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Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 8, 2013, 5:04 a.m. EST by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR
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How the Conservative Movement Cons Its Naive Followers Out of Their Cash

The most prominent conservative organizations in the nation are primarily dedicated to separating conservatives from their money.

[NO! Cons wouldn't do that to their own mindless cult followers!]

January 7, 2013 | By Alex Pareene

The conservative media movement exists primarily as a moneymaking venture [RepubliCon campaign funds]. As Rick Perlstein explained in the Baffler, some of the largest conservative media organs are essentially massive email lists of suckers rented to snake oil salesmen. The con isn’t limited to a couple of newsletters and websites: The most prominent conservative organizations in the nation are primarily dedicated to separating conservatives from their money.

FreedomWorks, which is funded primarily by very rich people, solicits donations from non-rich conservative people. More than 80,000 people donated money to FreedomWorks in 2012, and it seems likely that only a small minority of those people were hedge fund millionaires. And what are people who donate to this grass-roots conservative organization funded mostly by a few very rich people getting for their hard-earned money? In addition to paying Dick Armey $400,000 a year for 20 years to stay away, FreedomWorks also apparently spent more than a million dollars paying Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh to say nice things about FreedomWorks, in order to convince listeners to send FreedomWorks money that FreedomWorks would then give to Limbaugh and Beck. It’s a pretty simple con. Beck, meanwhile, also has a subscriber-based media operation, in which people pay his company money for access to programs where Beck expresses opinions that he was paid to hold. He also spent years telling everyone to buy gold from a company that pays him and defrauds consumers.

As Armey admitted to Media Matters, FreedomWorks at this point essentially raises money for the sake of raising money. It exists to bilk “activists.” Armey at least has the courtesy to be embarrassed by this:

“If Limbaugh and Beck, if we were using those resources to recruit activists and inform activists and to encourage and enthuse activists, that’s one thing,” Armey explained. “If we are using these things to raise money; one, it’s a damned expensive way to raise money; and two, it makes raising money an end on to itself not an instrumental activity to support the foundation work that our organization does.”

Armey also said the relationship with Beck expanded to include rallies that were co-sponsored by Beck and FreedomWorks, and included appearances by FreedomWorks President and CEO Matt Kibbe.

Armey said he objected to these events, dubbed FreePACs, because they often charged admission to FreedomWorks activists.

A review of promotional information for the events found $20 was a standard donation requested at some of the locations, while a Dallas, TX., FreePAC last summer charged prices as high as $971.

But Armey is basically alone. No major right-wing media figures ever speak out against the widespread practice of constantly bilking credulous old people. Newsmax, a company whose email list is regularly given over to blatant get-rich-quick scheme hucksters, publishes basically every major and minor conservative columnist (and Lanny Davis). Newsmax pays to syndicate their columns, and their stature lends the site credibility. None of them ever complain. No one on the right criticizes the Newsmax business model. It seems to be semi-common knowledge that major conservative media figures sell their endorsements. No one says it’s deceptive. No one says Dick Morris should stop marketing his various ventures on Fox, all the time.

This complete contempt for the audience is unique to the right-wing press — if the Huffington Post made its money selling snake oil, liberals would complain. The recent trickle of complaints about the major nonprofit money-making groups, like FreedomWorks and CrossroadsUSA, has come solely because those groups failed to win the election. If Romney, or even a couple of Senate candidates, had won, no one would mind that the two groups enriched their boards of directors on the backs of tens of thousands of small donors. Right-wing reaction to Armey’s admission to Media Matters has thus far been outrage … that Armey talked to Media Matters.

The problem this presents for the movement, beyond the threat of eventually bankrupting the people who give it power, is that the business of money-making, for consultants and media personalities and Herman Cains, is at this point getting in the way of the business of advancing conservative causes. The groups exert massive influence, and they only ever push the Republican Party to get more extreme. Apocalyptic hysteria is much more effective at getting people to open their wallets than reasonable commentary. There are a lot of people whose livelihoods depend on keeping lots of conservatives terrified and ill-informed. The groups that exist to raise funds raise more funds when they endorse the crazier candidate.

So even if you don’t particularly care that regular conservative Americans are constantly being scammed by their media apparatus, you should still worry about the influence of the scammers. The fact that there is a lot of money to be made in acting like Michele Bachmann is part of why the House seems poised to blow up the U.S. economy. The fact that conservatives have that much contempt for their own true believers neatly explains how they govern when they actually have power.

Alex Pareene writes about politics for Salon. Email him at apareene@salon.com and follow him on Twitter @pareene

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[-] 1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

A Modest Proposal … Take Two

Friday, 04 January 2013 | Bob Alexander | http://tvnewslies.org

Note: The first time I heard about "A Short History of Conservative Obstruction to Progress" was on Mike Malloy's radio program in 2008. I was so impressed with it I put it up in the "rants" section on Superbeans (http://superbeans.com/rant_02_01_08.htm) as a readily accessible reminder that The Elite, and the Crazy Stupid People that follow them, have unrelentingly opposed everything and anything that would benefit We The People.

The key word here is unrelentingly. Conservatives are like the movie monsters from the Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Friday the 13th movies. You can’t stop them. You can stab them in the neck, set them on fire, or whack them in the head with a machete, but after a few seconds of getting their movie-monster-mojo together … they rise up again and again and again … and their murderous rampage continues until the closing credits. Unlike their victims, the movie monsters don’t need to stop to sleep, eat, or even catch their breath. But when their hapless quarry takes a breather … Watch Out … that’s when The Monsters Get You. [Zombies]

The Elite and their Crazed Conservative Shills in Congress are even more powerful than their silver screen counterparts. They can lose elections and still have the power to destroy. How could these people deny relief to hurricane Sandy victims? Because they’re monsters. Why are they still trying to destroy our social safety nets? George Carlin explained it all perfectly:

“They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else. … And now they’re coming for your social security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it.”

They’ll get it because they’ve spent decades and untold billions to create and condition enough dumb-asses that don’t know what the hell is going on but believe, and deeply care about, gibberish.

Here are some Ugly American Facts. 61% of Americans don’t believe in evolution. 47% believe the universe is less than 10,000 years old. One child in four grows up not knowing how to read, 21 million Americans can't read at all, and the average American doesn’t read one book in a year. This means if you go outside … you’ve got more than a fifty-fifty chance of meeting a crazy stupid person. Hell … there’s a huge chance you’re related to crazy stupid people. I know I am.

My little circle of acquaintances and family members is positively teeming with crazy stupid people. Maybe you’re in the same boat. So how are we supposed to deal with people who fervently support war crimes, deny science, disregard facts, fear anyone with a skin color darker than their own, are completely unhinged by the concept of same-sex marriage, and believe it is more important to regulate vaginas instead of guns?

I’ve spent years struggling with that question and I’ve spent years doing what all good little liberals do … countering nonsense with facts. You know how that’s worked out? So far I have a 100% failure rate. Not one crazy stupid person budged one millimeter from their position. The Iraq War was A Good Thing. There is no such thing as Global Climate Change. There is no such thing as Peak Oil. Brown People are Scary. Gay people are Scary. Women are Scary. Gun violence is caused by everything but guns.

So I quit talking to these people because I finally realized a very simple fact. You cannot use a rational argument with anyone who is irrational. So put down The Big Book of Facts and walk away. Just walk away.

I read an article by Alan Greenblatt on the NPR website the other day: When It Comes To Politics, States Are Barely United.

The “Red” states are getting redder and the “Blue” states are getting bluer. I don’t think that would be a surprise to anyone who has sat across the Thanksgiving table while the fat-assed brother-in-law holds forth on the dangers of gay marriage. There’s nothing you can say to him that’ll change his mind. If you counter any of his dumb-ass arguments he’ll simply double down on his dumb-assery and keep talking until he runs out of steam. You can’t have a “two-way street” discussion with this guy. It’s not allowed. So now we get to the Modest Proposal part.

It’s not enough to passively avoid these dumb-asses. I’m not talking about “drawing a line in the sand.” It’s already there. They drew the damn thing in the first place. It’s time to actively shun these people. If this yahoo believes in denying anyone their rights you tell him he’s a goddamned fool. If it’s your house … tell him to get the hell out. If it’s his house … gather up your coats and hats and family and get the hell out. We’ve got to stop tolerating these dumb-asses. Piers Morgan dispensed with Gun Nut Larry Pratt by simply telling him, “You're An Unbelievably Stupid Man, Aren't You?”

We need more of this type of response to dumb-assery. We have got to put these dumb-asses on notice that we’re not going to tolerate their insanity any longer. We’re done with these yahoos. Crazy Stupid People should not be invited to the conversation because of a misguided desire to appear to be fair and balanced. The most ridiculous position I can imagine is to ask the people who caused the problem to help with the solution.

We’ve got to shun the dumb-asses because they have no interest in solving the problem. Their agenda is to make it worse.

Now I realize that my Modest Proposal is in no way helping to bridge the political divide that exists in the United States. Some might say it exacerbates the problem.

Really?

The fat-assed bother-in-law vehemently against same sex marriage is the problem. Ignoring him is the problem. Tolerating his ignorance and inhumanity is the problem. Telling him to shut up might be the beginning of the solution.

See here’s the deal … This isn’t about politics anymore … it’s about survival. We can’t have a bunch of bible-thumping morons influence the decisions about what to do about Global Climate Change. We can’t have these dupes of the corporatocracy interfere anymore. We’ve got to tell them to shut the hell up and go sit in the corner until the adults figure out what to do.

So shun ‘em and see what happens. Will the Blue States get Blue-ier and the Red States get crazier?

Yeah.

But that’s already happening.

Will it get better if we negotiate with Crazy Stupid People?

No. We’ll just lose more ground as the oceans rise.

Is there a solution to The Political Divide?

Probably not … but at least we’ll have the satisfaction of giving the crazy bastards the finger before we all sail off the cliff.

[-] 1 points by SingleVoice (158) 1 year ago

I think there's scammers everywhere. The labor unions scam their members so they can contribute massive amounts of money to campaigns and pay campaign "volunteers" with member's dues. The politicians on both sides scam money to keep their power. Moveon.org and other liberal front groups scam money just like Freedom Works for the same reason to promote their agenda. But worst of all, the government scams all of us out of our money to give to Hollywood, NASCAR, turtle bridges in FL and all the rest of the crap they spend our money on. Difference is that we can choose to be scammed from organizations but we are forced to be scammed from the government.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Do you really think Organized Labor (who protect and represent hard workers) is any comparison to the wealth, bribery, greed and corruption of corporations??

Do you remember how much we taxpayers had to pay to bail out Wall Street? How much we taxpayers had to pay for two fraudulent Bush wars??

Yes, the evangelists make millions off of willing DUPES!

[-] 1 points by SingleVoice (158) 1 year ago

Labor unions are mostly political groups now. Their members dues are used more for politics than the good of their members. They were paying "volunteers" $50 for 2-3 hours knocking on doors. I don't have a problem with volunteers doing those things but I have a problem with the unions paying out my member dues to people to do that. I have a problem with my member dues going to politicians that I don't support.

But I wasn't comparing unions to corporations. They are ALL guilty of scamming people for their own political goals. Yes, many groups make millions off of willing DUPES!

On the subject of bailing out Wall Street, I thought the point of this site and OWS was to put pressure on and come up with solutions to fix that. But I see no movement on that front. The corporations were given free reign by the congress of 1998-99 that repealed Glass-Steagle and until we put pressure on congress to reinstate it and break up the big banks, we will continue to bail out banks that are "too big to fail". Yet we continue to put the same people back in congress every election expecting a different result.

As far as the wars, congress voted to go to war in both cases based on intelligence they saw so again it was congress. Only Obama goes to war without consent of congress. Why do we keep putting the same people back in congress?

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

False equivalency is number three on REPUBLICON MO 101!

Don't you ever question the dictates of your leaders?

[-] 0 points by SingleVoice (158) 1 year ago

I question everyone. It appears that you don't question anything and you subscribe to the fodder that's fed to the masses.

There's no false equivalency. Unions operate as corporations and do little for their members. It's about the power and the money they collect for their own selfish reasons and greed. They're an arm of the democrat party as are the media. And in spite of what you want to believe, most of the largest corporations are also feeding the democrat party...GE, Google, CitiBank, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and the list goes on.

The republicans are no better but the lie that all corporations are arms of the repub party is false. In truth corporations support whoever is in power at any given time and who can do the most for them. Obama's "Goldman Sachs" staff has done nothing for us but benefit Wall Street. And before that, the George Bush "Goldman Sachs" staff did the same. Both parties led us to destruction. However, it was the congress under Clinton in '98 that got rid of the only law that stood in the way of banks becoming gambling houses. Both parties are to blame and until we get away from this notion that one party is better than the other, nothing will get fixed. Get rid of both parties. Get rid of all the reps that have been in congress. Let's get new blood in there that will do what we ask of them.

Your initial post is about naive followers in the conservative movement. I'm just pointing out that there are naive followers in every group.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

So, let me guess, you're just here killing time until the rapture, right?

[-] -1 points by SingleVoice (158) 1 year ago

It doesn't appear that you're on this site to fix anything or come up with any solutions. You come across as an intolerant person that has no room for views other than those that make you fit in with your peers. When you run out of answers to questions, you resort to insults. That's what children do. Why don't you try some logical thought of your own. Listen and research both sides of an argument, then come up with your own view based on facts rather than fiction. You can use the computer or smart phone that the corporations conned you naively out of your cash to purchase.

Why don't you put your petty insults away and actually put pressure on your representatives in Congress to reinstate Glass-Steagle or risk losing their seat/power in the next election. I would think we could agree on that and it would give you something constructive to do with your time. Also, I thought that was what Occupy Wall Street's purpose was: to take the power away from Wall Street and big banks and give it back to the people. Instead of insulting people, maybe you could try working with people with differing views to accomplish the same goal...destroy the cronyism that is Wall Street and Government by getting rid of the people on both sides that have been in power for decades in congress and are responsible for giving so much power to Wall Street.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

So what is it about the post that makes you want to attack the messenger, that righties have been so cruelly duped? Recrimination is the boring and typical MO of RepubliCons, so is false equivalency. You righties have been duped by agents of 1% plutocracy who operate in silent and direct opposition to anything most of you dupes need or want. But as long as they whisper those sweet buzzwords in your desperate ears, you overlook what is apparent to "nonbelievers," that your beliefs are the very source of all your woes.

Like the Nazis, your preachers lay the blame on the "others, them, those different than you," and you mistakenly believe it and find your self unrequited, confused and left with nothing but your desperate beliefs to cling to. Sad! Pathetec! But don't lay your state of betrayal on me. You're the one who let yourself be duped, just you!

Unions (Collective organizations to represent workers) aren't anything the same or operate like corporations (Legal creations to make profit), you demonstrate fear and ignorance in your screed. But petitioning or lobbying your representatives is what I'm all about. And now that the election is over, let's do some recruiting of some hard core lefty progs and libs to replace these Cons that never seem to go away.

Cons and Dems are worlds apart and, while Cons are hopeless, there's lot's of room for improvement for Dems. But if you buy the smear that Clinton set out to revoke Glass-Steagle, then you believe that Nixon was an environmentalist. Compromise, exceptions, considerations, kickbacks, these are the tricks of the trade, how deals get made, the complicated nuanced and contradictory nature of democracy ~ especially when you have to work with Cons.

That's all you get, now go do some research with your "computer or smart phone that the corporations conned you naively out of your cash to purchase." JF-ingC!!!

[-] 0 points by SingleVoice (158) 1 year ago

Well I guess comprehension of what you read is not your strong suit but obviously jumping to conclusions is. I never said that Clinton set out to revoke Glass-Steagle. What I said was that the congress under Clinton revoked it (Bipartisan revocation-both parties to blame). However, to be fair, Clinton did sign it after it was passed. I was blaming congress and specifically both parties equally. Unlike you, I'm not biased for any party. I'm angry at both parties. You assume I'm a righty because I disagree with you. You judge and stereotype people into 1 category if they don't spout the democrat garbage and talking points that you do. That doesn't make me a righty, it makes me an independent thinker. I'm working to get both dems and repubs out of office that have been there since 1995 and promote anyone from any party that will promise to reinstate Glass-Steagle. What are you doing to affect the cause?

You said I attacked the messenger of the post. If you had read my words and comprehended them instead of inferring what I didn't say, you would have noticed that I was making the point that republicans aren't the only ones DUPED naively out of their cash. Many people are duped out of their cash regardless of party or ideology. Dem groups are as big a fraud as repub groups and neither groups want to change the status quo. They just say they do to get your cash and votes. My reference to the computer or smart phone is because the hate for corporations is hypocrisy if you support them by buying their products.

Everyone that supports any of the congressional members on both sides that have been in power during and since Glass-Steagle's repeal, are being duped by politicians that tell you what you want to hear and you buy it and support them. One of the points I was making was that super pacs aren't the only ones duping people.

I know you want to defend the unions and you get angry at greed from corporations as we all do yet you refuse to acknowledge the greed from union leaders. The unions spent 500 million dollars in the last election. The money paid was from member's dues. They paid out 1 million just in Ohio on the $50 per person "volunteers" to knock on doors. I thought volunteers were just that, volunteers (doing it for free). 1 million dollars of union dues to "volunteers"? Why don't they give that $50 back to the union members and let us do what we want with it instead forcing us to pay it and then giving it in support of a candidate that we don't want elected or re-elected. Shouldn't union dues be used for union members and union business to take care of members needs rather than padding the pockets of union officials and crony candidates just like corporations pad the pockets of their executives and crony candidates.

The difference is that I'm not forced to pay corporations. I can choose to buy their product or not. I AM forced to pay union dues to keep my job and then those dues are used to support more cronyism in Washington on all gov't levels to keep the status quo. It's no different than a super pac but I'm FORCED to pay into it, not duped to pay into it. Unions have most people like you fooled into thinking they are for their member's common good. There was a time when that was true but the leaders are corrupt. It's about power and money. They're a slush fund for the democrat party to keep the status quo. They talk a good line but keep the crooks in power. They are part of the problem. Wake up.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You are full of corporate SHIT!!

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Yes, I do think that. Both sides are full of crooks. Stop being their tool. OWS is not about being a mindless mouthpiece.

http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Well you're dead wrong then, there's NO COMPARISON!!!

OWS is about throwing off the tyranny of the 1%, so is organized labor. Democracy!!

In any group there is a bad apple. No reason to leap to false equivalencies!!

No progressive are you!

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Quit selling out to the Democratic party or you'll end up like NY. Repubs know they will never win it, so they ignore it. Dems know they will never lose it, so they take it for granted and ignore it. Same thing with the black vote. Look at how both parties are courting the Hispanic vote for a better example.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I'm "selling out to the" American People, Labor, and the country, so for the most part are Dems. Cons worship the 1% who own them, and they hate the People, Labor, democracy and couldn't care less about the country beyond exploitation.

"end up like NY."??

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

The state of NY. We pay tons of taxes but the politicians usually at best ignore us, or at worst screw us. Like how Homeland Security gives rural states like Wyoming get almost twice as much per capita as NY. Or how Congress felt they could blow off Sandy relief funds. Because we are voting Democrat no matter what we are written off by both parties. We all need to avoid being in that position.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago
[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The problems you mentioned (homeland sec Money, Sandy refief) were both republican efforts against NY.

Surely you know the republicans hate NY, and all cities, we ain't the "real America"

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Democarts biggest failure is in caving in to support conservative policies.

Vote 'em out!!

replace all pro 1% conservatives (both parties) w/ pro 99% progressives.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

So I'm guessing the Dems have you down as a 'Yes"? Written in permanent ink? One less voter to worry about?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You would be wrong. I vote to replace pro 1% conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives whenever possible.

This past election I voted 3rd party down the ballot. How about you. Do you vote republican down the line?

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

If you did you would be endorsing them here, not slobbering all over the Dem party.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I avoid endorsing any specific candidates. I was told we should avoid campaigning, that it was against the rules I know you spend all your time campaigning against dems and for specific anti dem candidates but my focus is defending the 99% against the 1% corp oligarchs conservative policies.

During the election I certainly focused on racist/sexist republicans, and their efforts to suppress dem votes, but mainly I maintain we all must replace pro 1% conservatives (of both parties) w/ pro 99% progressives.

The midterm elections are about 21 months away so now I am focused on pushing progressive change that will benefit the 99%.

No campaigning allowed dude. Why do you break the rules so much.? You're gonna get in trouble with the mods again. Isn't that why you were banned so often?

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

And the slobbering continues

Any mascot bibs around? Anyone have a bib for this thing?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. Fight anti 99% conservative policies!

Replace pro 1% conservatives (of both parties) w/ pro 99% progressives.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Better clean house then.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I have some hope only in the 80 or so pols in the congressional progressive caucus (& anyone who might support their efforts).

Otherwise I agree clean house if we must. implement campaign election reform to allow fair access by 3rd parties.

And of course:

Replace pro 1% conservatives (of both parties) w/ pro 99% progressives.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You've been wearing your ALEC bib for some time now.

Here's another example of their ......."gossip".

Or did you state that ALEC was a "wedge issue"?

Can't recall exactly, but you do tend to minimize their actions.

Not surprising in a State that's already owned by them.

Yeah!! Now that's States "right" baby.

http://www.uppitywis.org/blogarticle/citizens-wisconsin-must-stand-bad-river-tribe-0

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Charging to the defense of the mascot. Let me guess, u r all pro Republican Hagel now too?

Dont want to be insulted? Dont jump on threads then with nothing but lies.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Drooling all over your ALEC bib.

They own Florida and you ignore them and call their actions "gossip" or "wedge issues".

Now go ahead and post some bullshit about how they already own everything already and it's all Obama's fault.

Then wipe the drool off of your ALEC bib.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Its not all Obamas fault, this has been in the works for decades at the hands of both parties.

Are you new to OWS? haha.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Your drooling on your ALEC bib again.

http://www.uppitywis.org/blogarticle/what-alecs-number-one-state-do-business-looks

Tyranny..........One State at a time.

They already own Florida, and you love it.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

They own the entire country dude. Its just a matter of how long will it take to implement all the shit until we are back in serfdom.

ALEC doesnt work alone. Its a cog in the machine. One of the tentacles if you will.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

My attacks are on the anti 99% conservative extremists. Republicans have aligned themselves there, but there was a time when a moderate republican existed.

So the repubs need to address that problem.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Tenants are fine. & non of your business. And you are the nattering nabob of negatism, Not me. I am positive about the future because of this great movement.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

How about you donate one of those houses for occupy?

It would be more helpful than blabbering on here about republicans for years on end.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

" Its just a matter of how long will it take to implement all the shit until we are back in serfdom."

Oh jesus. It's the nattering nabob of negatism again.

"Oh it's all over. We're never gonna make it. We can't stop them. Find me a corner to crawl into. Cry me a river. Where is my bunker?. You get the food I got the ammo"

Stop your childish whining!!!! Grow a bigger pair. Focus on the right wing wackos trying to steal elections. Fight the power. Stop working against the effort.

Un fuckin believable.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Sorry but thats their plan. If it makes you feel like hiding in a corner, or hiding on this site all week, then I cant help you.

Go check on your tenants. Im going back to work.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

3rd party too baby. Who'd of thought that?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You seem just anti dem republican to me.

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I've voted for all different parties over the years because not one party covers my beliefs. I just hate seeing a movement like this become just another mouthpiece for the establishment.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Good thing they haven't! Whew. They remain a mouthpiece for the 99% and for progressive change.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

You and I built that. :)

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It ain't always easy. I get beat up a lot. LOL

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

If you say so.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

i was serious. we keep a dialogue up

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Not as funny as you flipping out over hoax racial attacks

But really, you don't think they are tons of examples of union corruption out there? it's all made up? That was just the first thing that popped up and I didn't have time to explore more. I'm not in a union so I actually have to do work at my job.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

85 Billion a month and counting, right now.

Congress loves it, the people get screwed.

Wake up and join the team.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1980) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Not joining any Con scam team in this lifetime!

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Banks destroying the planet has been, and still is, a bipartisan lovefest.

Too bad you ignore reality.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

No bigger con than 85billion a month going to banks and not a peep outta Dems, Reps or the media.

Occupy Goldman

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Can't bring yourself to criticize your neocon paymasters?