgia has some. Nowhere I have gone in my truck, though. ;p

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

They may I haven't seen many, or any that speak up. I am from the North, so I can see through bull. and trust me, there are some, but mostly not. the occupy movement here is too splintered. I can stand anarchy, as long as there is consistency. No consistency, no movement.

[-] 2 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

I think the anarchists have successfully destroyed any positive image OWS might have had. God, I hate those masks!

[-] 2 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

We had many anarchists arrive. But we had a no negativity rule which they did not like much. Most of them moved on. Should I send ours to Atlanta?

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

That may be too tall an order. Debates are absolutely essential, and not really negative. It's the issues themselves that are negative. If they weren't, there would be no need for a movement. Now, once there is agreement on something, it should be followed, regardless of opposition, as an anarchistic sort of thing, ie, it is the norm. But if you don't like the norm, we shouldn't point weaponry at you and come in magilla suits. Nor should you have to follow the norm if you don't like, but focus on the essentials, what you agree with. You're always welcome in atlanta. I'd be happy to host you.

[-] 2 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

Equal Opportunity is what it all boils down to. To have the power to get there we gotta get the money out of politics. To do that we need a personhood amendment.

That is what the entire Occupy movement is all about. Just took a while to figure that out. ;p

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

deep, man! I like the initial declarations. What we should do is identify the abuses that occur each of them and work on those. Focus!

[-] 1 points by slizzo (-96) 1 year ago

"Credibility comes in numbers."

no, credibility comes with merit. more paranoid stooges screaming about a laughable fantasy that assumes nearly everything, ignores just as much, and is proof of possible mental illness, is not a good thing.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

Just watched one of those conspiracy movies. Let me ask you something. Why didn't the 9/11 commission address any of the issues these truth-ers had? For instance, they knew these bozos were in the country. There was an ongoing effort against them for quite a while and yet several of them are here in this country, un-checked, taking flight lessons, no jobs, they even had valid visas? Why would you give them a visa? Why, when Attah, (well-known as Al Quaida-at that time), went through a baggage check, did they let him right in? They even knew, and stated as much, that there plans to crash planes, and counter-intelligence training measures in place, did they miss all that? Then, to address it, they created the biggest most costly bureaucracy money could buy, and not one right-winger complained? Amazing. They failed those people, their families and the whole country.

[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 1 year ago

Truthers "issues" were ignored because none were legitimate. Did you look them up or did you just assume because the video asserted it? Paranoia industry leaders count on people not checking into their claims, like you just did.

If they knew the men were in the country, and they did, why do you refer to their presence as "unchecked?" isn't the a contradiction? Do you see how they can fool people like you with limited critical thinking skills?

Atta was not "well-known as AQ" at the time. Again, you assume that is true because the video said so and you never bothered to look into it.

There was a vague threat of an attack that would involve planes and buildings. That is a far cry from the specific plans and people the video undoubtedly presented and you decided was factual without checking not it. Again, you have performed exactly how the paranoia industry masters want.

If you don't think any right wingers complained over the Dept of Homeland Security, you are even less informed than most of the dolts who watch these stupid videos, go along with all the assumptions, don't check out any of their claims, turn off all critical thinking abilities, and make asses of themselves parroting the same old long-ago debunked truther talking points.

In regards to thinking for yourself like an adult, you could not have failed any worse,

But what you did excel at is displaying exactly how the weak-minded, gullible, paranoid and solipsistic fall the never-ending bullshit of the 9/11 truth movement. You did a great job at that.

Now, try to regain some of what you lost taking their bullshit seriously by looking into any of their claims. It rarely takes more than 5 minutes of research on non-truther websites to see what complete and utter bullshit it is. Sae yourself from the embarrassing stupidity of the truth movement.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

I was giving you the fanatic test. You passed. Which begs the question, why are you here anyway?

[-] 1 points by slizzo (-96) 1 year ago

"I was giving you the fanatic test"

and I was giving you the truther imbecile test. you also passed.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

It must be frustrating for you. There's more and more and more and more 9/11 stuff coming out than I've ever seen before. I didn't realize there was so much material. And more and more. More videos, books, movies,more front-line people. More and more and.......

[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 1 year ago

you passed the advanced imbecile test. you believe retreads of the same old bullshit are meaningful. volume over merit, a truther hallmark!

you know all you idiots share the same brain, right?

(don't forget to scream NORTHWOODS! at me)

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

I ain't gonna scream nuthin' at you. Just bustin' yo chops. the documentary I watched was on the FAA regarding terrorism in general. i believe it was 'take off your shoes.' i did a search, though, and i saw a lot of 9/11 stuff. i saw no 'debunk' stuff.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

I was referring to the credibility of the group as a whole focused on their initial objectives. Any splinter groups would disrupt that. So, I'm in agreement with you.

[-] 1 points by jart (1263) from New York, NY 1 year ago

We already do that, at least online.

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

I felt that way in our first march. Standing in front of the Fed chanting End the Fed. They looked out the windows and laughed. Can't blame them.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

The number of pledges just multiplied by 3. Keep the faith!

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

Make a home-baked pie with a nice crust and oil and frack filling and throw it on one of their suits. That's not violent is it? tt probrably won't even hurt their over-inflated egos. But they won't be laughing. Better yet, start a petition to stop paying on mortgages where the mortgage exceeds the value of the home. They won't laugh at that either. It's called an eye for an eye. You break our trust-We break yours. Another idea I already presented, consumer blackout days. Stop spending, stop buying, Such tactics were the way of the original American Revolution. If that doesn't work...well, we'll have to take a few tories and tar and feather 'em.

[-] 1 points by know1 (210) 1 year ago

OK nazihunter, what actions can we talk about, consumer blackout, dream on, morgage idea , good one, butwe cant start there, lets talk only about possible actions, not 911

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

gotta go for now, know1, i'm in enemy territory. will get back on later in the after. why not twist a few ideas of your own? I bet you have some good ones yourself.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

that depends on the commitment. It doesn't even take an occupy'r. It is a fact, I repeat, a fact, that if you hit these people in their pocketbooks, the movement gains a lot of traction. This is known as the highest consumer nation in the world despite the fact that many countries have incredibly more people. That's why these billionaire bitches talk out both sides of their mouth. They talk about being overtaxed when their taxes would be much more anywhere else. Yet, they also are love with our consumerism. We create their billions, which they use to rob us and destroy the planet. The people complaining are giving them, handing them, the silver platter. Is that what you want? You're referring to other posts I've made. I also agree 911 should not be part of it. The mortgage should. No arrests have been made. Peoples life savings have been lost by 'intended' fraud. Talk about a transfer of wealth. That is right in line with the declarations. 911, I was just pointing out to 'infilitrator' that he should call me nasty names too, because I believe their concerns have merit. But, let me give it to you in short. The ideas are the simple declarations of the OWS already mentioned. Everything is subsidiary and too much of a task right now. These are the ideas and opinions you asked for. But, you don't have to agree. One thing that is necessary is fundraising. Can you agree with that?

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

Why do we Occupy? After talking to a lot of people I think it boils down to Equal Opportunity. I don't mind you being rich. I mind your money in my politics. We just want a fair shake. A level playing field. We are burned out on you buying the refs. Not a hand out. Not redistribution of wealth. Or not forced, at least. We want a shot at doing our own redistribution of wealth through our own talent and energy.

But we don't have the power to make that happen because the table is tilted. Our vote has little power compared to all that Free Speech the 1% can buy. This is why Move to Amend is the first step. Then we have the power to reform campaign finance. Even the Tea Party should be willing to help with this part. They have the same power problem. Then we can have that debate about how to spend the money.

[-] 2 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

To know real history, this current so-called "tea party" has not an iota of the original tea party. In fact, it is just the opposite.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

True 'dat!

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

They dropped the part about "special interest money" pretty quickly after I got involved. The only thing consistent all the way through seems to be hate for Obama. Right after the New Yorker article in the Koch boys they had their Tenets. Exactly matching what Koch put in his rebuttal of that article. Then there was the million dollar donation. It was fun to watch. ;p

[-] 2 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

Bedfellows, cronyism, the 'ol boy network. Sure, I totally agree. The whole world trade thing is about cheap labor, not value. You don't have to convince me. On the other hand, you're wrong about the tea party. They are well-funded by billionaires.

[-] 2 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Nope, you missed the point and got distracted. Eliminating the ability of money to corrupt our political process is not a left or right issue, it's an inside versus outside issue. Clinging to a left/right dichotomy only perpetuates the status quo.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/common-ground-one-way-forward-there-should-be-no-c/

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Left wing politicains are against citizens united/corp personhood, and right wing politicians are for it.

Right wing conservative SCOTUS appointees upheld these damaging concepts, Left wing liberal SCOTUS appointees found against them

I think perhaps you are trying to confuse people and obfuscate the right wing position supporting corp money = speech nonsense. Yes?

Peace

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago
[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Go here and look near the bottom of the page and see where the red and blue outside money in politics really went to:

http://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/cycle_tots.php?cycle=2012&view=Y&chart=N

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No thanks. Yo want to state something I'll listen. I avoid links at all cost.

But you didn't dispute the contention I made regarding who the 2 parties in power stand on this critical issue so I guess we agree.

Peace and Solidarity.

Vote out pro corp personhood, money=speech politicians.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (667) 1 year ago

The Declaration of the 99% states, living wages, healthcare for all, decent education, non-corporate intervention of any kind, no takeovers by public domain, safety standards, no environmental pollution, no genetically-modified foods, no lobbyists, etc., to name a few. Are you on board with this? Did you take the pledge yet? If not, I think u r the dichotomy.