Forum Post: Is OWS a cult? or anti capitalist???
Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 16, 2012, 1:36 p.m. EST by libtardsSuck
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I think it is extremely sad that people waste there time hating on someones joy's. I suggest you find something you enjoy and love and stick with it. Hate only corrupts the beauty of the mind in my opinion.
I do not mind it if it is for something for the betterment of our Country or whatever but this is not
Why isn't it for the betterment of our country? Why do you think this movement is only for this country?
Because about 90% of our Country wants capitalism left alone. Sure the economy will get better but what Obama and OWS wants is socialism and that is NO good
How do you know the economy will get better? Where are you basing this statistic off? Who said I wanted socialism?
You are still in the same rut. How does anyone know the economy will get better? What I know is that MY economy will get better, sooner or later. The great depression was not a good time in the USA or the world for that matter - but not everyone had to jump out of a skyscraper to make it better sooner or later.
This country, capitalism and everything good that we see today was built on individual initiative. If we take our eyes off that most important of reasons to exist and start lumping everything into groups and group actions, we will not move from the very position that we occupy today.
What this really represents is a means of killing our prey - we band together as a hunting group, and go after the prey. We all band together and go after the CEO, the BANK, the BUS DRIVER, etc. We praise strength in numbers as if we were the English fighting the Colonists. We ever move into great exaggerations to bolster our morale regarding unknown numbers seeking their prey.
Meanwhile, the prey doesn't even see the few weak slinking seekers of prey and really knows that it could take them all out in one fell sweep.
I am sorry if you have not noticed everyone government and kingdom has failed utterly and a new one has came up usually based on the same principles as the last one. If we pay attention to history we would know that it will fail and then fail again. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. I am sorry but I refuse to accept a world based on individual initiative. I do not like to obtain my own wealth at other peoples expense,that is to crazy for my liking. I care greatly about this planet and my brothers and sisters of the human race. They all have value in my eyes and can do great things given the right opportunity.
There are a lot of things that I have not noticed along the way. Governments and kingdoms are not really why I exist so I am only interested in what they offer in the way of solid and truth based principles.
I still adhere to individual initiative as the best solution to all problems whether that is worked through the individual, family, or group. No one has to obtain their own wealth at the expense of others. You have simply a one-track definition of wealth which is very easily put down as you did - an I am assuming there that you are referring simply to a type of monetary wealth (gold, money, diamonds, stones with holes, etc) If this is the extent of how you can interpret wealth and its relationship to the individual, we have nothing more to discuss.
I DO NOT believe in mass statements such as "this planet and my brothers and sisters of the human race". That is simply the easy way out and the path to self glorification. Everyone of those members of the human race has a name and if you do not know it - you don't really care greatly as you stated. You are not the all powerful person, god or whatever that you evidence in your statement.
I love all rocks, minerals, gems and fossils. However, one nice sample of anyone of them would be more than enough for me to work with, to admire, and to work to improve in whatever way would be appropriate.
You will not accept a world based on individual initiative, YET you explain that each one "can do great things given the right opportunity".
Makes no sense to me at all. Merely words without actions.
http://www.facebook.com/TheHumanSocietyProject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjIoHgUFZFQ&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=d0R-vftcleU
So you find fundamentally transforming America "joy"?
More proof!
Yes because the fundamentals kill people. Do you enjoy killing people?
Your associations and implications do not impress me at all. If anyone is bent on killing American and people - it is YOU. Leave the rest of us alone, please.
If you are looking for things to hate, fear or condemn you will have no problem finding plenty - been that way for thousands of years and you will not really change anything.
I will not kill. I do not hate anything. Please do not judge me for I do not judge you.
You DO JUDGE me - you see I am a believer in fundamentals and you just said that I kill people.
So take off your angel mask and be yourself for once. You are what you say.
Yes because the fundamentals kill people. Do you enjoy killing people? that is also what I said. I do not think I said you kill anyone.
Well I do not see that as a judgement. I know we as Americans must pay taxes. The taxes are in turn used to fund the military which kills people. Just like saying I eat steak but I do not kill cows. It is a tad bit ridiculous.
What do you expect them to do - pass out lollipops at the terrorist camps in Afgan??
So we have to pay taxes - taxes are used to fund the military - the military kills people. No problem with that - I just can't quite decide to move out of the country.
You eat steak, steak requires that a cow be killed - your tad bit ridiculous stops at that point - you can make an easy decision to each chicken instead of beef or even become a vegetarian without upsetting family, life, work etc.
Your reasoning is a tad bit ridiculous in my opinion.
Well If you eat chicken then in turn you are killing chicken. If you eat vegatation you are picking the food off and more then likley not going to kill the plant. I did not mean that in the way you directed. I just meant If you pay taxes you are killing people. Just like you kill animals when you eat meat. I did not say it was bad to kill animals. I was just trying to relay it in a way you could understand. No I do not expect them to pass out lollipops. However, I believe we are the product of our environment. If you go to a factory and smash all the coke bottles, the factory will still produce coke bottles. If you go to Afghanistan and kill bin laden. Afghanistan will still make more people like bin laden. Do you understand what I mean?
I sure do. And please don't consider yourself or your opinions to be in any way unique either.
I do not think I am unique. Do you disagree with what I said? If so could you please tell me why?
This is the best I can do. The older I get, the more I agree with some of the very old writings and sayings. You know - there is really nothing new under the sun.
As a teacher, I take great joy in seeing students learn, find out things and discover themselves, however, I also realize that they are really not doing anything NEW to the world - only to their world. That is the job of teaching-learning.
For the most part, I find that what is being expressed on these forms as learning or wisdom, is for the most part, stuff that should have been learned by the individuals writing herein, many years ago.
On the other hand, you have the ones who have seemingly "learned" who have to express that learning in terms that the average person has to look up to even have the least idea of what they are talking about. They are not even attempting to teach - they are simply showing their knowledge in a "foreign language" of terms and verbage.
What you posted is you outlook on the world. Of course, if you want to eat chicken, you will a chicken. You can pick veggies all you want but in many cases, you will kill the plant or cause to to die without reproducting just like you do the chicken. (good or bad - I really don't care). And yes, my taxes may be used in ways that I do not approve of such as military agression, however, I also weigh that against the good that the military does, the fact that some of my taxes might be used for cancer research, etc. This is really nothing new, I have though of all of this for over 60 years, nothing has changed, and I live with who I am and what good I can do without participating in governmental endeavors.
I really do not agree or disagree with what you said. It is the same as me saying 2 plus 2 is four and asking you if you disagree and if so could you please tell me why. .
I got you. would you mind checking this video out? It is of Jacque Fresco. I would really appreciate it if you watched it. It is 9 minutes and 43 seconds long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjIoHgUFZFQ&feature=player_embedded
I think you'd be more at home in North Korea.
They kill people and torture them. So no I would not be more at home with them. If you have questions about what I say please ask them. I ask that you not judge me for I do not judge you.
" for I do not judge you." Bullshit,you already played that card.
Please tell me when I judged you?
I will tell you, it only seems like a cult because there was so much support dedicated to the transition of the earth to a love-centered planet. Unfortunately, the analysis of its failures will probably have to be brought up in person. As strange as it may sound, India was using the vagina of women. They didn't want a Western woman to be Eve. Message me.
We can't even protest without beign called things, gosh.
If I type you the secret hand-shake, will you go away?
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I'd say it was anti-corporate, though not specifically anti-capitalist (though some individuals and groups within it are). I don't think it is a cult, though there is some danger that it could evolve in that direction, particularly given its bizarre decision making process, The much greater danger to the movement, however, it the likelihood of it being successfully co-opted by the Democratic Party which has been the grave yard of every mass movement since the days of the Populists,
OWS is both and more. It is fundamentally anti-American and provides cover for Anarchists,Communists,Socialists,Marxists,and foreign disruptive and destructive forces (radical Islam) bent on the dissolution of this nation. These propagandized Drones that post their anti-American ideas and "solutions" for the further "fundamental transformation" of America are merely executing the demands of Obama and his Proglodyte Regime.
My assertions are fact,no matter how much these Leftist's protest.
I am surprised you have 84 good points. If you do not agree to their social psychotic ways then they really nail ya on here
I believe my points were up to 90 or so a while ago so I'm sure I've left behind some very unhappy campers.
The creepy talking in unison thing has me leaning towards cult. It's a place for needy 20-somethings to go for a sense of belonging and purpose they can't seem to find elsewhere in life right now.
Look at the way this has grown in the past three months. Originally it was some valid ideas being shared - everything has already been developed and is available in some form or the other on www., in a book, or in a lecture. About as many new ideas as a rat has when you fill it's hole in the ground with water.
Also note the lateral trends. Just suggest one novel thing and it will shoot across the mental screens in a matter of seconds. Really, nothing new any more. Just a bunch of individuals and their ideas of a world they could not create if they were the only ones alive on this earth followed by a bunch of tag alongs.
But even early it was nutty. The obsession with B of A and bank fees. Did none of the people comprehend that they could simply change banks? When some figured it out, they acted like they discovered nuclear fission.
The self-importance of claiming to be a "movement" and claiming to represent virtually everyone was offensive too.
Hey Gimmeyours
You used some really good key words in your post:
Obsession
Nutty
Comprehend
Figured it out, discovered.
This could have all been done in about 30 minutes by everyone going home, talking to their grandfather or some other older person and it would have been DONE and OVER WITH.
There is so much wisdom out there that the world really does not have to be reinvented with each generation - but they insist on doing it any how. If you think that things are worse today, just ask yourself, were you part of the problem by ignoring the wisdom of the past in your headlong plunge to reinvent.
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Hey, I had great fun building shelters, staying in them and the surrounding area for an hour and arguing with the others who were doing the same in another area of the park.
This was in 1952 when I was in a country grade school and we kids went down to play at noon in the pasture across from the school yard where there were trees and grass. We had a lot of fun building our shelters from logs, covering them with leaves, hiding out and trying to keep the others out of our areas. We were just having a great time during noon break, only represented ourselves and our friends and classmates and really did no harm to anyone else in the process. We were not protesting anything - just having fun and in some way we were being prepared for life today - I love life.
What has happened to this nation, when the fun has left us and we have been so dumbed-down that any "new idea" sounds like we just created life in a tin bucket.
This movement was brought on by Obama, Van Jones, Andy Stern (SEIU) and other social psycho paths like them. Their agenda is to create a communism Country and do away with capitalism.
But it isn't a "movement". That remains wild hype-talk. It's the same old tired leftists that've always been here. I remember them well from college days. There was always that grungy 5% that has trouble functioning and wants an easier road in life, one that drives through someone else's bank account.
Same thing in the 1960's but how soon we forget that it has all been said and proposed before. Great movement towards change, so much that we have to protest again today.
You want a life - go make one. Don't expect me to help more than to see that you get across the street safely.
Yes these goons want us to make their house payments, pay for their student loans, blah blah blah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=d0R-vftcleU
See, here's how it works. You borrow money, you buy something with it, you default and now it becomes yours because banks are bad.
Probably would do the same thing to you or to me, not to mention their parents, etc.
These are not the greatest brains in the world, just the greatest heads in the clouds.
Yep they live in a sad pathetic World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=d0R-vftcleU