Forum Post: How To Make America Socialist And Get 100% To Go Along Including Republicans and Libertarians
Posted 2 years ago on April 21, 2012, 1:54 p.m. EST by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom
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HOW TO CHANGE SOCIETY AND GET 100% TO AGREE ON THE CHANGE
We can all 100% agree that we can never get everyone to 100% agree on how society should be organized.
You will never convince everyone to be Republican or Democrat or Libertarian or Socialist or Green.
And the whole concept of compromise is just as futile. The Right wants the opposite of what the Left wants. There is no room for compromise.
So what we wind up with are solutions that nobody is happy with. Republicans want a red society. Democrats want a blue society. But the only thing we ever get is a purple society. And nobody wants a purple society.
The whole system is ridiculous. We are all forced to live in a system that nobody wants. It doesn't satisfy anyone.
We actually live in a system where nobody wins!
So instead of trying to get everyone to agree on one monolith system that everyone has to live with, a much better solution is to just have multiple systems and give everyone the ability to choose which they want to participate in.
The Left can choose to participate in the socialist system, the Right can choose to participate in the capitalist system, and the moderates can choose the mixed system. Now, everyone wins.
Choosing the economic system you want to participate in should be as easy as choosing a cell phone plan. Just like you can have multiple, competing cell phone plans in a single geographic area, you should have multiple, competing economic plans in a single geographic area for people to choose from.
Choosing a different economic system shouldn't require you to move to another country or state. And choosing an economic system shouldn't mean you now have to force all your neighbors to participate in the same economic system you chose.
If we want a truly free country, everyone should have the freedom to choose the economic system they want to participate in. Nobody should be coerced into participating in an economic system they don't want; and, most importantly, nobody should be coerced into participating in an economic system that doesn't work for them.
We can have a country where you can choose to participate in a capitalist system and your neighbor can actually choose to participate in a socialist system. There is nothing preventing us from having multiple economic systems within the same geographic location.
And getting the country to adopt this should be easy. We will tell the Right, they can FINALLY have the EXACT economic system they want, but in exchange, you have to allow the Libertarians to have their anarcho-capitalist system, the Democrats to have their welfare capitalist system and the Socialists to have their system.
WHAT ECONOMIC SYSTEMS SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO CHOOSE FROM?
There are essentially 4 primary ways you can organize an economic system depending on whether it is centrally planned or not and whether the means of production are privately or publicly owned: 1) Centrally planned socialist, 2) Market socialist, 3) Capitalist, 4) Mix of capitalism and socialism. If people want to participate in one of those economic systems and there is enough of them to support an entire economy, they should get their own economic system.
I know we have enough people in this country who would choose to live in at least 3 of those systems. So Americans should be given the choice between 3 different economic systems.
We could have a capitalist system which satisfies the desires of the conservatives, tea party, and libertarians of the Republican Right. This system would have minimal regulation, minimal or no taxes and full privatization. Roughly 40% of the population currently views this system positively. All of them are currently forced to live within a system they don't want.
We would also have a market socialist system which satisfies the desires of the Left and progressive wing of the Democrat party. In this system all businesses are democratically owned and controlled. There would be no privatization. Total income would be paid out to workers based on how hard you worked - to each according to their labor - so there would be minimal income inequality. Roughly 30% of the population currently views this system positively. All of them are currently forced to live within a system they don't want.
And we would also have a mixed economy with some capitalism and some socialism for all the rest of the people. This would satisfy the Left wing of the Republicans and the Right wing of the Democrats.
I do not think there is sufficient support for a centrally planned socialist economic system. But I could be wrong.
Of course there are many different variations even within those four categories. So there will still be democratic debate within each system in determining precisely how the system will work. But the differences between two conservative capitalists or two socialists are insignificant compared to the differences between a capitalist and a socialist.
HOW IT WOULD WORK
The way it would work is you would just simply choose the system you want to participate in. Most cities would have a mix of all systems. So if you chose the socialist system, you might live next door to a neighbor who has chosen the capitalist system. And the companies in the city would be a mix of socialist and capitalist businesses.
If you were socialist, you would shop, dine and work at the socialist companies. And if you were capitalist, you would shop, dine and work at the capitalist companies. But just like an American can buy stuff from China, each economic system will trade with each other. So some of the things socialists buy will be from capitalist companies and vice versa. It would be treated just like imports/exports are treated today.
Initially, all cities would be a mix of all systems. But this does have some drawbacks since each system would then have to share common economic infrastructure like roads, water and police. So some future cities would likely be developed that were 100% socialist or 100% capitalist in order to better work with their economic system.
In order for an economic system to be viable it must be large enough to produce nearly everything on its own. Each system must be able to produce its own food, energy, raw materials, capital goods, consumer goods, transportation, medicine, education, electronics, housing, entertainment, communication, etc.
The US is so large that it can easily be broken up into 3 separate, viable economic systems. The US GDP is $15 trillion. If each system was an equal size, they would be $5 trillion per year each which is still larger than every country except China. They would still be larger than Japan, Germany, Russia, UK, Australia, Canada, etc.
Even if one of the economic systems was small, say only 10% of the country, that would still amount to $1.5 trillion which is still larger than countries like South Korea, Spain, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, Hong Kong, and Norway.
HOW TO BUILD THIS NEW SYSTEM
Since nearly every company in the US is currently privately owned, in order to make this idea work, we would need to build the socialist alternative. The socialist system would need to buy thousands of privately owned companies and launch thousands of new companies so that they have their own self-supporting economic system.
That would obviously require a substantial economic investment. But we have the money to make that investment. And since building the socialist system would finally enable conservative capitalists to live in their unregulated, fully privatized, zero-tax economic system, I believe they will be willing to back the plan that enables us to build the socialist system.
Let's say 1/3rd of the country wanted to join the socialist system. That would be a $5 trillion economy. In order to buy or launch enough companies to produce $5 trillion per year, you need to invest roughly $10 trillion. If you launched the new economic system over the course of 5 years, you would need to invest $2 trillion per year.
$2 trillion is a lot of money, but it would not be that big of deal to generate that kind of money through Fed loans and taxes. If half came from taxes, we could generate $2 trillion with just a 6.5% tax.
WHY MOST WOULD BACK THIS PLAN
I think everyone would be willing to pay an additional 6.5% in taxes over the next 5 years in order to get the opportunity to finally live in the economic system they want. And this would only be a one-time investment to get the new system off the ground.
Certainly all the people on the Left who want to join the socialist system would be willing to pay the extra taxes for the next 5 years in order to build their system.
But I also think even those on the Right, including the most radical libertarians, would be willing to pay an extra 6.5% in taxes over the next 5 years to build a socialist system because in return they would be able to live in their capitalist nirvana forever without ever having to pay for another tax or socialist idea again.
Currently, the Right are NOT able to live in a Right system. Our current system is 30% socialist, has high taxes and vast regulations. This plan gives them the opportunity to finally live in a Right system with no or minimal taxes, no or minimal regulations and no socialism.
Our country will never, ever become the kind of country the Right wants to live in because we have a substantial Left population and they will never become a member of the Right.
So the Right currently has a zero percent chance of building a Right society. This plan offers them the chance to finally get to live in a Right society because it no longer depends on them converting the Left to the Right's ideology (an impossible task).
In order for them to get their Right society, they don't have to run political campaigns or get anyone elected or fund more think tanks or fund more propaganda media campaigns, all they have to do is agree to pay an extra 6.5% tax over the next 5 years to help build this new system.
The same goes for the Left.
So it is a win, win for everyone. Everyone would finally be free to live how they want.
What do you think?