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Forum Post: If you have valuable skills the jobs are there

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 29, 2011, 9:34 a.m. EST by Perspective (-243)
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Just wanted to say that there are jobs available if you've learned the proper skills. My current contract has been cancelled as of Dec 31,2011. My former employer learned of this when my current employer called to see about training after Jan 1,2011 on the DDC systems that I currently maintain.Before I even began searching for a new job I received a phone call from my former employer and I will start work for him on Jan 9,2012.(I needed a little break for a week). My starting pay will be $4k a year more than I currently make because he knows I will work hard for him,make the company money,(for 12 years every single hour I worked was billable),and have the skills necessary to perform the work.This is all because of the skills I have learned over the years through many classes,seminars,etc. I recognized long ago (1987) that these skills would be in demand for a long time to come and made sure I learned everything I could. The jobs are there if you have the skills to sell.Knowledge is power.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

To know the heart of our problems.

Watch:

This is why we are here this is why you are needed.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/

Share, circulate, educate, inspire.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Stay on topic or don't comment.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I am on topic for the reason we are here in support of the Occupy & 99% movements, the support of Humanity. The end of Corruption/Greed in Government and Business. The Heart of all our problems.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

No you aren't and your ignorance shows.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No I believe that "you" would like to stop the education of the public. So it is your naivety that shows. No more allowing of blind influence.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Lol you mean YOU want to indoctrinate everyone to think like you. Guess what? Not going to happen.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Here's another one that you will love to share with the Public.

Shows people from all walks of life supporting Occupy & 99%, not supporting people/leaders or party's but supporting an ideal :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Bgqt1YYko

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No. Just presenting the facts. People can make up their own minds when they have good information to consider.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

I have valuable skills, and am well employed. Our current economic situation is the result of malevolent conspiratorial fraud on an international and systemic scale. This is perpetrated by trans-generational cabals who are realizing centuries-old schemes.

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[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

God Modest, i know we'll never agree but could you please post your garbage somewhere else where it might be even slightly on topic? get a friggin life loser.

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[-] 1 points by nuik3 (17) 2 years ago

you sound like a cable tv commercial for a non-accredited college

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Lol I can tell you that the object of your derision makes me cash all the time heheh. I never sell my time for less than $20 an hour and usually a good bit more,depends on the type of work I do. I'm proficient in plumbing/electrical/hvac/minor carpentry/computer repair/ddc controls,and well...you get the point. I do good work and stand behind it and my customers are always satisfied and ALWAYS call back.The only thing that holds anybody back in this country from being successful is themselves.

[-] 1 points by maplehead74 (60) from Brooksville, FL 2 years ago

I would count yourself as lucky! In the right place, at the right time , with the right training. But, would use caution when painting with a broad brush. I grew up in a manufacturing area. After NAFTA slowly the jobs left. Good jobs that were the base of the local economy. The area is now gutted. There are no good jobs, and worse the very well trained hard working folks of the area ( some being family members) have never been able to achieve an equivalent income. Most are working at a survivalist level, barely getting by. I moved seeing the writing on the wall so to speak. Now, many of my coworkers in a collage educated field of work are facing the same demise. These were highly skilled "safe " jobs as long as you stayed with your employer. In today's job market they are not finding jobs in there field. I for now have a great job and always have since I was able to work. I have been lucky ,created a great resume , take every training I can ,and always found jobs that were FUN ( from my point of view) and bring home an above average paycheck doing what I love. If I loose this job due to layoffs my hopes of finding another job in this area are slim to none. My wife and I also own a small consumer driven business. I can tell you there are lots of folks hurting financial and not very many discretionary dollars being spent. Many people are out of work , no one is hiring unless you are a Heat/AC tech, and those that have jobs are just waiting for the ax to fall. Our business is hanging on by a thread. Every time another lay off happens our thread unwinds a bit more. The "American Dream" is dead for most people I know at this point. So count your blessing and know your the exception not the rule.

[-] 1 points by Doc4the99 (591) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

This is incorrect information. Yes if you are lucky enough, come from decent SES and can get an advanced degree, you are fine. However, the service economy is a sham. The US has a failing consumption enconomy, not a production one. The one percent has sold out, gutted, outsourced, and stripped the USA for any backbone in the economy.

The US is in decay, all so a few people could make more money.

Welcome to Detriot, welcome to decay. Like the ruins in Rome or the pyramids is egypt. This is the USA, all factories gutted so the billionaires could make a few more bucks.

http://www.detroityes.com/interact/prologue.htm

[-] 0 points by bereal (235) 2 years ago

I was born and raised in Detroit. The city was destroyed by corrupt Democrats. Most of the people left the city and went to the suburbs and outlying areas and they still have jobs.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

No sir you are incorrect and rather ignorant. I have nothing more than a high school diploma and will only be without work if I want to be.

[-] 0 points by Doc4the99 (591) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

...The banks have said, leave us deregulated...don't put government in to meddle. Then with that freedom of maneuver they took huge gambles, and even made illegal actions, and then broke the world system. As soon as that happened then they rushed out to say 'bail us out, bail us out, if you don't bail us out, we're too big to fail, you have to save us'. As soon as that happened, they said 'oh, don't regulate us, we know what to do'....the public is standing there, amazed, because we just bailed you out how can you be paying yourself billions of dollars of bonuses again? And the bankers say, well we deserve it...And the problem that the Occupy Wall Street and other protesters have is: you don't deserve it, you nearly broke the system, you gamed the economy..., yet you're still in the White House [;] you're going to the state dinners, you're paying yourself huge bonuses...?" ~Jeffrey Sachs, Columbia University"

http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/1804

[-] 0 points by bereal (235) 2 years ago

Same here and same with many of the people I know.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 2 years ago

The jobs are there at 70 cents on dollar for women, most jobs want to hire white men.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Where do you get your information from? There are lots of woman working in the trades and they do receive the same pay if not more because they do a better job then their male counterpart.

[-] -2 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Isn't it funny how facts shut them up?

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

I think the problem with most people who disagree by just throwing words out ther is that they either don't have enough knowledge about what they are posting or haven't taken the time to research the subject so they can properly the present facts.

[-] -1 points by bereal (235) 2 years ago

Can you imaging having an employee like BlueHose? Bitch, bitch, bitch about everything, shows up late, no work ethic, no skills, etc. Who would hire someone like that?

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

You are wrong. I've worked along side many women in the trades and they get paid exactly the same as the men. Quit trying to be a victim all the time.

[-] -1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Well what fun would that be? So many are programmed to believe that W O R K thing will be fun for them and they can do ANYTHING they want, even if lacking the intelligence, aptitudes or skills.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Truth

[-] -2 points by bereal (235) 2 years ago

Wrong again.

[-] 1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

A lot of people are brainwashed into thinking that you have to get a college degree.

On the other side of the coin - you are right - there are jobs out there for HVAC Techs, electricians, plumbers, welders, pipefitters - the list goes on.

But the reality is a lot of the younger generation don't know how to "look for a job". They have been brainwashed into thinking that a job will be handed to you when you join the work force.

This country needs a "wake up call" and a "reality check" when it comes to understanding "economics" and what drives the economy of this country - and it isn't the government.

[-] 0 points by Doc4the99 (591) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Freedom Plaza will stay Occupied -- at least through the end of February. And the Occupy movement is planning to ramp up their demonstrations in the new year.

The protesters were granted a new permit by the National Park Service,allowing them to stay camped out near the White House from Jan. 1 through Feb. 28,the Washington Post reported.

Applicants who listed McPherson Square as their address also filed a permit to "Occupy Congress" on Jan. 17. The paperwork requested permission to demonstrate peacefully on the National Mall,"including holding signs and group speaking."

"We expect an influxof people from all over the country in January," Kelly Canavan,an volunteer at the McPherson encampment,told Roll Call. In addition to the Jan. 17 event, Canavan said the group is planning to "Occupy the Courts" on Jan. 20 and will hold another big effort on Jan. 24.

Meanwhile,the union that represents D.C. police said crime in the city has increased since the Occupiers arrived because neighborhood patrols have been reassigned to monitor the protests,reported the Washington Examiner.

  • D.C. Ward 8 Council member Marion Barry recently said he encouraged "everyone to run" for the April primary,including his former spokeswoman,Natalie Williams,who's planning to run against her former boss. But, now he has a different tune. "Natalie Williams just recently moved into the Ward and knows very little about it," Barry said in a news release Wednesday,reported the Washington City Paper's Loose Lips.

  • Texas Gov. Rick Perry has filed an emergency order asking for his name to be put on the Virginia primary ballot,and candidate Newt Gingrich,who was also left off the ballot,says he's the victim of fraud.

  • Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley appointed former Rep. Frank M. Kratovil Jr.,who served one term in Congress,to the district court in Queen Anne's County,the Baltimore Sun reported.

  • With the dismissal of a challenge to Maryland's redistricting map that made his district more competitive,10-term Republican U.S. Rep. Roscoe Bartlett says he's ramping up his fundraising efforts,WTOP reported.

  • Saying it was "time to recognize political realities," Tim Donner dropped out of the Virginia race for the Republican Senate nomination. In a statement,the owner of a television production company said "virtually the entire political establishment from the governor on down" supports frontrunner and former Sen. George Allen,the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Stay on topic or go away.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Absolutely! I have achieved success with no more formal education than a high school diploma. While I have taken many classes in my field,some at universities,I have no college degree. I currently make $52k a year and that will rise to $56k a year with my new job. Hard work can and does pay off regardless of what some people here would like you to believe.

[-] 2 points by warbstar (210) 2 years ago

It is a bit ignorant and naive to believe that hard work will always pay off. If you don't know why then I suggest that you gain perspective.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

You show your ignorance by your comment.

[-] -2 points by bereal (235) 2 years ago

Try it sometime instead of making a fool of yourself with stupid comments.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

@perspective You are sadly out of touch. Banking executives are paid multi-million dollar bonuses, some get over $100 million each, and pay no tax also. You get 52k a year. That means these guys get 2000 times what you get, and that is only their bonus. They get all sorts of extra perks also, and their base pay. Forget working hard. It is the banking crooks who are getting rich, not you.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

What does that have to do with the fact that if you have half a brain you can make a good living? I could easily crank my income up to over $100k a year if I chose to put in the hours. Your envy of people with more than you is sad.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

It has nothing to do with envy. It is just plain wrong. If you disagree with this, then I am sure I will have many more that agree with me than you. I would never accept such large sums for basically doing nothing anyway. I want to know who these people are. Why? So they can all go to jail where they belong. They are not business people or capitalists, merely greedy, corrupt and thieving bank employees.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Lol I guess we must agree to disagree because I feel the only thing that limits me in this country as far as success is myself.You and I will never see eye to eye on this I feel so there it is.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

It depends what you mean by success. If this means playing politics to get near the top of a bank, and trying your best to get as much money for yourself out of the bank, then I am against that for sure. It is no good for the bank or its stockholders (mainly pension funds) either.

If you are talking about building up a business with your own money, like Donald Trump, Warren Buffett or others have done, that is certainly OK by me. These guys can lose. The bank employee gets her or his bonus whether the bank wins or loses.

[-] -1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

I have a masters in classical music, but no formal training for the job that pays my bills. I work as a computer programmer and have been leading small teams of 3 to 5 programmers for various US companies. I feel bad posting this here since I only set foot in US a few times in my life. I never took a class, just learned on my own. I started programming when I was 8. I never had a problem finding a job. Most don't ask for formal education, and some even specifically point out that experience is what they are looking for instead of diplomas.

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

Utter fucking bullshit. Look at any jobs website or publication in the United States and you will see that not only are most employers of skilled workers (including IT workers)looking for a Bachelor's Degree at minimum but most are also looking for 5 -7 years experience for entry level jobs.

Absurd, unrealistic, the supply side job market has given potential employers an embarassment of riches.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

I'm giving you my personal experience. I'm talking about computer programming jobs specifically. I have no idea about admin jobs since I never look for those. Every time Iv'e applied for a coding job the only thing the people who hire cared about is code. Many programmers I work with and for come from other fields. The best coder working for me is also a musician.

I have formal education, but I do have 15 years experience in the field. I never really had a problem finding work. Iv'e worked for many different countries, mostly from home.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Precisely.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

I have worked at the trades since the 60's - started out as a steamfitter, moved up to welder, welding inspector, plumber, foreman, supervisor, system start up technician, HVAC Technichan, operations manager, and eventually helped run a company.

Worked on oil refineries, nuclear plants, coal gassification plants,process piping plants, and high rise buildings.

Over the years, I learned everything there was to know about the trade and as a result I never had a problem getting a job - I may have had to travel but I always had a job - and I might add very well payng jobs as you well know.

A college degree is only a starting point - you build on your experience from there and after several years if you improve your knowledge to improve your income.

Todays society don't understand that phylosophy. They think they should have it all right out of high school or college.

Well, what's going on with todays economy is an example of that kind of thinking.

[-] 0 points by BlueRose (1437) 2 years ago

These are blue collar traditionally male jobs that pay far more than "women's" jobs. How many black female pipefitters worked alongside you in the 60's?

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Go soak your head.

[-] -1 points by bereal (235) 2 years ago

I'll bet your life really sucks. You and the other OWS bums have the worst attitude I've ever seen. Get used to sleeping under a tarp in the park since you will be doing that for a very long time. Just don't blame the rest of use for your wasted life.

[-] 1 points by Doc4the99 (591) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Why are you posting on ows site. Troll, all this negativity for what.

[-] -2 points by bereal (235) 2 years ago

To piss you off.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 2 years ago

Tell the truth. You are here because you are a heavily painted lying douche bag.

[-] -1 points by bereal (235) 2 years ago

Speaking of douche bags, I could smell you coming a mile away.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 2 years ago

I find the ass in compound with the major part of your syllables.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

What does the 60's have to do with it? Quit living in the past Blue,it's making you sound bitter. There are tons of women in the trades nowadays and they make just as much and they are just as skilled and able. Many would take offense at your "womens jobs" statement.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 2 years ago

I was responding to the poster who said he worked his way up, starting in the 60's. I cannot teach you reading comprehension.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

And sadly I cannot teach you drive,initiative,and hard work.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

It's very refreshing to hear someone say the very things I've been saying for years. The trades are always looking for good people and as you said,once you become experienced the pay is very good and it's not too bad while working your way up. I also worked in the HVAC field and when asked about it I tell people that folks always want to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer,that will never change.

[-] 0 points by LiveAndLetLive (79) from Fort Lauderdale, FL 2 years ago

what? My mom told me if I manage to graduate, take a $60K education loan and attend some culinary school, get a degree and my life would be laid out for me when I join the work force! whats this "valuable skill" you are talking about?....... most of the current generation is so far from reality that its frightening!

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

You are correct about the current generation. I took the trades route and went into the HVAC field.When DDC systems(Direct Digital Control or computerized) started to become popular in HVAC applications I recognized that eventually all commercial building systems would be controlled by such systems and learned everything I could about them. I've installed and prgrammed these systems in everything from comfort cooling,boiler plants,chiller plants,lighting,clean lab,operating rooms,nuclear labs,domestic water pump systems,phone switch buildings,computer rooms,etc.

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[-] -1 points by bereal (235) 2 years ago

When the time comes to start hiring again, I will be sure to screen out the OWS members and Obummer supporters. There are a great number of business owners that are doing the same thing. The only jobs they will be able to get are at Ben & Jerry's. Enjoy your future, OWS.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

I'm just curious as to how many people will read this post and really think about the information presented here understanding that there are other options out ther.

[-] -1 points by bereal (235) 2 years ago

If they are members of OWS, it's already too late for them. They are now programed to fail.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Hard to say. A lot of people have the idea that the trades are lowly work for people who aren't smart enough to do white collar work. I can honestly say some of the most intelligent people I've ever met worked in the trades. I always laugh when I remember what a plumber once told me. he said."if it wasn't for plumbers people would still be sh*tting in the woods or in a hole in the ground. It's amazing how many people can't repair a simple faucet or replace a light switch. My saying is,"People like that make people like me money".

[-] 0 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

You are absolutely on the money ( yes pun intended here ). I too am in the trades as a partner in a small but busy construction co. There is always a demand for skilled workers. Electricians, pipe fitters, plumbers, framers, roofers and the list goes on and on.
Education is wonderful, I have always said there is nothing better than an educated plumber. Each summer I also take on a couple of HS kids for summer work, they get a real lesson in real life. Getting up and to a job on time, fullfilling whatever job they have been assigned to that day and learning some basic business and marketable skills, and the bonus is a nice check at the end of the week. As for women in the trades.. there are loads of us out there in all capacities in the trades and frankly.. we rock !

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Thank you CatLady2 and yes,you do ROCK!!!!

[-] 0 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Ya know, so many people make excuses for why they " can't do something, instead of reasons why they " can". I am a "can do" girl, thankfully thats how I was raised. My dad who is 85 now still says " There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it". I pass that info and encouragement along to my son who is 22 now, and working and reaping the benefits . He is sometimes surprised how many women are in the trades and I just remind him " hunny.. girls rule" I wish folks like us could encourage more people to let go of that tired " I can't" mentality. It stops so many from attaining thier goals.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Absolutely. For a perfect example of the "I can't" mentality see warbstar's comment above. "It is a bit ignorant and naive to believe that hard work will always pay off. If you don't know why then I suggest that you gain perspective." Isn't that a sad statement? I am living proof that hard work can and does pay off. My 22 yr old son is living on his own,works full time,takes classes at night,and has a goal of owning his own business which he is working towards. He isn't letting anyone tell him "he can't". I've taught him that he CAN and to never let anyone else convince him otherwise just because they don't have the motivation to better themselves.Many people in this world will try to tear you down just because you're successful.(see this site for numerous examples).Just because they don't have the drive to succeed they hate that someone else does. Sad indeed.

[-] 0 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Oh I know, it is sad. This has become a generation of entitled socially inept young people. Its the gimme generation. Gimme a job I graduated college.. gimme a house cause it's a right and gimme more free time. Yes many of us in my generation ( baby boomers) created it by giving too much to them. However, the one thing my son always saw was that I worked. And in order to have a roof over our heads and food on the table, that was what I needed to do. My husband died when my boy was just 2, so I raised him alone. He saw me work 3 jobs in those early years, and never once heard me complain. These days he says " mom thank you for all your hard work" and thats the best thing a parent can hear from a child. As with your son, mine will do just fine in this big world. They have drive and ambition, and encouragement. Yes hard work does pay off !

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

The people who work in the "building trades" are the people who "built this country" and they do it with pride.

[-] 1 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

We do it with pride and without complaints and whining!

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

You're right. I drive by many buildings in my city and know that the systems that heat and cool them,control the lighting,card access,and security cameras operate because of the controls I installed run them.I take a lot of pride in knowing that the temp and humidity in an Operating Room or a Clean Lab stay within limits because of my installation and programming. I take great satisfaction in watching a boiler plant or chiller plant operates correctly because of my work.

[-] 0 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Thats what makes it all so worthwhile !

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Amen Brother!!