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Forum Post: If you are getting tired of lugging all that money around, Romney has a plan to help you.

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 12, 2012, 11:48 a.m. EST by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ
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Here is a great funny video about Romney and his tax plan, from MoveOn.org so you know before you click:

http://front.moveon.org/warning-mitt-romneys-a-pickpocket

The below is from Romney’s web site it is his plan for Taxes, you would think it was 2001 and we had a surplus again. The Bush tax cut never cut the 15% marginal rate is Romney promising to do that now? or is he just saying he will keep in place the NO cut in marginal rates that working people got under the Bush Tax Cut? It is so hard to tell with these guys sometimes:

Here’s Link where I explain how there was NO marginal tax cut for working people under Bush, in case you missed it:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/wheres-the-15-tax-cut-has-anybody-seen-it/

"Individual Taxes

America’s individual tax code applies relatively high marginal tax rates on a narrow tax base. Those high rates discourage work and entrepreneurship, as well as savings and investment. With 54 percent of private sector workers employed outside of corporations, individual rates also define the incentives for job-creating businesses. Lower marginal tax rates secure for all Americans the economic gains from tax reform.

• Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates

• Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains

• Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains

• Eliminate the Death Tax

• Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)"

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[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Romney hood. Lets call a thief a thief. After running up the debt with expensive wars, tax cuts for 1%'rs, Repubs would balance the budget on the backs of the sick, poor, & elderly. It's been the right wing plan for 30 years.

Dastardly.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

and I won't cog the thread but you saw my other one, where after we do balance the budget, they scream "Washington is taking in too much money!!" and cut taxes and start the whole thing over again,

if taxes were temperature it's getting damn cold in here, I like it up around 80 myself

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

We'll never get out of debt with that plan, and so of course, government spending will remain the issue, and in time there won't be money for any regulatory efforts at all.

It should be obvious.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I have heard it was Reagan's plan to gut the government with debt so that it could not interfere with business, seems to be working. It's easy to see how they did it, people always like ice cream and tax cuts.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I doubt it was his idea - That's how the Soviet Union fell - chasing in the Arms Race - same principle as chasing that winning hand when gambling - and they give him credit for it -

The U.S. plan seems a little different, and I'm sure he didn't think it up, but it has proven quite affective.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Well maybe not, Reagan did good sound bite, I think the Soviets looked across the pond and thought look at the powerful/comfortable in the US they are not bothered by running government and their children are in no more danger of having to work than ours. How can we do that? and Soviet style democracy is born, where there has never been an elected President that wasn't already in power, unless you consider Yeltsin, and how long did that last? I have been amazed how the media talks about elections in Russia and never points out that they have never had a change of power, At least the Russian people seem to be paying attention.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I haven't followed current events in Russia too closely - I mean, I did see the changing of the guard - we can't really say Putin is back in control since he never left . . .

Basically it was just an arms race, wasn't it? One their economy could not sustain, one their political system could not back away from, and so they went broke.

And that is why Putin is allowed to remain - he understands what happened, has control of the apparatus, there is little point in attempting the difficulty of removing him since he is not only capable, smart, ruthless - he is also capable, smart, ruthless . . .

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I am no expert on the subject, just a casual observer, (which means about twice as observant as all three of 24/7 "news" networks put together), but it seems to me that when Yeltsin led his union labor movement to demand fair wages, the controlling class decided to step back from government and just start "owning" stuff the way they do in American, I think they saw American and realized that it was not that hard to keep the common folk from gaining wealth/power even with a "free" market, so they left government and took the oil/power/construction companies with them.

and yes they left Putin in charge because he knows how to can a lid on things.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

On some level they had to be aware that their system wasn't what they wanted, needed, was good for themselves or at least, did not match the aspirations they had for their kids.

And then all altruistic tendencies flew out the window as a new social order took hold, with new . . . and not so new, methods of controlling the public.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I think the people knew, I think they still do, the people almost always get it right.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

You have to be a true sociopath, don't you? to be in a position of power and influence, and realize history will look back, and be completely indifferent to the historical view?

I mean, on some level, a person in power must want it to be true, that they did good things, that their record was a plus somehow.

And Romney did pass some version of universal health care while governor.

Was his introduction of his vp running mate a concession speech?

Is that where we are? Because if it is, I think I'm supposed to find that comforting - and on some level I do -

  • and that is the most unsettling thing of all
[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I knew a sociopath for many years, Romney certainly looks like one to me, I think he really did forget about shaving that guys hair it's the sort of thing sociopaths do, of course the one I knew seemed to love to relive his moments of cruelty but he rarely did once he saw how they were received.

We have created a system where denial of guilt is an asset and then we wonder when those with no conscious take control?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

We have created a system where denial of guilt is an asset and then we wonder when those with no conscious take control?

well there is that, and it is not an insignificant consideration at all.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I was talking about the Medicare "voucher" thing and this may already be "dud" to those who know about such things, but it seems that the goal of Republicans is to turn the debate from "What does it cover?" to "What does it cost?" then all they got to do is say well the number is this and it should be that and it's like nobody really gets hurt.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

no - people really do get hurt.

look at the fucking economy. The unemployment numbers. the foreclosure numbers. Look at the fraud that was responsible for those foreclosures. The fraud by Goldman Sux that was responsible for the collapse of AIG.

Of course, Goldman robbed Ghaddafi, so they get a pass.

Meantime companies downsize or go out of business completely - because of the shambles that our economy has become.

Look at the debate over the budget ceiling. Never in history has such a debate - and there have been more than a few - inspired such tremendous market uncertainty - both market and jobs numbers began a slide six weeks out from the deadline.

People are really being hurt.

And I do believe the shit has not yet begun to hit the fan.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

"been a lot of that goin' around the last . . . fifty years"

well fifty years or so is all I can attest to, but may be even longer....

I do like for the ref to do his damn job the game works better that way,

(at the same time time I always got better than I deserved, so it's hard to know the right thing sometimes)

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

There was a poet out of London who did insist that most of us receive far better than we deserve.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

of course I meant they can make the argument that it's just a number, and no body is hurt, when they reduce it to numbers it looks better for them, till someone who understands numbers starts talking, but they want it to be about what is spent not on what is needed

a lot of people "get a pass" Goldman is just bigger than, well damn near anybody....

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

been a lot of that goin' around the last . . . fifty years

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

How do you look at America and say the rich need more?