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Forum Post: My fellow Americans--Wake up! First The Patriot ACT which has been around for years, now NDAA and soon SOPA. We must change the course this country is going in or say hello to Fascism!

Posted 7 years ago on Dec. 15, 2011, 8:10 p.m. EST by Windsofchange (1044)
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I am changing this post--to spur the American people on to protest what is going on in Congress (Fascist bills soon to be law). If we don't throw a monkey-wrench in the clock factory now--then say hello to Fascism. WAKE UP!!!

This is something they should be protesting about. I haven't heard any news about them and how they feel about this bill (soon to become law). I went to their website and saw nothing reported about the NDAA piece of legislation. Why is that?

Every American (not just OWS or the Tea Party) should be in D.C. protesting this. OWS has responded today about this awful bill by putting a coffin of the Bill of Rights on the steps of the Federal court in Manhattan. There were multi-city protests against this bill today as well. There should be many more of these protests/marches. We just can't turn a blind eye to this. This is a red alert issue.**

*BTW, I am NOT attacking the Tea Party people, I am just bewilder why they are not addressing this awful bill in the first place.



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[-] 7 points by theaveng (602) 7 years ago

I'm a Teapartier and I oppose the idea of sending Americans to Guantanamo for decades without trial (indefinite detainment), but what can I do? Not much. I post to Facebook and my idiot friends tell me that it's no big deal. (They also have no problem with sexual groping at airports, or randomly stopping/searching cars along the interstate.)

It seems the only people talking about it are Glenn Beck (who you OWSers think is nuts) and Infowars' Paul Watson and Alex Jones (who is banned from this forum) and RT.com (which is an evil russian organization). So basically the people opposing the bill are being silenced by the very people who should care most.

It's like that poem (modded to fit america)

  • First they rounded-up the japanese Americans (1940s), but nobody cared.
  • Next they rounded-up the Wikileaks hackers (2000s) but nobody cared.
  • Then they rounded-up the Alleged Terrorists (2010s), but nobody cared.
  • .....(I'm waiting to see what the final line will be.)
[-] 4 points by Restorefreedomtoall1776 (272) from Bayonne, NJ 7 years ago

There is a great deal of truth in what you say. Stay tuned. We may need each other in the near future.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Well, your friends, along with other people who just don't see the urgency of the matter and how their Bill of Rights are being violated--will, I hope wake up someday soon.

There is hope yet. You know I was reading about The Patriot Act (about how it was passed and the sections of it that violate our first and fourth amendment rights and all I could think as I was reading it--just where was I when this the Patriot Act passed? How come I was so clueless to what it was about? Why didn't I pay attention?

I can honestly say now, that my eyes are wide open and I am very aware of what is gong on. So there is hope yet for your friends.

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

bad companies list of SOPA sopporters http://nomoresopa.com/wp/?page_id=29

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

i found out on craigslist web site this: http://www.craigslist.org/about/SOPA and then the app to boycott sopa products or companys who support sopa, very strange: http://mashable.com/2012/01/09/boycott-sopa/

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22911) 7 years ago

Obama just announced, 1/14/12, that he will not support SOPA or PIPA as currently written.


[-] 2 points by aloivnafets (12) 7 years ago

First they rounded-up the japanese Americans (1940s), but nobody cared.

Next they rounded-up the Wikileaks hackers (2000s) but nobody cared.

Then they rounded-up the Alleged Terrorists (2010s), but nobody cared. ...

And then they rounded-up the dissenting public (2012), but nobody cared.

Not a joke. WAKE UP.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Thank you! It certainly is not a joke. We are entering into a dystopian society. Welcome to the American Nightmare.

[-] 2 points by jjpatrick (195) 7 years ago

Now, this is something OWS rally around and use to get more Americans to wake up and smell the Military Industrial Complex and the State-Corporate Complex.

I really do think the average American would care about this provision but no media outlet's really covering-- nothing on CNN anyway.

[-] 2 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

There was practically a media blackout in regards to NDAA. This is a prime example how we simply can't trust main stream America for the news.

Also, it is disgusting that on most news shows they have more and more "soft news" put into their news programs. Hey, I like cute animal videos, but I want to hear the real news. This is the dumbing down aspect. And sadly, when people care more about the Kadashians, instead of what laws are being passed in Congress--there is a serious problem with that.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I saw on PBS yesterday the Mclaughlin group. They had a count down of the years most over covered stories, and one of the panel members voted for the OWS coverage as being over the top.

How far out of touch is that? Or what a poor attempt at a hatchet job on the OWS.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Yes, mainstream media is not our friend. They are corporate owned and completely corrupt. OWS is fighting the status quo, so ofcourse they are going to say as many negative things as possible to marginalize the movement. They can't even hide their agenda as it is so obvious what they are doing.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Some shows are such pure crap, you wonder why an environmental clean-up team has not been called in to contain and clean-up the toxins.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Ha-ha. That's funny!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Looks like the spam attacks have been cleaned up.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

It is about time.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Let's hope it lasts.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 7 years ago

Wow! Looks like it.


Now if they can only stop the Libertarians from hacking the index we can get the conversations back to reality.

I posted a new topic post at 1:35pm about Ron Paul's duplicitous votes on Glass-Steagall. Why the posts that are added to the thread appear in the recent posts sidebar the main thread post never appears beck at the top of the index to indicate new posts were added. I have to keep posting into the thread but it never appears in the index.

Here is the topic post http://occupywallst.org/forum/ronpaul-abstained-from-voting-against-repeal-of-gl/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I can't speak to why you are experiencing post difficulties. Your post looks fairly new ( 50 min. ago? ). Perhaps people are trying to get caught up with disrupted business right now and it might take awhile to get to other things.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 7 years ago

I am assuming some techie libertarian who can't handle the truth is blocking it somehow.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I don't see why. Unless you have ticked off an asshole with friends to vote down your posts. But they would have to be right on top of it. And I don't see how that would clear it off of the screen.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 7 years ago

I don't understand it. It is pretty discriminate.

Unless it some how got caught, in part, in the purging of the TV Spammer. Not likely.

I'll re-post the thread in a couple or three hours when I am allowed again.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I tried a mic. check reply on your post. The mic.check comment showed up in the side bar but the post didn't show up on the forum main page.

If it is not being deliberately blocked ( and I don't see how ) then there must be some sort of error.

Try copying out your content from the current post, and then try putting out a new post with a new title bar and paste in your current content in the content box.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 7 years ago

I am glad that someone else is seeing this happen. I am not paranoid at least. Thanks.

I can't post another forum post for a couple of three hours. I will re-post it this evening.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Hopefully it was just a glitch. You look to have a good rating. That is if I am understanding our new numbers correctly.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 7 years ago

Their ratings? I thought they were just number of posts posted or some such silly thing.

I'll accept your glitch theory until proven otherwise. If for no other reason than I hate to sound paranoid. Especially to myself. (;^>)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I think they are supposed to be ratings, though I don't know how they are applied. I have seen some known shitheads with negative numbers.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 7 years ago

That's great.


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago
[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Well, I going to wind down for the night. I just though I leave you with this funny video that hopefully leave you laughing your head off. I shared it with someone else on the forum last week. It is one of my favorite animal commercials. I am a big animal lover by the way.

Anyway, here it is. http://youtu.be/Pk7yqlTMvp8 I can be very silly at times. Goodnight. I will be back on tomorrow.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Thank you I can always use a good laugh. Good Night.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Im assuming with the other people with brains- against it

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

I have to guess that most Tea websites are operated by the establishment. Many are suspect of the same thing here.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Then why aren't they out there make a fuss over this? They are certainly not making their position known about this, this is why I put the post up in the first place. I went to their website and not one word about the NDAA which I thought was bizarre. I thought these people are the kind that will fight tooth and nail over their Bill of Rights--just what is going on here?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

what site?


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.


[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 7 years ago

the tea party platform was weak from its beginnings, more weak than OWS even, the constitutional platform has been aroundfor many years, and is solid, and visionary, however becuase its not as popular like the popular kid in school is. A correlation fallacy found in our youth today, that just because something is popular, doesnt mean it is the best, the popular they think that by being rude to others, it makes them more popular.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 7 years ago

I'm still waiting for someone to show me where in NDAA it says they can detain American citizens indefinatly? I can show you where it says that authority doesn't apply to American Citizens.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 7 years ago

They took away privacy a long time before they actually made it public (and legal) via the Patriot Act. Who is to say that they have not already detained US citizens without trial? The new NDAA is merely a formality...

With SOPA in place, the government will have the power to (without any judicial process or oversight) order ISP's to block access to sites of their choosing.

Now... they will not only have 'legitimate' authority to arrest you for what you may say, they will also have the power to prevent others from receiving your message...

BTW given how our political system is (in effect) limited to two parties, both of which do not seem to want to represent the people, I would say we are pretty much a Fascist state already...

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Yes, there was abuse under the Patriot Act. Look up Jose Padillo for one such example. It is a complete violation of our fourth right amendment (and it does violate our first as well). NDAA is just taking it to the next level.

Yes, we are pretty much in a Fascist state because we have career politicians who are nothing more than corporate puppets. Both parties are part of the problem and not the solution. We need radical reform here and ultimately to get the money out of politics. There are too many bought out politicians in d.c. It's shameful.

[-] 1 points by rin1 (123) 7 years ago

Here's what you can do to help stop the bill - this was a while back but:




There is another campaign somewhere to have Google stop its support and apparently GoDaddy was hacked by Anonymous and they dropped their support for the bill

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Thanks. We need to fight this.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 7 years ago

sopa will mean no more music or movies for free noooooooooooooooooooooo. what the hell do i have the internet for then?

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

It will be used for censorship. Websites could be shut down in the blink of an eye because of SOPA (if it becomes law). It is the equivalent of China's great internet firewall. This fascist bill goes well beyond copyright infringement (that is what they want you to believe it is all about) as it is really about censorship once again.

This is a way of controlling the masses.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 7 years ago

2012 will bring rebellion it is gonna be crazy as the true patriots from all over the political spectrum one way or another unite. as soon as they kill one of us or disappear one of us it is on and make no mistake they will.

[-] 1 points by Least1We1Forget (6) 7 years ago

Did you know America is providing safe haven for Nazi War Criminals?!?!

[-] 2 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Really? Well, now this country will be going down the road of Fascism. I guess that they were learning from the Nazis. It is so sad how far this country has gotten away from the values that made it great in the first place. This is not the America I was once so proud of.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

For those of you just checking in.

Don't forget to petition the Justice Department to start prosecuting the economic criminals. There has to be accountability.

This is why we are here this is why you are needed.


Share, circulate, educate, inspire.

See also people from all walks of life, from all over the political map "not" supporting a party or leader or group of leaders but "supporting an Ideal".


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

This is why we are here this is why you are needed.


Share, circulate, educate, inspire.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Thanks, I haven't seen this movie--but I will look into it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

It is well worth the time. I am trying to push it viral.

This is why we are here this is why you are needed.


Share, circulate, educate, inspire.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

I was watching this today on RT. SOPA is a real threat to our online freedoms. I just can't believe what is going on here. Pinch me, am I still living in America?


[-] 1 points by debbierl (72) from Adams, MA 7 years ago

Ok, we protest. And, then how many Occupiers are going to play the two party election game in 2012. We need to unite in outrage against ALL political entities that betray the people to the corporate/military industrial profit machine. We hold a huge protest on Wall St to support the creation of American jobs and that week they pass the Columbia Free Trade Agreement that will further decrease American jobs and enslave more people to below living wage jobs and subhuman work environments. Why? We fear the big bad Republicans as Obama rules as one. It is insanity. The WHOLE system from the corporations to their political henchmen MUST MUST MUST be protested and we unite and withhold support from all who perpetuate their misery. I think people already know this deep down (many right up front) but since there is no mechanism in place to easily change the system, we cave and skirt the elephant/donkey in the room. Occupy must move beyond this fear. NOW.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Niether party has been representing the American people in years. They are mere puppets who only listen to their corporate "puppet masters". I feel sorry for anyone who thinks some republican or some democrat is going to truly represent them. Time and time again has shown us they care nothing about the 99%, and are only serving the 1%.

We need a third party populist president. We need serious reform among the political candidates: I speak of campaign finance reform, banning lobbyists from D.C., and term limit reform. All this would be helpful. I had it up to hear the with the same old-same old bs. I can't stand how politicians pander to our vote--promising us the sun, the moon, and the sky and of course the minute they get into office they ignore us. They accomplish not one of the things they promised. Enough is enough already!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Yes I will tweet this also. But not today as I just got spanked for my last one. Need to be careful as tweeting is a ( can be ) powerful tool.

Also: "BTW" ? I'm not very up on acronym or text speak.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Sorry, you got spanked for spreading the word. It is amazing how people can spread what I call "fluffy fluff" news and it could be plastered all over the place, but spread the word on some real issues and forget about it.

BTW, stands for By the way.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Yeah and you would think since it was all 1st contacts that it would be OK. Hell they even let porno tweet.

BTW thanks for the education.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

It is now or never--use your voice or lose it. We are at that critical point where it will happen.

[-] 1 points by twisted1 (2) from Jacksonville, FL 7 years ago

There busy cleaning there guns & stocking up on food and ammo for the war ! Protesting will soon be illeagle so whats the point.

[-] 2 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

I am afraid you are right about the whole protesting will be illegal thing.

Yup, it's going in that direction.

[-] 1 points by fishb8 (62) 7 years ago

Hard to track those TEA guys down. They have jobs and lives and homes and stuff , , ,and aren't just camped out in some park or intersection somewhere easy to trip over.

[-] 2 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Hey, this is the Bill of Rights we are talking about--they should be concerned. Even you should be concerned.

[-] 0 points by theaveng (602) 7 years ago

They are concerned. Lots of them are speaking-out against it, including the originator f the Teaparty get-togethers Ron Lawl (who gets his name censored on this forum).


[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Good, I am happy to hear this. There needs to be many protests in D.C. by all Americans over this rape of our Bill of Rights, also over the Patriot Act that should be repealed as it violates our first and fourth amendment rights.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 7 years ago

is that their excuse for doing nothing to stop our rights from being trampled they are too busy with their lives. typical tea party bullshit.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

I say this again--Tea Party people--if you care about your Bills of Rights being violated--you (as well as all Americans) should be in D.C. protesting.

You should mention the NDAA bill on your website. This should be a concern for you.

[-] 0 points by LongDaysnight (354) 7 years ago

Um you know those Paul people here? They are here and screaming about all of this. Ron PauI was the real tea partyer till the RUPUG establishment cooped.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Yes, Ron Paul was, but the tea party sites I visited at the time of this post, said nothing about it. I understand that the Arizona Tea Party people protested in front of John McCain's house, as he was one of the people who drafted this bill.

So, there is some reaction from the tea party, but I think it should be much greater than that. The same with this movement. If our Bill of Rights go--we are done!

[-] 0 points by LongDaysnight (354) 7 years ago

Yes that is the point of a co-op to make all look like the coop.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I don't know if you believe in the Bible. I do. People should pay attention to the book of revelations. Why? Because we are living in the end times of the rule ( misrule ) of man. Is the end of the world happening tomorrow? No. Next year? I don't think so. Ten years from now? I suppose it is possible. But I would not by any stretch of the imagination count on it. It could be sooner and it could be later. But I do think it will be real soon, but not you know as in a couple of weeks or years. We are running out of prophecies to be fulfilled. You will really know that it is happening almost immediately when you here that all of the peoples of the world are praying to their governments for peace.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

I am a christian and I am very aware of the book of Revelations and what it says. Yes, indeed, prophesies are being fulfilled. We are in end times.

Pray, pray, pray and prepare yourself and your family the best you can for what is to come.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Thank you. I was getting concerned that this might be a taboo subject for those who are railing against the dark while taking part in the 99% or OWS movements for change.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Well, according to guidelines they don't want us really getting into religious theories. However, the truth is the truth. Prophecies have been coming through. We are seeing things happening right before our very eyes that is very, very alarming.

If you want to click on my name and email me on this forum, I have stuff I can share with you (regarding prophecies).

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Thanks I will. But I would prefer to stir consciousness and consideration for our actions or lack there-of, Here in the main stream. I believe that it has much to do with our movements the 99% & Occupy. How we make change as well as why. Separation of church and state is all well and good. But I believe we need to support moral thinking as well as action. I believe we got to this place in time due to the slow death of moral conscience/awareness.

[-] 3 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

You know one of the things that turned me onto this movement early on? It was when a bunch of representatives of different religions marched around Wall Street with a paper mache of a Golden Calf representing Greed. I thought that was a great message to send Wall Street (spotlighting their worship of money and power). They just did a march with it in front of Capitol Hill today. I really appreciate that they did this.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

I appreciate as well because I believe that it goes to the heart of the problems in this country. Separation of church and state may well be a very good thing ( & I believe it is ) but censoring the promotion of moral values ( not someones church or religion ) I believe would be a wrong direction for anyone to take.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Yes, kids are being taught that there is no right and wrong which is absurd. It is because of this nonsense being taught to them that their moral compass is broken.

Check out the song by Carmen "We need God in America again". It points out the moral decay in our society very well.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

All the more reason to promote awareness and consideration where ever we can when ever we can.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Agreed. Now, I got to wind down for the night. Talk to you some time again. Good night.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Me too. Take care.

[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 7 years ago

Bushbama has issued his NDAA Signing Statement:


Here is mine:

Americans must not be distracted by Corporate Fascist Puppet Barack Obama saying "my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens" in his signing statement for the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (H.R.1540). Presidential "signing statements" are political propaganda with no Constitutional basis. A President who breaches a signing statement covenant faces no more consequences than any other corrupt politician who renegs on a promise. By signing NDAA and attempting to give its unconstitutional provisions the force of law, Barack Hussein Obama became complicit with all of the bought-and-paid-for U.S. Senators and Representatives who voted for this bill, and along with them should be charged with Seditious Conspiracy under U.S. Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 115 Section 2384. Unless and until these vermin are arrested, charged and removed from office, I will no longer consider the government they infest to be legitimate.

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[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

President Obama's signing statement is just b.s. to subdue the masses into thinking that it diffuses this ticking time bomb of a law that will destroy this country from the inside out. Signing statements don't mean much. To further what you said.

The Constitution does not authorize the President to use signing statements to circumvent any validly enacted Congressional Laws, nor does it authorize him to declare he will disobey such laws (or parts thereof). When a bill is presented to the President, the Constitution (Art. II) allows him only three choices: do nothing, sign the bill, or (if he disapproves of the bill) veto it in its entirety.

I love you signing statement. Very Well said. IronBoltBruce for President 2012. Down with this treasonous Congress and President. Power to the People!

[-] 0 points by RussellFeingold (55) 7 years ago

How did you find out about the NDAA? Not on TV. You read about it on the Internet, right? Bye bye Internet. Here comes SOPA with its Chinese style censorship.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Yes, I learned about it online as did others since their was a media blackout about this (only a few mentioned it such as the Judge from Freedom Watch on Fox.)

Wow, I never thought American would adopt China's great internet firewall. That just shows how far we have fallen.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

They probably feel that in their being more affluent, that it's for everyone else.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Oh, yes, the "it doesn't apply to me" attitude. It is amazing how disconnected people are from things.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Heads-up I'm going to post a reality check for the 1% in a couple of minutes. You might get a chuckle or two, I hope.

[-] 0 points by Doc4the99 (591) from Washington, DC 7 years ago

Tea party ows etc. We need to repeal this bill

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Absolutely and not only this bill, but the Patriot Act as well.

Here is the Judge from Freedom Watch sounding off on The Patriot Act. It is crazy that this bill every became law in the first place. If the American people were tuned in--this would never have been allowed. http://youtu.be/IvRWjFLvXZI

[-] 0 points by Tinhorn (285) 7 years ago

Which part of it?

[-] 0 points by MASTERdBATER (15) 7 years ago

section 1031

[-] -1 points by Tinhorn (285) 7 years ago

You mean the section that clearly states that and I quote

"(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.— (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States. (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

So you must mean that you want it to say that it should extend to United States citizens because the actual bill clearly says it doesn't.

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

My guess is the Industrial Military Complex factions in that group receive large funding out of it. I dunno, but, I'd just about bet on it.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

That's an interesting take on it.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

I'd bet on it............ this pretty much sums them up...

meet the new guard

same as the old guard

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 7 years ago

I'm all for it, definitely. Listen, nobody listens to Napolitano in light of her total failure as Sec of Homeland. We know she's full of crap.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Okay, Mr. Tea Party Patriot tell your friends--spread the word.

This bill (soon to be a law) will not only greatly affect this movement, but the Tea party as well. So they should be out there protesting.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 7 years ago

Nah... the goal of the Dem party was to allow Homeland Security to amend 1032 itself... and Napolitano occupies a key position here.

But if it is your intent to become a belligerent who supports terrorism, well then guess what... we have a place for you.

You know we have a lot of people here, some stand on the left, some stand on the right... and in the process of vying for our minds, they are creating issues where none need exist. Issues do NOT exist unless they are voiced, unless they are created. Unless you are Tally-ban, this is NOT an issue; this is America.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

I realize I misread your answer last night. I urge you to look up the Patriot and see how our first and fourth amendment rights are easily violated by it. This act was push through without any of those in Congress actually reading the bill. http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12/05/120511-news-militarized-police-1-6/ http://youtu.be/IvRWjFLvXZI

There was abuse under the Patriot Act and mark my words you will see that there will be abuse under NDAA. Our Government is getting more and more orwellian by the minute. We are going in a bad direction

IN regards to the REAL TERRORISTS they need to be apprehended and locked away in Gitmo, but even they-- I think deserves a trial. If we call ourselves a civilized nation we should follow the Geneva Convention laws and treat our POW's and these terrorists accordingly. If we don't follow the Geneva Convention laws, then we are no better than those rogue nations that brutally kill their political prisoners, POW's, and those they deem as spies and/or terrorists.

This country has always been above the things listed in NDAA, and now we are no better than the countries we used to look down on because they did not follow the Geneva Convention laws. So sad how far we fallen.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 7 years ago

I think it's a question of perception.

What I see are Chinese AK47s arriving by the shipload and a growing Islamic presence in South America that is training as we speak with the drug cartels. I see a US government that is intent on disarming us while simultaneously arming them, that has given no indication whatsoever that it intends to provide any form of security to Americans.

I see criminal activity here on the rise; without the police to contain their activity there would be no safe haven for anyone anywhere in the US.

I also see an ever increasing predilection in our society for both radicalism and violence.

And the days of community policing are over because the police officer can no longer command the respect of the thug; his hands have been tied and there is no fear.

Tactics have changed; they are intended as the counterbalance. The police now rely on overwhelming numbers, visual intimidation, and training to the point of incision... precision made possible only with equipment and technology. The purpose is to limit violence; to contain the level of violence. It's a tool, it's effective, and we absolutely need this counterbalance.

I support the Patriot Act because it authorizes the use of tools necessary to counter terrorism; all have a right to feel safe and secure in their homes... and to remain so we have to increase our surveillance of the clandestine activity of the criminal.

Domestic terrorism... Well, I'm not really in favor of that, either. And I think there are far too many in this country blinded by their safe isolation; a safety only possible through the efforts of policing on many levels.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Here check this out. I am too tired to give you a more thorough reply right now.. http://youtu.be/IvRWjFLvXZI This is a commentary from the Judge on Freedom Watch talking about the Patriot ACT. This was the link I meant to forward you earlier.

[-] 0 points by MASTERdBATER (15) 7 years ago

Lack of main stream media coverage. No one knows. Get the word to the masses and the people will act.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

Are you trying to tell anyone that the TPers don't watch Cspan all day long?

This didn't slip under anyone's radar that gives a tinker's damn about what's happening in DC. My money says they had lobbyists laying down satchels packed full of money and promises.... to get it passed.

[-] 0 points by MASTERdBATER (15) 7 years ago

I think OWS should take some donation proceeds and hire attorney's that will place charges against these people. Charges of TREASON. I'm sure it won't get anywhere, but I bet it would help bring the subject to light and get the exposure it needs.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

Reposted for ironboltbruce:

CALL TO ACTION: USE NASI SARS TO CHARGE YOUR REPRESENTATIVE & SENATORS WITH SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY Global Revolution 1: American Revolution 2: Day 85: Communication 1 IronBoltBruce's Kleptocracy Chronicles for 10 Dec 2011 (g1a2d0085c1) Will you go quietly like the Jews, or make a stand against Fascism?

The corporate powers that be have been attempting to redirect the wrath of the Occupy Wall Street movement to their puppet politicians in Washington DC since day one. And by yet another coincidence - or more likely design - the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA) now forces our attention in that direction. This Act was passed by both the U.S. House of Representatives (H.R.1540) and the U.S. Senate (S.1867), and now lacks only the signature of Bushbama to become law. If he signs it, the corporate fascist takeover of America initially exposed and delayed by USMC General Smedley Butler in the 1930s will be complete:


Section 1031 of the NDAA as currently worded authorizes the President to use Military Force to detain indefinitely based on suspicion alone and without trial American citizens on American soil, effectively making the United States a Police State similar to Nazi Germany. You can read the wording here:


This is in direct conflict with and an overt attempt to override the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments to the Constitution:

"Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."


93 of our 100 Senators and 322 of our 435 Representatives voted to make this Orwellian scenario the law of the land. You will find the names of these criminals listed here:



What follows is my layman's legal justification for refering to these corporate puppets as "criminals", and a call to action to all Americans to assure that their crimes do not go unpunished. I am not an attorney, and certainly not a constitutional lawyer. If you are - or if you know and can afford one - I invite you to take this ball and run with it:

Pursuant to Article 6 of the Constitution, every member of both houses of Congress is required to take the following oath of office: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."



In voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 and thereby override our Constitution and Bill of Rights, 93 Senators and 322 Representatives clearly violated their oath of office. But unsurprisingly, they face no legal penalty for their "breach of oath":


In conspiring to pass a bill that would enable the use of military force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution the of 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments, however, these 415 servants of the Kleptocracy committed "Seditious Conspiracy", a federal crime punishable by up to 20 years imprisonment:


"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."



I am asking all American citizens to check the following links to see if their Senators or Representatives are among the 415 that need to be arrested and charged with Seditious Conspiracy:



If they are, I recommend you report them using the most expeditious tool for assuring that all federal, state and local law enforcement agencies who need to get involved are properly informed, and that is the Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting (SAR) Initiative, or "NaSI" for short. SAR links for all 50 states are available here:


This is no joke. This is no drill. This may be our last chance to peacefully restore the Republic. And even if you might not consider our Republic worth saving, I suggest you help imprison THEM before they imprison YOU.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Wow, Frogswithwings this is some reply. You put much thought into this. Thank you.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

As stated at the intro of the copy and paste:

Reposted for ironboltbruce:

It's his work and there was also another similar two regarding this same issue on the forum today.

One called to prosecute them for Sedition and Treason, the other called for Treason, I believe via an Article V Constitutional Convention.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Okay, thanks.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Oh, yes, a media black out on this subject. This is why I will never trust main stream media again. This is a serious, serious issue and next to none of them covered it. That tells you something right there.

Yes, I have been getting the word out. This is really something that no one could afford to ignore.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 7 years ago

It's actually a really sad day. Fox News was the only media outlet to give it any real coverage. Napolitano has been talking about it for weeks. I guess the Daily Show brought it up last week after the bill had passed the senate.

But yeah i don't trust the national news media for shit. Did you know we've been using drones to missile strike Yemen and Pakistan for the past 2 years? Where is the media coverage on that shit?

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Yes, I watch the Judge on Freedom Watch he was very on the ball about all this. I am so happy that at least he was talking about it.

In regards to the other matter, it's like they really want to pull us into another war, that is why this stuff is being done. And yes, our good all media, can be relied on to NOT give us the real news. They fill up their news program with so many fluffy-fluff news stories to dumb-down and pacify the masses. Sadly, it is working too well.

[-] 0 points by MASTERdBATER (15) 7 years ago

Do you think we will still call it America, or are they gonna rename it?

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Well, I'll be bold here, since we are going the Fascist route it will be Amerika or the United Fascist States of America. Mind you, it is not original, but if we keep going down the road we presently on--then that will be our country's new name.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 7 years ago

We're all living in Amerika, Coca-Cola, sometimes WAR, We're all living in Amerika, Amerika, Amerika.

A German song, partly in English, about how America reigns over world culture and politics—for good or bad.


[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Thank for the video--boy, that sure rings true. We all living in Amerika!

Well, it was good while it lasted, now this country is going to start to resemble countries that we stood against in WWII. What a shame!

[-] -1 points by RussellFeingold (55) 7 years ago

The Tea Party never existed. It was a fully funded scion of the Republican party. The Tea Party is North Korea and the Republican Party is China. The Republicans live vicariously through the Tea Party. Through their Tea Party puppets, the Republicans could say all the politically incorrect things that would get them condemned by the mainstream media.

This excellent Rolling Stone article exposed the truth about the Tea Party:


[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago


So, I will broaden my statement; Why isn't all Americans out there protesting over the NDAA bill? I really think this fascist bill calls for emergency protesting. What does it take for the American people to wake up and protest in D.C.? Where is the outrage?

I am just so frustrated at this time. I hope that OWS has more protest/marches over this. This just can't be ignored.

[-] 0 points by RussellFeingold (55) 7 years ago

I agree. Next week the nation formerly known as the USA will cease to exist with the President signing NDAA and Congress passing SOPA. Even Richard Nixon could not get away with this crime. Americans were too smart and too well informed in Nixon's time. It has been made possible by Television, the most insidious propaganda machine ever invented. TV has numbed the minds and drained the souls of two generations of Americans.

But don't Americans deserve to be punished for the profligate slaughter that they unleashed on the 3rd world since Sept 11, 2001? The Frankenstein monster that Americans created has now turned against its Creators. It is poetic justice.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

And so the nightmare begins. We are our own worst enemies. Many Americans are lazy, self-aborbed, and complacent and has very little critical thinking skills. They will keep buying into the lies and things will get worse. Who knows what other bills will be popping up in Congress. The floodgates has been opened.

It time for mass protesting and for mass boycotting (boycott Hollywood and The Music industry until they pull this bill out of Congress or it is repealed (if it does pass). We need to take action now, or we deserve what we get.

[-] 0 points by RussellFeingold (55) 7 years ago

Hollywood and the Music Industry did not invent SOPA. That's a ruse. SOPA was invented back in 2000 by the US Congress, when the Internet first appeared. But Congress doesn't want you to know that they stabbed you in the back, so they handed SOPA to Hollywood.

For 50 years (1950 - 2000) the US Government, through the FCC, maintained total control over the minds of Americans with TV. Then this wild untamed beast called the Internet appeared in 1998, which grew and multiplied rapidly, right inside their own prison, and extended its tentacles through the prison bars to touch the outside world. They cannot allow the Internet and still maintain their mind control.

Contrary to popular myth, Ronald Reagan did not destroy the Soviet Union. The computer and the primitive Internet (28K modems attached to telephones with rubber suction cups) destroyed the Soviet Union. They cannot allow the same thing to happen to the USA.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 7 years ago

Well, no doubt the internet is a powerful thing. I have friends from all around the world that I keep in touch via email. Social networking sites are very powerful--the Arab spring revolution got kicked off through social networking. Well, I guess they really feel threatened by all that.

Hollywood should not allow people to believe that they are behind this. I read numerous articles regarding SOPA and it was said over and over that Hollywood, The Music Industry and the Chambers of Commerce were the biggest supporters of this bill. Well, our Congress are truly cowards putting the blame on those three for this draconian bill.