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Forum Post: Job Creators

Posted 3 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 7:36 p.m. EST by ithinkergoiam (201)
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Job Creators have benefited on the receiving end of the “Social Contract”:

Publically Funded School System Publically Funded Legal System Publically Funded Patent System Publically Funded Agriculture System (i.e. Food) Publically Funded Defense System Publically Funded Postal System Publically Funded Highway System Publically Funded Railroad System Publically Funded Bridge System Publically Funded Airport System Publically Funded Air Traffic Control System Publically Funded Air Safety System Publically Funded Shipping and Maritime System Publically Funded Telecommunications Infrastructure System Publically Funded Food Safety System Publically Funded Power Generation System Publically Funded Electrical Distribution System Publically Funded Water Distribution System Publically Funded Water Treatment System Publically Funded Environmental Oversight System Publically Funded Environmental Remediation System Publically Funded Coastal Remediation and Maintenance System Publically Funded Forest Resource Oversight System

Publically Funded Public Safety Systems Police Fire Civil Defense FEMA Medical Emergency Response National Guard Publically Funded Disaster Warning Systems Publically Funded Disease Control System Publically Funded Disease Research (Center For Disease)

Publically Funded Medical Research System Publically Funded Research and Development Publically funded creation of the Transistor Publically funded creation of the entire Semiconductor Industry as we know it... Publically funded creation of the Digital Computer. Publically funded creation of the Internet. Publically funded creation of the Global Positioning System (GPS). Publically funded creation of the Cell Phone Publically funded creation of “Spread Spectrum” Radio Publically funded creation of the countless (i.e. thousands) of other modern day conveniences, appliances, devices, software, and other technologies - in such areas as:

Energy Medicine Biotechnology Nanotechnology Aerospace Software Structural Engineering Civil Engineering Building Construction Ship Construction Airplane Design and Safety Robotics Etc... Etc...

Not to mention, Publically Funding the rebuilding of Europe and Japan after World War II Publically Funding the Security of the “Free and Democratic World” Publically Funding the Fall of the Communist Soviet Union (i.e. the Cold War) Publically Funding the lions share of the rise of the Communist Chinese.....

Publically Funding the lions share of the “Rise of the Global Economy” through our public investments – investments that many of the world’s countries are now exploiting for profit (and we aren’t)....

Despite all of these benefits accrued by the Job Creators in their rise to the top economically, they are now breaking their end of the “Social Contract” by creating all of the jobs overseas....

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[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 3 years ago

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[-] 1 points by captaindoody (339) from Elizabethville, PA 3 years ago

Shorter. Use less words.

[-] 1 points by BigDikdJew (61) from Stratford, CA 3 years ago

You're getting dumber and dumber, so we need to go to other countries to look for smart people.

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

I thought that you were busy sucking yourself off?

[-] 1 points by BigDikdJew (61) from Stratford, CA 3 years ago

You mean you were thinking of me sucking myself off?

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

Noooo

You were thinking of sucking your doberman off....

[-] 1 points by morriden (128) from Burton, MI 3 years ago

People want to learn what they want to learn.. I have a brother that has a master in philosophy, he became a banker with it because he knew someone. 95% of jobs today are filled by who you know not because your qualified. You can find this even on yahoo.

In europe most find jobs through apprenticeships despite all their degrees.

We should be able to learn what we want to learn and having the ability to want to learn is enough to take any job.. Most people learn by doing and all jobs requre training. Who the hell cares about what degree they have. The degree shows they took the time to learn and have the ability to.

Any intelligent person can learn most jobs today. Don't use this excuse that we all took a degree there is not a job for. That is one very poor excuse!!

[-] 2 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

It's a race to the bottom dude...

50 cent per day Chinese labor, and zero allegiance to this country!

[-] 1 points by morriden (128) from Burton, MI 3 years ago

I am a Anthropologist who studies asian culture, believe me I know the woes.

Dont expect to find much work in China other than teaching english. They have the same problems we do. There are millions of educated, over qualified and out of work collage grads in every field you can think of. However there are an equal number of under qualified no education workers too.

However in china today, they are not happy with 50 cent wages anymore.

As their economy advances, so does their need for pay. They are demanding equal wages as Americans and more. So the sweat shops are moving to Mexico now or back to the US where they can sadly pay us a crappier wage than before because we Americans are so in need wel will take anything.

Check the news about Jobs from Asia moving back to the US. Its because China's economy advanced to a level they refuse to make our cheap crap anymore.

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

OK -- some of this is indeed the case, but it's not quite that way yet...

Americam jobs, technology and capital is still flooding the Chinese mainland....

Our politicians need to wake up...

[-] 1 points by morriden (128) from Burton, MI 3 years ago

American jobs? No.. Iv done ethnographic research with the Local Chinese and those who go to the US for their education. Their government does not want forigeners taking their native people's jobs just as much as we dont.

technology and capital... YES I agree.. The Chinese government is starting to pick up on this and kick us out. As our dollar goes into the shitter their need on us is decreasing. Sadly our need on China is growing for they own tons of rare minerals we dont have and they do.
As the US tries to quite litterly fuck with China with trade laws.Quite litterly our diplomates not understanding the chinese cultire, causing alot of grief. By the end of it all our next real war will be with the 1 million man Chinese army.

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

maybe... but they have quite literally stolen or copied virtually every single technological advancement that they now enjoy...

Somehow I still believe that America will prevail...

[-] 1 points by morriden (128) from Burton, MI 3 years ago

That is their culture.. Adapt or die. If we were in their shoes and all this forigen tech came in, I would copy the hell out of it and make it my own. This is using their culture as an example.

So yes they did copy everything but we introduced it to them first for it to be copied. We didnt, like idots study and understand their culture.

If America is to prevail we need to adapt or die as well. I am hesitant to say that the day of boundaries is coming to a close. The day of a single nation is ending and the birth of a unified people is approaching.

Will this boundryless world be a star trek federation of epic peaceful utopia exist. Or the nutty christian's and their wacky biblical translation of the anti-christ's world terror organization prevail...Wooooooooooo

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

The Venezuelans who I hire make more than the average hourly American wage, which is $33/hour.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

Most of the people who I've been hiring don't even have degrees. They're self-trained, passionate people. Many of the new high-skill jobs that the economy is creating are open to anybody with any degree or with no degree, as long as eh can do it. If you want an example of a way to get a good, high-paying job without an appropriate degree then please visit http://railsforzombies.com for free training, and then google "ruby on rails jobs" for thousands of job listings.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

I create jobs. I would hire Americans if I could. I can't find enough qualified Americans, so I've been hiring Venezuelans. Not because they're cheaper, they're not. They get paid more than the average American hourly wage, which is $33/hour. Mover $60k per year. I hire them not because they're cheap but because they can do it. There are jobs available, but there is also a lack of qualified workers. So don't blame the job creator for creating jobs, blame the American worker for failing to prepare for the jobs that are available.

[-] 1 points by lolwut101 (35) 3 years ago

Too many Americans running around with History, Art, and Philosophy degrees that expect a job to fall in their laps. People need to stop hearing that they can make it in anything they want to do, and rather need to get suggestions on what is in demand.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

It's not hard to figure out how to get a job. Learn to build web sites and the world is your oyster.

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

I'm an experienced Electrical Engineer/Electronics Engineer/Software Engineer...

Will you hire me?

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

My particular need is for Ruby on Rails web developers. But I'm not the only guy around who is eliminating low-skill jobs while creating new high-skill jobs. The irony here is that my company is a venture-funded startup, which means that Wall Street greed is what is creating the jobs that I've got available.

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

But what are your thoughts about my comments regarding the Social Contract...I'm curious what a Job Creator has to say...

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

So are you hiring American Software Developers?

I'm a Microsoft ASP.Net expert...

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

I'm hiring qualified Rubyists from any country. I've got Venezuelans, a guy in Mexico, a Swede, a guy in Canada... I would prefer to hire Americans who live near me, or near our main office, but after four years of trying I've nearly given up on the idea. If you're a .Net expert then you should have no problem finding a job.

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

I have one, but thanks for the info...

I'm currently developing custom embedded systems for the casino industry, and proud to be an American Engineer...

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

I'm also proud to be an American engineer, but I really worry about the future of American engineering. There are a lot more Americans willing to spend all day using a site like Facebook than there are who are willing to spend all day learning how to BUILD a site like Facebook. And obviously the web is just one example of what I mean. Americans seem to lump the (plentiful) technical jobs that the economy is creating into the jobs that nobody here wants because they're 'too hard', like landscaping or housekeeping.

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

Yeah --

I don't know man...

It just seems to me that this whole thing is really about the race to the bottom...

Exploitation of the cheapest labor with no regard or thoughts of responsibility to the system that got them where they are...

We have lost our sense of Country and responsibility to it to a large extent...

Remember our labor market conforms to the laws of supply and demand...

An increase in the supply of labor reduces the cost of labor and therfore the degree with which Americans are interested in fullfilling that labor...

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

As I just mentioned in another post, the foreigners who I hire make more than the average American hourly wage, which is $33/hour.

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

Yeah, but if they are indeed software engineers then your shouldn't compare them to an hourly waged employee...

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

They're paid by the hour, so the comparison is valid. American Rubyists could have these jobs, but I can't find any. The cause of these jobs getting exported is the gap between the necessary job skills and worker skills. That isn't Wall Street's fault and it isn't my fault. It's the American worker's fault. It has been no secret for DECADES that there would be plentiful software jobs in the future. The future is now, and America failed to prepare for it.

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

Yeah --- I still think that alot of companies are hiring foreign engineers because they can pay them less...

I have seen this many times in my career...

The irony is, at least in my experience, the American Engineer is usually significantly better than the Indian Engineer...

That's my experience across 25 years of hardcore cutting edge capitalism...

That's not a racist or jingoistic comment -- that's been my experience...

I do, however, agree that we need to do a much better job creating new engineers and scientists...

[-] 1 points by mattthecapitalist (157) 3 years ago

Job creators are not required to create jobs solely in the United States.

[-] 0 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

UAgggg!

You've got to be kidding me....

Sorry dopes everywhere...

[-] 1 points by mattthecapitalist (157) 3 years ago

not sure how I am supposed to reply... I think you probably agree with me though

[-] 1 points by ithinkergoiam (201) 3 years ago

NOT

[-] 1 points by mattthecapitalist (157) 3 years ago

well, throw your points on here... we will have a nice discussion

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

(That seems unlikely.)