Forum Post: I do not agree with everything Obama has done
Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 18, 2012, 8:16 a.m. EST by bensdad
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But the fact that he has the guts to pull back our Afgan efforts -
in the middle of a political race -
opening himself up to republiclan shrieks
of "weak" "surrender" loser"
THIS SHOWS GUTS
[ and yes - he should have done it sooner ]
77,000 troops still in Afghanistan. Hundred million dollar contracts going to Black Water style organizations. KBR still making a killing even after evidence of human trafficking.
Obama increased that war when he took office.... 2010 was the highest rate of civilians death for Afghanistan.
Obama is no hero when it comes to Afghanistan.
Your bullshit posts are annoying.
Who gives a fuck if republicans call him a pussy if he wanted to end a war. Anyone willing to continue war because of what some asshole thinks is also an asshole.
Just more of your usual anti Obama partisan political attacks.
So don't vote for him, don't vote at all! Vote for a 3rd party, Or Vote for the repubs who never get blame, and always get a pass from your sorry partisan ass!
Most of all, attack Pres Obama and never include your repubs who have created all these wars/problems and obstructed every effort to undo their mess.
Predictable, Typical, Pathetic
predictable, typical, pathetic.
I'll stop speaking out against these issues when they actually stop.
Speak out. I will stop speaking out against the repub created drone bombings and war on terror and civil rights violations when they stop also!
Speak out! Did I say you should stop speaking out on these issues? NO!!!
That's you lying! twisting my criticism of your partisanship into someone saying you shouldn't speak out!
Speak out. We need speaking out. If you want to end these problems like you pretend you will criticize fairly and honestly and not ignore the repub creation of the problems & obstruction of solutions.
Speak out! Feel free. If your gonna be Anti Obama partisan & I see it I will weigh in honestly to challenge your political campaigning.
Speak out! No one is telling you not to. You're lying when you suggest anyone is. Because your position can't stand up to the truth!
We've increased troops in Afghanistan
77,000 troops still there.
drug trafficking increased 10 times after invasion. and it becomes a threat to national security of Eurasia continent
This is blatant lie. Nothing has changed over there.
The fact that you are saying this showed GUTS (in caps due to your extreme mood of impressed) shows how fucked this country is. Nothing has even happened.
GUTS would be ending the fuckin war, and declaring you want all the troops out in a month.
GUTS would be going on TV and saying you dont give a fuck what Republicans think/want, you want Gitmo closed and Marriage Equality passed.
GUTS would have been doing something besides hiding when the NDAA came about.
No offense, Bensdad, but you clearly dont have a clue what real guts are. Which is what they are planning on.
Those pullout times were the same ones as the previous adm. They just. Ever advertised them so he isn't doing anything that was not already in the works
Well said Bensdad
the guts to pull back our afghan efforts... wow sorry tell that to the man whose whole family was slaughtered by an off duty soldier, or the father whose sons are killed by a 'drone strike' - a very sudden missile from nowhere. And every man from 16-40 years old I believe is considered an enemy combatant regardless of attire or weapons...
Yeah sorry, but Iraq has been scaled back but not ended, huge bases, private military contractors, plenty of work in the country, and the country is still in shambles. Afghanistan is no better, there has been some talk of scaling back, some small concessions, some training of Afghan troops who then don the uniform and kill US troops.
Obama is a war monger for not ending the wars, pure and simple. In his position, nothing would have stopped me from closing Guantanamo Bay, forming a real International Reconstruction effort to end our wars peacefully, and with soveirgnty being handed to a democratic nation. (real democracy, no puppets like normal or a two party winner take all like system we still have)
Obama has done everything the Republicans wanted to do (expanding wars, expanding privatized health care, no wall street oversight, no banking oversight, no fight for home owners) so the fact that they still demonize him just means its stupid politics. Who cares if what he does "opens him up" to republican bs. If you think that a paltry amount of "less war" (not even peace, like he was given a friggin nobel prize for) but merely "LESS WAR" is enough to worship Obama like its 2008 all over again, go right ahead.
I'll vote for jill stein, and I can't believe anyone in ows disagrees. (unless its for gary johnson, i'm sure there are more libertarian and anarchist ows members, and he's against both duopoly parties on all these big issues.. but gary johnson supports private prisons and those freak me out)
I didn't see any "worshipping Pres Obama". Thats you twisting this guys meaning.
Stopping the Iraq war does not mean no death ever again there. Drawing down in Afghan,& signing the agreement to withdraw does not mean no death will ever occur.
That is just unreasonable and naive.
These actions in fact reflect the fact that the Pres is struggling to undo the right wing war mongers and therefore indicate he is NOT a war monger.
Our drone bombings (which I am against, like the repub wars he was inherited) must be ended. WE must do that with protest and court cases.
Even though Pres Obamas military actions represent a reduction of US military killing from 1 million+ to thousands, WE must force change. To expect 1 politician do do all you suggest against the most massive force (1% plutocrat MIC) the world has ever seen is naive.
Your suggestion that "nothing would have stopped you" is laughable. You clearly do not understand the powers that be we face.
We must stop whining! Get off our fat, lazy, suburban, entitled asses, protest, and stop expecting politicians to do everything for us.
Pres Obama is not a god to be worshipped, his actions have been woefully inadequate. But he is clearly NOT a war monger. He has not done what the rightwing war mongers want. That is just a lie! The right wing war mongers are clearly mounting an intense effort against him because of Pres Obamas actions.
Our preferences can't happen if we don't protest for them against all pols!
We must recognize our inaction and the 1% plutocrats resistance (using repubs) are the reason we haven't achieved the change we need.
1 politician? That's just partisan attacks against Pres Obama. The solutions will require more intelligent analysis, and understanding.
Good luck in all your good efforts.
so our president is helpless
Didn't say that. That is you twisting my clear statement that we must protest for what we want. We cannot expect 1 politician/party to do everything for us.
The powers that be are too powerful. I believe Pres Obama has made more progress than I thought without any help from the progressives who now snipe & whine from the sidelines, and in the face of the most massive 1% plutocrat MIC resistance we've ever faced.
I was never so naive to believe that the Pres could do what he set out to during the last campaign. I know he cannot succeed without a robust progressive movement to use as leverage.
Helpless? No. But any Pres/party is stronger with the people behind him.
You disagree?
Obama hasn't challenged the Military Industrial Complex let alone beat them
Beat them"? Didn't say that either.
He has challenged MIC by resisting the massive right wing war mongering pressure to invade Iran, by cutting military budget, cutting merc use, not imposing right wing choices in arab spring countries.
Pres Obamas results have been woefully inadequate! He has accomplished more than I thought he would. He would have done more and will do more if he gets a large, strong, progressive, anti war movement pressuring him and all pols for the change we need.
You disagree?
we could use an anti-war movement
I don't expect the president to call a cease fire
Like I said if you say it will stop the violence I support it. I think our side doesn't think it will stop the violence so I agree with you we are not gonna call a cease fire.
I think also calling a cease fire might hurt his campaign for re election. Can't eliminate all nuclear weapons if he isn't reelected right?
did he mention trying to eliminate nuclear weapons ?
He has.
all I see is calls to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons
We gotta do that because the right wing wants us to invade Iran. The alternative is invasion. But if we agree to abandon all nuclear weapons we can seek to make them illegal everywhere.
We must get all nations to give up Nuclear weapons. And we are best able to if we give them up ourselves.
I believe that is Pres Obamas plan, and goal.
I don't believe the president has a plan
It is called Obamacare ain't it?
He sucks.
What nerve! Establishing health care as a right! What was he thinking.?
He gets free govt paid for healthcare.
He sucks!
congress passed the AHA (healthcare for money) not Obama
I guess he's just there for the prestige, healthcare, & to serve the 1%.
if by healthcare. one means unsurance companies
I get that.
not even an evil plan?
not really
No he is not helpless but he is useless
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I know quite a bit about that useless smuck and he is the worst the US ever has had
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Breitbart film bares roots of 'Occupy' movement "Good read here" http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/09/06/breitbart-film-seeks-to-bare-roots-of-occupy-movement/
Oh Breitbart, OK. There's a reliable source. I'll get right on it.
Yes, why dont you.
No! You are!
touche
He has not done anything the right-wing warmongers want? Really? What about that war in Libya?
Please. That was limited, euro run effort to depose a brutal dictator and secure the resources.
Nothing like the war mongers Iraq/Afghan preferred action. Seems to me we cannot stop the right wing in it's tracks. there is not a switch. The massive power they wield against progressive efforts prvents 1 politician/party from doing everything we need.
The only power that can truly force change is the power of the people, And we've been asleep. Right.
So what Pres Obama did in Libya appears to be what the right wing wanted but his best efforts against them was only to limit our involvement.
If we want more change. It is up to US! We can't expect 1 politicain to do everything. That is clearly unreasonable and naive.
We gotta get off our lazy, fat, entitled, suburban asses, & protest for the change we want.
Otherwise if we are just attacking 1 politician it is simply partisan attacks.
That wasn't a partisan attack, I was just curious how it makes sense to refer to 'less war' as one of Obama's strong points when he did start a new war. I'm even more curious why there are so many Obama campaign workers on this site when Obama is part of the 1% establishment.
I can't speak to your suggestion there are "so many Obama supporters" here. I see mostly anti Obama partisan attackers here. I suppose I search them out, so....
I believe the right wing (through Euro) started the Libyan military action (hardly a war) when enough people began resisting the brutal dictator Khadafi during the Arab spring.
Pres Obama appeared to have provided minimal support and facilitated a quick end. Nothing like the right wing wanted. Now the right wing would like to pick the govt their and they appear unhappy about the path that Libya is taking.
But to say Pres Obama "started" the Libyan war is a bit extreme. Not really accurate. Is that partisan?.
Pres Obama was not the only participant in this military action. Others were far more guilty, And our involvement was limited.
I prefer our military to be used only for our defense and the defense of innocent civilians. Was that part of this Military action.?
You dispute that Occupy has become about Obama -- then you slam on the right and talk about how awesome Obama is. Sure, that makes sense...
Awesome Obama is"? I don't think I said that. Pres Obamas results have been woefully inadequate. militarily he must stop the drone bombings and end the war on terror. As well as repeal the repub created civil rights violations.
I slam on the right because I believe all our problems have their roots in conservative policies. You don't see that?
I believe there are still many "both parties suck" occupiers but most that I meet are dem leaning progressives. I never meet republican occupiers, I only see vicious attacks on OWS from repubs.
the military and industrial complex and the financial elite are not exclusively republican
maybe not. but mainly. I have watched for years as Blue state MIC industry has moved to red states.
And I believe most money goes to repubsso that's enough for me. I mean the only one that ever cuts the military budget are dems, Doesn't that mean anything.
California gets tons of money for the Military Industry from the US government
Yes you are correct. Excellent evidence to the contrary of my ascertion.
I have nothing to counter that anomaly. Except to say that Cali is the most populous and therefore most powerful state in the union. they have huge area of western shore so our western military presence is gonna go there. Probably most cali MIC industry in red districts?
It is an anomaly though. Otherwise in fact the industry has definitely shifted from deep blue North East to Deep red south.
I'm one of the Republicans who could have been an OWS supporter but people like you drove me away with your rampant partisan sniping.
Example: http://occupywallst.org/forum/common-ground-one-way-forward-there-should-be-no-c/
Please don't go.
Come on board. Recant the anti 99% agenda of your repub party. Switch to indep And you will be happier.
You must forgo the conservative agenda that has brought us weak fin regs, low taxes on the 1% and the endless war on terror. If so you can call yourself whatever you want.
Embrace the 99%'s progressive agenda and you will be welcomed I'm sure.
If you require that 50% of the 99% change their political affiliation to participate then you can't claim to represent the 99%, can you?
I don't represent anyone. "We are (part of) the 99%"
I don't require anyone change their affiliation. as I said you can call yourself whatever you want. If you support the policies/change that will benefit the 99% then you ain't gonna support the conservative agenda.
That's how I see it.
Vote your conscience. Or don't vote. Vote 3rd party, or Vote no consent. Whatever floats your boat dude.
How is Miami Beach gonna vote? Is that where you are from.?
I have no idea and I don't really care. Both candidates are equivalent. I come here to talk about poilitical corruption and wealth inequality, not the Presidential campaign.
If you're only interested in the portion of the 99% who agrees with you, then using that term is pointless. "We are the 100%!! (...err, except that we're only 45% of the population)"
You voted for Pres Obama? I disagree!
Corporations are not people has nothing to do with Romney. And only is partisan because republicans support that corps are people.
Tea party pushes the corp agenda because they are simply a fake grass roots org bought & paid for by the Kochs & other 1% corps.
So I guess that is why you don't support the move to amend.
Listen. We MUST get money out of politics. It is destroying the democracy. The govt must serve the people, not the corps.
The only way to do this is to everturn several Supreme court decisiona going back to the 1880's.
A constitution amendment is the best (if not time consuming) way to do it.
You're serious about corruption from money? What do you suggest.?
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You have not mentioned corruption or wealth inequity. You've only complained that the site has become pro Obama, and the tea party has been successful, while OWS has failed to translate there power into political influence.
So what are you talkin about now.?
Are you trying to distract from the issues you brought up already?
You don't know how Miami is gonna vote? Huh? Are you from Miami.? Don't they vote dem? How could you not know.? You've only been talkin about politics but you don't know how your city votes.?
And you don't care?
Is Occupy about who I'm going to vote for? No. Does how Miami votes have anything to do with how I vote? No.
Take a look at how my attempt to have a non-partisan conversation about unity on the topic of government corruption turned into an anti-Republican hate fest.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/common-ground-one-way-forward-there-should-be-no-c/
I think you discussed exactly what you wanted to.
Perhaps now you want to retreat to the safer money in politics, or wealth inequity, but you were definitely well versed in your anti Obama rhetoric.
'sok. Talkabout what you like. You wanna tell me how great the selfish, greedy, heartless, kochfunded tea party amateurs are doing?
Ha!
What about money in politics. Have you signed the "move to amend" petition? Or how about the OWS petition? I'll attach it in a minute.
here you go:
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com
I voted for Obama, FYI. Occupy is not a place for talking about re-electing Obama. What was the point of any of this if that's what it becomes?
PS: "Corporations are not people" is campaign language. An abject failure to collaborate with the other half of the 99% to advance our common interests. You can't revoke Supreme Court rulings with a petition, and you're not going to get widespread support for a petition when the name of the petition is a political jab against the Republican presidential candidate. OWS apparently needs some lessons in consensus building.
You're 1st comment was Pres Obama had done what the right wing war mongers had wanted.
That is not about corrupting effects of money in politics, it is not about wealth inequity, & it IS partisan.
So what do you mean you were trying to have a non partisan conversation about unity on the topic of govt corruption.?
What are you kidding.?
Listen. Republican/conservative policies are at the root of ALL our problems. That is my proud partisan opinion.
You wanna celebrate the Tea parties "success"? You're talkin to the wrong guy. So.....
Peace. &
Good luck in all your good efforts.
Touché, my first comment in this thread was to question a contrived and inaccurate defense of Obama. My bigger question is: why are we talking about Obama in the first place? I should have indeed stuck to that.
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get out
Because I don't support Obama? Or because I've got constructive criticism for OWS?
what should be done?
Occupiers need to find the strength to work with people who they don't necessarily agree with to grapple with the real problems, or else Occupy will just end up being one big campaign rally for the Democratic Party and what's the point of that? There were already groups for that before Occupy. Focusing on the left/right dichotomy distracts from the real issues.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/common-ground-one-way-forward-there-should-be-no-c/
I talk to them all the time.
Besides, that really wasn't specific.
You can't have a conversation with somebody who you know is a Republican. You're simply not capable. I know because I've tried. Keep waving the "Republicans are the enemy" flag since it's all that you can do. If anybody in Occupy succeeds at accomplishing anything other than re-electing Obama then it won't be you.
Specifically, what people are you talking about?
I'm specifically talking about the other half of the 99%, who you in particular can't find the discipline to have a conversation with, much less address the country's problems.
You can vote for jill stein or elmer fudd or willard - the results will be the same
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