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Forum Post: If there is any violence during the RNC/DNC Conventions and the media blames Occupy...

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 27, 2012, 3:15 p.m. EST by Endgame (535)
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We have no one else to blame but ourselves.

We know the national media is shady as hell. That is a given. But we also know that there are a small minority of Occupy that are non violent abolish government Anarchists and violent abolish government Anarchists that insert themselves into the movement. Yet we hardly ever see these supposedly non violent Anarchists visibly call out and separate themselves from the Black Bloc types.

And because of this the movement as a whole has successfully been painted in they way our enemies(corporations, wallstreet, etc) want the public to see us as.

Until we get our shit together and have a core message and a solid plan our enemies will continue to be able to define us. So again, if any violence breaks out and we are unfairly blamed we could have done something about this sooner. But we didn't.



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[-] 3 points by ZenDog (13354) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

One of the stations ran a spot last fall, on a protest in California. Members of the black bloc were intent on smashing a large plate glass window - and other Occupy protesters locked arms in front of the window and didn't let it happen.

It was great iconography - we could use a lot more of it - if only it could be scripted.

I don't pretend the movement is sufficiently organized for such scripting - it doesn't appear that it is.

I wish it were.

[-] 1 points by Endgame (535) 1 year ago

We absolutely could use more of that ZenDog. That story lets me know there is hope for this movement yet. But we have to start solving our issues and coming to a conclusion of what we want to be.

I also agree that as of now we are nowhere near as organized to pull what you suggested off. And even if we did there would probably be the Black Bloc types to show up and screw it all up...

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13354) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

someone really clever would simply use the black block to do what they do - and place individuals in position to resist. The black block wouldn't have to know anything about it - necessarily . . .

man. I need to get some daylight. It's dark in here . . .


[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

Kudos to them.

Do you recall which city that was ZD?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13354) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Not off hand - but I think it was NBC, and possibly near one of the ports. I think it was before the big port blockade, sorry I can't pin it down any better.

I did post a comment on it in the forum at the time - I'm not sure if there is a search function that will look through comments. If there is, the term

plate glass window

might find it - and that would get you close to the date.

[-] 1 points by kaiserw (211) 1 year ago

They'll blame Occupy or more likely, the Ron Paul people. It's all a media manipulation.

[-] 1 points by Endgame (535) 1 year ago

But that is the thing, we all knew the media was crooked from the get go. So why didn't we address the problems in Occupy so we would be better to suited to fight the misinformation? The Black Bloc people and the ones that support them have been playing right into the narrative of our enemies.

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 1 year ago

Please tell our folks at Occupy Raleigh (near Charlotte) who are headed to the DNC. Come to http://forum.occupyraleigh.net/

My own opinion is that it's no use trying to behave well. The authorities will do and say whatever they want. Did you ever here about a dude named Eugene Debs, just about the greatest occupier ever, led a peaceful struggle for socialism by the democratic rules? But when he decided to object to a plan called WWI where millions of workers charge directly into machine gun fire, the bosses threw away the rules, jailed Debs and smashed his movement.

[-] 1 points by Endgame (535) 1 year ago

Us "not behaving well" only hurts us. We need to fix our flaws and figure out what we truly want this movement to be and what we want to achieve. And on top we know the media is going to pay attention to the sensationalism that the extremist in the movement creates and not the substance of the movement as a whole. Over time that has created a negative narrative for Occupy. We in the movement should of been dealing with this problem a long time ago.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

If violence erupts at the conventions, the politicians have no one to blame but themselves. The mass of American voters will believe whatever they're told to believe; just as they'll vote in November for the same parties and system that have mired the US into the same old economics of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

[-] 1 points by Endgame (535) 1 year ago

You really think the politicians will blame themselves? lol not a chance. I'm not saying that Occupy will be to blame. But what I am saying is because of the what has happened to this movement and how we've allowed ourselves to play into the hands of our enemies by not challenging the extremists.

Even if every other thing you said is true, that fact is that many people will believe it is our fault because of the perception we've allowed others to paint for us.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

The politicians won't blame themselves or their masters; neither will the media. They will blame the anarchists. The stage has already been set.

Merely waving banners, peacefully refusing to move, and chanting protest songs will accomplish just that.

[-] 1 points by kaiserw (211) 1 year ago

Exactly, they'll blame Black Block or whatever. If they really have their mind set, they'll agent provocateur it.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

I would expect to see black bloc-type actions carried out by unnamed third parties.

[-] -1 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

if there is violence by ows people its their fault. THEIR fault , not the republicans. i say republicans because the democrats ( pelosi and obama are on record)back ows and would love violence.

[-] 3 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

Partisans of either party should not foul the forum with their spin, half-truths, and outright lies.

[-] 3 points by ogoj11 (263) 1 year ago

You are just plain wrong. Obama called out the cops and had our people in Occupy DC arrested, attacked, and dispersed.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Partisan anti Obama?

[-] 1 points by Endgame (535) 1 year ago

brudlo if you decide to post anything else in this thread please let it be something of substance and not something you heard on some fringy radio show.

[-] -1 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

pelosi is on tape supporting ows , so is obama.obama called out the cops? you were being used as props by the current administration.