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Forum Post: How do the 1% attain political power?

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 24, 2011, 12:58 p.m. EST by qazxcv88 (0)
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[-] 2 points by kodanon (5) 2 years ago

They do it through more and more laws and regulations! The weapon of the majority is freedom! They have ammunition such as control of the media, but we have the internet. They have the schools but we have our books! They manipulate elections but we are the votes! The power is all ours, that is unless they regulate us to death! If that comes, then a bloody revolution is the only answer!

[-] 1 points by ABE72 (4) 2 years ago

what about ending the fed and going back to a gold standard and requiring public employees like police and government be accountable to the people that elected them and if they dont do they're job they should be removed they are public employees which means we pay them and they work for us just like cities and states are public properties and we shouldnt be removed or hurt if we protest on public properties we pay for! and finally when the people vote for something no government branch (once again public employees) shall be able to undermine or send to a supreme court to be overturned 7 judges cant make decisions for us on things that have already been voted on nor any publicly elected officials should have any right to vetoe the peoples rights or votes.no amendments shall be made to our constitution or bill of rights without vote by all Americans. get us out of NAFTA and the U.N. immediately and all infringements of our rights stop here now.we should not have to petition or gain a permit to address our grievances to protest is instrumental to a healthy country. one more is not allowing anybody in our government to start a war at all without our vote the peoples vote!

[-] 1 points by MoshehThezion (98) 2 years ago

HOW THE 1% really make their money

DEBT SLAVERY IS… To lend for profit over time…. .. if i make you a large loan, and set it up so that a large percentage of your labor goes to make payments to me, and the total cost will be no less than double the loan, and.. if you ever fail to make a payment, even if it is the last one… YOU LOSE EVERYTHING… and i take it all… and YOU GET NOTHING…. if I do that to you… then for the period of time.. during the loan repayment period.. you are my debt slave, who must work to pay your debt, and if you do not, everything you own can be taken, and all you are investing in lost and taken as well, and you… as the borrower… are under contract for all of it… A CONTRACT… OF DEBT SLAVERY. that… is how it works. THAT IS HOW IT HAS ALWAYS WORKED…. in fact usually in history… the lender.. was also the employer, and landlord.. and market owner… and allowed them to truly rob people… but today… everything is broken up… but the lenders… are still making money by enslaving us to their debts, and owning parts.. %.. of our productive value.

A full slave… means you own it completely… the slave is your property. A debt slave… means you lend, and place them in debt to you, for terms… terms.. which provide double value or more on all loans, and also assured ownership of all investment assets… So that during the time of re-payment… everything the debt slave owns, is actually owned by the lender.

IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO RUN AN ECONOMY????? eh?????

EH????? EVERYONE???????

Because wake up… THAT IS HOW IT IS TODAY….. right now… this is your world. YOU… are a debt slave, to currency, to loans, and to the debts of the nation, placed on you.

We can fix this.. and set us all free.

-Mosheh Thezion Candidate for U.S. President in 2012 http://mosheh.org/Home.html 1-818-397-1352 campaign@mosheh.org

[-] 1 points by ldrjens1 (2) 2 years ago

Hi. I guess I'm the villain. But I don't have any political power or aspirations. I was born in small town in Utah in 1952, I got a second rate primary education, I went to college (worked two to three low level jobs to pay my way through), started my first job working for $2.10/hour (with a college degree in mathematics). I saved, got into graduate school (worked 1 or two jobs to pay my way), got out worked for the Univ. of Utah for 30 years, saved like crazy. Then started a medical device company, made some money, started a brewpub, made some money, now after working 100 hour weeks off and on for 15 years I passed into the "evil" group of Americans. But... I now provide over 320 jobs, with health insurance, 401(k)s that I match, bonus programs and other benefits. But I'm in the 1%, and I'm the bad guy. Weird that after working so hard, providing so many jobs (and by the way I didn't down size during the meltdown, didn't lower salaries, didn't decrease benefits) that someone comes along makes a decision that I'm the bad guy.... and I need to be punished for what I've done.... Did anyone actually interview me? Or is there a simple minded assumption that anyone who is in the 1% is responsible for the mess our country is in? I don't think people like me are the problem... In fact I think people like me are the solution. Keeping the path open for people like is important because if a young person looks ahead and sees that "success" is punished (both with taxation and social disgrace) they just might choose a path that doesn't create jobs and opportunity.

[-] 1 points by xyoe (4) from Maltaberg, Ktn. 2 years ago

Sir, you are not the bad guy, and you are not the 1% (and you know it).

[-] 1 points by Cleitophon (43) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Blaming the GOP for all your problems

[-] 1 points by GreedDeck (1) 2 years ago

Ever heard of ALEC. This where the 1% attained their political power. The rich and powerful hook up with unethical politicians then pay them millions via campaign contribution to pass laws that benefit the 1% bottom line on the backs of the 99%.

[-] 1 points by Keepitsimple (110) 2 years ago

I'd say the 1% attained their political power from the apathy of the lower 90%.

“From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependency back again into bondage." Quote from a couple hundred years ago. And, still rings true.

[-] 3 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 2 years ago

Agree completely, and it's time to find the courage to slay the apathy. There's strength in #'s. We. Are. The 99%

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Thank you Keep. Now I agree with you on that one. How history does tend to repeat itself. Do you agree that we are somewhere between abundance -selfishness today?, or where do you see us as a country??

Looking forward. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by Keepitsimple (110) 2 years ago

One of the problems of breaking the loop from bondage back to bondage is the time element. I’m not a history buff but I think the settlers from England risked the journey to the new world to break out of bondage. It took great courage to gain and win the freedoms outlined in the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. Yes, I'm aware of the genocide committed on the indians so that the conquers could have their "freedom".

Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, "A republic, if you can keep it."

So, it seems the generations who reaped the spoils of liberty, abundance, and selfishness became politically soft. Franklin must have known the dangers of this loop by stating: "A republic, if you can keep it."

Where do we go from here? When did we loose our Republic and became a democracy? What questions should be asked?

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Thanks for that insight. I would rephrase your last two paragraphs as follows:

"So, it seems the generations who reaped the spoils of liberty,and abundance, saw the next generations become SOFT and saw them SELFISHLY looking to the government to POLITICALLY provide those prior individually sought after rights to liberty and abundance.

In my honest opinion - that is when we began losing our republic, one vote at a time, both up the political line and down that line. We started voting for the representation that would give us more, they voted to give us more and the vicious cycle continues today.

What Questions SHOULD we be asking??

  1. What does history have to tell us about our freedoms and how did the documents that established those freedoms put that into words??

  2. Why is our greatest concern about freedom of-from religion our biggest target when we sit by happily giving every other freedom away to the Federal Government??

  3. How do we stop voting our ME-ME mentality out of democracy and turn our vote towards the reestablishment of a sound republic.

  4. Why is the body elected to represent us so stalemated that they are becoming totally ineffective? and how does this relate to the ME-ME mentality and the fact that that body, sooner or later will simply run out of money (whether taxes, borrowed, or taken away)?? Is this the reason for the stalemate today??

  5. Why do we praise the "New Deal" which was a program implemented during a time of severe crisis and fight to keep it and its' philosophy once the crisis is over??

  6. What is the difference between a "bailout" of businesses and a "bailout" of individuals?? ie: GM and Big Banks vs college students who think they borrowed too much for their education. Are these not both bailouts?? How can anyone or any organization determine that one is good and the other evil??

  7. Why, if our forefathers fought for their freedom from England and its imposed religion and government are we, todays' generation, falling all over each other to fight for freedom from religion, BUT ignorantly GIVING all our other freedoms back to the government??

  8. Why, if we read the founding documents as originally intended, do we not see that they were founded on both the freedom of-from religion and freedom of-from government (specifically at the Federal level) ??

  9. Is the fight for financial equality, taking from the 1% to equalize this, etc the final "gasp" of a generation that has finally expended all the resources available to them whether through taxation, mortgaging our land for 15T$, and now looking at taking it from the rich as their last ditch effort to preserve their way of life??

  10. Are, we as a people, prepared to stop the insanity of money or power controlling our lives, whether through buyouts of our representatives, bailouts of every business, corporation and individual and the continued downward flow of money with all the control that it gives to the bureaucrats in some office in DC?? Have we all, in effect, sold our soul to DC??

[-] 0 points by aahpat (1407) 2 years ago

"How the 1% attain political power "

They get everyone who disagrees with them so disgusted, disaffected or disenfranchised that only people who agree with them can and do vote. Just look at how disaffected and disgusted the majority of OWS supporters on these forums appear. Most will not even talk about participating in the democratic process.

Its a damned shame because all that is needed is creative alternatives to the two party duopoly and its suppression of diversity in politics.

Come talk about it at my new blog effort: Liberate American democracy blog http://liberate-american-democracy.blogspot.com/

[-] 1 points by EricBlair (447) 2 years ago

Uh, pretty much all of us are participating in the democratic process. We're pretty active in it in fact. We get beaten by cops and sleep on cold concrete for it.

What we don't do is vote in rigged corporate elections, and reinforce the notion that the United States government is a democracy or a legitimate institution.

You shouldn't either.

[-] 0 points by aahpat (1407) 2 years ago

They know that they can beat you down because you will not fight back in the one place that you can hurt them, the voting booth.Your not participating in democracy. You are being a masochistic self imposed victim of the corruptors of democracy.

You are giving Wall Street and the two dominance parties just what they want most, a non-participating disaffected dissident. The last thing they want to see is dissidents expressing themselves in the electoral process because they know that you will not play their party ticket pigeon hole game.

But your so short sighted and childish that you simply give them everything without a fight.

Don't play the martyr card. You have no cause that you are fighting for. Your bleeding serves only to give Wall Street a good laugh.

[-] 1 points by EricBlair (447) 2 years ago

<<<They know that they can beat you down because you will not fight back in the one place that you can hurt them, the voting booth.Your not participating in democracy.>>>

We are organized under the principles of direct participatory democracy actually.

What isn't participating in democracy is voting in US elections, because THE US ISN'T A DEMOCRACY.

You are not only doing nothing by voting and telling others to vote, you are working against democracy by diverting attention into political theater designed marginalize and placate them.

There's nothing more condescending than pedestrians like you telling people (who are working hard every day towards a democratic society) that they are "non-participating" or "giving up with out a fight." I don't see you organizing any global movements or general strikes that shut down a major port. I don't see you getting maced in the face.

You're a goddamn sheep who thinks he's an insightful rebel.

Go pull a lever in a booth, and join in the mass ritual masturbation. Pretend like you're doing something. Just don't try drag others into that trap with you.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 2 years ago

You are so perfectly programmed by Wall Street to be mindlessly disaffected into believing that you have no power.

You are a text book example of Wall Streets success at subverting America's democracy. You give them their power with your lack of willingness to oppose them with the real and existing institutions that you hold power within.

They have power only because you believe that you are powerless.

[-] 1 points by EricBlair (447) 2 years ago

1) I've have never asserted that we are "powerless". We are waging a revolution that has the most powerful entities in the world terrified and scrambling to suppress/co-opt before it gets out of their control.

2) America is not (nor has it ever been) a democracy.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 2 years ago

I disagree on both points.

A revolution has purpose.

A subverted democracy is still a democracy. It is up to us to get it unsubverted.

You are making the entire process a lot harder than it has to be. I am not willing to re-invent the wheel when all it needs is some air.

[-] 1 points by EricBlair (447) 2 years ago

US democracy hasn't been subverted. It never existed in the first place.

Pull your head out of the sand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 2 years ago

That is just an excuse for defeatism. Your too fuckin lazy to be a part of any civil society so you blame everything but yourself.

If you are so incapable of expressing your views that you need to point to videos you are too lazy to bother with.

[-] 0 points by EricBlair (447) 2 years ago

Once again, I would like to note the entertaining irony of this person (who advocates the strenuous task of pushing buttons in a booth) accusing Occupy protestors (who build whole democratic communities and villages from the ground up) of being "lazy" and "defeatist"--- because we don't listen to his bad ideas.

Pardon me, I need to go get an ice-pack because I marched for nearly twenty miles after getting cracked across the shin with a night-stick...

[-] -2 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

I am waiting, tell me how the 1% attain political power??

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They do it through direct payments, think tanks, front groups. marketing/PR.

So many ways.

ALEC, is for the republicans too stupid to formulate their own bills, and there are a whole lot of those.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

We all have some link to think tanks, front groups, marketing/PR and defend that connection as free speech.

The only problem you have left is "direct payments". If that is the problem resulting in attaining political power, then lets' identify it, and do something about it.

Why do we insist on adding word upon word and setting ourselves up for someone to easily prove us wrong.

"The present system and laws of our Representative Government, allows for and does not sufficiently restrict, political power being attained through the direct payment of funds or other remuneration to those elected to represent us, by any entity seeking to obtain such power. We see this as morally and legally wrong."

Your turn - prove this statement wrong.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You missed this one.

It shows that republicans are dumber than a cow flop.

Too lazy to even write their own bills. too busy counting bribes I guess.

http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

I am sorry but I gotta say it - You do not have a clue about how a bill is written, who has input into it, who actually writes the bill, how it is repeatedly modified, etc do you??

Are you aware, that you as an individual (shooz) can actually write and initiate a bill.

I suppose you would apply your same reasoning and think that the HealthCare bill was somehow penned by Mr. Obama himself, with a little help from Harry Reid himself.

Dream on Republican, Dream on. There are plenty of cow flops for everyone.

PS - I , as a common working man, have some very specific words in a bill that became law a few years ago and am damn proud of that fact. You see, I had the great honor of sitting down with the man that was the basic drafter of that bill which became law AND neither of us did so as a Republican or a Democrat nor were either of us elected to the positions we held.

Now take your collection of cow flops and have a great day.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The health care bill was mostly penned by the insurance lobbies.

It was a nod to the republicans, though they put on their theatrical whining anyway.

Don't you know how politics gets done these days.

That's why I welcome any union influence.

They are the 99%.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

So what is your point - is there some great diffence between "THESE" days and "THOSE" days that you want to make??

[-] 0 points by Renaye (522) 2 years ago

Watch "The Money Masters". Its all there and never been debunked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs

[-] -1 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

No thanks. If YOU don't have an answer I am not interested.