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Forum Post: Let's Change This Place Into An Intellectual Forum For the Exchange Of Ideas

Posted 8 months ago on Dec. 14, 2013, 7:17 p.m. EST by michaeljames (-78) from New York, NY
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No more insults, logical fallacies, or other weak means of discussion.

Let's change this place into a serious, scholarly like place for discussion.

Well formed arguments are the name of the game.

Can you play?

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[-] 3 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (626) 8 months ago

If anybody is interested, I have been promoting my Change dot org Debt Neutrality Petition. In doing so I think I have unearthed one of the ongoing reasons that there is so much internet antagonism going on.

There are those who have suffered through personal adversity and succeeded, and they can't stand the idea that others get "hand outs", but I think I have figured out why.

I recently first time visited alleged consumer advocate Clark Howard's general forum and was informed that if a person, family, or community or the homes/condos/apartments in the community are damaged by a hurricane, earthquake, flood, forest fire or tornado, that that is just "personal drama" having nothing to with one's debts.

That was a "wow" moment for me but it made me realize that it is easier to be a macho rambo type if one lives a relatively solitary life. If however, one has a family, an extended family, or is truly part of a community, than it becomes more difficult to claim that there are no tragedies, just personal dramas.

Anyways, the Debt Neutrality Petition now has almost 600 signatures and I am hoping that the personal drama meme ditto heads out there are in the minority.

http://www.change.org/petitions/congress-create-debt-neutrality-rights-for-paying-down-credit-cards-student-loans

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 months ago

We did that before, Thras. You didn't like it.

How about this time, we just skip the shit?

Because the only thing thus far that you and your group has kicked out are a shit load of circle jerks and sending in a crack pot ID with an alleged make believe party. It sucks that a good half dozen of the conspiracy theorist fruitcakes were actually you.

Oh, yeah, and plant a garden-especially if your homeless.

[-] -2 points by michaeljames (-78) from New York, NY 8 months ago

You always find excuses in order to avoid serious adult-like discussions. Always using logical fallacies, insults, ass talk, complaining about user IDs, using censorship or other such nonsense. It's like you're on a never ending period, and I'm sure I'm not the first to say it.

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[-] -3 points by michaeljames (-78) from New York, NY 8 months ago

We need to put out the thrash before serious discussion can begin. Aren't you tired of wasting your time with insults.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 months ago
[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 months ago

That's not true, Thras. Occasionally there are topics that are very interesting. But, then you would spin out about half way through which made it so not worth it.

[-] -2 points by michaeljames (-78) from New York, NY 8 months ago

Perhaps. Let's see. Starting now, let's stop using insults. Are you in?

[+] -4 points by michaeljames (-78) from New York, NY 8 months ago

I don't remember trying this before. I certainly would remember if the forum would have encouraged serious discussion instead of name calling. That's all I ever wanted. I never was one of the conspiracy theory fruitcakes. That's your conspiracy theory. I hate conspiracy theories with a passion.

If you disagree, then so what? We can try again. Why not try starting now?

I already do have my own garden.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

What do you want to argue about?

Why should there be arguments at all?

Unless of course, that's what you want to argue about.

[-] -3 points by michaeljames (-78) from New York, NY 8 months ago

We can argue about politics and economics. More specifically, about socialism, anarchy, capitalism, etc... About how to create a better world. Things like that.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

What's to argue about?

Why argue about creating a better world?

The actual argument is always about what's wrong with it.

As pure academic systems, all three you mention are utter failures. That seems to be true of all political systems interpreted in a "pure" manner, yet in this world some form of capitalism underlies them all.

Socialism works best as an overlying control system for the underlying capitalism, to keep it from running amok.

Which is basically what you see in the current Nordic systems.

In most of the West, socialism has been demonized by "capitalist libertarians".

I hear little in the way of accurate descriptions of how any of this works in the Far East. Most concentrate far to purely on the US, to our detriment.

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[-] -1 points by henry1234 (-37) from New York, NY 8 months ago

There are so many things to argue about, to discuss. Humans have been discussing ideas since the beginning of time and will continue to do so.

What's to argue about?

Politics, economics, and basically almost anything else. Creating a better world is about theorizing and putting those theories in practice. This is an ongoing process that never stops. Humanity faces new problems all the time.

Those who stop thinking are left behind in front of their TVs to rot.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

hmmmmm.

It would have more productive, if you had read the rest of what I said, instead of ignoring it.

I know it will sound silly to you, but there's a whole lot of the 99% who watch TV.

The only question you have really posed, is how to reach them.

[-] -1 points by henry1234 (-37) from New York, NY 8 months ago

What you say is generally of little interest and better left ignored.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

Excuse me?

Are you trying to start a flame war here?

I would advise against it.

so far?

All you've got is pointless rhetoric, with absolutely no meat whatsoever.

Inside the box thinking. 100%.