Forum Post: Its Official. Public opinion turning against OWS
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 11:28 a.m. EST by MikeyD
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/04/us-usa-protests-newyork-idUSTRE7A28MD20111104
A Quinnipiac University poll on Thursday showed 39 percent of U.S. voters have an unfavorable view of Occupy Wall Street and 30 percent favor it. The October 25-31 survey of 2,294 registered voters had an error margin 2.1 percentage points.
Uh oh.
I've said it before. I like the energy in OWS. What I can't stand are a bunch of whiners with nothing to offer for fixing the problems they see. Instead, OWS is synonymous with a bunch of tweens having a fit in our parks, streets, and businesses while negatively affecting the lives of everyone they should be reaching out to. These kind of polls are only going to get worse if OWS does not demonstrate the maturity, leadership, and courage to develop what it sees as solutions and stick with them.
It is a bit difficult to do these things when they are fighting against horrific police brutality and a political system that takes things like heat away from them.
Funny how people who obey the laws and respect police officers are never victims of police brutality. Weird!
And the political system that took your heat away is the same political system that you continually defy and ignore and should have put your trespassing, law defying rear ends in jail a long time ago. Yet they haven't.....those vicious animals!
We should demand a tax refund for the park land we can't use because they are there.
And the businesses they are hurting and the windows they broke and the job losses they cause and the freaking overtime we're paying the police to protect us from them and vice versa.
Yes. Definitely. And trespassing and littering fines as well.
So... Two Time Iraqi War Vet?
A two time Iraqi War vet KNOWS exactly what comes out of the end of guns, what it feels like to be hit with non-lethal rounds and what a set-in police line means. He also knows that those men had sworn to obey their commanding officer, and would do so.
He didn't have to be there. He CHOSE to be there. Stop acting like the police didn't show up at his house while he was innocently chilling with his friends.
I'm a bit blown away that you're ok with a militant police force launching tear gas into crowds in your own country. Do you hate your fellow Citizens?
I'm a bit blown away that you are ok with defying the laws and disrupting the lives of everyone around you with absolute disrespect for the men and women who put their lives on the line every day to protect you and your property and loved ones!
You think it's perfectly fine for you to exhibit disgust and hate for YOUR fellow citizens-which INCLUDES the police-but you cannot fathom it when they treat you in the same manner.
I have no difficulty with the Police. I have difficulty with Police Brutality. Having an effective Police force is absolutely necessary for a healthy society. One only needs to look to America in the 1800s to see that truth.
If we're to pull off any kind of change we'll need the help of the police, not their brutality.
Then might I suggest you STOP provoking them? One of the most basic human truths is that people you disrespect and ignore and treat poorly are not inclined to treat you any differently.
Can you link me to the Video where we are? I'd very much like to see this provoking we've been doing to warrant police officers taking someone's dog and killing it.
You mean the newest "lie" about police officers by people trying to "support OWS"??? Good thing you guys don't fall for everything you read huh? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
http://www.poponono.com/police-fatally-shoot-dog-at-adams-morgan-festival
The "dog" that was supposedly shot during an OWS protest was killed in Washington DC LAST YEAR-Sept 2010
Horrific police brutality? Are you joking? Take a stroll in North-Korea, then come back and talk about horrific police brutality.
It's all the same to me. An abuse of power there is the same as an abuse of power here.
If it's all the same, do you mind me changing the adjective horrific to slight?
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/welcome-to-north-korea/
I prefer to keep strong words attached to strong actions.
you are a fuckin pussy if you think anything police in Oakland or NYC have done is horrific.
You are a fuckin pussy, like all of the OWS whiners.
Take a stand on something real and quit whining
I'm sorry you live in a world of hate. I'm sorry you feel the need to come here and spread that hate. I do hope things improve for you.
things are fine dude.
Just listening to you bitch about how horrific things are is disgusting.
and it detracts from the movement.
and it is bullshit too.
And spreading bullshit is spreading hate, and I am a hate hater.
I am sorry you are such a little pussy; you probably live in wburg.
You stated that any abuse of power equals any other abuse of power. Thus, a small action equals a big one. Thus, any adjective can be used. I abused my power yesterday. I forced my wife to let me make a coffee before she could use the pot to boil some rice. Your argument is that this is similar to all other forms of power abuse. Thus, I believe we can use the adjective slight instead of horrific.
Ok, if it is of value to you, you win the argument. It is utterly meaningless to me.
Alright, can you edit your first post and change horrific to slight. Thank you.
the people thought the government would respond
Force Change, Boycott Capitalism until we have full government resignation and a new online voting system with verification so we can rebuild our country and eventually our world.
We know what the problem is, let us fix it and move forward together.
When you look at a republican or democrat, congress or FDA official, Judges and Justice Department, you see criminals.
Our corruption dates back decades to when those, who in trying to preserve slavery, had to find new ways to preserve it and so created a scientific and advanced form of slavery.
Only two components were required -- the illusion of freedom & choice and the taking away of the freedom to live off the land.
How else would you get a person to submit themselves to mind numbing or degrading work unless you oppress them into it.
Our current system is rooted in corruption and every attempt in preserving it involves manipulating human thought and turning people against one another.
In America the population has been transformed into two major voting groups but they only have one choice.
They had been distracted up until now with television and American culture which prospered through the oppression of other nations.
Americans allowed themselves to be fooled into using their military and economic dominance to seize resources of other nations and create expanding markets for American profiteers.
Now that technology, competition and conscience have evolved Americans are realizing that our current system of government is damaging and unsustainable.
Our government officials have allowed private profits and personal benefits to influence decisions that affect the health and well-being of people all over the planet, not just in America... how much longer will we allow them to rule over us??
Occupy Washington and demand that all government officials resign their posts.
We will setup new online elections with a verification system that will allow us to see our votes after we cast them, put our new officials in office and work toward rebuilding our country and our world.
Pass this message along to any and everyone, we already occupy the world, unite.
Occupy Washington, Boycott Capitalism, Force Change
http://wesower.org
You are a testament to why our popularity is plummeting.
sirens everyone of them
NO WAR
http://occupywallst.org/forum/no-war/
one working group offered the 99% Declaration but it was taken off the website. read it here: https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/?tmpl=%2Fsystem%2Fapp%2Ftemplates%2Fprint%2F&showPrintDialog=1
Wow, it looks like they want to become Canada like. Cool!
Canada is the 51st state. Nothing to emulate here, and i'm a canadian!
The US is just the over populated, poorly run 14th province. Who's in charge of the IMF? We are, bitches
I could have swore they were asking for healthcare for all, money out of politics, security for the poor, etc...
we do have a pretty good healthcare system but our income/wealth gap problem is at least as bad as yours and the corprotocracy rules supreme here too. Our third party is a joke. OWS 99ers need to get out of the camps and hit the campaign trail. The Declaration may not be perfect but it's a plan of ACTION. It's in everyones best interest to support you. Dissolving the occupation voluntarily and taking it to the next level will strike fear into the powers that be (TPTB). Fare well!
I'm a French Canadian. I believe OWS is highly influenced by Québec politics which have always tended to lean towards the left. My opinion is that OWS is modeled after Québec anarchist movements.
ok but is that a good thing? is it going to carry the day and bring about any significant change? For what it's worth my opinion is that the act of occupation has served it's purpose and more of the same will be the movements undoing. OWS needs to begin :Moving Forward. A movement that requires it's followers (and protractors ie police) to suffer through winter to prove it's point is acting irresponsibly.
It's west vs. west. No matter what, the east wins. Can't even say Ron Lawl anymore.
I believe OWS will create more harm than good. They're already starting to act like mobs. I agree with you that funneling their energy through organization would be preferable at this point. And, you're right, sleeping in tents during winter is not the best headquarters from which to design good rational plans that can hope to save American, Canadian, and other political systems.. When you're freezing all the time, you can't think. We are from Canada, we know that ;-)
The problem is I believe this was planned by OWS. They want there supporters to be confused since it adds to the chaos. Let me just repost what I wrote in another thread:
I believe the people behind OWS are very smart anarchists. They designed the movement to make it look like there are no leaders, but everything was well prepared. They wanted Occupy factions to pop up in many cities in America, and across the world. They wanted these factions to remain independent of each other in order to increase chaos amongst the movement. They know direct democracy doesn't scale, and this is why they use it. As each Occupy faction grows, it will eventually succumb to the limit of direct democracy and fracture into subgroups, thus by creating even more chaos. Each Occupy faction will crumble in a different way and form different types of subgroups depending on the culture of the cities in which they are. Some will crumble before others. Oakland has already turned towards violence. Some will remain peaceful. This means officials will have to deal with each Occupy in different ways, thereby increasing the chaos.
True anarchists do not want to take control because they do not believe in a system of control, in a government. What they want is to create as much chaos as possible. Occupy has been designed to do just this. Metaphorically, they are throwing sand in the air and they do not care how it lands. They believe the system cannot be fixed, and that it could not be worse. They believe the fastest way to find a cure is to shake the system heavily until it breaks. Once it is broken, they will leave it to someone else to put it back together. There work will have been done.
The front de libération du Québec succeeded in this way. Throughout the 60's they terrorized Québec politics. The system was shaken quite heavily. Five years later, in the mid 70's, a proper political party was formed called the partie Québecquois. It had the same preoccupations as the front, but it was a normal political party with a defined platform and clear goals. They still exist today and continue to fight for the same ideas the front pushed during its reign of terror.
The goal of an anarchy is not to take power, but to dismantle it.
Thanks, this is dynamite stuff to think about. I'll try to string some thoughts together over the weekend. For now I'll repost too:
I'm a farmer. I know a good machine from a crappy one. But a good machine in the hands of a lousy operator leads to damaged equipment and loss of crop leading to hunger and debts. We're coming out with better machines all the time but keeping the machine i have running productively means i can aquire a state-of-the-art machine sooner. So let's fix the machine we have (the ballot box is your tool box) and then discuss the new machine.
Well said.
there was alot of "in-fighting" about this.... shows how the whole GA process breaks down easily.
You mean you cant get 100% agreement on everything in life? Who would have guessed?
OWS is putting its money where its mouth is, and like all the other trolls on these boards, you're not doing SHIT. That's because you're nothing more than a piece of mediocre, TV- and sugar-addled suburban trash. END OF STORY.
One of the misunderstandings about the Occupy movement is that they are anti-capitalism. In fact, they are just anti-corrupt capitalism. For example, Occupy Dallas is supporting one successful Dallas business owner who got shafted by the system as explained by one Occupy member's page http://progressivist.hubpages.com/hub/story-jeff-baron
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OWS needs to be more independent, moderate and have a legitimate agenda. OWS should show up like the tea party did and vote the incumbents away.
HERE IS OUR SOLUTION
We need to pick an issue that is simple - that is popular - how about an issue that 83% of Americans agree on - that 56% of TP agree on - that will cement the people in OWS with the people outside of OWS
Our only goal should be to pass a constitutional amendment to counter Supreme Court decisions Citizens United (2010) & Buckley v. Valeo (1976), that enable unlimited amounts of anonymous money to flood into our political system. It will be as short and concise as possible, a legally constructed “corporations and other organizations are not a persons and have no personhood rights”
and
“money is not free speech”.
We don’t have to persuade people to accept our position – we have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals. Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal – from jobs, to taxes, to infrastructure , to Medicare – much easier to achieve – by disarming our greatest enemy – GREED.
THE SUCCESS STORY OF THE AMENDING PROCESS The Prohibition movement started as a disjointed effort by conservative teetotalers who thought the consumption of alcohol was immoral. They ransacked saloons and garnered press coverage here and there for a few years. Then they began to gain support from the liberals because many considered alcohol partially responsible for spousal and child abuse, among other social ills. This odd alliance, after many years of failing to influence change consistently across jurisdictions, decided to concentrate on one issue nationally—a constitutional amendment. They pressured all politicians on every level to sign a pledge to support the amendment. Any who did not, they defeated easily at the ballot box since they controlled a huge number of liberal, and conservative and independent swing votes in every election. By being a single-issue constituency attacking from all sides of the political spectrum, they very quickly amassed enough votes (2/3) to pass the amendment in Congress. And, using the same tactics, within just 17 months they were successful in getting ¾ of the state legislatures to ratify the constitutional amendment into law. (Other amendments were ratified even faster: Eight—the 7th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 17th, 20th, 21st and 26th—took less than a year. The 26th, granting 18-year-olds the right to vote, took just three months and eight days.)
If they could tie the left and right into success -
WHY CAN'T WE??????????
No where in the article did it say it was official.
Silly boy. Polls are official, if they are conducted scientifically, as this one was. Get a clue.
yea, people always tell the truth when pollsters approach, lol!
Do you have a clue how scientific polling is done, or what the difference is between an online poll and a scientific poll?
Of course. Now wait a minute....wait for it.......wait for it......whoops, the results just changed. Sorry.
The minute there was violence and stopping normal people going to work, it was going to happen. We can recover it if we distance ourselves from the violent factions, loudly and PUBLICLY condemn violence, and stick to the message.
Yawn.
The FBI has a long and documented history of infiltrating non violent movements for the purpose of surveillance and sabotage in the name of national security. The use the specter of communism or terrorism or anarchy or whatever is politically convenient at the time. I for one find it highly suspicious that after such an important action as the general strike in Oakland, that went pretty well, suddenly there is this late night violence by a small number of lingering protesters. I smell a rat.
Occupy Wall Street
The bottom line: The economy sucks to the point where people need 2 jobs just to survive. Paid wage slavery. For an average job, you need to work 2 jobs, just to for basic necessities. and the rich do not care. The average person here doesn’t have a future. A young person doesn’t have to work 80 hours a week. The more the upper management knows you need your job, the harder they make your life at your job. Organized religion is making the people think that being subservient to an affluent selfish tyrant is what Jesus wants. Yet, Jesus was impoverished, born homeless and died capital punishment under religious law. There is no trinity. The trinity was created for more money because GOD’s law and his punishment IS severe. Recognition to the devil is fabrication. He is a gin, not even an angel. The devil has NO power. It is GOD who punishes people. Only Christianity gives the devil undeserved recognition. Jesus died for the creator, NOT our sins. And his supplication to GOD was not to end the world yet. Those who wrote the new testament did not interact with GOD’s son.
Thank you,
Ellen 201-290-5102
Occupy Wall Street
The bottom line: The economy sucks to the point where people need 2 jobs just to survive. Paid wage slavery. For an average job, you need to work 2 jobs, just to for basic necessities. and the rich do not care. The average person here doesn’t have a future. A young person doesn’t have to work 80 hours a week. The more the upper management knows you need your job, the harder they make your life at your job. Organized religion is making the people think that being subservient to an affluent selfish tyrant is what Jesus wants. Yet, Jesus was impoverished, born homeless and died capital punishment under religious law. There is no trinity. The trinity was created for more money because GOD’s law and his punishment IS severe. Recognition to the devil is fabrication. He is a gin, not even an angel. The devil has NO power. It is GOD who punishes people. Only Christianity gives the devil undeserved recognition. Jesus died for the creator, NOT our sins. And his supplication to GOD was not to end the world yet. Those who wrote the new testament did not interact with GOD’s son.
Thank you,
Ellen 201-290-5102
Hi Ellen,
I just want to thank you for providing your phone number. Are you hot? Can you provide a link to your photo? I can set aside a whole lot of Christian angst for a girl with the right measurements.
again, the wiki was super critical in the first week of the occupy.
now its truly imperative that we get organized or the msm will smear us into the dust.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA
I have been active here since the very beginning, and since the very beginning I have been trying to make some core points. These points clearly have not been digested or fully understood by the mob, and so I'm going to try to make a further attempt here again.
For these reasons, I beg of you to please immediately join me on the wiki. We need to have all of these details and all of these ideas put together in an organized fashion, rather than posted in a long scrawl which will never be read.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/
Not so fast, bud. http://www.salon.com/2011/11/03/is_ows_in_danger_of_losing_middle_america/
Did you read the article? The poll I posted shows plummeting support for OWS. Your article confirms this and agrees with it. The only caveat it adds is a recent CNN poll that shows people support whatever it is that they perceive OWS complaints to be, as if those have ever been clearly defined. Whats the take away?
People are pissed off
OWS support is losing popular support, RAPIDLY.
Nice adjective, PLUMMETING! Scary!
I've only recently started reading up on all the Occupy protesting and I really dont understand how all these 99% think protests are the way to go. You want to make a mark, right? I'm curious to how many of you 99% drive foriegn vehicles? How many of you hold your checking/savings accounts at local, community banks and/or credit unions? How many of you wear only organic clothing and/or clothing that is made in the USA? How many of you only purchase produce and other food items that are locally grown? How many of you only eat at certain places that help the community and have integrity, such as Chipotle? Instead of standing outside Ports, Parks, Wall Street, etc.... why dont you actually start a revolution and start practicing what you preach?
I've only recently started reading up on all the Occupy protesting and I really dont understand how all these 99% think protests are the way to go. You want to make a mark, right? I'm curious to how many of you 99% drive foriegn vehicles? How many of you hold your checking/savings accounts at local, community banks and/or credit unions? How many of you wear only organic clothing and/or clothing that is made in the USA? How many of you only purchase produce and other food items that are locally grown? How many of you only eat at certain places that help the community and have integrity, such as Chipotle? Instead of standing outside Ports, Parks, Wall Street, etc.... why dont you actually start a revolution and start practicing what you preach?
Who cares? It's surface noise, even if it is a good poll, like watching stock prices from one day to the next. The people on the ground at OWS aren't trying to please anybody or anything but their own conscience. OWS is a bunch of people giving a lot of time and energy to promote The Golden Rule. It's that simple. Sometimes that's unpopular, but it is never wrong. If you measure right and wrong by polling results, well, what can I say?
Obviously that is naive. OWS is a bunch of people giving a lot of time for everything from anarchy, socialism, to libertarian values, to global warming, to anti-war values. Half of OWS is diametrically opposed to the other half on many issues, including how to achieve any of these goals, so lets can the bullshit.
Don't forget those Black Bloc OWS people smashing in store fronts and setting shit on fire dislike the rule of the 1% as well. They are part of the movement.
While I agree that a single poll is nothing but background noise, multiple polls indicate trending, and our popularity is trending in the wrong direction. Ignore it at your peril.
(Editor's note: Be dubious about anything anyone says that is prefaced by the word obviously.) So what does that mean? Does it mean that OWS needs to convene a GA and discuss the poll numbers and what to do about them?
I suppose it has lost its entertainment value. The brain dead are now returning to watching dancing with the stars and national news. However, by spring, the zombies will return to the land of the living.....why? LAYOFFS! Gosh, they will wake up to find they can no longer afford to buy the poison sold at McDonald's.
Trust me. It hasn't lost its entertainment value.
Don't worry. People get complacent, impatient, and grumpy when things don't instantly happen for them.
My prediction is that the support will swing back in OWS favor once the government does something that is obviously against the best interests of America, and OWS is there protesting it.
http://occupywallst.org/article/occupy-wall-street-obama-dont-be-big-banks-puppet-/
Riots, sloppiness, lazy, no real agenda, no real education of the participant is one cause of this. Clear control by unions adds to the resentment.
Right wing media endlessly nit-picking the shit out of the protest while covering up the crimes of the 1% daily. Who believes anything that comes out of these polls or the orgs. behind them.
Except fox news all other media is on the left. If OWS has problem with all media except fox news, then there is a problem. I quit OWS because it looks now it lazy people movement.
"Except fox news all other media is on the left. " Bullshit!
Listen to CBS, CNN, ABC, NBC, CNBC, they all bash republicans. I voted Obama and he really messed up and none of these channels talks about it. I am independent.
You, sir, are correct.
It's true. The stuff in oakland didn't help with the black bloc people using OWS as a cover.
I agree that the protests are turning a bit whiny. They made the top news in every paper around the world. They shouldn't keep telling everyone "we don't have any official demands" when they ask.
I'd say focus on the root of all the problems: get money out of politics.
OWS needs the voting support of the 99% to remove money from politics. Therefore we need peaceful demonstrations and a mature council. So I propose we:
1) Ban masks from protests. That'll eliminate black bloc vandals since they need to hide.
2) Elect a council of mature leaders. If we elect just 1 person, then that person will be torn apart by the media (since most media is owned by the 1%).
Fawkes is a symbol for freedom fighters.
Not for violence ...
Great. Then display it proudly. Just don't cover your face with it during protests. OWS has a glaring weakness, we're allowing black bloc vandals to join our protests and discredit our cause. OWS will NOT succeed if vandalism is allowed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86XhCwHhwn8&feature=youtu.be
Canada's 2007 protest was lucky. They were able to prove the black bloc vandals were undercover police. Canada's vandals are dressed the same as in Oakland's Nov 2nd protest: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19928
If masks aren't banned during protests, then protesters will have to endanger themselves by pulling the vandals' masks off and photographing them or simply beating them up. Banning masks is safer. Youtube is showing a lot of volunteers for beating up vandals. OWS will be peaceful to authorities, but NOT to vandals.
You mean like the freedom fighter who blew up Parliment? lol
touché!
you know, its really amazing how people will support a system, politicians and corporations that really don't care about them at all. i just can't understand this. sure, you're taught to believe in the system but the actions of these groups speak louder than their words.
mikeyD, why are you supporting the system?
Tell me about the lumpenproletariat, rayl. I'm fascinated!
Seriously, Marx plays a lot better in countries that have a literacy rate under 90%. People are aware of the corruption in the system. They are also aware of the mechanisms for change built into the system, and the pitfalls of trying to effect change outside of the existing system.
You, and your idiot revolutionary ilk make up the .05%
do you actually believe that the dems or the reps are not on the take?
We have this thing called a Primary election. Whether you are a democrat or a republican, you can change your candidate for someone you feel is better, before it that candidate even competes in the general election. Acquaint yourself with the system before declaring it defunct.
you're evading the question. i'm well aware of how the system is supposed to work.
Then you are aware that the system is not to blame-but those who are operating within it. NO system, no matter how perfectly just and fair it is designed to be, can operate with perfect justice and fairness in a society that is not perfectly just and fair.
you still haven't answered the question
"When the excesses of business interests and their political proteges in Washington leave the regular guy broke and screwed, the response is always for the lower and middle classes to split down the middle and find reasons to get pissed off not at their greedy bosses but at each other.
It's a classic peasant mentality: going into fits of groveling and bowing whenever the master's carriage rides by, then fuming against the Turks in Crimea or the Jews in the Pale or whoever after spending fifteen hard hours in the fields. You know you're a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your shit. Whatever the master does, you're on board. When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. Or he puts out newspapers full of innuendo about this or that faraway group and you immediately salute and rush off to join the hate squad. A good peasant is loyal, simpleminded, and full of misdirected anger."
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The University is a Country Club for the Elite, and is second in rank to Yale. Hmm think about it? There is some truth but OWS should do their on Polling. If the results are favorable, hire a independent polling company, even out of the USA. I mentioned before in my other post about Viral Syndication. Start your own Internet TV station and deliver your news feeds throughout Blogs newspapers, website etc as explained in the past post. The google thing, don't read to much into it. OWS has now a audience looking in from there favorite blogs, you tube etc.
Right! So if you don't like what the data tells you, manufacture your own data! Terrific! Can we call it something cool like, 'The OWS Ministry of Information'?
Maybe what the polls are reflecting is what people think of Canadian involvement in US politics....
Just sayin.
That's not what I was suggesting. It was that particular poll from a so called independent polling university. It does not tell us anything. What age groups, geographical location, things of that sort. The post was suggesting panic, and suggesting they feel threatened or disappointed. I am skeptical when data is based on something vague and does not give a full scope. If the OWS where to believe or the readers here to take this as absolute I think that is dangerous. Next there us no reason why the OWS can't continue there own research and polling to see the facts as they are. They in turn can publish the results. If they look favorable then I suggested an indepentand polling company to verify the legitemcy of the results to the public as I believe it would be challenged. Not sure what you meant by the Canadian thing?
Actually the information was in the poll, but I'll provide it again. It was a poll of either registered or likely voters in the US. People who make decisions about our leaders. Their age, gender, and or location is unimportant. The fact they vote IS important. The fact the data is trending towards the negative IS important.
Regarding the polling agency Quinnipiac has been a legitimate polling organization for a very long time. If my memory serves me correctly, their numbers tend to favor liberals/Democrats when compared to actual electoral outcomes, but there is no such thing as a perfect poll, so take that how you will.
I'm with you on the merits of panicking. Panic is useless.
On the Canadian thing, Americans tend to hate foreign meddling in their politics. The Guardian newspaper in England actually ran a call campaign to Ohio voters in 2004, trying to get them to vote for John Kerry, and the backlash was so severe, they may very well have influenced the election in favor of Bush. The fact the founders of OWS are Canadian anarchists is becoming widely known. The fact the moderators of this forum are Canadian is becoming widely known. The fact the money flows through a 501c originated in Nicaragua is becoming widely known. It doesn't help at all.
Come to think of it, I just noted your location is Alberta. Not helpful.
You are discriminating Canadians based on inaccurate or false information. Someone is breeding false hostility. I believe you are intelligent to see this as propaganda, and or you are a just a shit disturber. In fact I am not convinced you support the movement? Either way it’s good for all to engage in dialogue.
I admit I had to research the title of “Canadian Anarchists” I have been labelled some names in my life, but that takes the cake. Being a Canadian I know I can honestly defend the massive overwhelming majority all here, we are NOT Anarchists. Santa Clause has more Elves in his work shop than we have Anarchists that live among us? So Canadians do not support what that group stands up for. (End of that discussion).
As far as the Guardian newspaper in England thing... like whatever dude (don't paint us with their brush). Your Government spends Billions of your tax dollars in all sorts of extortion. (Note I did not say the people, Canadians love the American people). We get that from your Government here all the time. It’s just they get flustered when they cannot manipulate us every time into whatever submissive behaviour they aim for. They run back home and curse, oh those Hmm think of a word oh-ya... F8^kin Anarchists.
The point you made about the fact the money flows through a 501c originated in Nicaragua is becoming widely known. Hmm.. Sounds like another one of those crazy hard to believe Hollywood stories. Like I suggested either you have been duped, ignorant and or one of those... (Insert The Twilight Zone Intro here).
You are stating we have this connection with Nicaragua and Canada? Show me the evidence, back up your accusation for all here to see? The U.S. had covert actions to topple democratic governments and of installing authoritarian regimes there. I believe US and Nicaragua are the ones with the cozy relationship?
Alberta Thing. Don’t like us because Dick C. and his buddies fly out here to secure oil for his oil company friends, and American Interests instead of China? Is it the continuance to pollute our Province? Is it because we have lots of jobs, many of people in the patch earn 95,000 to 250,000 a year?
Congratulations! You win! You are officially the least informed person I have met on this forum about this movement, its organizers, its funders, and the operators of this forum.
If you care to inform yourself, there has certainly been enough credible journalism done on the subject. Start here:
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11293836/1/meet-the-man-behind-occupy-wall-street.html
and then follow it where it takes you. Or, if you like, the information is readily available on this very forum. You would have to be looking for it, so I suppose that means you will remain ignorant.
Regarding England Vs. Canadians, I'd say painting you with the same brush would be doing an injustice to the English. You guys are idiots. We sent the English packing in 2004, and they have not overtly meddled in our electoral process since, that I know of, though no doubt there are a few helping to promote OWS.
As to your oil fields, and the "Big Pay" those people earn, I couldn't care less. I was well into those numbers before age 21 without a college degree in the states. Don't like Dick Cheney? Don't sell him your oil. In the mean time, I'll burn your oil in my car, take your hockey players for my NHL, and take your women for entertainment. The political advice you can keep.
Hey I hate to budge in here like this but, I think it’s important to state opinions and discus them. For isn’t working/talking/discussing things out and all those other words about our own personal views and others views, the root to good government. People’s voices should be heard it doesn’t mean we have to agree to it but we should see things from their point of view to really understand the situation. Only then after that can we really see the truth behind each other’s words and put them into one crystal clear view. This however will never happen although; we can try and make it the best response we can. As we all know some of these voices are not being heard. I respect both of your views and acknowledge it. I think it’s great that people are standing up for what they believe is right (I agree with occupancy) and is right. It’s not just the US that has these problems but there is always greedy politicians and business men who want to horde the money from the people of their own country. Not to mention names; there have been small movements in Canada as well. This is worldwide issue and it seems some people COUGH COUGH think it’s only matters to them only. I just want to say that the people who fight for this cause are not alone just because there may be a border between us doesn’t mean it doesn’t affect us. That’s all I have to say.
Sincerely, a guy north of you.
PS: I think it’s great that we both love our women and our hockey!
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Clearly our views are completely different, I'm done here. Go back to World of Warcraft buddy. Your a damn good Troll and I ain't dealin with your shit! http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/netiquetteonlineculture/f/What-Is-Trolling.htm
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Any bridges around? I smell a troll. thanks for the link. I learned something new and I thank you. I officially can say I know an Anarchists, just as you do. Can I really get free stock quotes on that site?
And continuing to lose interest as shown via Google Trends:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=occupy+wall+street&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0
After heading steadily down hill over time, there was a small bump from the first Oakland incidents. The most recent events, which were more significant, garnered even less interest. Twitter and other trends all look about the same.
Also significantly, most of the interest is coming from larger, more liberal areas indicating that the largest part of the audience is pretty much yourselves:
In black and white. I am warning OWS has to act together