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Forum Post: If you were elected president, would you push the tax code and economy to help people like you?

Posted 1 year ago on July 17, 2012, 6:52 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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I would.


So why are we concerned about a candidate who will cut capital gains tax, eliminate the inheritance tax and cut social security and medicare?

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[-] 3 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

If elected president I would decline the offer. If however I was offered the job of King for 4 years I would fix a few things like:

  • It would be illegal for a politician to use the words: "The American People believe......"

  • with every $4 cup of coffee Starbucks would have to give every customer $3 worth of Dunkin Donuts.

  • the Supreme Court would have 270 judges, the House would craft laws but the people would vote on them directly, it would really be illegal for presidents to start wars, and Senators would be limited to 10 years of service.

  • Canada and Mexico would become US States 51 and 52 (they basically are now so why not make it official).

  • humace would be outlawed, along with tofurky, vegiburgers, and all food advertised as organic (I am still trying to find inorganic carrots in the grocery store).

  • Taxes may only be levied on people and they must pay them directly, no witholding, no automatic withdraws, no corp tax, no excise tax, no import/export tax. The Gov must look you in the eye when the tax you and the payments are made in a lump sum once a year one week before election day.

  • the Gov is prohibited from getting involved with business and business is prohibited from getting involved with Gov. The whole Commerce Clause is a disaster.

  • no tax may be levied in an effort to effect behavior.

  • kids have to be polite

  • driving in the left lane at 35 MPH with your blinker on is a capital offence.

  • gun ownership is mandatory but they can only contain a single round so make it count.

  • capital punishment, except as described herein, shall be banned, however public humiliation will be added to all felony offence sentences.

4 years is a longtime, here are a few more:

  • Before spending $ 20.5 billion on dog and cat food each year Americans must first feed every hungry child in the country.

  • Abortion is illegal except for the cast of Jersey Shore, any Kardashian, and Staten Island. There should be no obstacle impeding those folks from avoiding reproduction.

  • Before a cop writes a speeding ticket they must first arrest 3 drug dealers, two child molesters, and an investment banker.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Taxes only on people and corps making more than $250K.

Free college, paid by corps,

Free healthcare,

Guns not mandatory, Voting definitely mandatory, definitely like the direct voting idea. Expand house of reps to 1000, End electoral college, public campaign finance. Electronic voying on-line with paper trail and easily verified afterwards by each voter.

[-] 2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I am with you for the most part. Not a fan of giving people fee stuff. First of all it is not free, and more importantly if a thing costs you nothing the tendency is to assign it that value.

Corporate taxes are just a bad idea. Make the Gov look you in the eye when they tax you; don't let them hide the tax in corp, VAT, import, or other like taxes.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh well we can't agree on everything.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

That was fun, wasn't it?

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 1 year ago

You've got my vote...wait, can I vote for king?

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

For my services I would require that every American beg me to take the job. That way there would be none of those "Don't Blame Me I didn't vote for him" bumper stickers and they would all have to just suck it up and live with the consequences.

[-] 1 points by CongressmanSimpleton (4) 1 year ago

The American people believe your decrees to be of greater quality than the tomes of bills generated by my collaborators in Congress.

[-] 2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I for one am a believer.

After sleeping on it I did have a few additions (see above).

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

How about outlawing federal subsidies. There are currently 2,200 of them in the federal catalog of domstic assistance. Here is the link:

The Federal website www.cfda.gov

http://www.walmartsubsidywatch.org/

http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/24/news/fortune500/walmart_subsidies/

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/18/free_lunch_how_the_wealthiest_americans (video)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accounting_scandals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accounting_scandals#Notable_accounting_scandals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_control (auditing and Fraud)

Internal controls have existed from ancient times. In Hellenistic Egypt there was a dual administration, with one set of bureaucrats charged with collecting taxes and another with supervising them.[3] In the Republic of China, the Control Yuan (監察院; pinyin: Jiānchá Yùan), one of the five branches of government, is an investigatory agency that monitors the other branches of government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud_deterrence

Deterrence involves an analysis of the conditions and procedures that affect fraud enablers, in essence, looking at what could happen in the future given the process definitions in place, and the people operating that process. Deterrence is a preventive measure – reducing input factors” (Cendrowski, Martin, Petro, The Handbook of Fraud Deterrence).

The Fraud Triangle describes three factors that are present in every situation of fraud: 1.Motive (or pressure) – the need for committing fraud (need for money, etc.); 2.Rationalization – the mindset of the fraudster that justifies them to commit fraud; and 3.Opportunity – the situation that enables fraud to occur (often when internal controls are weak or nonexistent).

We are losing the war since the Corporate Lobby is in a War of Resistance against "Internal Controls". And congress has joined them in this fight.

http://www.advisorone.com/2012/04/25/finding-the-culprits-of-the-crisis

In legislative procedure, a rider is an additional provision added to a bill or other measure under the consideration by a legislature, having little connection with the subject matter of the bill.[1] Riders are usually created as a tactic to pass a controversial provision that would not pass as its own bill. Occasionally, a controversial provision is attached to a bill not to be passed itself but to prevent the bill from being passed (in which case it is called a wrecking amendment or poison pill).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider_(legislation)

Riders are most effective when attached to an important bill, such as an appropriation bill, because to veto or postpone such a bill could delay funding to governmental programs, causing serious problems.

Riders are often completely irrelevant to the bill they are attached and are commonly used to introduce unpopular provisions. These tend to have negative implications for freedom and civil liberties but are nevertheless passed due to the amount of support behind the original bill. For example, a rider to stop net neutrality was attached to a bill relating to military and veteran construction projects.[2]

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

That is seventh on the list above.

[-] 2 points by ponchovilla (16) 1 year ago

I would push for a flat tax. The ULTIMATE in fairness.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Flat is OK as long as you tilt the planet.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Paul lost - give it up

[-] 2 points by throaway (57) 1 year ago

If I were elected POTUS, the 1st thing I would do is obliterate my past.

School records. Gone Birth Certificate. Same as above Passport apps. Ditto All records of my time in Senate. Shredded

Would also make use of the misguided youth that supported me by having them comb the internet for any interviews/video where I actually expressed an opinion or took a stand. So many contradictions out there and some day the media might not be so enamored of me and start digging.

Then I would tell the American people over and over and over again that I am running the MOST TRANSPARENT administration in history!!

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

4 years is a longtime, here are a few more:

  • Before spending $ 20.5 billion on dog and cat food each year Americans must first feed every hungry child in the country.

  • Abortion is illegal except for the cast of Jersey Shore, any Kardashian, and Staten Island. There should be no obstacle impeding those folks from avoiding reproduction.

  • Before a cop writes a speeding ticket they must first arrest 3 drug dealers, two child molesters, and an investment banker.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Why are we concerned with a candidate spending as much of our tax dollars on wars as Bush?

Wait... Obama and Romney fall into that category.

Obama and Romney 2012 propaganda on an OWS site is annoying. Which one of them is backed by Goldman Sachs again?

Which one of them supports the patriot act?

Which one of them did nothing as protesters were being brutalized by state governments?

Which one of them said using the military against Iran is on the table? How many warships are surrounding Iran right now?

How many countries do these guys want to bomb in 2013?

How much money is Black Water making this year?

Stop propagating for warmongers!

[-] -1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Would you rather lose a liver or a kidney.
there is a preferred outcome
you may not like either
but I choose Sotomayor over Scalia
I choose Roe v Wade over the alternative

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Or everyone could just stop falling into the brainwashed propaganda ploy that you have to choose one of the 2 and realize there is more than 2 names on the damn ballot.

But hey that would take common sense for every one to do that as a majority.

Jill Stein actually represents your views... unless you support the wars, support the tarp bailouts, support the patriot act, support assassination powers of American citizens, and support suppression of torture evidence from the Bush administration. Then you should totally vote Obama or Romney. Because that's what they support.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Jill Stein may be t he perfect candidate. BUT as PRESIDENT she will never do anything. why can't "third party" supporters be honest and acknowledge that they are working to get something done that will never be done.
and start devoting their time and energy to something that can be done
such as keeping another scalia off the court


there are some very smart ows people working on "alternate currencies"
why not work on "alternate sky colors"?


Since October I have seen thousands of people-hours wasted on impossible dreams - and I know this is crude - but masterbation is not productive


there are OWS groups doing things that CAN be done

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

You can walk through the same door over and over and find corruption on the other side every time, or you could .... try using another door.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

corruption will always exist
I could also vote for elmer fudd or jack the ripper and get the same effect as voting for Stein
AND
that effect may be more scalias
THAT
is the real world
NOT
fantasy land

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

If every door leads to corruption, then it does not matter which door either of us open. You must have woke up on the wrong side of the cynic bed today.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 1 year ago

ya id push the tax code right out of existance. Taxing people has never ever helped me directly, in fact it only served to take away from me and my family. A better alternative would be for the government to own the banks, so that they can live off the interest, and us do away with taxes all together, as stated in our constitution. But as Im sure you all felt the mass wave of ignorance blow right thru us, when Ron Paul was asked on national television about lowering taxes, he wanted to set it at 0%.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

No because I'd be bringing down like $400.000 a year that should be plenty for anybody, the government can help those with less I would think.

But a large inheritance tax to let those who have gained from all that tax cutting/deflect spending we been doing "for the economy" pay off that debt when they die, sure makes a lot of sense to me.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

If I were elected president, my first priority would be to restore democracy to the people.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

If I was the puppet of the military complex, I would stockpile some great moonshine from down south, and practice being a porch monkey.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Let me know when one of your mainstream candidates is serious about erasing the 76,000 pages of tax codes and starting over.

Until then, you are being played.

[-] 0 points by traversetravis (11) from Philmont, NY 1 year ago

I would completely end Income Tax. It intrudes on the life of everyone. I would make an Economic Forum made of all the Businesses and Labor Unions in the country, with its own entrepreneurial Economic Manager. This would be the face of the American Economy, standing independent of the American Governance. These would be the economic equivalent of the Political Congress and the Political President. The Economy and its businesses would have its own flag, like this one: https://sites.google.com/site/threefoldnow/cloth-flags

The Economic Forum and Political Congress would transparently negotiate a yearly-lump-sum Governance Budget based on the projected Gross Economic Product. These funds would come straight from the sales and profits of all Businesses (and all Non-Profit Organizations who charge fees for their services). No individual would be directly taxed. Whatever money the Political Governance really needs to ensure a just and righteous society, would be simply be negotiated ahead of time, and paid by the Economic Corporations.

That's the first thing I'd do if I were in the Presidential chair. The further actions are described here: https://sites.google.com/site/threefoldnow/president

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I would. That means working/middle class Americans. So yeah I would definitely help that group.

[-] 0 points by conservatroll (117) 1 year ago

So why are we concerned about a candidate who will cut capital gains tax, eliminate the inheritance tax and cut social security and medicare?

we are not. Hey once your president, you are set for life. Who cares about people like you?

[-] -1 points by betuadollar (-313) 1 year ago

I've only ever had but one goal in life, and that is, to "RULE THE WORLD."

And if I did rule the world, the last thing I would do is intentionally spend myself into indebtedness, an indebtedness secured through the financial resources of my subjects, while simultaneously telling them to pay me back with less work and more demands for free shit. I think that "insane" is probably a rather freaky and precarious position for world governance, don't you? If I can't make simple decisions, what happens when the shit really hits the fan, demanding my responsible authority and resources?