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Forum Post: Is l.e.n.r real? NASA seems to think so.

Posted 2 years ago on May 2, 2012, 4:34 p.m. EST by notaneoliberal (2269)
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Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist of NASA Langley made the statement below; [This transcript is Copyleft 2011 New Energy Times. Permission is granted to reproduce this text as long as the text, this notice and the publication information are included in their entirety and no changes are made to this text.]

J. William Moore: I’d like to [look at] some of the [energy alternatives] that you think look most promising from your perspective.

Dennis Bushnell: The most interesting, and promising, at this point, in the farther term, but maybe not so far, is low-energy nuclear reactions. This has come out of [22] years of people producing energy but not knowing what it is — and we think we have a theory on it. It’s producing beta decay and heat without radiation. The research on this is very promising and it alone, if it comes to pass, would literally solve both [the] climate and energy [problems.]
Our resident Physicist, bensdad, says it's bs. Any other opinions?

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[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

I'm uneasy about anything nuclear, but I wouldn't discount it until all the facts are in. You would think that if it was feasible, energy companies would be all over it. Personally, I like this idea on Ted Talks:

Donald Sadoway: The missing link to renewable energy

What's the key to using alternative energy, like solar and wind? Storage -- so we can have power on tap even when the sun's not out and the wind's not blowing. In this accessible, inspiring talk, Donald Sadoway takes to the blackboard to show us the future of large-scale batteries that store renewable energy. As he says: "We need to think about the problem differently. We need to think big. We need to think cheap."

Donald Sadoway is working on a battery miracle -- an inexpensive, incredibly efficient, three-layered battery using “liquid metal."

http://www.ted.com/talks/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy.html

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 2 years ago

I'm not, or wouldn't be against the idea of wind and solar, but the fact is, the build out cost to convert the entire world to these sources is astronomical That said, Portugal has managed to get to about 50% renewables and has employed a lot of pumped hydro storage. Lenr does not produce any nuclear waste or radiation hazard at all. That is one of its' major pluses. The extremely low potential cost makes it far more do-able within the time frame we need it to be done. The nature of the devices also would enable it to be used to power vehicles. They are very compact. This is an important factor since wind and solar really only address the power grid, leaving the need to build hundreds of millions of electric vehicles costing trillions.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28257) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Green Tech.

This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!

http://www.hopewellproject.org/

http://ecat.com/

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1

FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600

From: http://occupywallst.org/forum/get-active-be-proactive-unite-in-common-cause/

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 2 years ago

Thanks for putting this info out there. Yes, this IS where we should be going. I'm already quite familiar with ecat. com. The e-cat is an lenr device. The only caveat is; it is not yet available and there is still some question as to whether it is in fact what it is claimed to be by its' inventor, Andrea Rossi. It has yet to be subjected to the kind of independent testing that would satisfy the scientific community. The same is true of the competing product, the Hyperion, from Defkalion. As for thorium reactors, still not really worked out all the bugs, from what I'm aware of, and while better than our current method of nuclear power generation, there still is some issue of radioactive waste. As for hydrogen, it isn't really a source of energy. As a means of powering automobiles, it is in fact energy negative, which is to say it takes more energy than it delivers. The thing about lenr is, if it turns out to work as well as some think it can,it would be far less expensive than any of the other known sources of energy as well as non-polluting.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28257) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

From the Ecat link.

The ECAT 1 MW Plant is available for pre-ordering now with an estimated delivery time of 3 months. The first generation of ECAT Home products will be available in 2013.


We must explore available energy alternatives now. Look to get independent verification of proposed working tech. and begin using it. Real - Trial projects to begin with. And as proved - wider implementation, as we progress on other tech.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 2 years ago

I am not a Rossi detractor, but delivery deadlines have been made and missed numerous times Whether or not Rossi has a viable product is an open question imo. This is something I have been following for some time. Just thought you should know that there is a lot of controversy surrounding Rossi and his e-cat. Rossi was offered $1 million to have his device independently tested and refused. http://dicksmithaustralia.com/

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

beta decay is radiation of an election

alpha decay is radiation of a helium nucleus (cluster 2 protons and 2 neutrons)

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

eat the gamma ? as in digest it's energy ?

ignore the neutrino

[-] 0 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 2 years ago

Yes, you have a point. Beta decay is radiation. I think Bushnell may have meant residual radiation, but that isn't clear.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

So, when a boron-11 atom fuses with a hydrogen atom the result is three helium atoms and energy, but no radioactive waste:

http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/deuterium_tritium_vs_hydrogen_boron/

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 2 years ago

You're open mindedness is refreshing. In the source from which the above quote came from, Bushnell states "..it's not fusion". http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/01/nasas-bushnell-lenr-most-promising-energy-alternative-and-its-not-fusion/

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

can i see a source on that because beta decay is radiation it low end radiation. Also it sounds like a good read

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

thank very much

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 2 years ago

You might find this video interesting as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBlKc0TaqPs