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Forum Post: I know we love to bash the damned ۞M۞S۞M۞

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 3, 2012, 12:35 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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But I challenge anyone to listen to an hour of MSNBC
where there is not at least ONE use of the word LIE
calling out the endless LIES from the Rs


While it as only a tiny level above trivia, paul's LIE about his marathon performance shows not just his level of dis-honesty, but it shows the level to which his supports have sunk.


hitler did not give us WW II - the german lemmings did


unless we stand up against these LIES -
what disaster will willard's lemmings give us? war with iran?
end medicare?
a national religion?
end inheritance tax?
dispand EPA?
outlaw abortion?


If you think about it, you can figure out something you can do

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[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Don't worry. Obama is a lock. The bombs are still dropping and banks are still robbing. No need to replace.

And congress will remain the same pathetic group of D and R political lightweights because America is too lazy to create their own things.

You have absolutely nothing to worry about. More of the same to come. A slow race to the bottom.

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[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

It's spoken like someone who wants a totally new system, and is sick and tired of this bullshit.

Welcome to Occupy.

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[-] -2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Do you see any new options popping up?

Im not talking about tshirts. Im talking about new political parties. Anything?

I know of a couple. Do you?

[-] 0 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

He already has a political party that he is perfectly content with in the Democrats.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Patriot act renewed and habeas corpus suspended. No need to replace. Thats nothing short of fact jack. Maybe you are the shill. Getting tired of your partisan bullshit. hchc is part of the 99% whether you like it or not.

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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well of course hchc is part of the 99% he may be a 1% wannabe but he aint got the cash for membership. So he is also often confused(?) in his comments - it just makes him a confused(?) 99%'er.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Why would I be a 1% wannabe?

And why is someone who never participates in most DA and GA giving so much commentary on OWS?

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I am also of the 99.99 % I have as much right to speak out in favor of OWS or any Occupy Movement/group as any one else. Because I do my speaking on line is not a factor.

As to your opening question? I don't know. But you seem to be a little inconsistent when you are not being apparently/depressed/self-defeatist.

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[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Was that link I sent you a while ago the right one?

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[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

So now OccVermont is using repelican tactics....you are on a roll dude. Keep up the good work.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Just more anti dem partisan campaigning.

You must know you don't fool anyone.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Then call me a Republican if it suits you. Anyone who reads my blog knows where I stand, they don't need your opinion making.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Listen I don't care what you are. I'm commenting on you anti dem partisan political attack!

You serve republicans when you spew the fallacy the parties are the same. And when ignore the real progress we've made in the face of massive1% plutocrat resistance!

But you don't have to be a republican. You could just be ignorant that you serve them with these anti dem partisan political attacks. I don't know. and I don't care.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

The politicians we have now with the exception of Dennis Kucinich, I don't see to be republicans or democrats. Most republicans are just like democrats in that they go to work, try to provide for their family, and vote their conscience. And like some dems on his forum, some republicans also tow the party line and shit on anyone that doesn't walk in lock step.

You have no interest in the 99% and you make that clear with every word you type. Your interest lies in keeping the people divided as stated in the about section of this forum. You embody the very thing that Occupy is fighting. The division of the people is your goal and it shows.

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[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

The president himself gave the OK for the actions of DHS during the protests at the ports last year. Per documents obtained by FOIA requests and tweeted by OccupyNYC over the last 2 months. Also reported by the nation and other non-MSM media. Occupy or party lapdog, you can't be both.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"lapdog" Your offensive namecalling simply betrays the vacant arguments you hold.

I protest this prresident more than I protest the repubs. I don't need to prove anything to you. Your a common bully. I refuse to allow lies and exagerations to go unchallenged regarding which party can serve the 99% and which is actively working against us.

Who cares about the port protests? What are you kidding. Money out of politics. Indef detention, war, tax reform,. healthcare reform, fin reform, equality for minority groups, womens rights. The port protests"?. Stop! We must move forward there's an election in 8 weeks.

Don't let the rightwing get more power or OWS will be crushed and you will be widhing for some Obama port protest action.

LMFAO!

Trust Kucinich.

We MUST replace pro 1% conservatives with pro 99% progressives.

And stop serving the 1% trumpeteers with anti dem partisan political attack campaigning!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the closing of the ports for a day did not wreck the economy

people talk about lost commerce is if it were the end of the world

A twisted sense that the world always work to survive

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Oh my!

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

The president himself gave the OK for the actions of DHS during the protests at the ports last year. Per documents obtained by FOIA requests and tweeted by OccupyNYC over the last 2 months. Also reported by the nation and other non-MSM media. Occupy or party lapdog, you can't be both.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You are repeating yourself, and continuing the schoolyard namecalling. I guess I win.

You have been dispatched, And thus dismissed.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

many people vote their interests not their conscience

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Depends on their level of engagement with the issues.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

indeed

some stand to gain or lose if policy changes

if the government stopped supporting the military spending,

people that make bombs will lose money

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Living near a base that does research and testing, our paper is always full of pro-contractor propaganda. The headline is usually to the effect of (Military budget cuts = Great depression). Pisses me off to no end especially because it comes from a dick who is supposed to be in charge of our tourist development center. What the fuck is a tourist developer doing spreading military propaganda? Know what I mean...

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

people support issues to support the group that supports them

government talks cuts more than starting new programs

perhaps tech industry can move to light rail and robotic surgery

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I guess you could say he's good at what he does, because he's done a marvelous job of division here. I say he put in for a pay raise. God knows, he's earned it.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

what is the division ?

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

It's here, although it's not very visible. One side = let's talk about Obama and Romney. The other side = let's talk about everything but.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

Obama and Romney get coverage in mainstream media

so much so that they define the other issues that are discussed

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

That's probably true. Maybe it's a problem, I don't know.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

:D good call. Give the man a raise!

[-] 4 points by flip (7174) 2 years ago

me and v are the same - boy you have no idea what is going on - i wonder about your reading comprehension skills. 400 or less gives a clue to that. no hope for you but thanks for the passing grade - 95 or 65. i really hope your cooking is ok since your brain is not good at this stuff

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Be sure to read up and down the thread. It's an interesting conversation.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

You advocate for infinite spending and V beats up on anyone not walking in lock step with the Dems. The problem with our political system is that politicians think the public is generally stupid so they can say whatever and the public will swallow it whole. You and V are obviously of the same mindset thinking that people on here don't see what you're up to. With all your down votes, the fact that both of you are challenged on your shit should tell you something. NOBODY IS BUYING YOUR SHIT.

I'm a registered Dem and what you have accomplished is pushing me out. I'm not voting, period. Way to go. Tell your boss that you failed.

[-] 3 points by flip (7174) 2 years ago

like i said i hope you can cook since you have no clue about anything else - if you think the dems are buying what i am selling (and hudson and kelton are talking about - oh sorry i forgot you can't read anything beyond 400 charecters so you have no idea about their concept - too bad is a very helpful piece of knowledge) - you must be smoking your cooking not eating it. the dems are the party of austerity lite - the gop is cut more. they both want to trim the deficit and cut spending - social security, medicare, education all have to be cut (no cutting the military or taxing the rich - maybe raise the top rate 2% - wow). the poor will have too fend for themsleves - the only difference is that obama will smile at you as he cuts you and maybe cut you a bit more slowly. read this in regard to obama - http://www.zcommunications.org/all-eyes-on-chicagos-teachers-by-shamus-cooke - oh, i forgot again you can't read long peices - have i gone over your limit. vq cannot stand any critisism of his leader - i didn't vote for the stink bomb the first time and won't this time. if i have had a part to play in you not voting for him great but it seems for all the wrong reasons - why am i not surprised.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

You can Ass-ume it's because I'm dumb sure. The lack of ability to articulate your thoughts in a reasonable amount of space says something completely different.

Let me help you. I have done the thinking for you in block quotes.


Not surprisingly, you fail to see that I'm not advocating for either side as I see them both as wanting to cut. In contrast, V is a polarizing figure. But if you'd eat your cooking instead of smoking it you would see that.

Related reading: http://www.zcommunications.org/all-eyes-on-chicagos-teachers-by-shamus-cooke


You see that? Maybe if you would assemble your thoughts before touching the keyboard, you could make yourself understood.

[-] 2 points by flip (7174) 2 years ago

first of all it is an article not a book - do you know the difference. so you can give tests but but don't have the balls to take one - no surprise. you couldn't do it since it would show that you cannot understand others and not just what i write. or maybe it is a clever ruse to gain time to read it or maybe call your lifeline - no you are not that clever are you? i understand your point i just happen to disagree with it. i can speak to the man in the street better than you since i understand the economy better than you. those who want to understand what i am saying have no trouble - you don't want to - you want to hang on to your ron paul, shill for the rich religion of deflation. it is ass backwards and the facts that point that out are simple to comprehend. you just don't like them so you ignore them - very smart it is your only real defense to the facts. keynes story of money in bottles is a perfect example. a child could figure out how that explodes the gold standard (and thus the whole thrust of the economics of the ruling class) if they want to! you don't want to - it would force you to change your mind - you do know what keynes said about changing his mind don't you? here it is with the citation just in case you publish it on your blog - John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946) : "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" (The Economist, 1999-12-18, p.47; reply to accusation of inconsistency)

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

I'm not reading anything else from you until you can at least break up your paragraphs. This resistance to your rants is something you should become accustomed to if you are unwilling to cater to ease of communication. People get tired of run-on blathering and simply stop listening, I'm sure you're familiar.

[-] 2 points by flip (7174) 2 years ago

your use of language was not quite accurate - you forgot to put - by me - at the end of your last sentence. having said that i notice that you did understand what i said so no need to change my style - sorry you don't like it - or can't follow it or whatever the complaint is. no i am not really sorry since if you understood me and agreed with me i would wonder what i ws doing wrong! now read shamus and let me know what you think- that should take a while - your turn to take a test. this is a reading comprehension test - let's see how you do - time is part of your grade and there are no cliffnotes - yikes! i think you will fail - you must review it is 400 charecters or less and you have 30 minutes - go!

[-] -3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

lol. I'm not going to read any books on demand. I am glad you understood what I was getting at. You can rebel in spite of your own growth with regard to communication, your choice. But, you also know I'm not the only one having a hard time understanding your views.

It is important to me that those who actually support Occupy do what is needed in order to make concise points from here on out. You and I both know the economy is about to do some interesting things and that will amplify the voice of Occupy. It's important that the voice of Occupy can also be easily understood when that time comes. People will not only be watching the protests when the time comes, but many many more will be looking to the web to see what Occupy is saying.

This is also why I advocate for blogs by Occupy supporters as Occupy limits what is said by the GA, instead choosing to allow the movement to speak for itself. If you don't have a blog, I recommend you get one set up, quickly. Use the draft option and don't be afraid to take your time. The Occupy narrative applies to a broad segment of time.

You obviously don't have to listen to any of my recommendations but what is more important to me than any point being made by any one person is the ability to say it in a manner digestible by the masses when the masses begin searching for it in the near future.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

So accomplished, If you do say so yourself.! Toot your own horn much?

Now you just need to learn how to prove an accusation!

Anti dem partisan much?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You are rude, disrespectful, abusive, condescending, anti dem partisan, and not very smart.

Still waiting for the evidence supporting the horrible lies you have spewed about me behind my back.

Oh and a coward!

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

You have nothing of interest to offer. I'm not interested in the opinions of an in-full-traitor.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

So because you and your partisan friends refer me to the "about" section is your evidence that I have created a "divide"?

That is inadequate proof. You are clearly an unintelligent individual. You don't understand what real evidence is. If you do then you have failed to find any because there is none!

You and your anti dem partisan friends just can't stand someone challenging your anti dem partisan lies.

Your flimsy proof also is not adequate to justify the constant disrespect, maligning me behind my back (be a man! face me and present real evidence) and uncivil discourse.

Why don't you review the concepts of evidence, and what is right & wrong here. Keep in mind I have never been banned, nor have I ever been spoken to by the mods. So I will offer that as my evidence that I have done nothing wrong.

Are you familiar with the rules regarding excessive unsubstantiated, abusive treatment of people on this forum?. If not you should review that as well.

Get educated. Don't waste our time if you don't understand basic things like evidence, and right and wrong.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

I'm a registered Dem, showing respect for people on the other side of he aisle. Lead by example.

Take notes.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You know it's true. That's all.

Traitor? Proof!? None!

Unintelligent, anti dem partisan, coward!

[-] 0 points by flip (7174) 2 years ago

like i said you can't pass the test so the best thing to do is not take it - first smart thing you have done in a while - can you cook?

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Without a concise point from you, I see no justification for a test. While this reply was better, you still didn't use it to clarify your position. Yes, I can cook. When you can communicate your position, I will also entertain your request.

Yes, I can cook. And do most of the work involving the construction of commercial buildings (aside from electrical, scary stuff), and develop websites, build computers, set up and maintain networks, fix ATMs, fix automobiles, and recently I have been improving my spelling and grammar. It's a life long pursuit.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Why don't you stop personally attacking me? What have I done to you? I have only ever been respectful of you. You're accusations are incorrect. I am not polarizing, anything, and I am not trying to. I am not "working for a party" Maybe you are with all you anti dem partisanship political campaign rhetoric. I don't know but I have done nothing to YOU!

Even your comments to flip are insulting and condescending. You think that is ok? It ain't. I just another exchange you had with another person here and again you were insulting and condescending! You think you are better than everyone it seems. I got news for you. treating people so poorly makes yuo worse than everyone.

STOP!. BEHAVE!

Why can't you just be respectful and stick to the truth!

It is life affirming.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Because you embody the partisan divide used to create a smoke screen for the treason taking place in Washington. You have been directed to the about section of this forum several times so you know that your talking points are contrary to the Occupy narrative. You're an in-full-traitor.

Flip? Well trying to decipher what the fuck he/she is saying is challenging and leaves his/her position open to speculation. Hopefully he/she will slow his/her mind enough to make more concise points.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

EXACTLY when did he "advocate for infinite spending"
EXACTLY ?
typical fox troll - twisting truth into insanity

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

He's been using alternate threads to reply to me.

"Fox troll"? WTF is a fox troll lol.

Whether he is shilling or not, we are both on topic. You need to look up the web def of troll, homie.

[-] 1 points by flip (7174) 2 years ago

read this and tell me what you think - http://www.zcommunications.org/all-eyes-on-chicagos-teachers-by-shamus-cooke - this is not a test - did you get all of that

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

The breaking from top union officials and resorting to the tactics that gave birth to unions, such as protests, is something I think very highly of. I agree that unions have become a long running campaign mechanism for the left and I welcome an end to this practice.

Obama and his will sell the public/private partnership on the idea of fast tracking students into careers but the reality is that like welfare as an offset for low wages, it's yet another way for business to push the cost of business onto the tax dollar (society). From a philosophical point of view, the completion of this task will leave the US by definition, a fascist state. Well, that is if you like Mussolini's definition of fascism, and I do.

Yeah, I agree with the article, fully.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Just more anti dem partisan campaigning. Pres Obama is not a lock. Repubs are cheating by suppressing the vote in many states!

Replace as many pro 1% conservatives with pro 99% progressives. And protest, pressure and agitate all polls for change.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

He is a lock, and as an operative for the Democrats, if I were you I would be much more concerned with the Senate and House because if the elections were held today, the GOP would hold onto the House and probably grab a small majority or at least an even split in the Senate, thus making Obama a lame duck President right from the start.

Alternatively, your time would probably be better spent campaigning somewhere else entirely because I highly doubt anyone who reads your posts on here will vote Republican anyways.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Please. Why would take advice from a republican?

We must focus on all races.

Replace as many pro 1% conservatives with pro 99% progressives. Protest, pressure, & agitate all pols for the progressive change we need.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 2 years ago

He's not trying to stop people from voting Republican. His job is to discredit anyone who criticizes Obama or the Democratic party and to try to create the impression that OWS = Dems.

[-] 4 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

Unfortunately, most Americans probably think that anyways. Hopefully Occupy causes a real ruckus down at the DNC this week so that Americans will see that they are just as critical of the Democrats as they are of Republicans.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The media wont report it that way. We've mic checked and done all sorts of anti Obama stuff, they only play the people declaring that we need Obama four more years.

Thats their angle. Find the sound bites that relate to the most people.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

There was an article on Yahoo news the other day about Occupy blocking roads and such down in Charlotte so it is getting at least a little play time.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Time to hoard food and Ammo? Got your bomb shelter built?

Seems a little extremist, paranoid, and conspiratorial no?