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Forum Post: Lawrence O'Donnell - Speaking some truth on elections

Posted 7 years ago on Oct. 25, 2012, 2:12 p.m. EST by john23 (-272)
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[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

ODonnell is a real mench - and a truth teller who calls a lie a lie
He dispises Romney/Ryan and likes Obama/Biden
[ obvious if you watch his show ]

This clip demonstrates his even handed wisdom -
most of it applauds the third party candidates running and
clearly states that voting for them is NOT wasting your vote
IF YOU DO NOT LIVE IN A SWING STATE such as non-swing states TX, CA, NY etc

BUT if you live in a swing state such as OH, FL, CO, VA, NH, WI, MI, PA -
he clearly asks you to consider what the Nader voters did in 2000 and what resulted

..............................................................................................I agree

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Nader didnt repeal Glass Steagall and sign GATT that shipped all our jobs to China like the clan he was running against did.

[-] -2 points by nameisthase (-12) 7 years ago

NY and CA are swing states? You don't say... wow, now that's revealing isn't it?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

thanq for pointing out my unclarity
but even if you are in NY or CA, you could be a swinger

[-] -2 points by john23 (-272) 7 years ago

agree to disagree....if everyone in a swing state voted their conscience a third party would be elected and this two party sham would be over.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

"And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon!" MS

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 7 years ago

I like the quote from braveheart better:

"Why? Why is that impossible? You're so concerned with squabbling for the scraps from Longshank's table that you've missed your God given right to something better."

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

They all died and failed to achieve the freedom they died for.

I wish we could elect real progressives. I have to keep right wing wackos out of office until we create the new system.

Any word on that new system?

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 7 years ago

The new system must start with voters taking a stand...there is absolutely no other way. The system must be changed from the ground up and the only way to do it is for people to start paying a attention and stop voting to keep someone else out of office...instead of voting for someone who will actually do something.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

I see so we can't create a new system unless people give up their right to vote?

That don't sound right! Isn't there enough non voters to get started with the new system?

Working to get people to stop exercising their right to vote is negative, we should find a way to beositive and definitely work to keep theright wing wackos out of power.

Personally I know we need an inside game (reform) & an outside game (ground up new system). To exclude one or the other is cutting off a limb. We need both, & we each depends on the other.

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 7 years ago

No, you misunderstood....When i said people need to stop voting, i said they need to stop voting "to keep people out of office, instead of voting for someone who will actually make a difference."

So in your case...you're voting for obama to keep republicans out of office...even though obama is a disaster. The lesser of two evils argument is what is destroying this country. Everyone should vote.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

Pres Obama is NOT a disaster, & NOT the lesser of 2 evils.

Pres Obama is BETTER than Romney, He is the best candidate for Pres who can actually win.

And I support the dem agenda.

So yeah I feel very strongly that Romney/repubs MUST be kept out, because THEY are the 1% puppets who proudly push conservative plutocrat policies at the center of all our problems.

I also know that dems can be pulled back from the right, made to serve the 99% and reclaim the progressive principles that will correct all our problems.

That is what working within the system for reform means. Electing real progressives (not Obama!) like Grayson, Sherrod, Warren, Sanders, James and others! Also protesting all pols to force progressive change that benefits the 99%.

And of course work to create the new system from the ground up, horizontally, with real direct democracy.

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 7 years ago

yep, and absolutely nothing will change....obama is bought and paid for by the same institutions you hate so much...military industrial complex and the major corps on wallstreet.

You want a real progressive....why not look at jill stein...or another third party progressive candidate who will actually do what they say they're going to.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

In America we have laws that prevent 3rd party candidates fair access to office. As a result they have not, and will not win until those laws are changed! I may vote for Stein (that's my business) 'cause NYS is solid against Repub. But we only have 2 choices for Pres. Sorry. I can't pretend.

So we must replace pro 1% conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives (especially local, & congress) & protest all pols for change that benefits the 99%.

And of course work for the new system, ground up,horizontal,direct democracy. Hows is that goin?

reform from the inside, recreate from the street..

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 7 years ago

as long as you and the rest of america believes that....nothing will change.

The laws preventing third party are only relevant when noone votes for them...or noone expresses their wish for them in national polls....that's the only thing holding them back from the debates.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

I gotta be more realistic. I know people don't vote 3rd party (ain't my fault, I have & may again) I know there are many obstacles.

I support several orgs that are fighting for the change we need,Move to Amend, Nationalpopularvote.com, open debates.

So I'm not the problem, the people who refuse to see the obstacles, who ain't pushing for the change that will create 3rd party access. And the people who support the right wing.

Those are the people who stand in the way.

Working inside for reform, outside for new system. Thats how it will happen.