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Forum Post: Koch Whore Walker, Makes Singing and Listening to Protest Songs Illegal!!!

Posted 1 year ago on July 27, 2013, 8:59 p.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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YAY! Libe(R)topia!!

A lying ass teabagge(R) does it again!!

Craps all over, not only the constitution, but all over common sense!!!

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/07/protest-singing-and-watching-singing-in-the-wisconsin-state-capitol-now-arrestable-offenses.html#13749734487091&334px

Can't disturb a Koch induced tyranny with folk songs!!

Where's all those gun nutters now??

The ones that said they would use their "amendment" to defend us from tyranny?

Still out in the woods, playing cops and robbers.

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[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''Where's all those gun nutters now??'' That's a good question ! N.R.A = 'No Rational Answers' and they're a bunch of Koch suckers who have no idea about anything beyond their front porch !!! Scott Walker has ''lost that loving feeling'' in his attempts to make Wisconsin a Libertopian playground for Koch-heads. Also consider :

fiat lux ...

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Commenting on Why Occupy Wall Street? No person is an island. Our lives are all interdependent on each other. The social contract that has worked so well through much of the time when people were proud to be Americans, and at a time in which we flourished has broken down,

If one were to ask me, why Occupy Wall Street? I might answer them with, 'Why should we accept greed and corruption being institutionalized at the highest levels of government and banking?"

Then i might go on to tell them, 'You might find this acceptable, but Occupy doesn't, and you might believe that nothing is worth fighting for, but Occupy doesn't.'

Finally I would remind them that; 'If it were not for courageous people throughout history who were willing to fight against injustices, we and those who came before us would have been living a life of servitude.'

~Odin~

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''No person is an island. Our lives are all interdependent on each other. The social contract that has worked so well through much of the time when people were proud to be Americans, and at a time in which we flourished has broken down,

''Why should we accept greed and corruption being institutionalized at the highest levels of government and banking?

''If it were not for courageous people throughout history who were willing to fight against injustices, we and those who came before us would have been living a life of servitude.''

Amen and an emphatic yes bro' and for insights into the ruling 'aristocraps', I'll append and recommend :

A country that does not understand it's history, has no future ! WTFU America !! Please !!!

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Thanks. Two questions shadz,1st; How well do you think that our muti-millionaire reperesentatives can relate to their constituents?

Next; How many of these people had insider info on their investments?

The 3rd question is yours

I read a great book in the mid 90s called the Real War On Crime, which told about the Iron Triangle. While that term has several applications, in this case, it is where politicians, bureaucrats and private enterprise have inter-locking political and financial interests

That book, more than any other opened my eyes up to the fact that things were not as they seemed. Hence I credit it for my viewing things with a healthy skepicism on a wide array of subjects.

But...even that pales to what I have learned here which is second only to what i learned from my parents...;-)

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''New Monetary Systems for a Sustainable Democracy and "The Great Turning", by Margaret Flowers, MD & Kevin Zeese, JD :

Thanx for your comment 'O' and got me a headache right now so excuse the brevity here but in answer to the above : 1) Not well at all !! ; 2) Unbelievably to the rest of the world (and to Americans too, in so far as they know about it !) - Insider Trading by members of congress is Legal !!! & 3) Huh ? Solidarity &

pax ...

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

And I will add, if one is to take the environmental crisis we are in seriously...and they should...

An economic system which requires ... unlimited growth, hence ...infinite resources ..on a finite planet will not serve us well in the 21st century and beyond

Get well...and Solidarity

~Odin~

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

'A Little Book of Ideas' (from Occupy London) :

''An economic system which requires unlimited growth, hence infinite resources on a finite planet will not serve us well in the 21st century and beyond'' Amen bro' & so I append the above in full knowledge that I have done so before but the presentation programme has changed a little, so click on the book to go full screen , then gently use the slider on the top left to increase size and the arrows to turn the pages. It is a good read. Solidarity :-)

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Book marked...again. I will pick up where I left off or start from the beginning tonight.

You know i met a young lady during the Manning demonstration who was very eager to learn more about what has spurred Occupy

I told her to come to this web site and to look for your comments and threads as they are most often par excellence

~Odin~

[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

That's really very humbling indeed and in friendship and solidarity, I append and sincerely recommend : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34360.htm re. The Infernal Banksters and with regard to Pvt. Bradley Manning : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35724.htm . Wiped out here after a long hot day and a long comment on another thread ( http://www.occupycooperative.com/ ) & now bed bound but couldn't leave without replying here. Solidarity to you and yours and all you do for the cause ~

pax ...

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

This is just a bit more fodder to make one's "blood boil," but I feel heartened in knowing that so many more people are becoming aware

And I am very encouraged these good people are resisting the current corrupt status quo and are searching for and implementing alternatives

And just as a baby starts to walk with the first step, these alternative approaches will grow and spread as more people awaken and are buoyed by each other

Shadz, I mentioned in another comment today how during the annual town-wide yard sale today I had several great conversations about Super-Storm Sandy as well as what is going on in this country. I was a bit surprised that the two people who were most aware of how our country is sliding down-hill were the mayor of my little town, and a retired Wall Street commodities broker, having been down-town on 9/11.. The latter, who I later returned to wants to continue our conversation again. He reiterated what was in your first link, namely how small the fines were to the big banks for wrong-doing compared to their huge $ ill-gotten gains, and basically they were just to placate the people (us "rubes") into believing that our government is doing something significant to get these criminal bankers in line. Before i left i gave him two places where he could read and learn more...Truthdig and Truthout which he wrote down. And just before leaving I told him that Occupy knows that this is not about left vs right, but rather it is about right vs wrong. Very, very surprisingly (!!) he adamantly corrected me and said, " No this is about good versus evil."

~Odin~

[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Yes, http://www.truthdig.com/ & http://truth-out.org/ are indeed excellent 99% non-MSM news, info and analysis resources. I read your final paragraph with great interest and that mayor & ex-Wall St. chap are just the kind of people that OWS need to tap into and give voice to. Your regular outreach is second to non (on this forum at least I think). Thanx for all you do & with a view to those victims of ''S-S-Sandy'' & with a view to The 99% everywhere, I append fyi :

There are good folk everywhere, in ever walk of life, in every hamlet, village, town, city and country ... they just have to start communicating, clarifying and connecting with a view to a better tomorrow for The 99% and not just the co-opted 1%, who unwittingly or otherwise serve The Parasite Class. Solidarity 'O'.

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

The issue of who gets to define the future, own the nation’s wealth, shape the reach of state resources, control of the global flows of goods and humans, and invest in institutions that educate an engaged and socially responsible citizens has become largely invisible. And yet these are precisely these issues that offer up new categories for defining how matters of representations, education, economic justice, and politics are to be defined and fought over. The stories told by corporate liars and crooks do serious harm to the body politic, and the damage they cause together with the idiocy they reinforce are becoming more apparent as America descends into authoritarianism, accompanied by the pervasive fear and paranoia that sustains it. & ...

In the name of austerity, budget cuts are enacted that fall primarily on those individuals and groups who are already disenfranchised, and will thus seriously worsen the lives of those people now suffering the most. For instance, Texas has enacted legislation that refuses to expand its Medicaid program, which provides healthcare for low-income people. As a result, healthcare coverage will be denied to over 1.5 low-income residents as a result of Governor Perry’s refusal to be part of the Obama administration’s Medicaid expansion. This is not merely partisan politics; it is an expression of a new form of cruelty and barbarism now aimed at those considered disposable in a neo-Darwinian survival-of-the-fittest society. Not surprisingly, the right-wing appeal to job-killing and provision-slashing austerity now functions as an updated form of medieval torture, gutting myriad of programs that add up to massive human suffering for the many and benefits for only a predatory class of neo-feudal bankers, hedge fund managers, and financiers that feed off the lives of the disadvantaged. Excerpted fyi, from :

Solidarity @ u, yrs & OTS ~*~

pax et lux ; hic et ubique ; nunc et semper ...

[+] -5 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Say anything you fucking want to whomever you fucking want!

Just don't make the stupid mistake you made in 2010 when you pouted instead of Voted because you were duped, this midterm 2014!

Remember this: If it were not for millions of petulant and duped 2008 Obama supporters not showing up in 2010, Teabaggers, CU, deregulations, obstruction, blackmail, hostage taking, sequesters and GOP sabotage and retrogression wouldn't be haunting us for unforeseeable decades.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I did in fact file an absentee ballot in the last Presidential election for Jill Stein, the Green Party canidate

"Say anything you fucking want to whomever you fucking want!"

Be careful Willy that kind of vulgarity can get you banned, you know

If you were to accidentally hit your finger with a hammer while nailing up a Vote For Democrats sign, we could all understand and forgive you for the use of that word though...

However it is a bit more difficult to forgive you for your profanity-laced efforts in trying to co-opt Occupy into the Democratic Party since you really do not seem very repentive to me...;-). I'm trying though, and so are you...very trying...lol

Throughout the world and throughout time...systemic change has always happened from the bottom up

~Odin~

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Spoken by the Unicorn Chaser who'd have America transformed into a 1%-GOP Teabagistan Hell (Privatized everything, Public Services banned, Slave Wages or NO wages, only Private Education for the rich, regulations banned, Only Health Care for the rich, Koch Bros Feudalism, ad nauseam) just as long as you and other fools could chase delusional dreams.

Why do you never address IRVs? Or try in any other way to make 3rds Viable? Is it more delusion or despicable fraud (I think it's the latter). But either one results in the same 1%-GOP Nightmare (for which they do Pay). Either way a traitor to the 99%! Thank Darwin you're just a lame minority!

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

By continuing to promote the silly notion that if we all vote for dems, we will achieve success is ludicrous

YOU.... far more than me are helping to perpetuate the corrupt right-wing neoliberal agenda which both parties support

Systemic change has always happened from the bottom up

If you don't have the cajones for this Willy, just say so....we'll understand...;-)

~Odin~

[+] -5 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Yet you religiously promote NOT ONE method to make "bottom up" third parties viable, like IRVs.

Instead, you incessantly proclaim your vastly superior (OWS, anti-system, corruption-free, left-wing, anti-politics, both-same, and street) "credentials" and zealously promote chasing Unicorns off political cliffs, which just so happens to be one of the RepubliCon Cult's latest dirty trick tactics to keep themselves from political defeat, because they can't be honest and win by selling fascism.

So, again, when are you going to be honest and admit to your real agenda: Sabotaging the 99% and their political (especially successful) endeavors so the 1%-GOP can continue it's tyranny over the People and the redistribution of our wealth to the top 1%!! Troll!

OR

That you are just a stupid fucking Unicorn Chasing idiot! Troll!

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Your deperation is showing Willy in your saying i am a "stupid Unicorn Chasing idiot! Troll!"

I christen you the Democrat's... #1 BASE INTIMIDATOR...lol

Ironically, it is because of perverted people like you that we are here

Congratulations!...Personally i do not think it is anything to be proud of though

~Odin~...

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

My what?

go back to school

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Does the DNC run a school too, and is that where you have learned your intimidating tactics?

~Odin~

[-] -3 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

you're missing patty cake

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

"you're missing patty cake"....??...not sure what you mean Willy

But if you mean this 'Pattycake,' yes we should all be missing her

http://www.google.com/

In Africa's Virunga Park, the British Oil Exploration firm Soco is threatening hundreds of mountain gorillas with their plans for drilling there

But as you know from here.... big oil contibutes 'big money' to political campaigns, and they want a return

Do you know that Obama is the biggest recipient of BP (British Petroleum) PAC and money given from individuals from within that company...over the past 20 years? That of course includes his time in Congress.

BP is the the company that had the humungous spill in the Gulf of Mexico, I believe, aren't they WILL?!

While running for President, Obama vowed to crack down on the scandal-ridden bureau of Mineral Management Services (MMS). It was another one of his unkept promises though. Had he kept that promise, we most likely could have avoided the worst environmental disaster in our country's history.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-spill-the-scandal-and-the-president-20100608

Both parties answer to corporate and banking interests first not ours, but I expect that you already know that considering your high degree of intelligence....eh?

I do understand though .......you have a job to do

Systemic change will only happen from the bottom up...Willy

~Odin~

And thanks for not calling me a, stupid Unicorn Chasing Idiot! Troll!" again.That shows that even the most vile amongst us can redeem themselves...lol*

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Dishonest RepubliCon Troll!!

Look at what they're doing in NC!

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"Embattled Fukushima operator Tepco has been accused of a “weak sense of crisis”, as its failing battle to prevent radioactive water from seeping into the seawater near the plant has become an “emergency”, according to the country’s nuclear watchdog.

“You can’t just leave it [disposing of radioactive waste at the plant] up to Tepco,” Shinji Kinjo, head of a Nuclear Regulatory Authority (NRA) told Reuters. “Right now, we have an emergency.”

Daily, 400 tons of groundwater percolates into the basements of the plant, which was decimated by the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami in March 2011. The seepage mixes with water used to cool down the damaged reactors, before accumulating, and escaping out into the Pacific Ocean.

For the past two years, Tepco claimed that it managed to siphon off the excess water into specially built storage tanks, but late last month admitted that toxic water was not contained."

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/08/remember-the-fukushima-nuclear-disaster-its-still-leaking-radioactive-water-into-the-ocean.html

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Occupy has no leaders shooz, but I am not surprised that you didn't know that

"All"...OK shooz maybe not all, but the over-whelmng majority of the people here are aware of the threat from the right

Which includes the Democrast who sold us out a long time ago, and the wicked Republicans too!!...OK?...;-)

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Do you agree shooz that Obama could have probably avoided the Gulf Oil Spill if he had cracked down on the MMS like he promised he would?

Do you think the fact that he has gotten millions of dollars from the fossil fuel industry had anything to do with his decision not to

~Odin~

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

How partisan and off subject of you to ask.

From your libe(R)tarian friends.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/is-global-warming-always-bad

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Replying here. You're funny shooz, I mean here you are OWS's

#1 Democrat Co-Opting Partisan implying that I am a partisan

I guess the best defense is a good offense, eh?

Anyway you would not hear me bashing Democrats so much if you weren't always trying to sanctify them, and having us play on the 'ole left vs right ball-field

I do understand that you like that field, but it is no Field of Dreams shooz

~Odin~

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Your accusations are as partisan as they come.

Here.

\Have an issue.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/08/right-wing-anti-woman-dark-ages-myths/

Now if you would be so kind as to offer proof of the equal opposite of this thinking.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

All of us here are aware of the threat from the right

What you fail to realize is how far right the Democrats have come. It is a fact that many Democrats are further to the rght than some Republicans were 40 years ago

Both parties sold us out a long time ago, however it is the insidious attempt by the Democrats to co-opt this movement which represents the biggest threat to the only thing that can bring down the corrupt status quo

The more that you try to reinvent this good-guy-Dem/bad-guy-Repub scenario, the more that I will challenge it

Because that is why we are where we are at

The sea change we are seeking always happens from the bottom up

~Odin~

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/08/08/2434291/reintroducing-ken-buck-colorado/

Some more than others. If you were actually paying attention.

BTW......Who's this us you claim to be speaking for?

Are you their leader?

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

A partisan person who backs one of the two parties that support neoliberal policies does far more than me to perpetuate the corrupt status quo

Systemic change always happens from the bottom up...errr...that's in like grass-roots movements

OK...time for my bike ride..... you?

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by Otter (-25) 1 year ago

Congrats on choosing a bike over a car and helping the environment!

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It works in reverse too, as well as ignoring certain issues.

Your question was purely partisan.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/08/steve-king-we-might-not-notice-if-sea-levels-go-up-4-or-6-inches/

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Bullshit.

Always with more bullshit.

This is just another example of libe(R)tarians fucking up the World.

Take off your blinders. Dump your ill informed partisanship attacks.

Libe(R)tarianism is fucking up Greece too.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/18069-why-are-the-greek-people-agreeing-to-their-own-destruction

Just like they are trying to use it to fuck up Michigan.

Now, as to your information free insults?

Lies are not dissent.

They are merely lies.

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/08/detroit-news-prints-koch-brothers-funded-franklin-center-anti-union-op-ed-about-netroots-nation-coming-to-detroit.html

Lies that refuse to accept reality.

Just like you refused to accept the reality of your buddy hchc posting links from the John Birch Society.

You see, it's not left, or right at all.

But asshole libe(R)tarians I've been fighting all along.

You just stick up for them, and that makes all of your accusations of me lies.

If you are proud of lying?

Keep it up.

[-] -1 points by Otter (-25) 1 year ago

That dark ages article was one of the funniest things I have ever read. Thanks for the laugh. How can you read that and not feel stupid for buying into it?

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"Republicans have been having an interesting debate over how their party should change — interesting, because even Republicans now recognize that Republicans need to change.

Like any discourse that threatens existing power, the conflict is primarily between the establishment — represented by Karl Rove — and various insurgencies — including one that’s hilariously led in part by Clarence Thomas’ wife.

The insurgency that’s being taken most seriously, perhaps because it’s framed by the biggest words, is “libertarian populism.”.

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/08/what-the-gop-isnt-willing-to-change.html

[-] 6 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

Shooz, I believe the repubs are only interested in changing because they believe it is necessary. "Libertarian populism" is growing among young people and I believe the establishment likes that fact because it is a dead end politically. The rugged individualist is by nature not compassionate nor likely to unify.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That may be the perception, but the Koch's don't bet so heavily on "dead ends".

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the world is changing

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Never a truer word was said Matt !!! To back up your truism in a rather strong way and expose some of the dark forces behind it, please see :

I am strongly recommending this to you Matt and to anyone else who gives a rat's ass about The 99% & how it is that we all came to this current sticky impasse. It's an education & eye opener 2nd to none.

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

the world is changing

Yes it is "being made" increasingly hostile to all life.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Into it's summer clothes!

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

I agree, the Koch's aren't betting on "dead ends". Whatever the Koch's do, it's probably best to assume that their strategy involves deceit of some kind. They would probably hide their true motives. They love money, control, and power.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

They are first and foremost, Randian Libe(R)tarians.

They are betting on the horse they created, and they are not alone.

"Libe(R)tarian populist", is a term likely created by one of their myriad marketing firms.

It sounds so much nicer than the reality of "eat your neighbor, if he can't keep up, libe(R)tarian".

[-] 1 points by Otter (-25) 1 year ago

This is nothing new. Remember how dead the R's were in '92 and the D's were in '04? Political parties always regroup after a defeat. The regrouping, plus party fatigue on the voters part then leads to a swing back and history repeats itself.

from 2007

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/LegalCenter/story?id=2845194&page=1

Democrats Rethinking Abortion

"I think there's been a huge change since 2004," says Kristen Day of Democrats for Life. "After the 2004 elections, polls came out saying Democrats were out of touch on moral issues, especially abortion."

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The Dems never had the Koch machine.

there is still nothing else like it.

Zilla?

Do you intend to speak about reality any time soon?

Or will you continue with petty distractions?

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Are you kidding me? They have Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon for crying out loud!!

Time to fire 536 of them, remove money from politics, and make sure that NONE of them can move to DC after being elected.

I want them to live among those they serve.

Laying in bed and wondering if a brick is coming through the window.

They dont have a thing to worry about in cozy, elitist DC suburbs.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You could only say and believe that, if you have NO idea of the scope of what the Koch's have done, nor where they do their work.

I can only surmise that you are another of those that FEAR links that explain it.....

Care to show the equivalent of the SPN?

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Illegal to sing? Thats called a police state. Fascism. And the Kochs are right in the front leading the way with the rest of the scumbags.

Did you ever see the video of the dancers getting arrested at the Lincoln memorial?

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

We need links to prove what the banks have done? Ok, I guess.....

http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/food-stamps-jpmorgan-banking-industry-profit-misery

Here's something to ponder with Goldman:

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/07/18/goldman-sachs-buy-german-bonds-sell-u-s-treasurys/

What will that do to yields and hence retirements? And if so, are they for real or just manipulating the market and hence humanity?

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

You want me to list the activities of the head banks that have pillaged the entire planet?

Heres a couple quick ones that are common knowledge-

All the US debt is ran through Goldman. They profit off of the collapse.

All of the foodstamps are run through JP MOrgan. They profit off of the collapse.

Who do Dimon, the Kochs, and Blankfein answer to? Thats the real enemy.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm not going to repeat myself.

Post the links, or STFU.

and don't give me right wing crap about "common knowledge"

Prove it.

Plenty on the Koch's and their ties to libe(R)tarians ( including, but not limited to, founding the POS "party".) has been proven here.

As I've Already said, I believe the lot to be libe(R)tarians.

I just want YOU to prove it for yourself.

So you stop dicking around.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

The Kochs are monsters. So are the CEOs of Goldman and JP Morgan.

Occupy Wall St. Occupy the Kochs. Occupy the Establishment.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Really?

Now I'm absolutely NOT endorsing the activities of the folks you mention, but can you please post a plethora of links to show their activities in the States, as well as their ties to organizations like the SPN?

Something to compete with the MOUNTAIN of information that's been posted here on the Koch's?

Not to mention ALEC, who's "laws" in the States, I'm sure they have taken advantage of.

I have no doubt that the people you mention are piece of shit libe(R)tarians just like the Koch's, I would just like to peruse your proof.

And hear you admit it.

[-] -2 points by Otter (-25) 1 year ago

Oh god, that's twice already today. Did capitial letter fear come to you in a dream last night? Are you going to wear it out like a kid playing with a new toy? You and the those two chicks discover a new phrase or idea once every two months and go crazy repeating it.

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[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

How long ago did you wear out your nameplate zilla?

Your comment is no excuse for your FEAR of responding to the reality of the SPN.

Do you even know what it is, or are you simply AFRAID to find out?

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

FEAR

Is not providing a response to the question.

FEAR

Is pretending there was no question.

Thanks for proving your fearfulness.

[-] -3 points by Otter (-25) 1 year ago

I'm having fun, so why mess with success?

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Thanks for the compliment about using a bike

I try to walk the talk, but like everyone, I am not perfect

shooz would agree, I'm sure....lol

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Both parties are to blame for where we are at now

Do you agree? ;-)

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"August 6, 2013 |

On Sunday’s edition of “Fox News Sunday,” host Chris Wallace asked Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint if the Republican Party was ready to “shoot the hostage” and shut down the federal government over funding Obamacare.

Wallace asked DeMint, “But, Senator, what they say, you know, is you don't take a hostage unless you're prepared to shoot him. And if you're going to go down this road, are you prepared to shut down the government? Because the Democrats are not going to go along with this.”

Unfortunately, DeMint dodged the question, and didn’t say whether or not Republicans were ready to “shoot the hostage,” in this case, the American people.

Jim DeMint refused to answer Chris Wallace’s question, but the real answer is that Republicans have been “shooting the hostage” ever since President Obama was first inaugurated. Their “hostage taking plans” were laid out back on the night of January 20, 2009, while the President and many others in Washington, D.C. were attending inaugural balls. "

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/republicans-are-clearly-happy-destroy-countryif-they-can-get-political-leverage

Do you agree?

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"There are two forces of evil in the world: Big Government and Big Islam. You cannot call yourself a true libertarian if you only understand half the equation." -- Eric Dondero, Senior Aide, US Cong. Ron Paul (1997-2003)

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/

Very ugly.

[+] -4 points by Blutarsky (-17) 1 year ago

"conservative men are okay with rape" That article actually said that. You don't read that and think that's a stupid statement? It would be like saying all liberal men are into dolphin assisted birth.

You are a sucker for hyperbole. There is no war on women (except maybe in the San Diego mayor's office) just like there is no war on religion. You are just a tool being used by leaders who make outrageous statements to rile up their people. I've said it before, you are exactly like the average Fox viewer. they just lean right while you lean left. Other than that you are exactly the same.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

The entire system is ran by 1%ers and your candidates realize that.

Thats why they run.

Self interest.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Best to avoid the political process, right? Voting is a total waste of time, isn't it?

[-] 0 points by summerbummer (-33) 1 year ago

The corruption in dc is why we need congressional term limits

[-] 5 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

Term limits useless, corps provide jobs after term is over.

[-] -2 points by summerbummer (-33) 1 year ago

Corps/lobbying firms provide jobs for folks who have spent many years on the hill, counting on their connections. If they only had 1 6-8 yr term, there would not be anyone to be connected to

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

Sorry, I disagree with your conclusion.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

The whole thing needs to be restructured. No parties, no congress, no president. There is no democracy and the check/balance "feature" is clearly malfunctioning. What good is the system? Good for ensuring no unity, intentionally and strategically. When changes come that benefit/appease the people, they don't worryt, it's designed to bounce back. Corruption effortlessly thrives in this system. We can do much better. We created the system we have, it wasn't always here, and people should change it completely from time to time.

[-] -2 points by summerbummer (-33) 1 year ago

Our founders' concept of 3 co equal branches to act as checks and balances DOES work. It prevents any one party from too much power. We, as a nation, are far from "unified". As time goes on it seems we are getting more fractured. The melting pot isn't assimilating folks as efficiently these days.

If we threw our current system away, what would you replace it with to guarantee corruption cannot take hold again?

edit: I will grant that the TWO PARTY system doesn't work so well, but it was not part of the founders' plans

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Departmental Governance is where a nation's governance knows no geographic borders. Departments can be Department of Justice, of Economics, of Natural Resources, of Health, of Infrastructure, of Defense, of Education, of Science, or however it's decided.

Departments only interfere with each other as needed, and their Constituencies are separate as well. Constituency A does not interfere with Department B. Citizens have no barrier to entry or participation in a Department. By being associated with a Department, level of participation/influence (in decision-making) ranges from evaluating the Departmental Leadership, to entering Leadership, without barriers.

Today's political parties would no longer exist as they do not have a role. However, the name Political Party happens to suit a new type of entity. It may take that name in the future, but for now Activist Opposition Party works.

Since all Departments theoretically function and look the same, we only need to see one. One side of decision-making is Departmental Leaderships (people known for their achievements in their Department, who ultimately make decisions in Legislative Court), and the other side is the Activist Opposition.

Activist Parties are groups of concerned citizens (Greenpeace) who are focused on preventing bad decisions and seeking justice. They have more influence in Legislative Court than a whole constituency combined has, but less than Leaderships. They are not really restricted from opposing/interfering with any Department, as long as it makes sense (registration and approval).

The Constituents (citizens employed by the Public Sector) evaluate Leaders regularly and frequently. Leaders popularity is constantly monitored. As Running Leaders become popular, more people evaluate them. There is always a long list of next best top Leaders, and we know the order from best to worst.

Citizens watch decision-making sessions in Legislative Court from around the world and weigh in electronically, though the only affect that has on the decision-makers is fear. The opinion of the public is displayed in Court on a big monitor. Leaders can be replaced in just hours, or maybe even minutes, by the popular opinion of the Constituency.

Need a break, let me know if anything doesn't make sense.

[-] -2 points by summerbummer (-33) 1 year ago

I will need to chew on this a bit. Npt sure I believe that a one world govt is really practical and that's part of what you've described. America probably comes the closest of any country to being a group of disparate cultures and we are pretty polarized these days. Can't imagine getting agreement around the globe.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Did you read it again? Seems like more people are beginning to understand it.

Thing about this is, is that it has been unraveling for a long time. People think about similar things at about the same time without even coming in contact. I think this has contributed significantly to the development of DG. Direct contribution (quality criticism and enhancements) from other people is very scarce, and I'm really not well educated.

This forum has helped take DG in a good direction. I could talk on other aspects of this new political system if you're interested. With the current ideas and structure, I believe if all was written out and published, a nation could begin implementation of it. Change management (preparation of the people) is another topic (99% Conglomerate).

I'd be interested in your input and new ideas, if you have any to offer.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

It's scalable. It can exist in multiple nations simultaneously without disrupting an economy. Two nations using DG could more easily merge.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

What about Senator Bernie Sanders?

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?gpiv=2100106469.211085.19&gen=1

And Alan Grayson?

http://graysonforcongress.com/about

When we the People don't show up, Big Money does!

Democracy requires participation! Turnout 2014!

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

2 out of 535 is called (insert adjective)

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You said: "The entire system is ran by 1%ers and your candidates realize that. Thats why they run. Self interest."

2 proves you're wrong, many many more are out there to achieve a difference all the way to massive Progress, but they need our support not our surrender! The 1%-GOP counts on your surrender!

Are you self-fulfilling a prophecy or conducting a sabotage?

Unite, Participate ~ Never EVER Surrender ~ and WIN!

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

The prophecy isn't self fulfilling, we are all living it right now.

Go attempt to talk to your local reps, especially the big ones. Take em out to dinner to discuss things.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

You're improving, no vulgar speak in your quest to turn this into a Democratic campaign

~Odin~

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

And you sprinkle the same old delusion dust to deliver us to a 1%-GOP hell!

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! Lessons Learned ~ Knowledge Gained ~ 2010 Never EVER Again!!!

Turnout the VOTE this Midterm 2014!!!

[-] -1 points by summerbummer (-33) 1 year ago

Willy, voting for Jill seems to me to be a way to make a 3rd party viable? I was also under the impression she is a "progressive". What more of a diatribe would you have posted if he had voted for Mitt?

[-] -1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Thanks summer.., i just can't figure Willy out sometimes

He always has to revert to using insults and profanity,

I mean, have you ever seen some of his past comments? WOW!..Talk about intimidating.... anyone who doesn't agree with his partisan crap, he unleashes....

Do you think he gets that out of the DNC co-opt manual or what?

I've heard it said that, 'Cyber bullies are usually kinda cowardly in the real World.' Is that true?

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by summerbummer (-33) 1 year ago

Yes, I am quite familiar with his vulgarity and general unpleasantness. It continues to puzzle me why this forum has allowed itself to be co opted by the Democrats. I thought OWS was supposed to be a non partisan group. I also find it frustrating that if you dare criticize the Dems it makes you a Repelican supporter. I realize we have a firmly entrenched 2 party system, but many citizens are not lovers of either party, myself included and we take a lot of abuse here because of this. Am also made speechless everytime I see phrases like "1%-GOP". Are the 1% Dems a kinder, gentler, less corrupt elite??

I can't answer your last question. I have encountered many cyberbullies online (this site seems to be a magnet for them), but have never met one in person to confirm or refute the cowardice theory. I have my own opinion, tho :-)

[-] -1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Occupy has not been co-opted by either party. The people in the streets and behind the scenes making the real sacrifices in countless ways would not allow it. They know that both parties are screwed-up, and that this struggle is about right vs wrong, not left vs right, and I believe most of them know that systemic change always comes from the bottom up

This forum however is another story as there are many partisan Democrats on here that have co-opted the forum to a degree anyway. Some of them have multiple pseudonyms, vote in blocks, and in the past have seen their scores somehow jump 100's of points and more overnight. Also, just before the next election, like in the last Presidential election we will undoubtedly see a huge influx of political hacks here. In fairness though, some people out of conscience believe that Occupy should have a close relationship with the Dems, and if they are civil, so am I in trying to pursuade them otherwise.This is still a wonderful place to learn though, and there is no better poster here than shadz66, so follow him. Did you read my comment on the Capitalism thread that I put up a little while ago?

The objective for some of the partisans is to is to instigate...to bait.. anyone who is non-partisan... until you say something that can get you banned. For instance, if I had called Willy an asshole or worse!!....that might have gotten me banned. You are allowed to think that he is though..I think...so far anyway lol

But if he said the same thing to me, he would most likely get a pass. I have seen this time and again

That's 'cause the moderator, who if it is who most of us non-partisans think it is...is a partisan Democrat, as was a past moderator. And no matter what the issue is that they talk about, it almost always comes down to, voting for democrats as being the solution to our problems

To a big degree, the people who put this site up don't have the time to monitor the moderator which is too bad. Anyway I hope I have answered your questions, and given you some hope. If you choose to stay on the forum, and I hope you do, you will have to learn how to play hardball. That's all. Welcome!

~Odin~

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

What a crock of crap! I wouldn't be surprised if SB was your own handle.

Support the successful rebellion of 1% tyranny over the 99% (administered, enforced, coerced and blackmailed by their wholly owned RepubliCon Cult and DINO cells) and serious political warriors (people you will never be) won't bother your Unicorn Safari patty-cake party. Troll, sabotage, slime or misinform people about the rebellion (your usual endeavors) and you're going to get rightfully torched.

Make yourself useful and work to make 3rds viable.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

No believe it or not, I have only one "handle." But summerbummer did provide an excellent opportunity for me to tell it like it is, and NVPHIL as well. You fit into one of my categories of partisan Democrats. I think you know which one.

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

OK, go along and play

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

OK...thanks :-) BTW, did you see my reply to PHIL?

Did you like it?

~Odin~

[+] -4 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

play nice with your Hello Unicorn pals

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"Incredibly, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible’s satanic agents of the Apocalypse.

Honest. This isn’t a joke. The president of the United States, in a top-secret phone call to a major European ally, asked for French troops to join American soldiers in attacking Iraq as a mission from God."

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=haught_29_5

[-] -2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

George W. Bush was undoubtedly the worse President in history, and considering that Obama has followed closely in his footseps, he is probably second on the list

He does give a wonderfulspeech though

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

For some unknown but consistent reason, you just can't get anything right.

W, or rather, Cheney, was a terrible POTUS, as are most GOPers, but no match to the RepubliCon prize winner of most harmful POTUS ever, Ronnie Fucking RayGun!!

The Massive but Under-Reported Reagan Administration Corruption

http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/Reagan.html

Tear Down This Myth

http://harpers.org/blog/2010/02/_tear-down-this-myth_-six-questions-for-will-bunch/

8 reasons why Ronald Reagan was the worst president of our lifetime

http://www.examiner.com/article/8-reasons-why-ronald-reagan-was-the-worst-president-of-our-lifetime

Ronald Reagan: Worst President Ever? YES!

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/02/20/ronald-reagan-worst-president-ever/

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Frov-Od: You're Dishonest and RepubliCon biased blather is not worthy of response.

But PEOPLE take notice of this and other RebpubliCon, anti-99% (People) diatribe and disinformation. It's coming on strong with the 2014 Election getting closer. Look at what the RepubliCons are doing in North Carolina!!!!

[-] -1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Reagan could well have been the worst President for having started us out on the neoliberal path we are on and that Obama has accelerated in certain aspects anyway

Still though W has the blood of hundreds of thousand of people on his hands

As you may know Willy, systemic change always comes from the bottom up

~Odin~

Thanks so much for your relative civility today Willy....;-)

[-] -3 points by summerbummer (-33) 1 year ago

I'd say it's a toss up at this point, but our peaceprizeprez still has 3 yrs to pull ahead

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I guess that's plenty of time to catch up

~Odin~

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

At least if he Voted directly for Mitt, he'd be honest.

IRVs could make 3rds viable, until then a Vote for (3rd) Jesus Christ would be a Vote for the 1%-GOP. American Politics 101.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Thanks for those informative links shadz............

It seems the forum has fallen far since the last invasion of gun nutters.

They shed their skins and retook up the demonization of liberal thinking folks on the forum. Running bots in the background, to feed their demented beliefs.

Perhaps there is some hope, as the heir to the KKK throne, defects in Florida.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/29/derek-black-the-reluctant-racist-and-his-exit-from-white-nationalism.html

His family blames "liberal arts". I would say this proves it's efficacy.

Now if only we could apply that to the NRA, perhaps we could rid ourself of it's own racist tendencies?

One of it's leading board members, in his own words.

http://samuel-warde.com/2013/07/the-real-ted-nugent-in-his-own-obscene-racist-words/

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''It’s virtually impossible to measure the number of people involved in racist hate groups - the organizations’ own membership numbers are notoriously unreliable - so organizations like the SPLC instead tally individual chapters. And these numbers suggest that hate is booming.

''In 2000, SPLC counted 602 hate groups in the U.S. That number ballooned to 1,007 in 2012. Experts say the nation’s rapidly changing racial demographics - and the election of President Obama - have spiked enrolment. While hate movements typically experience a steady trickle of defectors, experts say those dropping out are consistently outnumbered by those joining.'' -- from your first link & to follow, re. your second and the embedded video there :

''In a July 2013 interview with The Washington Post Nugent expressed interest in possibly running for President of the United States as a Republican in the 2016 election.'' [from The Washington Post link in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent ].

Dude, sometimes 'Americanians' just freak me out !!! But I loves them generally !! And even specifically !

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

We do have more than out fair share of loudmouth ding bats...........:)

Wanna buy some?

I'm sure they'd sell themselves.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

No thanx and they ''sold'' themselves a long while ago but alas, some days it can quite clearly be ...

However, I'd postulate that the likes of Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning and Daniel Elsberg rank amongst the best of Americans. For every right-wing yahoo there's 4/5 decent folk who would show themselves if there was a political party that represented them. Duopoly is killing Democracy - qed !

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Oh. Well I was hoping you might.

We used to sell our warts as kids and quite often, it actually worked.............:) They would go away.

I understand how it looks from outside, but don't be fooled by the libe(R)tarians.

The appearance of "duopoloy" is being actively promoted by their marketers.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Now that 'promotion' may or may not be the case and I'd appreciate a clarification about the possible rationale for that but seriously, how's American demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy anything but a duopoly ?!

ad iudicium ...

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I can refer you to any number of threads here on the activities of the Koch's and their "charity" ALEC.

Not to mention Pete Peterson.

libe(R)tarians the lot, and their activities very much promote the duopoly illusion.

If you don't believe me, make an attempt to apply the D/R paradigm across the World stage.

You will find more evidence of the destructive work of Milton Freeman and Ayn Rand that anything else.

Libe(R)tarians.

You will actually find much evidence of their activities on the forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

I'm really trying to understand that reply. I'm not under any illusions re. ALEC & The Kochs & I found out about Peter G. Preston today too but you simply assert your third line and throw me line four as a bone. Well 'woof' but I ain't chasing it 'cause this dog DOES hunt !!! I fkn H8 Friedman and Rand and the whole Chicago School of Misanthropy !! But there is no getting away from it shooz ... The Democrap Party is a huge part of the problem and Obomber ain't all that, to put it very mildly indeed & to spare your feelings !

I'll look at your link later. Now, I suppose the only real question here is - dare you read that last article ?!

ad iudicium ...

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Read it?

I've been talking it since I got here.

Everything from MMT, to privatization.

Oh, in case the trolls get a hold?

I'm pro MMT and VERY anti-privatization.

It should be a go to article for all my detractors.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

I hear you but now hear this :

You'll get my drift pdq'ly & there's always the chance that we'll either learn something or have something we think we know confirmed or that we'll learn that there are new dots to join and clearer connections to make. This doc. film is fckng great imo but the link won't be around long I don't think so I'm very strongly recommending it to you and all who you know and love.

pax ..

[-] -3 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by nazihunter (215) 1 year ago

the Koch Brothers are a disease. Call Cobra.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

'Koch Brothers Exposed" (Full), by Robert Greenwald ... and appended here for the standing record :

Just so there's no confusion as to who and what The Kochs really are, who they back, finance and what they are pushing and why The 99% and OWS must resist them without equivocation. Resistance to The Koch Agenda would unify the vast majority of Americans - IF only they could really understand just what these Elitist Parasitic Oligarchs are really about.The Kochs are about as anti-99% & OWS as you'll get.

e tenebris, lux et veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Greenwald was just detained under the terrorism provisions in Britain, and all of his shit was taken.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/18/glenn-greenwald-partner-detained-david-miranda-airport_n_3776825.html

Dont worry, I'm from the Government, I'm Here to Help.

The more they centralize power, the more fucked up it gets.

This is what a one world government feels like. We are already there.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

The person who was detained was actually Glenn Greenwald's partner, David Miranda :

There is a mthrfkr of a stink building up in the UK about this nine hour detention at London's Heathrow airport of David Miranda on his way back to Brazil from Berlin. Greenwald is Very Angry and is going to kick up a huge stink and also hit The USUK where it hurts even harder by all accounts, as per the links.

The doc. above btw, is by 'Robert' Greenwald but I'm not sure if they're related but thanx for your link and comment because this is a big story with even bigger ramifications for anyone even vaguely interested in any notions of 'freedom'. We must give a shit about this - Resistance Is Fertile ; United We're Stronger !!

I excerpt the following from the first link above : ''If the UK and US governments believe that tactics like this are going to deter or intimidate us in any way from continuing to report aggressively on what these documents reveal, then they are really beyond deluded. If anything, it will have only the opposite effect: to embolden us even further. Beyond that, every time the US and UK governments now show their true character to the world - when they prevent the Bolivian President's plane from flying safely home, when they threaten journalists with prosecution, when they engage in behaviour like what they did today - all they do is helpfully underscore why it's so dangerous to allow them to exercise vast, unchecked spying power in the dark.''

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 5 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

There should be a huge stink building up about this 9 hr detention of Greenwald's partner! The world has gone mad! First the Bolivian president and now this, journalists all over the world should condemn this with personal outrage. Any one of them could be next.

My theory is Obama was embarrassed making a recent speech about there being no abuses by the NSA, then the documents from Snowden proving there were thousands of abuses. The media should have made a bigger deal about it than they did, but our police state is becoming even bolder!

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

a) ''You Won’t BELIEVE What’s Going On with Government Spying on Americans'', by 'WashingtonsBlog' :

b) ''The U.S. Behaves Nothing Like a Democracy, But You'll Never Hear About It in Our 'Free Press'!'' by Noam Chomsky :

''As always through history, there are two trajectories. One leads towards oppression and destruction. The other leads towards freedom and justice. And as always - to adapt Martin Luther King's famous phrase - there are ways to bend the arc of the moral universe towards justice and freedom - and by now even towards survival.''

Don't despair 'windy' & know this, we can : ''Rise like Lions after slumber ; In unvanquishable number ; Shake your chains to earth like dew ; Which in sleep had fallen on you - Ye are many - they are few.''

ipsa scientia potestas est et veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And it isn't like he had no warning:

According to one local source who prefers to go unnamed, the beleaguered Capitol Police chief recently contacted the Dane County Sheriff for advice on what to do. The Sheriff, who trains his staff in non-confrontational community policing techniques and has been moderately critical of the Walker administration, is said to have advised the chief to prepare for multiple federal lawsuits for violating people’s civil rights. http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=rrOFBFgF7Km6lfvAk2xYltFdzq9oWVPf

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Cool. Now he can get an underpaid public defender.

Unless of course the Koch's pay for his defense.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I wonder if we will ever see arrests made on those making illegal ( UN-Constitutional ) arrests? Them and their chain of command - and their chain of commands commander.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

There's a lot of honest press watching that rotunda.

If it happens, we will know.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Would be a very good thing to see.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Wisconsin Capitol Police Chief David Erwin must resign due to blatant police brutality after 11.7% Walker pay raise

Probably is not happy with his raise in pay now - Hey?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/capitol-was-ours

Nothing to see here.

Now on with the soap opera of the banned.

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

In Rome, to sing a song mocking someone was punishable by death.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

So Weird Al can't bring his never ending ALpocalypse tour there?

What about Dr. Dimento? Can he sell CD's?

Come to think of it, Frank Zappa did tour there. How come they allowed him to live?

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

That was Rome, we escaped that for awhile after the Magna Carta, then the constitution. But the wool is over our eyes and we have been shorn. The next Zappa here will be publically executed.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Watch your thinking.

“Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals.” ~Mark Twain

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/03/45-quotes-to-use-when-describing-conservatives-and-republicans-to-your-friends/#ixzz2b7400EPS

Welcome to the United States of ALEC

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

As long as no one can do anything but expose the symptoms of their activity rather than attacking the root issue, prepare to see rights evaporate. Exposure is not enough.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Some can't see the roots for the dirt.

ALEC IS one of those roots.

And as you must know, digging deep, is what one must do to remove the roots.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

It is not many roots, it is one root, and we can't get to it from here. ALEC is a sucker, not a root. Why not cut it off instead of just pointing at it?

Really, how deep is symptomatic collusion? Individual violations of public trust. No, this exposure is not deep enough. Exposing the fact that they would prefer Americas greatest rights are NOT discussed or even known is deep enough to cut the sucker off.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm sorry, but I feel you are wrong about this.

ALEC has been negating State constitutions for 40 years.

Such "business" has it's effects on the nation as a whole.

it IS at the very root.

[-] -1 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

The infiltration created ALEC as a cover to gather corporations under.

The methods of the infiltration are the root.

[-] -1 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

I assert the root problem goes back 146 years, and the worst of it begat ALEC.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Let's hear your assertion.

And your explanation of the "birth" process.

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

Killing Lincoln was the first step, then putting a general in office. Courts were directed to give corporations the rights of persons. The basis of the economy was removed, stolen through assimilation of fiat money.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Washington was a General.

A Note in the margins, written by a clerk created the illusion of corporations as citizens. It was OKed by a drunken Supreme Court judge.

There is nothing inherently wrong with fiat currency, it may in fact offer the best way out of our current economic malaise..

http://neweconomicperspectives.org/p/modern-monetary-theory-primer.html

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Ssshhhh. You know how they don't like it when you talk about ALEC. You might be talking about issues. Issues are anathema.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

They'll attack us with bots, before they'll actually discus the reality of ALEC.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Oh, yeah.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Or attempting to change the narrative to something completely unrelated..

Walker, like Snyder, NEVER tells the truth.

Here's his latest waffle.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014553308

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/31/scott-walker-anti-union-restrictions_n_3682957.html

Perhaps he's waiting to see what happens during the Koch/ALEC shakedown of Detroit?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yeah, I think they are trying to move as fast as they can because they are on limited time.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

After learning who Engler really is?

I have never been so afraid of what is happening in Michigan.

I posted this a little while ago.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/koch-coke-and-the-detriot-river/#comment-991335

I can at least hope Canada gets mad about it, can't i?

Or has Harper become a full on Koch whore too?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Electablog has a new article.

I get that Kevyn Orr’s job is hard. That’s why he gets paid over a quarter million dollars a year with full benefits including full health insurance, general liability insurance, professional liability insurance, and motor vehicle insurance. He also gets to hire staff which he has done and is immune from any lawsuits arising from him executing his duties as the Emergency Manager.

But his $275,000 salary is after his meals are paid for and all of his lodging and travel expenses are reimbursed. That, on top of the high salaries being paid to his staff and the monstrous fees being paid to his former employer Jones Day — $1.4 million just the first six weeks they’ve been on the job — are pretty hard to square with the call for frugality and fiscal responsibility that’s being sent out from all quarters. For all the criticisms of the profligacy of previous city leaders — justified in many cases — this doesn’t look much different. http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/07/detroit-emergency-manager-living-well-on-the-taxpayer-dime.html

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

He'll be eating high on the tax payer dime too.

Michael Symon's ROAST is the hotels restaurant.

I've seen worse, but it's still not exactly cheap.

http://www.roastdetroit.com/dinner-menu/

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Here's what I can find on the penthouse digs.

http://detroit.curbed.com/places/the-book-cadillac

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

This is awesome. You gotta love that whole let him in to steal formula.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago
[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

That's great. I mean, really. Good to know that contractors get theirs.

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

One must only challenge libe(R)topia silently.

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Don't move to Wisconsin.....................:)

The Koch's now own it.

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 months ago

Perhaps too late, the courts rule against Walkers shameless gambit of arresting folk singers.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/02/07/judge-rules-for-gov-walker-protests/

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Walker fesses up!!!!

Wisconsin is failing because of unrest in the middle east!!!

Hint, hint.......It's Obama's fault.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/31/scott-walker-syria-excuse-for-failing-economy/

In his world it couldn't possibly have anything to do with all that union busting and Koch/ALEC libe(R)tarian legislation.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No worries though, Wisconsin, because Walker announced his plan to fix Wisconsin’s devastated economy and it’s nothing short of genius. Here’s what he told local media on Monday:

  • “The President, working with other leaders on a global basis, can try and put some pressure on to get things under control in the Middle East and provide stability there, because that will help our economy and if they don’t it has an impact.”

And there you have it.

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/31/scott-walker-syria-excuse-for-failing-economy/#ixzz2dbDZs56c

HEEHEEHEEEEEEEEEE

As exciting and inspirational as Walker’s plan to fix Wisconsin’s economy sounds at first, I’m a bit skeptical – especially in light of the fact that he went on to say:

  • “We can do all the good possible, we can get the state back on the right track, but if there’s instability around the world it will inevitably have an impact.”

That doesn’t sound like good news for Wisconsin.

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/31/scott-walker-syria-excuse-for-failing-economy/#ixzz2dbG4qtPh

aAHAHahahaha it just keeps getting better and better

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Are you surprised that the soap opera of the banned, ignores Walker completely?

He's a prime example of the Koch's legislative failure.

a failure they are now exporting to other States.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Are you surprised that the soap opera of the banned <SHILLS>

Course not.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Our current soap opera gang member is busy.

He won't be distracted from his mission of taunting and insulting GF.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No one ever said it had any brains. I am sure GF is bored already.

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Do you have the exact quote?

I do so get tired of people coming here and making accusations they can't back up.

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[-] -3 points by agamemnon (-20) 1 year ago

No "quote", none needed. Your comments and threads speak for themselves.

I did visit your Koch Whore thread though, but I do suspect you will not like what I said.

Once again, "This game of accepting the lesser evil [the Democrats] enables the steady erosion of justice and corporate plundering. It enables corporations to harvest the nation and finally the global economy reconfiguring the world into neofeudalism, one of masters and serfs." Chris Hedges

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The Koch's are not a "lesser evil", by any stretch.

The evil lies in your lies.

So will you stop lying now, and show the quote, or will you continue to make stuff up?

I did a quick check and couldn't find a single comment from you in ANY of those threads.

So who is it you think you're deceiving?

Lies are not dissent, they are simply lies.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Still at it. Walker arrests firefighter.

http://progressive.org/walker-cops-cuff-firefighter

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

More on this ongoing travesty of justice.

An honest cop speaks out.

"I’m really angered at my brethren police officers who are arresting people who pose no threat to public safety,” said Tom Alisankus, a police officer in a small town in Wisconsin. “They swore to uphold the Constitution, and by arresting people here they are being more beholden to Scott Walker than to the Constitution, which is very distasteful for me as an officer of 31 years.”

http://progressive.org/wisconsin-policeman-rebukes-walker-cops

Walker rewards lapdog chief with tax payer dollars, sorely needed elsewhere.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/08/18/police-chief-illegal-protester-arrests-big-pay-raise-scott-walker.html

And some closing words from Occupy.

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/capitol-was-ours

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

I applaud that cop for speaking out.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

What a truly minimalist approach to the entire travesty in Wisconsin.

Not a single supportive comment about YEARS worth of protests.

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/overpass-light-brigade-crashes-scott-walker%E2%80%99s-governors-convention

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

You are an attack machine.

When was the last time you got roughed up by the cops? Or is that yet another thing I can actually speak on while you type away, attacking everyone in your path?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Another subject change????

Another red herring?

Yep. It's what you do.

BTW........It's you who called me names and that makes YOU the real attack machine.

One who gets banned and comes back to attack again and again....

I do recall the attack by your rabid dog friends just last night.

Was I supposed to ignore all that??

WTF anything you've said here has to do with Wisconsin, or Walker, I have no idea.

NOPE. It was all about you attacking me and then pretending you didn't.

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[-] -1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I must also make note of the dearth of comments by our resident "constitutionalists".

They too, must be hiding in the woods.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Still singing, still getting arrested for it.

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/we-would-stand-diamonds-and-sing

Don't worry folks, this is just another non-issue.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Reporters too.

http://www.progressive.org/walker-cop-nabs-me-for-being-a-reporter

There will be no more dissent of the Koch brothers in Madison.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Now arresting grannies in a capital near you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017139131

All for the love of Koch.

[-] -2 points by nazihunter (215) 1 year ago

I would say the only solution is world revolution

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

At this rate?

That could take up to 200 years or more.

What shall we do in the mean time?

[-] -2 points by nazihunter (215) 1 year ago

Organize a 100-million man march on Washington. I'll go. Will you?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Get it organized and I'll see what I can do.

Will you be paying for the hotel?

[-] -2 points by nazihunter (215) 1 year ago

you sound insincere. Otherwise I'd say absolutely.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Actually?

A folk singer invasion of Madison would be the way to go.

An acoustic guitar army.

Can you play and sing?

[-] -1 points by nazihunter (215) 1 year ago

lean play any song. Sign me up.

[-] -1 points by gameon (-51) 1 year ago

how karl marx of you

[-] -1 points by nazihunter (215) 1 year ago

Yes, you are so right. Have you ever read this site's motto? You must be lost. The radical right-wing websites are that way |
V HELL.

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/welcome-to-botopia/

Who knows?

All I know is lies and liars are in the top comments and DK is being systematically attacked by bots.

Innocuous comments from a year ago are being attacked at the rate of -17 and more.

I haven't seen anything like it since the heyday of that asshole trashy.

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[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yep. Looks like they are still in the woods. Not a peep.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (22316) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

let us make them squeal . . .

You don't mean ..... dun dun dun .... continue to talk issues ?

I mean I figure that they are silently screaming at the moment.

GF did warn me to be careful about voicing issues.

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[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Amen.

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

So let me get this straight.

You are a supporter of States rights, up until you can blame something on a Democratic President?

Then there are suddenly no States rights?