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Forum Post: How do you stop a serial killer?

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 26, 2011, 7:23 p.m. EST by hollypuke (21)
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After watching the what happened in Oakland, I felt sick to my stomach and the only thing I could think was "We NEED to start fighting back!" Being passive only gets you SO FAR. I understand this is a peaceful movement but how will the bring about REAL change?

You cannot simply ask a serial killer nicely to stop killing people, their very nature dictates this is NOT effective.

Why are we voluntarily walking into a gun fight completely naked?



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[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

This post is absolutely wrong. OWS has made unprecidented gains in only a matter of months. If anybody expects this to be quick and easy I'm afraid they will be disillusioned. But the fact is, what do we have to look forard to but a life of slavery if we don't stand up? What's needed is reason, courage and stregnth.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

you would loose a direct war/inserection against the american state.., don't matter how many guns the gun-nuts have stashed in their survival bunkers. The only way to win a fight against a foe with that much fire power is to get the PEOPLE that operate the hardware to SAY NO to their bosses. When enough of the 99% figure out that they need to take a stand and just say,. "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that." (assuming your sargent's name is Dave.)

[-] 1 points by hollypuke (21) 12 years ago

well actually, i'm canadian, i'd only require a nail gun. haha

[-] 1 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 12 years ago

They WANT you to riot. They want the crowd to become violent. Think about it. Then the president can declare martial law and bring in the military.

Okay so here are the choices:

1) become violent and fight back when the police provoke.

2) remain peaceful and practice civil disobedience.

If you are violent, ultimately you will NOT win when you have to go up against the arsenal of the U.S. military.

If you are violent and by some act of God, OWS actually prevails over the U.S. military, the regime borne out of violent revolution will be worse than the one we currently have (i.e., history always repeats itself)

If you are violent, you will definitely lose the moral high ground and the support / justification of the American people.

If you are peaceful, then every act of aggression on the part of the police/authorities goes viral and further galvanizes the movement, and recruits more Americans to the cause.

If you are peaceful, it is MUCH more difficult for them to raise the level of the conflict to beating people, shooting at people, because the people are not fighting back.

At this time in history, change MUST be peaceful. All other regimes in history have been born of violence in one form or another. It is time for humans to choose a path of non-violence. It is the only path that will work. You know they say - you can't banish the dark with more darkness. You can only fight the dark by turning on the light.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 12 years ago

Peaceful=free from disturbance, tranquil, harmonious relations, free from dispute

Civil Disobedience=act of conscious refusal to obey certain laws, commands, or rules

The two terms "peaceful" and "civil disobedience" are in opposition to each other. Peaceable assembly is protected by the constitution, civil disobedience is NOT.


From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

"Legal Protest: The obvious difference between legal protest and civil disobedience is that the former lies within the bounds of the law, but the latter does not."

Do you understand these words? They are not difficult to understand and the vast majority of US citizens understand them perfectly. If you wish for your protest to be legal-AND fall under the protection of the US Constitution's 1st Amendment-you must obey the legal (law) guidelines regarding protests.

The moment you disobey the police or the established laws of society-you LOSE the right of protection under the Constitution's 1st Amendment because you are no longer being peaceable-you are disturbing and agitating and causing conflict-the OPPOSITES of peaceable. The Constitution does not protect you or your rights to assemble UNpeaceably-and in breaking the laws of the land on purpose-you subject yourselves to the consequences of law breaking.

All the world can see that the people in Oakland were provoking the police, not the other way around. Their own acts of aggression (hostile attitudes and readiness to confront are also considered aggression) are what resulted in the police response and while it might gain you some aggressive recruits, it will, and it is, galvanizing the rest of the citizens AGAINST you.

[-] 1 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 12 years ago

They were marching. How is it that they were provoking the police?

[-] 1 points by nuclearradio (227) 12 years ago

YES! We need to FIGHT to protect our right to protest!

[-] 1 points by MJMorrow (419) 12 years ago

Record police brutality and take down badge numbers, as best you can. Report brutatlity of the police to the FBI and the State Police, in your home state.

[-] 2 points by hollypuke (21) 12 years ago

The police will not police the police my friend.

[-] 1 points by MJMorrow (419) 12 years ago

Yes, they will. I know this from experience. The FBI and the State Police will stand by you. There are always bad apples, everywhere, but there are some damn fine, shiny apples, too.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 12 years ago

Why do you want to attend a gun fight in the first place?

[-] 1 points by bastiat2011 (0) 12 years ago