Forum Post: Hey! Listen Up!
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 30, 2012, 1:11 a.m. EST by ZenDogTroll
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from South Burlington, VT
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[-] 2 points by Madinusa (76) from Queens, NY 2 minutes ago
First Zen...let's get one thing straight, depite what you might have heard around here about me, I am not the one who gives piss tests to see if you are 'pure' enough to be in OWS. Gee, i wouldn't want that job for all the 'tea in China,'.... 'cepting of course if..... never mind....lol That is no one's job.
Most of the folks I have met in OWS, and all of the folks I know in the affinity group Occupy Town Square, which I have been a member of since early this year, are really nice people, regular folks even, really! We all have political backgounds, and I would imagine that some are still active in party politics, although I have never discussed it with them. That's fine, that involvement is good for short-term relief, it really is, and I can understand it even more where people are not near dynamic Occupy movements, as it is the second best thing, aside perhaps from ALL resistance, and reaching out, in that case. It's the proselytizing for parties, or canidates within the OWS tent....well that's where the problem lies, and i have not seen it at OWS events, with the exception of a couple of Ron Paul signs at Zuccotti last fall.
There are more discussions going on about a whole range of subjects than either of us know about. I like many people here was feeling a bit down this winter when this movement seemed to be fading, but then I went to the big GA gathering this spring in Central Park. I was amazed, I really was at all that had obviously been going on this past winter. The positive energy was incredible. I walked around in awe, and looked at all the displays laid out on the grass, and then listened to their determined speeches. I asked one group of people why they were there with anti-profiling of Muslims' literature, as they clearly did not look like Muslims to me. They told me they were there for their Muslim neighbors in Queens. I started to tear up.
This movement is not going to die. We do have to realize though that it is not our generation that will be leading it. That does not mean that we are not an integral part of this noble struggle though. We just ALL have to figure out where we fit in best, and leave our egos behind. That is what I see everyone in Occupy doing, and that is what I do too.
There is much to be angry about. That sense of outrage has been missing in this country for a long time. Unlike this forum though, that anger that I see in NYC is directed at the rotten system, not at each other. Here, while we are cursing each other out, down-voting each other with multiple pseudonyms, and figuring out clever little ways to denigrate each other......there in NYC there is a strong feeling of comradely, and community. YES in that big city, a feeling of community, imagine that! People calling each other to make sure they got home alright after taking part in a direct action....people getting the names of people arrested, and arranging the NLG's arrival...sharing their food....buying pitchers of beer, and celebrating someone who was released from jail for following his conscience. It goes on, and on, and the feeling of friendship with people that you hardly know grows quick. Because we all know... that we are involved in a noble struggle that will effect generations to come. We also know, it will not be easy....but what I see is beautiful, it really is.
So what is the difference between this dynamic movement in NY, and this forum? For 1., it is the age difference. It took me a while to accept the fact that this movement was going to be led by the young, not us. 2. It is the geographic difference, and not being near active Occupy movements, and hence in some cases, not really having a full understanding of what this movement is about, and how it is being prosecuted in a clear very determined, yet friendly way. But by far, and away the reason that this forum is so unlike what I see in NYC, is because of all the hacks, and shills on here. They do a real disservice to this movement, especially to the people who are really making huge sacrifices for the cause, and since I know some of the latter personally, it pisses me off to no end.
I've offered my suggestions on how to improve this forum so that it connects with the streets more, but no bites yet. Until we do though, we will not be reaching the potential that we should be striving for.
I can't help but smile while I type this. But if you were to meet some of the people that i know personally in OTS, or OWS, you may find that you have more in common than you think. Despite the image that VQ wanted the readers here to conjure up of me being a well-off guy in the 'burbs picking on a kid who grew up poor in the projects, that is definitely not the case. I do kinda wish the former were true though. lol Anyway, the point is, if they accepted me, you should have 'clear sailing', as I can be a little rough around the edges too. ;-)
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So, ummm . . .
do you think we can stop banning Odin?
We don't always agree, but he was always as polite to me as I was to him.
And I always tried to be polite to him and never had a single "issue" with him.
I never did see what the problem with him was, there was no reason to ban him.
PS. Plus he's been here as long as almost any of us.
That's a pretty good track record.
Thanks shooz, I went to my first protest, We Got Mail (to the banks)just four days after returning from my previous trip to AK, Oct 26-27, and joined this forum a week or so later under the pseudonym Thor. Not liking that moniker, I packed it up, and chose Odin a week or so later
Thor?! I wondered where Thor went...I missed Thor! At that time my username was Leynna. So glad you never left!
Thor was only around a week or so in November, that's it. Then he got packed away for good. I have always been a critic of multiple pseudonyms, so I was not going to be a hypocrite
Leynna, Rennaye, Renaye, Renneye, etc... How many times did you get banned for posting conspiracy theories? You ruin Occupy's message just as much as the moveon crowd. You make us look like mentally ill idiots.
I never knew you were Leynna. I just checked the forum. It's hilarious. There are all kinds of lost posts under that name to laugh at. I love it!
Can I ask why are you still here if you believe OWS is a Covert Agenda by the Globalist?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-covert-agenda-by-the-globalists/
This one is a classic one too! It helps us understand your clever deep mind.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/illuminati-symbol-in-ows/
You know perfectly well that I was Leynna. I got banned because of you, over and over again. The mods are busy, and many times people get banned more because there's a complaint rather than on content...and you know that too. Odin's banning is a testament to that. You got me shadow banned two days ago for a posting about the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) for pete's sake! How is that CT? Then you PMed me to taunt me about it!
So trashy/Victor/ia/April, thanks for the trip down memory lane. You are a self-aggrandized nincompoop...but I won't bother ripping into you on this thread. The focus on this thread should be on Odin, and your post above is a disservice to him.
You have zero self-control.
Is that really you buddy?
Hope your trip went well.
My daughter's in China now............................:)
Yep, cool about your daughter. It's hard letting go, eh?
It's all good. She's living her dream........:)
It would be nice if she'd call home though.
When you're in an adventure, It's difficult to call sometimes. I remember when one of my daughters went to India for a year with the Rotary Club. She had the chance to go on a two week hike on K2 in the Himalayas. They did not want her to go because they did not think she could handle it. She called telling us how important it was to her, and we then gave her permission. She ended up being able to handle it better than most of the guys. Strong legs runs in the family.
You gotta understand, when Mom worries, she takes it out on me......LOL.
Odin, Dka, we can diminish, what good are they? But what about the others who were censored/banned, who actually mattered??? Hmmm????
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I don't know about all that, but I thought the attack on him pointless, unfounded and downright silly.
I'd have been grumpy too..................:)
MO did not seem to be his thing. "Nothing" was more like it.
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I don't remember talking with Madinusa, as you already said, I'm new here, but knowing as little more of his stance, then yes I think I support him.
As for you, my main problem have always been the lies and manipulations you spread on me, it started as soon as I set foot here, and you never stopped harassing me, so you were entirely worth my rage and disrespect. Next is all the contradicting stuff you spread like that matter of anarchy, you made it feel like anarchy was the solution to everything, and now you change your speech and it reflect my position of the use of anarchy, I kind of feel like a fool all of a sudden, but not since now you seem to be a socialist while yesterday you defended the contrary. When I said I had no problem with anarchist bashing things around, or even a previous statement from me about my personal roots as something like an anarchist, then why didn’t you stop harassing me? When I said I didn’t want to live in anarchy as a system, that people would never identify themselves as anarchists, then pray tell me why you didn’t answer that you didn’t see anarchy as the future of humanity? No you continued like everything was about anarchy.
What is strange is that yesterday I received a few messages from ground protesters on my tread about the future of OWS, and they had the same view as me about violence, one even mentioned the usefulness of the green, red and black block, I got along very well with them, so why not you? It is your lying and manipulative attitude that scrapped that, we could have understood each others to some extent without this shit. Finally, don’t think you made that much good here, I’m sure your attitude divided and affected negatively the movement more than anything else, you didn’t need that attitude to defend or support Odin.
Your view is myopic because you have only been here for a month. I never said that anarchy was the solution for everything. I never even harassed you except to say that I didn't believe in the ideas raised in your book which was nothing more than me giving you an honest criticism. I was expressing an opinion, and you freaked out.
Stop extrapolating and guessing. I have been here for one year, you have only been here one month. The problem is you keep guessing what my intentions are and you keep getting it wrong. I helped this site on many occasions. At one point, I fought hard against hackers flooding this site with TV ads. Before that, I worked in tandem with jart analyzing IP addresses and comments to track down a major troll who was harassing and attacking the site like no one has ever since. Talk to people, I got ride of the 911 Truthers, and the Jew haters that were here before by attacking them with scripts. I did a whole lot more for this place than you ever will.
Take some time to breathe. You're new here. It's normal you don't understand everyone's position. I said I was a socialist from the first time I stepped in here. Ask April, or others who know me. Stop judging others without knowing anything about them or this site.
Honest my ass! I don't have to repeat my arguments, both about my work and your autosuggestion that I can't take criticism. I have received many emails about my work, much criticism, and that’s in part why I’m editing them all over. So stop this bullshit, you are jealous, and in all the exchanges you had with me you lied and manipulated. Again, you can't critic something you didn't read, you spread falsehood about my work, I can't repair a problem that don't exist! You spread lies, if the problem you mention don't exist, how can I repair it? And what was I to do? Accept any criticism?
“Stop judging others without knowing anything about them or this site”
I judge from my current experience, it is not because someone have been here one year before me that I’ll never have the right to judge his actions, and I can't waste a month reading your infinite list of bullshit posts. Or to go to the beginning to find the single time you said you are a socialist...
And yes you did some good, and i'll even say that modifying the score thing may be a good idea, and you are right saying that 3 moderators is better.
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It says in your profile that you've been here since Aug 30th.
The only place that's a year is the twilight zone.
Read the comments on the forum. I clearly stated that insupportofOdin was Thrasymaque, and our friend Proteus stated he has only been here a month.
Then it would follow that all of those should be banned.
Sock puppets are tyranny.
Or, if I was never banned, then I would stick to one username. Of course, when I'm banned I resuscitate a few minutes later so it only has the affect of changing my username and confusing you even more. However, I rather like that. My username is of no importance. My history is of no importance. My intentions are of no importance. My score is of no importance. I want to be like a blank page. The only thing that is important is the idea on that page.
Which if it were true, would show you to be egotistical, tyrannical and in clear violation of the rules.
It's my belief that you deserved every single banning you ever got.
The shame is that there isn't a way to ban you completely.
I like being banned. As I said, I like being a blank page. Only ideas matter.
I can call in your request, if you like.
We do aim please..........................:)
I see little reason for you to stick around anyway.
You mostly lie and feed you ego.
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I intend on keeping my ego
Odin should be reinstated with all of his points. No question. We let BetsyRoss stick around and ban Odin? Come on.
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Nice, good work ZenDog.
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Nice. Perhaps they could give him back all of his points as well? I'm not a moderator either and never want to be, but I do think Odin is due all of his points back. Fair is fair. Other people were given their points back when attacked.
Thanks bw, but it is unlikely that I would get my near 3,300 pts. back. It's not that important to me. I am not here for points, but rather to forward this noble struggle that we are all in. Some people here have pegged me as a troublemaker, but if they want to take that position because I refuse to let this movement to devolve into the same slimey world of partisan politics that has helped keep us in the godawful situation that we are all in......so be it.
I totally agree about the points. They mean nothing. It was just an idea for fairness.
The point system has become distorted by multiple pseudonyms, and vindictive little people who are trying to co-opt this movement. You, shadz, Zen, and a few others here are an exception. Despite the differences I may have with you, I regard you all as people of integrity. So under that light, i give you all a cyber hug..((((( )))), and a Solidarity On a side note, i'm geting good with this cyber stuff, eh? ;-)
Nice, and DKA just made a good point about how points help to identify people. That is very true. You should get your points back.
It wouldn't matter if i got my points back or not bw. The other day, i had two thoughtful comments in the best comment list, both at plus 6. Within minutes, they were at zero. Call it a conspiracy, or whatever you want, but there is definitely a perverse dynamic here that is aimed to make people who believe that this movement should not devolve into a partisan struggle....seem like they are out of the loop from the mainstream OWS.
I'm looking for issues in the top comments
you won't find any of mine there, no matter how thoughtful they may be, unless 'they all' take a lunch, or dinner break, and leave the forum unattended. lol
Helpful in identification - harder for imposters.
That is a very good point!
Thanks BW. Can't say I am as happy as you about Odin's return.
Oh come on, now! We learn from each other.
Some do some don't - some are willing others not so much.
Yeah, but stubbornness doesn't mean someone doesn't support Occupy and that they don't have something to contribute.
It's OK BW - we have different perspectives and experiences. {:-])
[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (8237) 0 minutes ago
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So far I have not seen Odin contribute - other then some stories. I have seen him on the attack being divisive - that is not at all a contribution.
Ay, ay, ay!!!
Opposition is healthy, providing it isn't destructive. You cannot grow without it.
I would rather not see opposition between supporters of OWS or any of the Occupy movements. I don't think it is very productive.
not if it's empty opposition
What? I think you need to explain that one a bit.
Life is opposition. The only choice you have is how you deal with it. Unless it's destructive, then I say ban that ass!
And so have divisive destructive personalities been dealt with. I suppose the mods will determine whether they made a mistake or not soon enough.
I agree, this ain't no Donkey Kong. Who needs points when we have ideas!
Yes, this is no "Donkey Kong"...lol...err not exactly sure what that is. I have found mostly through my 30 plus year career as an MM, that some of the best ideas can come from people who were new in the business, as they were not hindered by often flawed dogma. Having that new approach is exactly what we need going forward, as the old way of doing things clearly has not worked, or will it in the crisis that we find ourselves in on so many different levels. As bw has mentioned several times, developing a new set of ethos has to be one of our top priorities if we are going to succeed. It is that new, or perhaps a return in some instances, way of looking at things that is exactly what the OWS affinity group Occupy Town Square is all about. Look for my thread later today. Note: Twice last night, it got wiped out....very frustrating
You have to say "This ain't no Donkey Kong", not "This is no Donkey Kong". Lol! Dude!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_Kong
Hint: It's also one of my catch-phrases on here. If you see someone write that, it usually means it's me.
How did it get wiped out? Do you mean shadow-banned? If so, it could be a mod, or perhaps a keyword triggered it.
So U R a liar as well as a bot user - Hey newbie?
Everybody lies except president letter writing nerds.
And the mask comes off. Piss Off Poser.
Ma'am, you've been chosen to represent the Occupy forum at our next conference...
Shit Head.
Girl! Common. It was funny. You even said you had a few laughs. Don't take life so seriously. It's just fun and games!
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Not even back for a whole day and already trying to pick fights and be divisive.
As I understand it you made a plea to be let back onto the forum and that you would be a positive influence and would work to contribute.
Huh - funny I have yet to see you contributing to street protests - which is where you say your heart is.
So either get to work supporting OWS and all Occupy movements - OR PISS OFF.
Note: You were the first to instigate an exchange with me. I was quite happy staying away from you.
Your idea of being a positive influence is to be a lap dog for the dems
You are out of touch with what this rev is about from your home in Coon Rapids
Tomorrow is another day for me at Washington Square Park NYC with OWS, and those wonderful, courageous people,......who know what this rev is about.......... in OTS
Last week, it was a Sunset Park event for me, and a rent strike protest march afterwards
Will I see you at WSP tomorrow?? I expect not
Would you like to go halves with me on a room on S15 and 16? lol
You won't hog the bed, will you?
You will be giving a speech on the 17th, right? lol
And there you go with your slactivism innuendo again. FUCK YOU.
Hey where is your magnificent post that you've been putting off?
BTW - I ran across your poison pen comment - or I would not have made a comment to you.
So far all I have seen since your return is that you have been doing nothing - unless of course you were trying to pick a fight with VQ or say how abused you have been.
Where are all of your good works you promised to do if you were allowed back onto the forum?
Yeah yeah OTS and "your" wonderful group of young people - who apparently do all of the work with no input from you same as your lack of input on this forum. I have seen stuff about OTS and they look to be a good group - what I can't figure out is what do you do for them?
OTS ?
Occupy Town Square.
Occupy Town Square....an affinity group of OWS with a great bunch of young people in it, and one old dude who gets in the way ;-)
I do not ever remember attacking a good piece about an Occupy group
I do not consider the shills, and hacks as supporters of OWS, in fact just the opposite
There is a major difference between VQkag, and people of conscience like Zen who disagrees with me. They should not even be in the same sentence
Do you not believe that there are not people here for the sole purpose to co-opt this movement?
NO WAR
I believe that there are those who would like to destroy this forum. And if you are not suffering from faulty vision as well as thinking - then you could well be one of them.
OK, as promised to bw, I will pick this up on Tuesday. I may decide to put up a thread Sunday or Monday about the people in OTS, and if I do, and it gets trashed, by you or your buddies.......I will pick up the proverbial Thor's Hammer very quickly. That's just fact.
If it is a good piece about OTS - I would also be upset if it got attacked.
Odin I am not your enemy - but you make yourself a target because you are so divisive.
I do not know of anyone here - besides an honest to God Forum attacker - that would trash a good piece about a good Occupy group.
The only one's that are here at the moment in this conversation is you and I - and you have a tendency to attack supporters of the Occupy movements because you do not like their legitimate tactics.
So don't worry about me or people whom I like - worry about that guy in the mirror.
The concept of you believing that THIS PLACE is for partisan politics is a flawed one
OWS is against being involved in partisan politics, which you disguise now as political actions,
You and your buddies are trying to have OWS walk down a different path, because YOU deem that it should
Getting along to you means 'agreeing up' to your mis-guided notions, and I will not to do that in the face of what is at stake
Yes, I am a stubborn block-head as most Scandinavians are, and as you would know from living in MN
At bw's request i told her that i would cool it with you, and VQkag for a few days, so let's pick this up again on say Tuesday, OK?
That's of course, if you don't lash out at me again
More importantly tonight anyway, there is a beautiful Blue Moon which you should check out, and no, it's no trick Odin for now ;-)
I am not about partisan politics - I am partisan people. Currently the RINO's are very obvious. This movement - all of the movements will need to see success through political participation - that is what Direct Democracy is - People's Politics.
smile, whatever you need dk
Word of advice - like I tried to give you before - Concentrate on promoting street protests - Your adopted group OTS and the other street protests that are advertised on this site.
You don't believe in political action - FINE - others do - Leave them alone.
I have asked and will continue to ask all supporters to get along with all supporters - and that if they can not agree on the tactics street protest or some sort of political action - that is OK - just leave each other alone.
Are You gonna take that advice or are you likely to show-up again with another username because you are a stubborn block head?
Please refrain from using profanity DK
The mere fact that you defend VQkag2 says it all
Poisin pen comments? Yes I have seen yours too.
Agreed my contributions, pale to the many young people in this movement who sacirifice so much
Ummm let me think about that . . . hmmmm . . . No!
I made no poison pen comments about you - I smacked you a pretty good one - and it was comments made directly to you - instead of like you comments you made to others about me - suck it up Merchant Marine (?).
BTW - If what you say about your family is TRUE(?) - they are outstanding people - they must get it from their MOM.
my vision, and thinking are clear, and good
Sure sure - keep tellin yourself that.
When all chance of presenting a reasonable argument is gone
There is only frustration, and obscenities left
Case closed DK
I guess that makes you the frustrated obscenity - Hey?
You lie DK, and the administration here, as well as other people in OWS know it. You are slime DK. Please stay away from me
BTW - What has the forum admin lied to you about? Hhmmm OH Rabid One?
As I have said to other poisonous personalities ( so you don't feel "left" out ) - Eat Shit And Bark At The Moon - Ya Rabid Whiny Disruptive Divisive Piece Of Shit.
I've seen your poisin pen comments about me to others when I was Odin (1st time), and Tenacity, so let's not get self-righteous here DK
I find most of the denigrating that you do of me amusing at best
But your going after my family in the much much more PERNICIOUS way than you just did was total LOW LIFE........TOTAL.... LOW.... LIFE !!
And it showed a complete lack of decency, and character on your part
"ALL'S FAIR"..... in your twisted mind DK......SHITTING ON MY FAMILY RELATIONSHIP....not once, but three different times that night.
Rest assured, I will never sink to your level DK
And yes, my kids did have a wonderful mother
I never went after your family. Though the more you go on and on - I am more happy that I bothered to slap you.
I will not be there. I'm poor, job, kids, florida, yada yada.
It would be really awesome if someone would point out the way inflationary policy from the FED effects the economy and the working poor. Also, I would like to see someone talk about Executive Order 12333(1981) which NDAA2012 amends. EO12333 is what our Police State is built on and also places economic policy under national security. You really should read it.
I know facts do not always make for exciting speeches and can make people spontaneously fall asleep, but these policies were set in place by Reagan and have brought the economy where it is. Of course the FED has been mentioned but not by issue, rather just flame throwing. And EO12333 has yet to make it into the collective conversation.
If this is all to boring, I understand. I'm just asking in hope. Wish I could be there.
First, I wish you a good time with your family. You may be poor in the monetary sense, but in most other ways, I think not.
The NDAA, and the police state that we live in are of a particular concern to me too. I will think about putting up a thread about those issues, and possibly Chris Hedges involvement with them from a different slant than has been done by previous posters here. i will have to bone up on it a bit more first.
No doubt though i have become a lightning rod for the partisan debate that is going on here, so first things first. I will miss you....as a cyber buddy
I really appreciate it. All of it.
Thanks, Solidarity my friend
Easy there 'derrickh' & don't be Joshing around about serious matters like 'Donkey Kong' dude ; points count for shit but 'Donkey Kong' rules !!
verb. sat. sap. ...
No one ain't dishing no Donkey Kong.
"How Big Banks Run the World - at Your Expense", by Gar Alperovtz :
So "no one" is Joshing Around about important matters then ? Cool !
fiat lux ...
Are points important? They represent a form of hierarchy. Wouldn't this forum be better without points, plus it wouldn't disorganize the comments after every page load.
No. Points are not important. You are obsessed with them because you never have any.
LOL & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-l91O9VxN0 !!!
pax, amor et lux ...
He's not the only one with endurance.
LOL x 2 + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QglEbgON9o !!
fiat pax ...
The one thing I like about giving points is the list of "best" comments of the day on the front page. It helps me easily find some of the more interesting discussions of the day without wading through pages of threads.
People go around the forum and stinkle comments from users they don't like without reading them, then twinkle the comments of users they do like.
I usually get a few points just after posting a comment. It will go to +2 or +3 for example. I never vote. Then, when the friends of the person I'm discussing with arrives, they'll work as a team and down vote all my comments and up vote all my "enemy's" comments. Note, this does not bother me in the least except for the fact that comments get displaced. I'm just telling you so that you understand that the "7" comments in the Best Section are not necessarily the best that would be chosen in normal voting circumstances. It's very far from direct democracy is what I'm saying, especially since many users have puppets they use to vote up and down - I know, I use to have bots that could down vote a person to -30 in a few seconds. I use to use it when collapsing was on so the comments would "disappear".
The best comments are the ones you think are the best, not the ones that have been manipulated to make it on the upper right side of your screen.
We don't need points because we have ideas!
Sounds to me like U R not new to this Forum. ( Bots ? ) U use them?
Trashy? R U trying to be clever?
I'm not trashy. But I met the guy in person. At an OWS party. Anyways, I wrote part of the story down there -> http://occupywallst.org/forum/hey-listen-up/#comment-821040
Honestly, I don't pay enough attention to notice how quickly points go up and down.I don't necessarily agree with the "best" comments column, but it does at least get me to recent comments without wading through a lengthy thread which has been around for days. It would be great to have another way to accomplish this. I don't like the point system per se. It's more of a site navigation issue for me.
I see. Perhaps it would be interesting if we could search the comments more efficiently. In the comments page, we can see the comments bubbling, but it could be nice to see all the latest comments of a certain user for example. It could also be nice to see which postings have new comments since the last time we opened those postings. This is done on many other forums. Highlighting those new comments would be sweet. So, you read this posting, close it and go somewhere else, then when you come back, if there are new comments they will be highlighted in light blue or something of the sort.
handy - no doubt 4 U to mark individuals that U want to mess with- Hey Poser?
I didn't think of that at all.
Imagine if you took a look at the main page where postings bubble and each posting with new comments was highlighted with a little number that said how many new comments since the last time. That would be sweet!!!
Then, when you go inside the posting, all the comments that are new are also highlighted. Again, that would be sweet!!!
It's called efficiency!
That's actually a very good idea.
Piss Off Poser.
That would be great. No points. Better navigation.
Another admitted bot user????
Go puck a rubber, tyrant!!!
You get stinked for being an ass.
You can go away now, you have no useful ideas anyway.
I just used bots for a little while. We actually got them at an Occupy party in NYC. This programmer made them and gave them to a few people. For a few nights we joked around on this forum while drinking beers with the programmers. It was a lot of fun. We just attacked the people we felt were not part of OWS. The posers. Then I went back home. I think one or two guys kept using their bots. Not sure. I still remember jart going after the macho guys she called "manarchists". Man, that was funny!
By using a bot, you have already admitted to being a liar and a tyrant.
So why should anyone believe a single thing you say?
Begone, as punishment for what you have done.
You sound like you're a judge in the realm of Dungeons and Dragons.
Begone! In hast, begone you vile mindless Borg!
All I really know, is that you said you used a bot.
Sock puppets too?
And you blame it on OWS itself?
I was being polite. Sorry.
How about get the fuck out of here, you tyrannical, lying asshole!!!
Do you fell better now?
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I didn't blame it on OWS. I said we had fun at an OWS party one night where one of the programmers had a debug tool that was basically a tool to automate stuff on the forum so they could test it when they built it. A couple of guys realized they could use this tool to upvote and downvote almost at will. We were drinking beers and attacking conspiracy theorists and other nutjobs that posted anti-jew rants. We just attacked the trash that was on the forum. It was actually useful for the programmers. It helped them test a bunch of stuff. It was just a couple of nights dude. No biggy!
Sounds like the same bullshit excuse threshy likes to use.
So it was just a drunken frenzy for you?
No biggie? Like if you say so, it makes it so?
Like threshy, you are your own conspiracy theory.
You should ban yourself based on that alone.
You like to play others as stupid? You think that's not tyranny?
You want to blame your behavior on OWS?
I don't buy it. You're lying.
There is absolutely no need to run a bot to affect forum moderation.
None whatsoever.
It's the same lie propagated by threshy.
I've even mentioned that to jart months ago to no avail. The abuse of it wasn't near as bad back then, though.
I agree with you. I also agree with the organizing issue with chasing the original comment. Mostly the latter.
You know, there are many websites that have small thumbs up and thumbs down icons that keep track of up and down votes without rearranging the whole thread. Personally, if a programmer insisted on having the option on their site, I think it would be a better arrangement. I definitely like the idea of having new comments highlighted that he mentions.
The votes are ok. Not as important to me. For the highlighting, any visual aid is always welcome, it's just good design to do so.
Yes. My only complaint actually is that it rearranges the comments on here. It took a minute to get used to and it's not a real big deal, but it is sometimes mildly aggravating. I think it would be much cleaner as well.
Thanks ZenDog. That was a good thing you did and I admire your fairness in the way you handled it.
Free Odin!
Thanks, I thinks I may be free.
"Free the unfree" & well done you !!
pax et lux ...
thanks shadzy
Cool, be good & remember 'honey catches flies, whereas vinegar repels' ;-)
verb. sat. sap. ...
I will be respectful to those who deserve respect, whether they agree with me or not, but as you know by now there is another dynamic in play here. So i have no problem 'dishing it' when I need to
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The simplistic R-Convention needs simplistic rebuke: Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican Monday, 10 October 2011 16:23
Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.
All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.
Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican’s would still be sitting in the dark)
He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.
He turns on a radio talk show, the host’s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, “We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have”.
REPUBLISHED: Originally published by TvNewsLIES.org July, 2004. Written by John Gray Cincinnati, Ohio - jgray7@cinci.rr.com - Published July - 2004
WOW...that was a surprise.
That was very courageous of you.
Now Zen can you use this thread to work on getting me my pseudonym back. ;-)
Thanks, Good Night Solidarity Madinusa/Odin
Why not just use something like Odin with a number attached...like...Odin1, Odin2, Odin35, Odin1977....
No I won't do that. My pseudonym should be given back to me for the recognition of how much I have given to, and care about the success of this movement....PERIOD.....or not at all
Well said. You're one of the few real ones left here. The ones constantly stinkling you are traitors of Occupy.
Thanks, but there are many good people here.
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No, I'm real....err as real as a pseudonym can be
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Thanks, i owe you. He is just someone who is right about somethings, and wrong about other things, like most of us here,
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Agreed, and humbly I admit, it is always something that I am working at.
Welcome back big guy....
Thanks kid. I kind of miss Madinusa now. He was a wild one, eh?
haha
To clarify, Madinusa is Odin. I support his stance on this issue. That's all.
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check the searches from a remote sort for this forum
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a computer at a public library
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to make sure the rest of the world can see your posts
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Hahahahahah, makes me wonder.
But your video convinced me otherwise.
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Click your heels together three times, and say, "There's no place like home, there's no place like home, etc.".
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I am sure.
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That's not surprising at all to me. I will have to admit that in a funky sort of way, I would miss him if he were banned, as I have enjoyed answering the immature stupidity that he spews, and the way he presents himself as the savior of the 99% is hilarious. Jersey sucks in a lot of ways, but it does prepare you for his kind. Good Night
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Hey dog... Your question's wrong... Here's a bone... You should ask if DKAtoday can stop banning Odin, he's the moderator, not all of us... Peace out..."
DKA should not have a badge, WTF!!
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"Should ban," ???!!! WTF you crazy fascist!!!
I never had a problem with him - except for his picking fights with supporters of OWS and Occupy who were working on political actions. If he can leave them alone I see no reason why he can't stay. He keeps harping about partisan politics - If he can deal with the fact that this forum is OK with Direct Democracy and with working inside and outside of the system - then again "I" don't have any problems. If he can work to support protests and leave others alone I see no reason why the mods would give him the boot. Though CorpoRATist's/RINOS and any stubbornly blind Republican are fair game for anyone to go after in my opinion.
That's My Opinion - What do the rest of you think?
We need to include as many like minded people here as possible. I don't have a clue why Odin was banned. Instead of banning people we need to band together. We should stick to the main purpose of Occupy. Regaining our lost economic and political equality. Personal politics should be left outside. Can you remember a single Occupy sign on the street that ever mentioned party affiliation? But here we are reminded in every post.
We are supposed to be united against all political and economic corruption no matter where it occurs. If we drift into political factions, we will become even more impotent. We already drift into too many peripheral subjects that waste everyone's time. Who needs to send trolls against this forum to disrupt our focus? We're doing a great job by ourselves.
If we really want to win this war against oppression, we need to get serious, because as you can see by the NDAA, patriot act, airport searches, internet communications, they mean business. So far this forum does not mean business, it's just been a chat room for the last 6 months.
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How do points control anyone? The only points that matter are the ones you make with clear and logical arguments based on factual information. Thrassy or electron or whoever is minus 500. And he is read just as much as anyone. It hasn't quieted his voice.
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Do it DK. Free Odin. Enough is enough.
Odin was railing against the incessant Obama shilling on this forum. As have many of us. At no time did he advocate inaction, or not voting, or opting out. It was about the Obama shills. Why you got a hard-on for him is beyond me. He's right. Apparently, you forgot this part of the forum rules:
"We do not support an election campaign for 2012. At all. We have removed election material for Obama, Paul, Warren, Paul, Cain, Paul, Perry, Paul, the green party, Paul, Nader, Paul, and did I mention Paul? The spamming by the Ron Lawl 2012 fan club was getting out of hand. We will continue to remove such material and any call for the Paul 2012 campaign will, at this point, be considered spamming. End of. We're tired of hearing about it."
OWS in general may support direct democracy, but this is a FORUM rule, not an OWS rule. The forum isn't supposed to be the place for it. You have to agree that the Obama shit is every bit as bad now as the Ron Paul shit was last year. There's little doubt about that. Why the mods are allowing Obama now is perplexing. For some inexplicable reason, you decided to side with the very people violating that rule.
I prefer to see obummer remain in office if it means keeping mittins and ayn out. That may be all there is to the position of the forum and the mods.
Obama will be president again, of that I'm fairly convinced. And I'd be willing to bet the farm jart and the crew could give a rat's ass who gets elected in November. The way I look at it is this, DK. Just about everyone on this board has probably already decided who they are going to vote for. All the shilling in the world isn't going to change anyone's mind at this point. We want to talk about plans, issues, ideas, etc. To keep droning on and on that "we have to vote for Obama to keep Romney out" is fucking pointless! The reason the hacks keep hammering is because they have nothing else to offer. They have no grand plans, no insight, no new ideas, that's why you never see them contribute to the non-political threads. They have nothing to offer except "get out the vote" and "elect progressives." I don't understand why you can't see the difference between "talking about politics" and "shilling for Obama." There's a big difference.
I'd vote for Obama if he called a cease fire of US military aggression
If he did that I probably would also.
I don't think the activity of the party preachers has the end goal of shilling for a party. Their goal is simply to keep personal issues in the way of normal social adherence.
Big unorganized groups tend to naturally file into smaller groups. Under a common theme, the process is usually non-confrontational as the only divisions are small in comparison to the overarching theme. There was a lot of this happening when the forum first went live and got big. Then we watched as the three same entities on here now, then began distorting this normal social process.
A good example of the power of this normal process can still be seen among the ground protesters. After a few videos of cops in the crowds went on youtube, it became obvious that distorting that process on the ground would be next to impossible, and the ground protests have shown the results of this normal process ever since.
Interesting take, Richard. I'll have to digest that for a minute.
In this regard I think you have a major blind spot. The corpoRATist/RINO shills trolls quislings whatever you want to call them need to be confronted. Until their crap is removed as it appears by the forum mods. I have gone on record with the hardass democratic supporters to leave others doing other support activities alone. As I have gone on record to supporters doing other actions ( the hardasses there ) to leave those working on political actions alone. As there are good political actions that can be taken and should be supported.
What do you think Direct Democracy is - if it is not getting involved with the political process?
What blind spot? I make a distinction between talking about politics and shilling for Obama. You seem to gloss over it. Why? And how is shilling for Obama "participating in Direct Democracy?" I think you need to revisit the definition of Direct democracy my friend, 'cause shilling ain't part of it.
Um the only character I have seen shilling for Obama and doing it very rabidly - was jiffysquid and he has been banned by the mods a couple of times now.
Other then that what I have seen are people talking about 3rd parties - independents, greens etc. and getting those who support the Constitution and the People into office and those who are supporting the very small wealthy and corpoRAT minority out of office.
If you can't see other activity going on besides Obama campaigning - then you are blind. No offense.
Of course I can see other things going on. Spare me. Where do you think I spend the majority of my time here? Hint: it's not the political threads. Still no distinction between shilling and talking politics? Who's blind? And jiffysquid's the only one you've seen? I have to ask again. Who's blind? Seems you forgot to mention the most rabid, hateful shill on this forum. But, fuck that. Keep thinking shilling for Obama is "progressive" or somehow participating in "direct democracy." No biggie.
Yeah - a lot of people saying don't opt-out and vote progressive - yep that is really shilling for Obama alright.
Question: Do you see an alternative to Obama in this election?
Question: Do you see the corpoRATist's/RINO's trying to coerce a mittens victory in the swing states?
Question: as the election is coming up in November don't you think it is a good idea to get people out to vote?
Question: in getting out the vote don't you think it is a good idea if people are made aware of what is going on with the two major parties?
Question: Do you see no real difference between the 2 major parties?
Question: Do you think it bad for people to share information as to what is going on in government?
Question: what do you think should be going on on this forum? Not generally - specifically.
You should already know my answers to those questions DK, we've talked enough times. You should know how I stand on November's election and my view of OWS by now. But, I'll give it to you in capsule form rather than answering each question directly. I'm 100% sure Obama will be pres again so, to me, November is moot (I know very few else are as convinced). Yes, it's important to educate people about what our politicians are doing/have done but that doesn't include spreading lies, like VQ's lame-ass list of 10 Obama accomplishments (at least eight are untrue). This forum was meant for coordinating actions and spreading OWS-related news and information, and I, and many others, believe that's what it should be doing. You know damn good and well politics wasn't supposed to be discussed here originally, regardless of the fact that it has devolved into that. Do I really have to show you the quote from jart when the Rising asked her the purpose of this forum? It was in the thread "Watch me test this thing."
Does that clear it up? Oh yeah, do I think both parties are the same? Nah:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/both-parties-are-not-the-same-thing/
Yes we have talked before - so I am wondering why you are giving me a hard time at the moment.
It wasn't intentional. I made a comment about Odin being banned and wondered why you had a problem with him. I was also curious as to why you didn't see a difference between shilling and talking politics. It just went downhill from there. I will admit that it's a bit sad to see us lining up on opposite sides of the "forum's purpose" fence. Don't take it too personally though, we both want the same thing, ultimately. My apologies if I've been too rude, I thought my comments stayed fairly civil.
I don't know as we are on opposite sides - as I believe in street protest and I believe in petitioning and I believe in taking advantage of the political process ( Democratic process ). The only problem I had with Odin was he was dead set against doing anything political and he went after people about it. I was just trying to get him to lay off with the divisiveness. I talked to him on PM's and I talked to him on the open forum when he refused to listen to reason - thinking that others would join in to tell him to calm down and do his street protest thing and leave other supporters to do their thing. And it all went very wrong. All I was trying to do was to get supporters of OWS and all Occupy movements to stop fighting with each other. I try to do that as others here try to do the same thing.
We're only on opposite sides when it comes to whether we should allow everyone to talk about anything. I'm sure we're on the same side in regards to OWS and the problems this country, and the world for that matter, are having. There has been a lot of divisiveness on here lately and that's certainly a bad thing.
So I was trying to defuse. My Bad. It Blew-up.
I think things will be better after the election - for the forum atmosphere anyway.
Why can't you let people have the freedom they deserve?. You said you stay off the political posts, why isn't that enough?. Why do you have to eliminate other peoples freedom of speech.?
No one is going after your freedoms. No one is attacking you personally.
Why can't you just treat everyone with respect.?
"VQ's lame-ass list of 10 Obama accomplishments" I don't recall this. I think perhaps you are confusing me with someone else.
I did see a list of 160 or so Pres Obama accomplishments if you want me to post it?
Why are you still trying to control peoples speech, actions.
We all agree the system is broken, the parties controlled by the 1%, corruption persists. We all agree. We don't you leave us alone.
Can't you focus on something positive like creating the new system?
If you got pre-occupied (<---oops no pun intended) with the positive work of creating the new system maybe you wouldn't be interested in attacking your fellow OWS supporters.
Whatta ya say?. Give it a try?
You post that list, or variations of it, all the time. It usually starts with "Obama ended the Iraq war." That's lie #1. It then goes on with "Obama tried to close Gitmo. Reps blocked it." Lie #2. I'll probably make a post about it. Be sure to attend.
And I don't attack fellow OWS supporters. Just you, because I don't believe you are one. I've never had a problem with anyone on this board except you. You're the most hateful, disrespectful person here. That's why I'll never support you or show you respect. You show nothing but disrespect to this board and just about everyone on it, and you have since day one. I am OWS. You are Obama. You just don't know the difference.
I have not been disrespectful to you. YOU clearly hate ME! Please refrain from personal attacks. I'm allowed to post me opinion. You do not decide what is acceptable. I am OWS because I support the 99% with my body on the streets of NYC! You are delusional if you think you are a better supporter than me buddy.
Peace, and Love
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gnomunny, You definitely do represent what OWS is all about.
is this the odin - you back?
Thank you. You are as well, which is why I was boggled when you were banned. I thought it was a mistake at first, as you know.
yes I know
lol. You are paid to instigate personal backbiting and prevent non-partisan debate of issues in order to make this forum non-functional, and you have the balls to keep playing victim. Fuck you buddy. Fuck you and your credentials. Fuck you and everyone in your office reading this on their monitors. Fuck You. You and your office is a waste of tax dollars.
Post of the day.
Not paid. Registered independent. Passionate about helping the 99%.
Please refrain from all the obscenities. His attacks, your personal attacks. simply reflect your inferiority! I have done nothing wrong! I have done nothing that deserves this abuse.
Perhaps we disagree on some substance. If so I'm not sure what. Perhaps you are confused about me. Whatever, you would do better to focus your energies into something positive like creating the new system. Rather than these horrible undeserved personal attacks against me.
Thank you
Good luck in all your good efforts.
Why not try 'well-off guy from the 'burbs picking on man who grew up in projects.' That has worked well in the past for you Vqkag. Some violin music would help though.
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Hey dog... Your question's wrong... Here's a bone... You should ask if DKAtoday can stop banning Odin, he's the moderator, not all of us... Peace out...
BTW - I always wondered if your name was based on MoonDog, the musician from NYC?
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Make sure you dont talk about Mother Hen with this guy, he goes fuckin nuts.