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Forum Post: If Romney had won by three (3) votes, what would the GOP be saying?

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 11, 2012, 1:14 p.m. EST by brightonsage (4494)
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Come on. Get real. It would be, "We must purge all of those subversive lefties": And. "It's our mandate to make abortion punishable by death." And, "Round up those illegals and ship them back to California where they came from." And, "Let's investigate Congress to find out who is Anti American." And, "If you don't support the President of the United States, you are a traitor." And, "Privatize the death panels." And, "Finally, no taxes for the rich." And, "Draft the poor and send them to Afghanistan."

I am sure you can think of more obvious slogans that would surely come from the compassionate conservative "winners."

But now, you know they, being the most patriotic Americans, will rally behind the President, the only President that we have, that "we the people" elected with 332 electoral votes to 206 because they love America more than everyone else and will implement his policies with all of their heart and soul, because they know that even if he calls a bad play, that if the team runs it with a total commitment, we will ALL score? Hmmmmm. They do love America, all of it, don't they?

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[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

This sounds OT - but it is not
How many centuried DID it take for the church to ADMIT that the Earth is not the center of the universe. FACTS can be proven true of false
BELIEFS live on

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Remember that the church owned essentially all of the media (art, literature etc.) Now the 1% owns all of the media including the biggest Tokyo Rose propaganda media outlet Faux News. the WSJ etc. How many centuries do we have again?

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

If Romney had won, the "progressives" would have started speaking out and protesting when Romney did the same things they make excuses for when Obama does them.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Ha, ha , ha. Good one. Not the question.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

If Romney had won, what would have happened to the SCOTUS in future? Too frightening to dwell on!

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

That doesn't matter to these white pampered abstentionists who spend all day posting here. Them, they got it real good.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

What's their colour got to do with it? I'll bet there were plenty of people of all colours who did not vote - over a third of the electorate actually. I do not blame people for having no faith in elected duopoly politics but IF we all voted, the whole politics of this country would become much more progressive. That is why voter suppression will continue to be a huge issue going forward and why apathy is nurtured by the 1% and their MSM. Leave colour out of it and work for a real 99% rainbow alliance.

[-] 2 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

Wa state has all mail in ballots.

We don't have to wait in lines, can drop off free at collection boxes, and we have 2-3 weeks to research and decide.

States might have better results if they choose to go mail voting. At least you don't have to wait in line, and we do have a paper trail ballot.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Great point and why do we not have 'paper trail ballot' everywhere? I have kin in Seattle and I love WA. Y'all need to do some 'outreach' towards the rest of us!

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

The political abstentionists often cite these millions who do not vote. I would be impressed with these non voters if I saw them active in something like Occupy or DSA or We Are Change or Workers World or the Revolutionary Communist Party or any activist organization. Then I could say yes, truly the most advanced segments of the society have moved past elections. Then I would have to once again catch up to them. The fact is though we are talking about people who up till now have not stirred themselves from their stupor. their television, their video games, their beer, their marijuana, etc. and may not do so until after the final battle is won, when they see who won and try to join thaat side.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Duopoly is Destroying our Democracy! That is the reality. I'm not an 'abstentionist' myself because I still perhaps foolishly believe that voting can change things but we need more parties and at least one or two to represent 'labor'. This current corporate duopoly only represents capital and will never serve the 99%!

[-] 2 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I agree that the act of voting is of little consequence. In this case, as I have said before, which was the first time I voted in a Presidential election since 1968, the issue was pretty clear to me: Stopping the momentum of a coalition of "legitimate rapists", gay basher, haters of black people, despisers of the poor.That was done in spite of the overwhelming advantage they had in Wall Street and billionaire money. If anything has dented "citizen's united" it is the outcome of this election. Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers and the Wall Street crowd were reminded "you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

The individual's act of voting is perhaps materially 'of little consequence' BUT together, collectively - something else IS possible. As you point out yourself, the 99% (or some fraction of them) gave Wall Street and the Kochs a bloody nose this time. We, the 99% need to be the 'citizens united' and remove these usurpers. I have get to get to feeding the crew now, so happy holiday and solidarity to you. Never Give Up! GO OCCUPY!

[-] 2 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

If you are involved in Occupy Sandy or some other relief effort, God be with you my friend.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Oh no! I didn't mean 'crew' like that, lol - I meant the six teenagers and various others that I will now start making dinner for! Sorry to disappoint you but God be with you too, friend :)

[-] 2 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

If you are a mom or a dad or caregiver to kids or any person at all you are golden in my book!

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

I have to be all of those things sometimes because there's only one of me and six of them: 3 of my own, 2 adopted and 1 nephew, so it can be exhausting but it's also rewarding. Thank you for your kind words.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

You are Royalty in my view, in the very best sense of that word.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

'Royalty'? I'm not at all sure that there is a 'best sense of that word' so thanks but no thanks 'cause they are the top of the tree parasites! Still thanks for your kind words and here's an article from another post, which I really liked - http://wagingnonviolence.org/2012/01/how-swedes-and-norwegians-broke-the-power-of-the-1-percent/ . Regards to you and yours and I'm away to my work now. Peace.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

you're right. I shouldn't call my little granddaughter a "princess" either, I guess, even though she wants to be one.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Lol! Call her 'princess' all you like, she'll grow out of it soon enough but also teach her (as I'm sure you do) how to love, how to care, how compassion and love beats fear and hate, how we are all dependent on each other and this beautiful planet and how we all are part of making things better and safer for all our futures. Don't do that all at once though, it could be too much! Blessings of peace to you, 'princess' and all your loved ones.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

They are active in Occupy you nitwit.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

All three hundred of them.

[-] -2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

At this point with current numbers, 300 would be nice.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

There you go, you've only reinforced my point. If the non voters were truly more advanced than the voters - if they were activist and proactive revolutionaries or even activist liberals, well, I'd have to say that the vote is nothing more than a distraction from the struggle, and that the masses are more advanced now. I am saying that overwhelmingly these non voters just aren't all that interested in changing the world, and the fact that they are legion is a bad thing, not a good thing.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

There is difference between those who dont vote because they are too lazy/just dont care and those that see this as a totally busted system.

I know quite a few people who dont vote who could talk circles around the average voter, and do way more for their communities too.

All depends on the individual.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Look, you thought that if only three hundred of these ninety million non voters would get active with Occupy it would be a terrific thing! I'd say if one half of one percent got busy in any progressive movement at all the world would change and the electoral system would be left in the dust.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

OWS should have organized a apolitical write-in; if y'all like Adam Smith than run him; run Oprah, run Assange, run Glenn Hobbs, Machiavelli, who cares - but send a message on the order of millions.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

'Write-in ballots' are a really good idea but a paper ballot trail is essential for that and I think that hand counted paper ballots are the last safe guard of our failing democracy. How do you 'write-in' on a Diebold machine? After only a year OWS has done a lot but yes, there is much left to do too.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Most paper ballots today are scanned.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

A supervised hand counted physical paper ballot count is THE best, most auditable and secure method of exercising our vote. Electronic systems do not even come close to being as transparent or effective and their real purpose is malign. Period.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

I agree; I don't like the scanners, either. We all know these can be hacked, controlled remotely, and even modified to yield a specific result.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Electronic Voting, what IS the point? We have plenty of good people who can be called up to help with a manual count come election time - hell, we could even pay them for their time! We would also have the physical ballots to recount on any challenge and for audit and there could be a blank 'write in' box too.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

We can't trust a digital vote; we have no idea at this point who won this election.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

We can be sure of who LOST the election though, right, lol? Just how sure are you really about both GDubyaBush's election 'victories'? That is where digital voting shenanigans really started and not to at least see if not accept that point would make you a what, a Republican? Remember Florida 2000 or Ohio 2004?

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

I remember FL vividly; not an issue with me - Gore bombed in the last week, caught in lies. And I definitely don't care about Ohio.

The point is I do not trust the digital vote.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Well, we at least agree on something, lol! No to digital shenanigans; yes to manual counting paper voting slips.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I believe cheating is possible either way. In the end electronic w/ paper trail and the ability to individually check our votes is probably the best way.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Why electronic voting? What purpose is really served by that? Are digital voting machines more or less secure? So again, from above: ' A supervised hand counted physical paper ballot count is THE best, most auditable and secure method of exercising our vote. Electronic systems do not even come close to being as transparent or effective and their real purpose is malign.' - and - 'Electronic Voting, what IS the point? We have plenty of good people who can be called up to help with a manual count come election time - hell, we could even pay them for their time! We would also have the physical ballots to recount on any challenge and for audit and there could be a blank 'write in' box too.' Please think on it.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Thank you very much.

Peace to you. And good luck in all your good efforts.

Consider this. Banks have gone to electronic transactions wherever possible. They have managed to assure security and expand to enormous sizes. People counting introduces millions of potential cheaters.

Peace

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I just think that the problem with vote counting is always people problems. If we stay with physical people counts we have millions of potential people problems.

With electronic voting we only have the people involved with the programming to "watch" We can pay people to verify programming and vote security a lot easier than watching millions of vote counters.

That's all I'm saying.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

I disagree very strongly for reasons already explained. There are always 'people problems' in human affairs and please reread my previous reply. Peace.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Manual paper and redundant oversight.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

And your point is? Please read my reply to VQkag above and reflect a little. Thanks.

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

And you think white lefties should be what - black?

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

No, just pro black.

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Do you mean then anti-white?

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

No nitwit, just anti white privilege and anti white arrogance. A lot of whites will read that as being against themselves, but it's an appeal to white people's decency and humanity.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Oh sure, of course it is... but this goes back to a question I asked initially - if I have but one job and two applicants, one black and one white, who do I give that job to? If I give it, as some suggested, fairly, to the most qualified, and he or she just happens to be white, will you still label me as "pro black"? Well, possibly. But if this should by coincidence happen repeatedly, you definitely will not. The point is, your version of pro black will at some point require that I be anti-white; likewise to be pro white is to be anti black. Who created this madness anyway? In the modern era, with its many avenues of equal opportunity, why does the Left continue to stoke the fire of difference? Again to insist that I am pro black is to insist that I be anti-white, and I understand the cultural struggle, but I cannot promote another over my own; evolution will not permit me to do this.

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

That's how you view things, from the point of view of a white nationalist. You really should be banned from this forum. (But they won't ban you. The Canadians save that for people who annoy DKA, another white nationalist).

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Fuck Off ShitHead2.

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Gee, did I hit a raw nerve? Hope I did.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Shubee-do-be-dooo. Stick your head back up your (x).

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

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got that?

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

This isn't nationalism; it's identity. We identify as "white" people. And this occurs precisely because of difference.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

It occurs because you have received the stolen patrimony of colonized peoples and you want to believe that you've "earned" that loot.

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Oh believe me, I've earned every bit of the "loot" I've gotten.

Patrimony, you mean as in Gay marriage?

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I'm talking about the land you stand on, the rights you have, the advantages over others in housing, jobs, the justice system, inheritance of living in a home with decent conditions and education. Perhaps an extra inside track (other than being white) in some job, deal, purchase, school? Not all whites have that one. These are all things that are called "advantages." When you have them because of who you were born to you haven't "earned" them. "Advantages" are things that the "disadvantaged" don't have. That's why they're called "disadvantaged."

[-] 1 points by RedDragon (-161) 1 year ago

While all of these things you mention may truly be "advantages," they are yet all things we have worked for.

My white advantage got me a futon to live on in someone's basement at 18; it afforded me no employment advantage whatsoever, there were no inside tracks; nor did it afford me an educational advantage, quite the opposite, it denied me affordable access freely granted to minorities.

So I think you are way off base here... and NOW you as "Pro Black" are insisting that we who have both worked from the very bottom up, and given, give more... "disadvantaged" is just total and complete bullshit.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

He didn't say anything like that. Stop putting words in his mouth, trying to make trouble.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Thanks for going to bat with me on this post.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

no prob. That particular user just attacks. He ain't really worth expending much energy on. But I had to respond to his mischaracterizing comment.

[-] -2 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Well, what is he saying? Is he saying that if I have one job available and two applicants, that I should grant that job to the black guy? Is he saying that in the struggle for healthcare, that I should withhold tax from my white employee so we can give those dollars to black man who did not get my job?

In the struggle for resources (emphasis on struggle because as we all know there are not enough to go around) how does one be pro-black without being anti-white?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It is not a zero sum game. In fact there is plenty enough to go around for all races.

Suggesting there ain't enough sounds like the conservative strategy of using fear to get support for selfish, greedy, anti people policies.

Most of us are smart enough to recognize that people who are scared get more conservative. This is why republicans are fear mongering propagandists.

So if there are 2 applicants for one job, hire the best one.

Healthcare?, create a public option? it would be the cheapest method of delivering healthcare. Those who pay taxes will always pay for those who don't. (regardless of color, since most unemployed non tax payers are white)

Ok?

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Oh really? You should tell that to the unemployed. Tell it to the people who have no healthcare. Tell them both black and white that there is plenty to go around; really - they'll be very glad to hear that.

This particular election cycle has put increased pressure on white against black and black against latino; all so a party could stay in power to expand their monied agenda.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

no increased pressure between races. Maybe in your mind. Andthose who lean towards racial issues.

And what I would tell the unemployed is that there IS plenty to go around, but the top 1% have hoarded it all over the last 30 years.

Time to get OUR money back.

Are you with us?. Equity, fairness, justice!

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

You don't think black and latinos lean towards racial issues? As in greater opportunity?

You'll never get your tax dollars back; they're gone. NY currently I think gets some 95% back, the problem is that none of it goes to the people who paid those taxes. They reap a virtually zero benefit.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

NY has always paid more to the fed govt than we get back. We accept that because we are one the wealthiest states.

And no black & latino Americans are not thinking about racial issues. They are thinking about the same issues all people do. Jobs, healthcare, justice,

So you are wrong! Again, As always.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

You could be right; it could be it's just white people that think this way or in terms of us against them, us against the world, etc. If you've studied immigration law and politics you'll realize that the struggle has always targeted others on which to hang animosity in a world of far too little opportunity.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

When the party you associate with is always filling your head with fear that the other groups are out to get you (your job, you property, your tax dollars) you can't be blamed.

They know if they keep you scared you will be more conservative and more easily support the selfish agenda they offer.

Don't believe the hype. We're all in this together. Race is not the delineation, it's the 1% who want us to fight over race so wedon't focus on them while they take our money.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

I don't associate with a party; I have never accepted this party which continuously favors the corporations over the working class; the conservatives have amended their agenda in ways I cannot support, and I will never accept the moral dystopia, or dystopia in general, of the current ruling party.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Now you are scaring me.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

That has been scaring me for well over a year but now I can share more easily. I made the point until I was blue in the face because I live in a swing state but it went blue too so my facial colour is back to normal now - pale and sun starved until spring!

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

My battle ground went blue, too. I am just afraid Scalia, Kennedy and Thomas will still be there next election.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Just imagine Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Kennedy with three new mini-me's! Pretty frightening, huh? I do not generally wish ill on people but honestly - one or more of those kicks the bucket any time soon and I'm throwing a party and as you'll recall, you're invited. The SCOTUS is a big problem for the 99%.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

I will hitchhike through a blizzard.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

The SCOTUS changes and I'll load a banquet on my trucks and me and the kids will meet you half way and party on! In point of fact, I'm about to hit the kitchen and feed the team now so here's hoping for a better tomorrow for us all, wherever we are.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Deal, I'll drink to that. We have a window to start making the changes so that we deserve the government we want.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Right on 'brigton' and for a very 'sage' comment, please read this - http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-do-not-believe-you-can-build-a-movement-on-a-lie/#comment-874847 & happy holiday :)

[-] 3 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

That is an excellent post. The debt problem could and should be addressed by major cuts in the defense budget and both parties refuse to even mention that. If we cut defense spending to equal that of China (supposedly our biggest potential adversary.) or if we are still paranoid, to that of Russia and China combined, or if we are psychotically paranoid, to that of the five largest countries defense spending, we could still cut it by $400 BILLION per year. That works out to an even $4trillion added to the $4 trillion that Obama already cut and you have cut, not just the deficit, but the actual DEBT in half in ten years modest increases thereafter would allow the entire debt to be paid off in another ten years. $300 billion still being spent would still look crazy big and threatening to other countries. No doubt that we could negotiate cuts by the Chinese, Russians and others in nuclear weapons, navies, and tactical weapons if we would cut ours that much, which would actually decrease our risk. And no, I am not interested in being Secretary of Defense,

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

The 'excellent post' in question was written by Buttercup on this thread - http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-do-not-believe-you-can-build-a-movement-on-a-lie/ .Your great point about our simply massive military expenditure is absolutely fundamental and should never be ignored. How can we address any budgetary issues without addressing this matter? Thank you for your important comment.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Now yes, I can too but it was more frightening than I can explain until only a few days ago! It has come to something that things not getting much worse too soon is as much as we hope for & so such a relief!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The corpoRATs lost on their big money buy out attempt. It "IS" a huge relief.

But we gotta continue the program of outreach and education as well as continuing campaigns like Move to Amend - and starting new campaigns - like kicking progress blocking politicians out of office.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

I support 'Move To Amend' but sadly I can't believe or agree that 'the corpoRATs lost on their big money buy out attempt'. Corporations own the DemParty too at the upper level. There is really a big disconnect between Dem voters like me and the party machine. I support The Green Party but in swing OH, I had no options. Corporations are legal entities and they are so powerful because they are backed by laws that they help to write. The SCOTUS factor is massive and we need change there asap.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

We need to continue the education outreach and campaigns.

Tweeted today : If there isn't a Hoarding Wealth Issue - then what is the over 30 trillion hidden off shore all about?

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

'If there isn't a Hoarding Wealth Issue - then what is the over 30 trillion hidden off shore all about?' - I don't know about 'tweeting' but that needs shouting out LOUDLY! Nice one.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I have had 2 small news services ask to follow me in the last 2 days. Share information on social media Folks.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

The kids do 'facebook' but 'social media' is all too mysterious for me. Hope you can 'tweet' some of the excellent posts and threads here.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I do tweet good posts and many many articles and videos and such.

Getting to a wider audience. Outreach. Share/Circulate.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6638) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

What's that about? The news services, I mean. They want to follow you on Twitter?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yeah - I have a few that have asked to follow my twitter account - a couple just recently.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6638) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

That's excellent. Keep up the good fight (computer probs, or I would've answered sooner!).

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I love it when something can have such impact - Love it more when something turned out by the corrupt - turns around and bites em.


[-] 1 points by gnomunny (3736) from St Louis, MO 3 minutes ago

They certainly didn't! I can't get over the fact that the web was invented by the government and now is turning into their worst nightmare. Well, not the worst probably but you know what I mean. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6638) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Yep.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Absolutely amazing - who knew how powerful/useful social media could be?


[-] 3 points by gnomunny (3736) from St Louis, MO 7 minutes ago

They didn't but OWS did. That's amazing, imo. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6638) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

They certainly didn't! I can't get over the fact that the web was invented by the government and now is turning into their worst nightmare. Well, not the worst probably but you know what I mean.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - the MSM sure as hell didn't change the conversation in this country this last year.


[-] 2 points by gnomunny (3736) from St Louis, MO 0 minutes ago

I believe social media is a big game changer. The dissemination of info is one of our greatest assets. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6638) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

They didn't but OWS did. That's amazing, imo.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well good to see you have the problems fixed. I've actually had a couple of senators request to follow in the past. You never know who is gonna see what and then respond when you post on social media.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6638) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I believe social media is a big game changer. The dissemination of info is one of our greatest assets.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

I'm sorry, I thought Romney lost. Based on what I have been hearing from his supporters, the choice between two visions for moving forward was a close contest, therefore they won. Hmmmmm. A 332 to 206 result equals a mandate for the 206 guys? Curious.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

that there is an overwhelming mandate to stay the course

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

"If you don't support the President of the United States, you are a traitor."

Unless the president is only half caucasian and a democrat. Then he's a Muslim socialist from Kenya even though he's shown his birth certificate, had to denounce his former Christian minister to get elected, has continued Bush regime policies, and strongly admires Ronald Reagan. Then you absolutely must oppose him and get him out of the White House in 2012 and cry and propose a treasonous march on Washington upon failing.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Oh, I forgot. OK, then. Let's see that diploma and the transcripts.

[-] -2 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

The problem of the tone of this thread is it just causes trouble. Not constructive. The problem is we as a nation are so split between the left and right that nothing gets done. The hate between the left and right is so venomous there is no room for reasonable discussion. Both side would rather see the country go up in flames rather than talk to the other side. Unless you haven’t noticed, Americans are split approximately 50 – 50, conservative and liberal. So if we hate each other so much what do expect the politicians to do?

I say it’s time to stop the name calling and fist shaking and try to work together. Alas, that’s probably not going to happen with threads like this being the norm.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

First there isn't any name calling in it. Second, some of the comments are essentially quotes we have already heard or are paraphrases of what we have heard. The point is that since the election, the hyperbole of eminent disaster has been gathering momentum. The GOP were so sure that Obama either was discredited by his actions or through their lies (birthers etc.) but when he got reelected, in spite of their efforts, he became legitimate again. So, if the House considers continuing their total obstruction, they have gone beyond the excesses of campaign rhetoric into something more serious. Then they really are acting against the interests of the legitimate government of the United States. That is a lot more harmful than my satirizing their past tactics. They aren't attacking a political adversary but the government that the majority of the country just reelected. That debate is over.

In that context, we should go back to debating policy and all of it is fair game.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What shouldwe do about the tax cut issue facing the nation?

We have a bill to extend all tax cuts for people who make under $250k annually.

Should we pass it?

Without discussing left or right, conservative, or liberal. What would you advise our politicians to do?. And why?

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

I don’t care one way or another if they pass it. It won’t make a difference. I’d much rather see the tax loop holes for corporations closed. That would be more significant; and that’s something most people would get behind.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh so most people would say "I don't want to extend my tax cuts, I just want corps to lose loopholes"?

Is that what you expect me to believe?

Sounds like the republican position. Why can't we have both? What happened to working together?

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

The tax cut extension or increased taxes for those making 250K won’t make a dent. Neither matter in the bigger picture of a 16 trillion debt. We need a new tax code, one without all the loopholes for individuals and corporations. But mostly we just need to cut spending to the bone. Spending is the problem; and raising taxes won’t fix the spending problem.

Actually I don’t know why I got into this discussion. My belief is the economy is too far gone for the politicians to fix. We’re past political solutions. Not only on the economy, but also on most social issues. I think the economy will fail. It’s too late to fix it. That has all kinds of connotations. Maybe we’ll get luck and we’ll have a soft landing, but I’m not holding my breath.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So what should we do?

Is it time to hoard food & ammo?

Buy gold? build a bunker?

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

I don’t know what we can do at this point. I doubt anything we do will solve the 16 trillion dollar debt. I also don’t believe it’s time to start hoarding food and prepping for an EOTWAWKI event; at least not yet. If SHTF occurs as so many people seem to be talking about these days, it’ll most likely be in slow motion, taking several years. The government will implement several stop gap measures to stall a hard, overnight, financial collapse.

So to more directly answer your question. I don’t know what to do. And all the fortuneteller who seem to know what the future brings are just making their best guess. For me personally, I already own lots of guns and ammo. Former hunter and gun hobbyist who still likes to play with guns. I also own a small farm, but now live in town to be near the kids and grandkids. If I had to, I at least, have a place to go if SHTF occurs.

Things will get worse the government will do what it can and the conservatives and liberals will continue to want to kill each other. Good day.

Also, unrelated. Several web sites have mentioned citizen petitions are being submitted to the presidential web site requesting states be allowed to secede from the US. I read citizens from twenty States have submitted petitions and collecting signatures. I don’t know how valid this is, but I seen it twice, once on youtube.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You gonna sign?

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Oh hell no. I don’t want to be put on the no fly list or some other potential subversive list. Getting paranoid in my old age I guess. Besides, it’s just a bunch of disgruntled Romney fans throwing a tantrum.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh but if you could do it without any penalties you would right?

You would like to secede wouldn't you? Which states are the 20 states.?

Do you think they would succeed? Maybe if they all moved to one state they could try.

Do you think we would let them secede?

Or would beat there sorry racist asses, like we did the 150 years ago?

Aaaaaaaaah ha ha ha ha ha!

[-] -3 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

Obama is going to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and he has no choice. The majority of his campaign funds came from the 1% and now it is payback time, he owes them the favor and will keep his promise

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok. If you say so. Is that what you want? Do you think the House should pass the tax cut extension for those who make under $250k?

[-] -3 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

It is something that he will do to pay back the 1%'s (his buds) for voting for him and contributing to his campaign. Obama only cares about the rich and used the poor and middle class to get a second term

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yeah I heard you.

Do you think the House should pass the tax cut extension for those who make under $250k?

[-] -2 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

I do not but your hero obama does

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Why? Are you against tax cuts for the middle class.? Sounds like repub talking points. Are you a repub plant?

[-] -2 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

I am not but by time obama is done there will only be two classes of Americans, the very rich and the very poor

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Irrelevant nonsense.

So your not against middle class tax cuts but do not support the House passing the middle class tax cut extension?

Because Pres Obama wants it?

[+] -4 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

Please take your morning meds before you make any more comments

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Personal attacks already? That was a quick beating. You lose. Can't argue the facts? HA! Smoked your sorry racist ass as always!.

So your not against middle class tax cuts but do not support the House passing the middle class tax cut extension?

Why?